attention designer type people...

[LK-13]

i just bought a piece of Quilted Beautifully Figured Maple to make stocks out of.
i should get 2 out of it.
it's really beautiful wood...
it measures 24" x 9" x 2"
but I can't decide what marker to install into it and just how the profile of the stock should look...

so just thought I'd ask for suggestions;
so have at her, suggest away, suggest a marker and provide a profile sketch.
(and yes I'm already building lots of Mag based guns)
nothing fancy is needed, just a black & white out line from MSpaint will do.
kinda like this:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Wood%20Working/minioutline1.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Wood%20Working/sideb.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Wood%20Working/sidea.jpg

[roxcreek]

check out this (http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=189708) thread in the Automag Tech Forum you might like some of their designs for automags

[LK-13]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/airguns/R0011018.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/airguns/RussianStock_13.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/airguns/gallery_42.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/airguns/47730031.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/airguns/1160361286.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/airguns/2005_0216Image0020.jpg



OK get over the Mini comment,
most of the guns I'm building are Mag based anyway.
I'm looking for gun stock profile outlines,
i don't want to copy someone else's stock so the examples posted earlier
are just that examples only.
i want ideas for something unique!
has no one out there got any ideas?
imagination guys!
tune up your "WOULDN'T THAT BE COOL..." machines!

[LK-13]

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/airguns/outlinestylemsp.jpg

any good?
yes?
no?

[roxcreek]

yeah, that design is pretty cool, except it kinda looks like one of the ones in the pictures you already have.

You could do one where it looked like a sword or another one that looks like an animal.

you could do one that looked like a greek/roman building with little paintings or hieroglyphs on the side.

you could do one where the wood looks like some element (?) ex: earth could have nothing but un-rounded edges, and paint that gave the look of limestone; fire could be pointy and have the wood dyed reddish; etc

In your other designs it looks like you are mostly making single large pieces that fit around the entire gun. Why not take the standard mainbody and put smaller shrouds around that. Something that comes to mind would be a mainbody with a single block around it that shrouds the mainbody, and most of the barrel. That idea would be even cooler if you took a warp left/right mainbody and made a shroud over that. That way you wouldn't have to worry about a feedneck messing with the symmetry.

With the warp feed in mind, you could make a holder for all of those attachments. (but that would probably make the gun all heavy and awkward looking) just a thought

that's all I can come up with right now. I'll trying sketching a few more ideas because I think that carpentry can produce some really beautiful pieces of art.

[roxcreek]

oh, and just wondering, do any of those stocks in the pictures above have air through setups?

[LK-13]

oh, and just wondering, do any of those stocks in the pictures above have air through setups?

all the stocks/guns pictured above are taken from http://www.airgunartisans.com/index.htm
and they are all pellet and or BB guns.

[roxcreek]

you have done somehting like this before though right?

[211]

All the stocks pictured are cool, but would suck on a paintball gun
the problem is mask clearance
a high cheek rest is great on a real rifle but makes a marker hard to aim
a prime example of this is the longbow stock, looks good, plays bad

[Toll]

I am doing the same thing and to my shame I am using an Ion. Pound for pound they are absurdly modular.

The cheek rest is infact one of the more problematic things that you're going to run into. I modeled mine originally off of a m14 and the problem was the same every time : Gun stocks do not translate well.

A dogleg wire stock or something from Noxx55 is probably your best bet when thinking about stocks

I did a complete turn about and went from trying to get a realistic looking m14 to making some ridiculous space gun because the base problem was that it did not feel at all comfortable to me

[roxcreek]

yeah, the dogleg is one of the few stocks that is mass made that was specifically designed for full mask clearance. Everything else doesn't make any sense with a mask on.

[Toll]

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/aaronlecain/sale2041.jpg


Something like this also allows for mask clearance. If you are going to try to keep with a traditional look it generally speaking won't be very functional.

[roxcreek]

dang, that's a really cool tube feed you have ontop. If that is what it is

[Toll]

Its a duckslide, but it's not mine.

I think it's a duckslide anyway

[TakenOutTheTrash]

Its a duckslide, but it's not mine.

I think it's a duckslide anyway

The feed tube is a part that Noxx custom made off drawings suppled by Aaronlecain over on MCB.

Here's the thread: http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/noxx55-customs/59340-aaronlecain-s-milling-project.html

I'm a fan of the 5th one on post #3; I could see that stock design with a polished P68SC. I would also use the front of the stock as the pump handle.

Thanks,
David

[LK-13]

you have done somehting like this before though right?

yes i have, mostly guitar bodies.

[LK-13]

All the stocks pictured are cool, but would suck on a paintball gun
the problem is mask clearance
a high cheek rest is great on a real rifle but makes a marker hard to aim
a prime example of this is the longbow stock, looks good, plays bad

shoulder the stock, keep your head close to vertical, use instinct or "third-eye" shooting.
don't know what these are? talk to a US Army Ranger. or read the handbook.

[LK-13]

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/aaronlecain/sale2041.jpg


Something like this also allows for mask clearance. If you are going to try to keep with a traditional look it generally speaking won't be very functional.

in most of the world they have a term for that kind of thinking.

SHORT SIGHTED.

"The Earth is the Center of the Universe"
"The Sun Goes Around the Earth."
"If Man were Meant to Fly, He would have Wings."
"There is not Enough Fissionable Material in the Universe to Harness the Power of the Atom."
"The World will Never have Need of any More than 5 Computers"
"64K should be enough for anyone."
"The Gardner brother's patented my Paintball invention and now all I have left is this stupid T-Shirt;
and I had to buy license from them to ware it!!!"

ever tried using a Sheridan KP? or Palmer Hurricane?

but don't believe me...

back in the spring of 2003 i told people how i played big Scenario Events in the USA with a ZEUS pistol only...

people thought i was nutz!

then after this event i was at in October 2003, Battle for Berlin, in Kingdom City MO.
where I was able to appear and disappear instantly,
a really big guy called "Tac" Shooting a tricked out Mag with the frame that angles forward, (Y or Z frame not sure which) and pewter Skull grip panels,
was the most dangerous guy on the Russian side,
I was on the German side, so once my mission was complete I made it my business to get him out or at least cause him nothing but grief.

later "TAC" had this to say about me
"No matter where I went, there was LK standing up front with the F-ing pistol like Clint F-ing Eastwood!"

point is, people were short sighted about how to play as a Pistoleer.
but it is more than effective.

People than have seen the stocks I have under construction at this point,
have held them, shouldered them up with a mask on,
and guess what, I Have Cash Offers On The Table!!

thing is guys, I will not be coping these stocks, i will not be making any one thing that is 100% in the World of Real Steel Firearms;
nor 100% in the "Speed Ball - Space Gun" World of Paintball.

you will see, you will like.
if your lucky, you might even get a chance to buy one as I will not be making large numbers.
and almost all will be Mag based, some will be PneuMags.
one or 2 might even be electronically triggered... (oh, almost forgot. several will be double barreled. because it's cool and because I CAN!)
(if I can get someone to uh... take care of the Gardeners!)

[LK-13]

Its a duckslide, but it's not mine.

I think it's a duckslide anyway

actually it's a spring feed, but yes, made by NOXX55.

[roxcreek]

in most of the world they have a term for that kind of thinking.

SHORT SIGHTED.

"The Earth is the Center of the Universe"
"The Sun Goes Around the Earth."
"If Man were Meant to Fly, He would have Wings."
"There is not Enough Fissionable Material in the Universe to Harness the Power of the Atom."
"The World will Never have Need of any More than 5 Computers"
"64K should be enough for anyone."
"The Gardner brother's patented my Paintball invention and now all I have left is this stupid T-Shirt;
and I had to buy license from them to ware it!!!"

ever tried using a Sheridan KP? or Palmer Hurricane?

but don't believe me...

back in the spring of 2003 i told people how i played big Scenario Events in the USA with a ZEUS pistol only...

people thought i was nutz!

then after this event i was at in October 2003, Battle for Berlin, in Kingdom City MO.
where I was able to appear and disappear instantly,
a really big guy called "Tac" Shooting a tricked out Mag with the frame that angles forward, (Y or Z frame not sure which) and pewter Skull grip panels,
was the most dangerous guy on the Russian side,
I was on the German side, so once my mission was complete I made it my business to get him out or at least cause him nothing but grief.

later "TAC" had this to say about me
"No matter where I went, there was LK standing up front with the F-ing pistol like Clint F-ing Eastwood!"

point is, people were short sighted about how to play as a Pistoleer.
but it is more than effective.

People than have seen the stocks I have under construction at this point,
have held them, shouldered them up with a mask on,
and guess what, I Have Cash Offers On The Table!!

(if I can get someone to uh... take care of the Gardeners!)

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.

-to my understanding you're saying that making a stock with mask clearance is "short sighted" ???

-I think I also interpreted that you play a very fast paced role as a pistolier. Which I respect. However, I don't understand what that story really had to do with anything on this thread, except maybe the loader.

[warbeak2099]

I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.

-to my understanding you're saying that making a stock with mask clearance is "short sighted" ???

-I think I also interpreted that you play a very fast paced role as a pistolier. Which I respect. However, I don't understand what that story really had to do with anything on this thread, except maybe the loader.

He's saying you can play quite comfortably with a traditional type rifle stock. He happens to be right.

[roxcreek]

yeah, anyone can play with any kind of stock that they want to play with. Just speaking for myself: I don't even look over the gun when I'm playing woodsball. With about three shots I can find a mark just by watching the other ones in the air. That's just preference though. I can see the argument behind the issue of the facemask getting in the way. Military and airsoft stocks can be much higher because they do not require the facemasks. Also, it is much more comforable to be able to rest your cheek on the stock (which you cannot do with a paintball mask) and it further exposes your head when you're wearing the mask

[Warwitch]

Most of the stocks you posted above would be cool as hell if you just scooped out the cheek weld area for mask clearance.

Edit: Im particularly fond of this one. Much lighter than the others. You could even bolt a picatinny rail to it and run a foregrip.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/airguns/1160361286.jpg

[Toll]

I don't know what mask you're using/etc but I found it profoundly annoying to have my mask shifted around on the particular stock I was using. Events + m14 stock in this case.

I've shot a few markers with stocks on them and a ton of tippmanns with the stock attatchments. Maybe I'm doing something wrong but mask clearance was an issue with all but the dog legs. Either way if you're comfortable with it then you're good to go.

[LK-13]

you know;
no matter what you say at this point,
it all changes once you hold the real marker/gun in your hands and take her out for a test run.

till then it's all speculation, reading tea leaves, and opinions with out any reference or experience.

if you have never held and shot one of my markers/guns you can't say anything that is correct or informed about them.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Wood%20Gun%20Stocks/April2008CustomMagBody_22.jpg

photoshop of a Mag Unibody "Tac" Driver
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Wood%20Gun%20Stocks/SilhouetteFlatOval-microm.jpg

[warbeak2099]

yeah, anyone can play with any kind of stock that they want to play with. Just speaking for myself: I don't even look over the gun when I'm playing woodsball. With about three shots I can find a mark just by watching the other ones in the air. That's just preference though. I can see the argument behind the issue of the facemask getting in the way. Military and airsoft stocks can be much higher because they do not require the facemasks. Also, it is much more comforable to be able to rest your cheek on the stock (which you cannot do with a paintball mask) and it further exposes your head when you're wearing the mask

I don't know about you, but I've never played Airsoft without a paintball mask/goggle system. Anything else is just being stupid. Especially when serious Airsoft guns can shoot in excess of 300fps. Shop goggles don't cut it. And I never had a problem aiming with the mask/goggles on. I think maybe you are incorrectly generalizing your personal preference as a universal rule.

[jrod]

I've never had a problem using a traditional stock. No problems with my old KP2, and no problems with my old A5 w/ M16 style stock. It was very comfortable and was quite intuitive when shouldered.

I can't wait to see what LK comes up with. I have wanted to build a rifle mag for a long time.

[LK-13]

you will also note I'm also not taking Pre-Orders on items or products that are not complete or products that do not even exist.

there was a PneuMag frame that people ordered and paid for in good faith.
the people responsible for providing the frame to the customers to complete the sale contract missed a number of delivery dates (set by them) and did not treat the customers very well.

when I sell any of my projects the gun will exist, it will be in hand, and personally I would like
to meet the customer face to face at a Paintball field or event when ever possible;
so that any issues, questions, or difficulties can be addressed at once.
I will sell you a fully functioning marker/gun; I will show you how to disassemble and reassemble said gun, I will provide video footage of this process if I'm not able to do this for you in person.
and if we do meet in person we will take a video of you shooting said gun.

my guns will pretty much all be one off types with similarities to it's kin, but each will be different. this individual treatment will be necessary, and it's just the way i want to do things.

[LK-13]

just found a website where I can get ahold of the most beautiful Turkish Walnut I have ever seen in my life!!!

and it's only $1500.00+ USD!!

anybody want to show up on the field with something this beautiful?
(to be honest, I think I'm not comfortable with taking on a piece of wod of this kind of value at this time)

Luxus ® Turkish Walnut Gunstock Blanks Circassian Blank By Luxus Walnut (http://www.luxusgunstock.com/)
i didn't even know that Walnut even grew in Turky!
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Wood%20Gun%20Stocks/WOWWOOD.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Wood%20Gun%20Stocks/1-1738web_1000x439.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Wood%20Gun%20Stocks/1-1721web_1100x565.jpg

[TakenOutTheTrash]

just found a website where I can get ahold of the most beautiful Turkish Walnut I have ever seen in my life!!!

and it's only $1500.00+ USD!!

anybody want to show up on the field with something this beautiful?
(to be honest, I think I'm not comfortable with taking on a piece of wod of this kind of value at this time)



I would be afraid to do anything to that expensive of a blank.
Might it be cheaper just to fly to Turkey and cut down an walnut tree yourself? They are the fourth largest outputer (I made it a word now) of Walnut in the world.

David

[roxcreek]

I don't know about you, but I've never played Airsoft without a paintball mask/goggle system. Anything else is just being stupid. Especially when serious Airsoft guns can shoot in excess of 300fps. Shop goggles don't cut it. And I never had a problem aiming with the mask/goggles on. I think maybe you are incorrectly generalizing your personal preference as a universal rule.


yeah, you kinda mis-interpreted what I said. Completely my fault though. When I said the military and airsoft guns don't need a faceMASK, I meant that you can use eye goggles similar to those used for snow boarding. These goggles don't have the cheek protection that can get in the way for some people.

Yeah, so sorry for the confusion.