where were headed?

[busby]

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/28568/

[drg]

You are best off taking what Glenn Beck says, and doing, thinking or believing the exact opposite. Or just ignoring it.

[busby]

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/19/the-obamacare-horror-story-you-won%E2%80%99t-hear/

[BigEvil]

Scary stuff when its all laid out like that.


"Labor" "Social Justice" "The Green Movement"



How about;

"Liberty" "Individual responsibility" and "God"?

[Lohman446]

What was so wrong with - get a service / product and PAY for it out of your pocket.

As more and more people are "given" health care benefits from their employers health care costs continue to rise. How many raises have you not gotten because your insurance benefits have gone up in cost? I bet more than once. The point is the more removed and the more it is a "given" the more "abused" the system is and the less accountable providers are for the charges they leavy.

Its gotten worse and worse with private health care - as the insurers and administrators get richer and richer. Both in the insurance company and the hospitals. "Doctors should cost money" - ok, but what about the administration costs and the administrators making far more than the practicing doctors?

And somehow we think its going to get better by pushing the costs for all of us onto the top 10%? Come on, its just going to be less accountable to the actual people who pay for it, and more abused. Want proof, walk into an ER and see how many people there on government aid should be in the ER (paying ER rates) or waiting for an appointment monday morning to see the family doctor. The only difference - government pays in the ER (or noone does, forcing the costs on those that do).

I also suggest one research what role class played in the Roman civil wars. People - you get paid what you are worth, you pay what you buy is worth. Things work. Start depending on the government and other entities to get you more for less and you are starting down a slippery slope.

[teufelhunden]

http://www.wptv.com/content/health/story/Boca-woman-sues-denture-cream/WrdyNoIl9UmNXeSekY_Mmg.cspx obama voter

[Ando]

ROFL...I love Beck :D

[Mechanic79]

How about;

"Liberty" "Individual responsibility"?

the way it SHOULD be.

[busby]

if there is a potential threat the fda should have stepped up to the plate and made them label it. 3 to 4 tubes a week,be cheaper to get them fixed

[teufelhunden]

if there is a potential threat the fda should have stepped up to the plate and made them label it. 3 to 4 tubes a week,be cheaper to get them fixed

3-4 tubes a week is directly contrary to the instructions... i'm pretty sure the pharmas are not liable for gross misuse of their products.

[busby]

i agree

[blake20]

An email and from another forum that I go too. It makes you wonder what the heck the people who are passing this thing are thinking!!

Question from the state media, "How can Congress pass a bill without
even reading it?"

How can Obama push a bill and tell us how great things will be, when he
himself says he does not know what specifics are in the bill
<http://www.heritage.org/2009/07/21/morning-bell-obama-admits-hes-not-familiar-with-house-bill/> ?



Inside the Healthcare Bill

Following the mad recommendations of Peter Singer
<http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com...care-step-one-
killing-off.html> made in NYT's Sunday magazine, it pays to take a look
at what is actually in the healthcare bill.
It's worse than you can possibly imagine. Somehow, it manages to be
Singer on steroids. Who wrote this bill? It has Singer's footprints all
over it.


Pg 22 of the Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS
that self insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you receive.

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED.

Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your
Health care Benefits for you. You have no choice in the decision.

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - Healthcare will be provided to ALL non US
citizens, illegal or otherwise.

Pg 58 - Govt will have real-time access to individual finances & a
National ID Healthcard will be issued.

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your bank
accounts for direct funds transfers.
THIS MEANS IF YOUR BILL IS $1000 AND YOU DON'T PAY IT BY A CERTAIN DATE, THE GOV'T WILL GO INTO YOUR BANK ACCOUNT, WITHOUT TELLING YOU, AND TAKE THE FUNDS TO SATISFY THE BILL.

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their
families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating a Healthcare Exchange to bring private
healthcare plans under Govt control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private
Healthcare plans in the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics for Benefit Levels of Plans = The
Government rations Healthcare based on cost benefits to government.

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic appropriation
services or translation services for illegal aliens.

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups like ACORN &
Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt Healthcare plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. AARP
members Health care WILL be rationed.

PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be
automatically enrolled in Medicaid.

pg 124 lines 24-25 No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No
"judicial review" allowed against Govt monopoly

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ AMA - The Govt will dictate what
wage Doctors are allowed to make. (Wage limits).

Pg 145 Line 15-17 All Employers MUST enroll their employees into the
public option plan. THEY HAVE NO CHOICE, and neither do the employees.

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay premiums for every employee, part
time employees AND their families as well.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with a payroll of $400,000 will have an
8% tax levied on all payroll.

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Employers with payroll between $251,000 & 400,000 who
does not provide in full, the public option, will have a 6% tax on all
payroll levied.

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC
coverage according to Govt mandate, will be taxed at 2.5% of their
income for healthcare. So, you will have government healthcare
coverage, or you will be punished.

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual
taxes. (Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Administration (GOVT) will
have total and complete access to ALL your personal financial, bank and
investment information.

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be
treated as tax" Yes, it says that.

Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician services for
Medicaid, Seniors, low income, and poor.

Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Wages for all doctors will be made the same.
Specialists like Brain Surgeons will make the same money a General
Practitioner makes.

PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Doctor's time. Govt. decides value
of humans.

PG 265 Sec 1131 Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC
industries.

PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven
wheelchairs

PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer
patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals for what Govt deems
preventable re-admissions.

Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors that treat a patient during initial admission
will be penalized.

Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government dictates what Doctors can make and how much they can own in a hospital/medical clinic.

Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt mandates
hospitals cannot expand without government approval.

pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input and approval is required. Can you say ACORN?!!

Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates establishment of outcome based measures. Rationing

Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance
Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into the Govt plan.

Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs persons
for care.

Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory
Committee.

PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consultation.
Euthanasia and Doctor-Assisted Suicide. Mandatory Classes to teach you how to die!

Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills,
and assume power of attorney of all enrollees. Mandatory!

PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides approved list of end of
life resources, guiding you in death decisions to end your life.

PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program to mandatory end of life
programs. The Govt will mandate how your life ends.

Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "advance care planning consultant" will be used
frequently as a patient's health deteriorates

PG 429 Lines 10-12 "advance care consultation" may include an ORDER to
initiate end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV to terminate a life.

Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an
end of life order.

PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will
have at end of life

Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello,
ACORN Medical Services here!!?

Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which
means government will now be involved in marriage and family decisions.

Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining,
creating, rationing those services

[maniacmechanic]

An email and from another forum that I go too. It makes you wonder what the heck the people who are passing this thing are thinking!!

Question from the state media, "How can Congress pass a bill without
even reading it?"

How can Obama push a bill and tell us how great things will be, when he
himself says he does not know what specifics are in the bill
<http://www.heritage.org/2009/07/21/morning-bell-obama-admits-hes-not-familiar-with-house-bill/> ?




The people that are writing this bill DON'T GIVE A RAT'S BUTT about us . THEY will ALLWAYS get the best of healthcare ( THAT WE PAY FOR ) while we get the cheapest

has anyone wrote or called thier elected represenitive ( LIKE THEY WILL LISTEN TO US :eek: )

[Mechanic79]

The people that are writing this bill DON'T GIVE A RAT'S BUTT about us . THEY will ALLWAYS get the best of healthcare ( THAT WE PAY FOR ) while we get the cheapest

has anyone wrote or called thier elected represenitive ( LIKE THEY WILL LISTEN TO US :eek: )


You got that right! We have tax payers, we have govt that redistributes wealth of the tax payers, we have non-tax payers. Tax-payer-working-class are the new age slayves. the "poor" non-tax paying peeps houses I've been in have nicer cars and TV's than I do.

[xX TANK Xx]

Gah! After reading the info in Blake20's post I'm starting to feel sick. I guess I'd better go to the hospital now before they change things..... :rofl:

That's some scary stuff in there. :wow:

[Steelrat]

It's pretty damn bad, but the republicans were just as stupid when they championed that godawful drug benefit plan. Is there no end to the political stupidity? This is why I favor having a president from a party OTHER than the one that controls the congress, that way they just butt heads. When you have the president and the congress in political alignment, the money just flies out the door.

[Lohman446]

It's pretty damn bad, but the republicans were just as stupid when they championed that godawful drug benefit plan. Is there no end to the political stupidity? This is why I favor having a president from a party OTHER than the one that controls the congress, that way they just butt heads. When you have the president and the congress in political alignment, the money just flies out the door.

Thats true - the proper answer to the worry that government cannot accomplish anything when deadlocked is GOOD

[blacklegionfreak]

1womanthinktank.com

this is my moms blog, i agree with her.
it might be interesting for some of you

BLF

[teufelhunden]

1womanthinktank.com

this is my moms blog, i agree with her.
it might be interesting for some of you

BLF


only if she's hot.

pics?

[blacklegionfreak]

haha

as will give her your compliments
no pics though

[blacklegionfreak]

http://1womanthinktank.ning.com/profiles/blogs/americans-in-the-matrix

this is one of my favorites

[busby]

1womanthinktank.com

this is my moms blog, i agree with her.
it might be interesting for some of you

BLF
did your mom write this?if so she gets it.http://1womanthinktank.ning.com/profiles/blogs/withdrawing-the-benefit-of

[blacklegionfreak]

yes my mom did write this
:headbang:
thank you she will be glad to know that there are other sane americans out there

[busby]

what a joke .http://www.breitbart.tv/house-judiciary-chair-what-good-is-reading-the-health-care-bill-if-its-a-thousand-pages/

[blacklegionfreak]

its more than a joke gentlemen, it is the beggining of the end.

[drg]

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/19/the-obamacare-horror-story-you-won%E2%80%99t-hear/

There are few people less worthy of minding than Glenn Beck, but congratulations, you've found one of them in Michelle Malkin. One of the worst humans alive today.

[Lohman446]

There are few people less worthy of minding than Glenn Beck, but congratulations, you've found one of them in Michelle Malkin. One of the worst humans alive today.

Good substantive disagreement....

/Oh wait, I think you gave up that tact already

[Coralis]

If we want true health care reform make the congress use the same system we have to use instead of that evil socialized medicine that they have now.

[bornl33t]

There are few people less worthy of minding than Glenn Beck, but congratulations, you've found one of them in Michelle Malkin. One of the worst humans alive today.

Well I guess Micheal moore would be one, obama another, Pelosy... etc.... and YOU..


Libs don't like talk radio....because there's enough truth in there to educate and that's a problem.....

[Hexis]

So read the actual bill, not some talking points:

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

I checked a few of those "facts" on that list and so far I can't find much or any truth in any of the few I checked.

Sure the thing is over 1000 pages. But huge text and double spaced. It's not a lot to read per page. At minimum double check some of the talking points (on either side of the issue). I'm not sure the whole thing is good, bad or ugly but please don't parrot other people's thoughts without at least critically examining them.

[busby]

listen to this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs

[blake20]

So read the actual bill, not some talking points:

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

I checked a few of those "facts" on that list and so far I can't find much or any truth in any of the few I checked.

Sure the thing is over 1000 pages. But huge text and double spaced. It's not a lot to read per page. At minimum double check some of the talking points (on either side of the issue). I'm not sure the whole thing is good, bad or ugly but please don't parrot other people's thoughts without at least critically examining them.


Ok if you check there are some of the points that are taken "out of context" but I give you Clinton News Network Liberal Media for you, and what "they" say. It was taken off the main page in about an hour since it doesn't go along with the Liberal talk today!!

http://finance.yahoo.com/insurance/article/107408/5-freedoms-you-would-lose-in-health-care-reform.html;_ylt=Aqu8WkbSnz6F91ugIuiZOcOCfNdF?mod= insurance-health

[Coralis]

Well no matter what side you of the aisle you are on health care reform .... the current system just can't continue the way it is now for too much longer as its getting prohibitively expensive , even with good insurance getting an extended illness is one the fastest ways to the poor house.

[maxama10]

Well I guess Micheal moore would be one, obama another, Pelosy... etc.... and YOU..


Libs don't like talk radio....because there's enough truth in there to educate and that's a problem.....
I actually think it is because liberals like to feel and talk radio is about thinking, you can't feel warm and happy when you listen to radio.

That's just my opinion though, ymmv.

[busby]

It is no coincidence that both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama cut their political teeth through a Saul Alinsky mentorship. Hillary Clinton credits Alinsky as her political mentor and Barack Obama practiced his community organizing (not really a career) in a Chicago system drenched in Alinsky principles. These two socialists do not want to pass healthcare because they care about your health. No, they want to pass it because it gives the government even more power and the individual less power. It is their ideology that desires to make American citizens reliant on a grand central government. It suits them perfectly to see Americans mutate from free citizens into dependent subjects of the state.
here is more about it http://www.freshconservative.com/Fresh_Conservative/Fresh_Conservative/Entries/2009/7/29_Overload_Socialist_Welfare_System_and_Capitalis m_Will_Fall.html

[Coralis]

If you dont think the government doesnt have its hand in health care and that we dont already have socialized medicine here let me sell you some prime mountain range land here in florida. As far power about your health care its only because the government makes hospitals and large insurances treat you somewhat fairly now.

[busby]

paul ryan on msnbc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdr49iGZOUw&feature=channel_page