new tippmann gun, some interesting featues [Archive]

Chronobreak

10-14-2009, 10:15 PM

BiNumber3

10-14-2009, 10:27 PM

hmm, their newest and most advanced aye? the valve/bolt/reg combo reminds of something, I just can't put my finger on it...

trevorjk

10-14-2009, 10:36 PM

hmm, their newest and most advanced aye? the valve/bolt/reg combo reminds of something, I just can't put my finger on it...

The TPX haha am i right? :p :p

Beemer

10-14-2009, 10:37 PM

Wow mech AND e-mode, thats new. Must have.

kwood

10-14-2009, 10:39 PM

its pretty much an emag!!!

BiNumber3

10-14-2009, 10:46 PM

hmm, so if the batteries die, can it run in mech mode as an e-mag does? or does that selector switch require batteries to function?

wonder how air enters the valve tho

Wrathbringer

10-14-2009, 10:54 PM

NOOOOOO the video is gone! :cry:

Anyone care to summarize what was on it? This definitely piqued my interest...

Frizzle Fry

10-14-2009, 11:02 PM

It has indeed disapeared... Possibly an issue with the H&K style fire selector?

Either way from what I can see from the first frame of the video it's a cool automa... Tippman :rolleyes:

BenoitOWN

10-14-2009, 11:29 PM

Humm I wonder how that thing went on internet. I would have liked to see the video.

I think it was deleted cause it shoud not have been on the net.

BiNumber3

10-14-2009, 11:29 PM

I meant whether or not the selector switch will allow you to shoot even without any batteries at all, from the looks of it the switch might be battery dependant, which could mean you won't be able to switch to mech mode, I can't tell from the vid and didnt notice any mention of it really other than there is a mech mode.

As for what was on the vid: imagine a tippmann X7 or something, with an automag valve inside, and an e-mag frame:)
and he's just showing the features of the gun through a 3d program

trevorjk

10-15-2009, 02:23 AM

basically the video shows tippmanns new gun which is coming out. it only shows it in 3D renderings though. think of the TPX Pistol how the design is almost identical to the Automag valve. now take the TPX and make a full on version of it, and you have Tippmanns new marker. which is essentially identical to a Automag valve

Abizdafuzz

10-15-2009, 07:39 AM

There was a team at the SPPL Finals a few weeks ago that Tippmann gave them a few of the proto's to use and test. They seemed pretty cool from what we saw and used of them. Easy velocity adjustments with any moderate sized allen key, fire mode selector switch is like the X7 but it has 3 positions...the first is a mechanical safety, the middle mode is semi only and that is a mechanical semi, and the third position is an electric mode that is set on the board but has the option of being full auto or semi or bust or ramp and so on. The gun is shorter than the A5 and X7 and seems to be a bit lighter too. Still has the cyclone feed and the valve and bolt system come out the back once you remove the pins and grip frame like the others. It does have a air through grip frame system too.

tasker89

10-15-2009, 08:10 AM

The base of this design was not developed in-house by Tippmann...and it does draw directly from the Mag family tree. (even before Tippmann got it)

PrimoRocker

10-15-2009, 08:49 AM

Why is Tippmann making a gun like this, and not AGD anymore?

Lohman446

10-15-2009, 08:53 AM

Tippman as part of KEE (IIRC) has better lawyers than SP. Since SP can't threaten them into submission, and has absolutely no desire to see precident set against them, they leave them alone.

I'm interested in this to play with - anyone else?

PvtDBJackson

10-15-2009, 08:58 AM

Tippman as part of KEE (IIRC)

Tippmann is not part of KEE. BT is though.

Lohman446

10-15-2009, 09:08 AM

I thought Tippman was bought out some time ago and BT was the offshoot not affiliated with :) But, I've been wrong in memory before too so not too surprising.

insixdays777

10-15-2009, 09:14 AM

Is this thing going to be blind??

Spazmok

10-15-2009, 11:03 AM

Is this thing going to be blind??

i would assume so. you can see the cyclone house in the diagram, and that system doesn't need eyes.

Frizzle Fry

10-15-2009, 04:46 PM

I thought Tippman was bought out some time ago and BT was the offshoot not affiliated with :) But, I've been wrong in memory before too so not too surprising.

Correct.

BT was "Ben Tippmann" playing around with the valve design in different bodies... Now it's "Battle Tested", I'm sure due to some sort of issue with the name "Tippmann" though it might have been changed to avoid an issue rather than the result of one.

*edit:
I think KEE has the rights to BT... Or at least they're BTs distributer.

Riddler236

10-15-2009, 10:00 PM

I honestly haven't been keeping up on industry moves as much as I should have, so I can't say when BT may have been acquired by KEE, but with Simon designing BT markers on Invert Mini platforms, I'd have to say they're definitely owned by KEE today.

manike

10-16-2009, 01:15 AM

BT is a part of KEE. Tippmann (Sports) is not.

Lohman446

10-16-2009, 08:49 AM

BT is a part of KEE. Tippmann (Sports) is not.

Thanks, you would know. My bad.

wico90

10-16-2009, 01:58 PM

so i may need one of these, i wonder if tippmann will ever come out with something tactical but not as bulky even if this is smaller

Frizzle Fry

10-16-2009, 02:08 PM

BT is a part of KEE. Tippmann (Sports) is not.

Which is weird, IMO, since KEE has exclusize distribution for BT, and is also the main Tiberius Distributer, but has nothing to do with Tippmann. It seems like KEE distributes everything that's made in the Tippmann "industrial complex" down in Fort Wayne except Tippmann markers themselves... Hell, even back when Action Markers was around I believe NPS was their distributer (for those who don't know, NPS + PMI = KEE and it happened about two years back).

*P.S. I'm a moron for not saying it more clearly, AM was located in Fort Wayne in the same place.

chafnerjr

10-17-2009, 07:16 AM

its pretty much an emag!!!
Take that back :cry:

Lohman446

10-17-2009, 07:30 AM

I want one... anyone have any idea what the price point is going to be? I am guessing Tippman, sub $400?

OPBN

10-17-2009, 12:10 PM

Tried posting something about it on the Tippmann site and it was almost immediately taken down and I was asked nicely not to repost anything about it. As usual, it will be the LAST place to find info on a new Tippmann product.

Enos Shenk

10-17-2009, 03:30 PM

Dont look at me OPBN, I was told to keep quiet until the announcement. Whoever saw this on youtube, dont tell me it was on Tippmann's official youtube channel, that would be a bit amusing if they accidently leaked it themselves...

Chronobreak

10-19-2009, 11:00 AM

wico90

10-19-2009, 05:11 PM

OFFICIAL launch is Wed the 21st.......

Gas mask

10-19-2009, 07:10 PM

Oh wow, a tippmann that I actually want to shoot. This thing looks cool, however they kept the blender on the side. :tard:

LK-13

10-19-2009, 09:04 PM

Riddler236

10-19-2009, 09:29 PM

hmmmm......

and with the recent posts Mr.Kaye has been making...
makes for some very interesting conjecture...
I wonder if the old guard just might be combining forces
to force progress in the sport.

Would be neat, but I doubt it. Especially considering that Tippmann Sports isn't Tippmann-owned anymore, anyways. What was it, a big pharmaceutical company that bought them? I forget.

Taking that year or two away from the sport has addled the old memory banks.

trevorjk

10-19-2009, 09:35 PM

i believe it was the Summit Group

Frizzle Fry

10-19-2009, 11:47 PM

Would be neat, but I doubt it. Especially considering that Tippmann Sports isn't Tippmann-owned anymore, anyways. What was it, a big pharmaceutical company that bought them? I forget.

Taking that year or two away from the sport has addled the old memory banks.

I was under the impression that Dennis Tippmann was still involved, just not the majority shareholded.

SCpoloRicker

10-19-2009, 11:53 PM

Chronobreak

10-20-2009, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Enos Shenk
Dont look at me OPBN, I was told to keep quiet until the announcement. Whoever saw this on youtube, dont tell me it was on Tippmann's official youtube channel, that would be a bit amusing if they accidently leaked it themselves...

You know, I work for internet marketing; so I'm really getting a kick out of a lot of these replies...

/a meme, for the easily baited :)

haha i guess that diddnt come out right. i was saying hi to enos, i used to talk to him on irc and dont see him around much.

I diddnt get any info from him, the youtube video was under one of the tippmann guys channels, it wasnt under the offical one, but it wasnt exactly hidden either..lol

once you put something up online its fair game and you cant be under the assumption no one will ever see it.

i also hear rumors of tippmann perhaps adopting .43 caliber...but at this point thats just a rumor. i believe they have said they are not doing anything .50 at this time

Beemer

10-21-2009, 02:47 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/kartakeeper/Untitled-1.jpg

--sorry the video was removed here is a screenshot of the diagram

heres a brief description

Dennis tippmann shows off the new x7 phenom(sounds like a processor doesnt it)

the new tippmann x7 base gun has some nice features like a spool valve with a spring return blow forward bolt, a regulator adjuster in the back

mechanical, and semi mode of operation

what does everyone think.

This is the vid that was leaked early.

Aww hell they left out Hyper mode. :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TrXIPNKCbM&feature=player_embedded

insixdays777

10-21-2009, 04:13 PM

Ok OK...what is the real deal with this. Tom had to have helped out???

Look at the valve in this picture....its an automag.

http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n359/Robinsucks/tippmannphenom.jpg

Enos Shenk

10-21-2009, 05:31 PM

Mmm tinker porn. Thanks Tippmann for including a nice cutaway for us machinist geeks to stare at.

Look at the valve in this picture....its an automag.

Actually it looks more like an Invert type of operation, balanced spool valve/blow forward. Its pretty much the same system as the TPX uses from what I can tell spraining my eyes at that image, just a rearrangement of the parts.

Doobie

10-23-2009, 10:29 AM

Ok OK...what is the real deal with this. Tom had to have helped out???

My sources say he only saw this a few days ago.

MagsRgreat

10-23-2009, 02:39 PM

Ok OK...what is the real deal with this. Tom had to have helped out???

Look at the valve in this picture....its an automag.

http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n359/Robinsucks/tippmannphenom.jpg

Actually the only similarities the Phenom valve system has with a Auto-Mag is that the FlexValve is also blow forward - spring return system with a regulator mounted at the rear of the valve.

I’ll try to explain the differences.

In a Mag the bolt is under constant pressure & held back by a sear. When trigger is pulled the on/off pin gets pushed up which cuts the supply air off from the regulator & the sear is dropped letting the bolt fly forward under pressure releasing the contents of the valve chamber pushing the ball out the barrel. The main spring returns the bolt re-engaging the sear, and the valve recharges when the trigger is released.

In the FlexValve, when the trigger is pulled the firing pin is moved up by the trigger, dumping a very small amount of air from behind the internal spool, (which has equal pressure on both sides) it then shifts back to dump the contents of the valve chamber into the powertube which pushes the bolt forward & fires the ball out the barrel. The main spring returns the bolt & the valve recharges when the trigger is released.

This makes the FlexValve very efficient & consistent since the same amount of air is fired every time. Plus there’s no powertube spacer/spring or o-rings to fuss with.

I hope this makes sense.

Frizzle Fry

10-23-2009, 02:51 PM

My sources say he only saw this a few days ago.

I'd still like to see what he has to say in regards to this "innovation"... Should we expect that soon?

P.S.

MagsRgreat, what about the similarities to the Emag operating system? I'm thinking about the mechanicals, hall effect sensor, etc. Also, seeing as 1987/1988 (the date can be argued) makes the Panther (early Automag) the first blowforward and Tom Kaye the inventor of the blowforward marker, I'd say that's fairly significant...

Do you in any way work for Tippmann Pneumatics or an affiliated company?

MagsRgreat

10-23-2009, 03:29 PM

I'd still like to see what he has to say in regards to this "innovation"... Should we expect that soon?

P.S.

MagsRgreat, what about the similarities to the Emag operating system? I'm thinking about the mechanicals, hall effect sensor, etc. Also, seeing as 1987/1988 (the date can be argued) makes the Panther (early Automag) the first blowforward and Tom Kaye the inventor of the blowforward marker, I'd say that's fairly significant...

Do you in any way work for Tippmann Pneumatics or an affiliated company?

I'm not sure if the Emag has a different firing sequence from the STD Mag. AGD did have those features & was the first to do so. Nobody will deny that. I due know that the Tippmann version of those features are far less complex than AGD's.

No I don't work for Tippmann, whish I did though.

SCpoloRicker

10-23-2009, 03:37 PM

Do you in any way work for Tippmann Pneumatics or an affiliated company?

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3540/internetdetective.jpg

Frizzle Fry

10-23-2009, 04:03 PM

I'm not sure if the Emag has a different firing sequence from the STD Mag. AGD did have those features & was the first to do so. Nobody will deny that. I due know that the Tippmann version of those features are far less complex than AGD's.

No I don't work for Tippmann, whish I did though.

I agree... I wasn't saying that Tippmann owed Tom anything (other than thanks for help with their early semis) just looking at other mechanical markers like the Badger (1989) and blowforward electros like the mini (2006) and this seems to be a lot closer.

I need to dissassemble one and play with the fire selector ASAP. :D

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3540/internetdetective.jpg

I actually wondered that because he's a good technical writer and seemed to have good deal of knowledge of the product. Couple that with being a 2 post member, both in this thread, and I had to wonder. I actually wanted to ask a few questions about the fire selector, too, but I have a feeling I'll have to go to Tippmann directly for details.

P.S. Ever since that Luxxe girl who turned out to be a copyrighted photo from elsewhere and a male SP worker, it doesn't hurt to ask...

MagsRgreat

10-23-2009, 04:17 PM

I actually wondered that because he's a good technical writer and seemed to have good deal of knowledge of the product. Couple that with being a 2 post member, both in this thread, and I had to wonder. I actually wanted to ask a few questions about the fire selector, too, but I have a feeling I'll have to go to Tippmann directly for details.

P.S. Ever since that Luxxe girl who turned out to be a copyrighted photo from elsewhere and a male SP worker, it doesn't hurt to ask...

Thanks for the props! I did own a paintball for many years. I did sell Tippmanns, Mags & Cockers. I got out in 03 just before spoolies took off big. I still play often & had access to a Phenom last weekend. It was very cool to shoot & take apart. I understand how the selector switch & the H.E. trigger works to.

WickedKlown2

10-23-2009, 05:18 PM

The new Tippmann x7 Phenom is here...

I'm pretty sure everybody here has heard the announcement and probably have seen the Videos... Well here's some great pics of the actual marker as tested by the Hellions...

The X7 Phenom next to a stock X7
http://www.hellions.net/images/x7phenom/x7phenom03.jpg

The external velocity adjustment wheel
http://www.hellions.net/images/x7phenom/x7phenom05.jpg

The exploded view of the X7 Phenom.
http://www.hellions.net/images/x7phenom/x7phenom17.jpg

If you would like to see the reviews and pictures by the Hellions here's the link : http://www.hellions.net/Warzone/showthread.php?p=15838#post15838 and Hellions.net x7 Phenom press release (http://www.hellions.net/index-x7phenom)

All I can say is that this is an outstanding marker and a great addition to the Tippmann line-up of markers...

I'm so glad that we can finally talk about this new marker ,,, the silence has been killing me... Yes there are members of the Hellions that own both E-Mags (Tac One set-up),,, Mags and AKA Vikings as well for comparison...

WK2