How Many Players have a Small Air Compressor = 100PSI?? [Archive]

AGD

11-26-2009, 03:36 PM

going_home

11-26-2009, 03:47 PM

I have a portable compressor, a pancake jobsite type compressor like a trim carpenter would use. Not sure if that would be what you are talking about.

:)

Ando

11-26-2009, 03:55 PM

I have one

Swamp Thing

11-26-2009, 03:58 PM

I have one I use for painting it will get 100PSI

Swamp

zondo

11-26-2009, 04:29 PM

I could buy one...

motorpsycho

11-26-2009, 04:30 PM

i have one but its just the pump to fill up portable cylinders

Wrathbringer

11-26-2009, 04:32 PM

I think this should be a poll :D

I have access to two, but neither of them are convenient to get to.

ArmyEngineer

11-26-2009, 04:34 PM

Got one!

Bigwooly1013

11-26-2009, 04:36 PM

If that is the kind you run air tools on I have one

zondo

11-26-2009, 04:38 PM

All,
This would eliminate the first two stages and obviously save a ton of money.

Any idea on the percentage this would cut costs?

ArmyEngineer

11-26-2009, 05:04 PM

Any idea on the percentage this would cut costs?

Here is amanual booster you can run off of a 100psi compressor, you need 500psi input though. http://shop.vendio.com/supplyndemand/item/719154135/?s=1220783660 It's about $350. Probably not as nice or efficient as what TK will produce.

Pullman

11-26-2009, 05:04 PM

You can buy a compressor for around $100. If I could fill my bottles at home for another $100 or so, I would totally pony up. It would be a great excuse to buy a compressor. :D

Shirow

11-26-2009, 05:06 PM

I do not own one.

BigEvil

11-26-2009, 05:14 PM

I have one also. Mine goes up to 220 psi. Would 220 be more helpful than just 100 psi?

ezcreation

11-26-2009, 05:15 PM

It would be interesting to post the costs Tom:
Price of a full system vs price of a partial system.

On my side I dont own anything and would probably find it easier to buy a ready-set item.

GRimm

11-26-2009, 05:21 PM

I have a shop compressor in my garage, I believe mine goes up to 120 psi.

Smoothice

11-26-2009, 05:45 PM

I have a small air compressor (finish carpentry type) at my in-laws. If it saved me around $100 off the price of a full build version I would use it. If the savings is much less then that then I would rather have a full system...

tribalman

11-26-2009, 05:57 PM

If that is the kind you run air tools on I have one
i have this type too. but i'd work my butt off to get the proper items.

BenoitOWN

11-26-2009, 06:18 PM

The compressor we have at home is loud.

mt84

11-26-2009, 06:29 PM

Got one in the shop for tools.... ;)

om3n

11-26-2009, 07:08 PM

I have one that goes up to 120 psi.

flyingpootang

11-26-2009, 07:10 PM

I have a 50 gallon and a 5 gallon that will do 120....

XM15

11-26-2009, 07:12 PM

I have nice 35 gal stand up 150 psi one for running my air tools and my sandblast cabinet.

paintball72

11-26-2009, 07:19 PM

got one

FutureMagOwner

11-26-2009, 07:38 PM

I have the ability to get access to one, but not everyday anytime of the day. Possibly make two different versions? The biggest thing would be the price difference between the two, if you could buy the one stage and a compressor for cheaper than the 3 stage then theres not gunna be too much of a market for the 3 stage (except for people who don't have the space for a compressor or noise constraints.

EDIT: Removed unrelated question.

PaintballEngineer

11-26-2009, 07:40 PM

I'll see you, and raise 50. 150 psi here! :D :dance: lol

PaintballEngineer

11-26-2009, 07:43 PM

I think this should be a poll :D

Agreed, start a poll! Make it easier on your self Tom :)

fishmishin

11-26-2009, 07:48 PM

I have 3 compressors here at home.

My question is, do you need the 100psi for for a supply, or to drive the mini pump ?

Looper

11-26-2009, 07:48 PM

I have a shop compressor, but I could probably afford the complete unit just to keep it in one package.

Questions:
Will the addition of a shop compressor extend the life of the Mini-HPA-Compressor?

What duty cycles are we looking at, would we need to run the shop compressor 100% or the time?

What would be the optimal size storage tank on the shop compressor to reduce duty cycles.

BTW, awesome work and thanks for just being around.

Stayhuge

11-26-2009, 08:29 PM

I think that there are a few issues to work out. By using two separate units, it might be less wear and tear. If Tom can focus on just the final stage, the unit might fill faster and work better. I think that most people are in agreement that if they have a compressor, this is better for them, and if they don't, then as long as the cost of a basic compressor AND the mini pump that Tom is making is about the same as getting an all in one package, they would buy it.

Personally, I think that having something that works off of a shop compressor is better. Now I have an excuse to by air tools :dance: :dance:

maniacmechanic

11-26-2009, 08:33 PM

Got one

luke

11-26-2009, 08:42 PM

Yes, got one. :)

Ratzo

11-26-2009, 08:45 PM

Currently saving for a shop compressor.

zondo

11-26-2009, 08:49 PM

Personally, I think that having something that works off of a shop compressor is better. Now I have an excuse to by air tools :dance: :dance:

Yes, now I can put up trim in my house then fill my paintball tank!

MANN

11-26-2009, 08:50 PM

I thing just about every guy would own one. Why would you not own one is the question?

Chrishew09

11-26-2009, 09:09 PM

yup got one too

AT&T

11-26-2009, 09:40 PM

you mean some people don't have one?

thegrayghost

11-26-2009, 10:02 PM

i have one....i think that filling air tanks with HPA is getting harder to find outlets to fill them.....here in Northern Ohio we have had paintball shops close up, thus getting harder to fill.....yes i would buy what you are making....

russc

11-26-2009, 10:05 PM

Honestly I don't think AO is the best demographic to test this sort of thing. I think it would be great if you made a separate model that catered to those blessed with compressors, but I think such a model would generally miss the teenager/youth market.

TeaQue

11-26-2009, 10:08 PM

150psi here, very interested :)

greezypete

11-26-2009, 10:24 PM

Yes , I have one.

Spider-TW

11-26-2009, 10:34 PM

I don't have a real shop compressor. Nothing I would trust to run overnight.

AGD

11-26-2009, 10:52 PM

It would definitely knock 100 bucks off the price and I am absolutely considering several models.

Very basic = feed it with shop air, single stage, no timer or shut off but will be designed not to fill over 3k or 4.5k. The higher your input pressure the faster it fills but still at least over night.

Basic three stage= Plug, play and come back tomorrow. It does everything in one package.

Deluxe three stage = fill to 3k or 45.k. Auto shut off at pressure, filters for air and water, pressure gauges for monitoring etc.

I REALLY want to make one that is reasonable enough that you just have to have it. In a perfect world the lowest one would be less than 200 bucks but I am not sure of that yet so DON'T hold me to it.

AGD

PS we are talking quiet enough you could sleep with it in your bed.

Sneaky Sir

11-26-2009, 11:01 PM

Are we talking quiet as in I can run it in my apartment without waking the neighbors or pretty noisy?

But if its noisy, I do have a couple of compressors sitting at the farm so its no big deal if its not apartment friendly :)

madcrisis

11-26-2009, 11:04 PM

im a teen/youth market and i have a compressor

WickedKlown2

11-26-2009, 11:17 PM

I have a old (Dayton) Speedaire model 2Z050 compressor (I believe it 's about 37 years old) that has a output of 125psi... It's still chugging along after all those years...

WK2

trevorjk

11-26-2009, 11:25 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/trevorjk/automagsorg.jpg

a small what Tom... a small what? :spit_take :p :ninja:

WickedKlown2

11-26-2009, 11:28 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v254/trevorjk/automagsorg.jpg

a small what Tom... a small what? :spit_take :p :ninja:

trevorjk,,,

That is my small compressor :D ...

WK2

Ratt

11-26-2009, 11:51 PM

I have a little 1 gallon, 100psi compressor. But I would rather have the full-up, 3-stage model (as long as it didn't cost $300...)

oldironmudder

11-27-2009, 12:31 AM

I have a 11gallon that goes up to 110-120 psi plus a 20gallon tank I need to hook up.

sunshaker

11-27-2009, 12:42 AM

I do not have a compressor, though it might be useful to own one, but really hard to use because I live in an apartment building (far too noisy). So while the reduction in cost would be nice the noise of a compressor is not worth it, I'd just have to buy one of the three stage ones.

Duck Hunt

11-27-2009, 12:47 AM

I like this idea, and I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to own one if I had the money, but,

With many fields offering ALL DAY air, I would see a reason not to buy this. My home field, with a season pass, gives me air for free. A lot of people I play with have several tanks that they air up and the end of the day.

This item might be great for the winters if you don't live near an indoor field or if your local field closes, OR if you run outlaw ball mostly.

Now if it could fill in a lot less time, THAT would be better.

Just trying to help, love ya Tom!

Sean "Duck Hunt"

Buck

11-27-2009, 01:00 AM

I have one!

I can't wait until this is available! I can play paintball again!

CatoRockwell

11-27-2009, 01:42 AM

Just so AGD knows about all us who don't have one. I don't :(
But I just bought my first home, and finally have a garage :) so I may be getting on soon. Especially if I"ll need it for this device.

gunangel

11-27-2009, 02:34 AM

i don't have one, and at least for my area not a good idea to run to high pressures as there is a bit of condensation in the air and it builds up inside even with a decent water filter. couldn't imagine what would happen with it pressurized to 4500. i know my friends 200 psi is rusty inside becuase of this.

fishmishin

11-27-2009, 07:08 AM

Definitely interested either way, and I work in a store were I can easily fill my tanks. To be able to fill them at home though would be awesome, for one I wouldn't have to worry about taking my tanks to work with me, and two if I get a random hair to start tinkering because I can't sleep I don't have to worry about whether or not I have air. Also being able to fill 5 tanks for me and the kids before Sunday morning would be nice, since I normally have enough to do to set everything up for everyone to play.

This rocks Tom, and I am really happy to see your progress coming along so fast. I can't wait to see a working prototype !!

Ando

11-27-2009, 09:02 AM

Hey Tom.

Probably best to offer 2 version. A basic which you would need your own air source and the deluxe. I would def throw down $400-600 for a deluxe one. If it's a little more, then I probably still consider it.

MeÐiCX

11-27-2009, 09:13 AM

Have one but surely do not want to have that noisy beast running all night.

punkncat

11-27-2009, 10:02 AM

I also have a small compressor for use here at the house.

kwood

11-27-2009, 10:53 AM

i dont have a compressor but i might check out craigslist for one
im in a small little appartment with my wife, so the quiet factor you mentioned would be perfect for my needs

temps

11-27-2009, 11:15 AM

i've been looking for a reason to get one does that count? :p

What about an air pump for car tires? Would that work? Might be more common then a shop compressor.

teufelhunden

11-27-2009, 11:45 AM

i've been looking for a reason to get one does that count? :p

What about an air pump for car tires? Would that work? Might be more common then a shop compressor.

thats what i have... a tire pump

DevilMan

11-27-2009, 01:27 PM

All,

I now have the prototype mini-compressor working and on the first run it hit 4500 psi :)

Don't ask me how long it takes to fill a tank because I have not hooked one up yet. I am just filling a small fitting with a gauge on it.

Now that I can evaluate the system, some other things are coming to mind. It MAY be possible to make a single stage mini-pump that you feed with a typical shop 100 psi compressor. This would eliminate the first two stages and obviously save a ton of money.

The trick is you need to have a shop compressor so my question is, how many of you have one??

Thanks,

AGD

I have a couple of them. So I would really LOVE to be able to use it if it means reduced cost/smaller package. I only have the smaller ones, BUT depending on what time it takes you could get a small auto type one for a few dollars to use as long as you don't need it running too long to burn it up. That again is on the end user to work with it properly.

WOOT!!! Sounds great TK!!!

DM

Eddie9195

11-27-2009, 02:17 PM

I have one as well.

JKR

11-28-2009, 09:55 AM

I don't have a shop compressor so I would be in the market for the deluxe three stage that you mention - I want air and moisture filtration.

Thanks for the great work on this and keep us posted! I think this will be a huge success.

Spazmok

11-28-2009, 11:32 AM

I also have a shop compressor. then again, I do have access to a 4500 psi nuvair compressor at work :cool:

rawbutter

11-28-2009, 03:57 PM

You can buy a compressor for around $100. If I could fill my bottles at home for another $100 or so, I would totally pony up. It would be a great excuse to buy a compressor. :D

Ditto

SPY 1

11-28-2009, 04:22 PM

I have one and this idea would be nais because a full rig is too expensive here

JaNordy

11-28-2009, 04:55 PM

I do not have one

SSP REAPER

11-28-2009, 06:03 PM

I have a shop compressor :D

semiauto

11-28-2009, 08:27 PM

I have an air compressor and would be interested in one of these.

Just curious, would it be able to fill a scuba tank? I'm assuming it would be able to as far as pressure, just wondering if it would be able to run that long continuous and if you had a guess how long it would take?
thanks

xero28

11-29-2009, 01:05 AM

I don't have one, but I suppose I could get one. Now the question is, what kind do I need? I really don't know too much about the differences between air compressors. I mean, doing a quick google shopping search, I found one for $65 and one for $1,100. Now, would the one for $65 do the trick, or am I just going to burn through it and need another one after a month? If I need to purchase a $400+ compressor, then yeah, I'd go with the all in one package from Tom. Though, I should probably have a decent compressor anyway, so....

Watcher

11-29-2009, 03:23 AM

I've got one that will do an easy 120. Use it to fill tires, run some air tools on occasion, and other various light jobs...

It's old, though.

Daze

11-29-2009, 11:59 PM

I have a shop compressor.

ElPanda

11-30-2009, 08:28 AM

I would preferr an outright pump that I can just buy and use

Abizdafuzz

11-30-2009, 08:37 AM

I have one as well.

Flatliner333

11-30-2009, 10:37 AM

Have one.

Hexis

11-30-2009, 11:38 AM

Multiple, portable and not-so-portable.

Jacobd

11-30-2009, 03:25 PM

I have one I think it goes to about 160PSI, you should definitely make a poll for this.

Lohman446

11-30-2009, 03:46 PM

As others have stated:

If it still takes overnight to fill most home compressors (and most shops) make substantial noise. I think the only tolerable ones would be screw style compressors (I think) and I doubt anyone is going to put out the money for one of those.

ElPanda

11-30-2009, 03:51 PM

it would be much more convienient if every person could use the product regardless if they have a compressor or not.

Id be tickled if the option existed to use both the pump straight up or to alternatively use another compressor as a booster, have both options. That way both sides are happy.

it would seem like a hassle purchasing two kind of expensive items, in stead of a moderately expensive single item.

and tom how are you handling the moisture problem? I assume you are building it with a moisture trap? That is the biggest problem I encountered on my 3600 psi manual pump, I could go for about 30 minutes and get up at around 3000 but if I looked down the line I could see water droplets everywhere.

PAINTHEY

11-30-2009, 04:39 PM

Have one. Already have a filter and reg so I don’t need it built into a booster. :)

mostpeople

11-30-2009, 04:57 PM

Just make and market both versions...

REDRT

12-01-2009, 06:04 AM

Mine cuts off at 150psi 80 gallon stand up.

hitech

12-01-2009, 12:39 PM

Considering the usefulness of one, and the low cost these days I would think everyone would have one. How else do you air up the tires in your car (the gas stations around never never have working air)?

I think the idea of using this as the first stage is a great idea.

vmaxnick

12-01-2009, 06:31 PM

I have a mobile air solution already! It's a US Military Davy compressor. It produces 15cfm it's even portable (Behind a large SUV) and fits neatly into that little spot in the garage where the truck used to live!
It is a bind to fit into your kit bag though! :p

kenjay

12-01-2009, 08:20 PM

I have one as well. But as several others have said, not too quiet. This may not turn me away though depending on final fill times, etc.

JKR

12-01-2009, 09:43 PM

I really can't see too many people willing to walk away from their shop compressors and leave it running for 24 hours or more. Besides the noise, the wear and tear and possible overheating issues might be a problem. I guess it depends somewhat on the amount of air required and how often the compressor would run to keep the tank filled.

Now a compact plug in unit that takes about the same amount of time and is quiet - easier sell especially for the younger crowd that have parents that might not like hearing a big beastly compressor running overnight.

AGD

12-01-2009, 10:04 PM

guys,

Thanks for the replies.

To quell everyone's fears. If you have a 30 gallon shop compressor tank, I figure the compressor will kick on three times in 24 hours if you go from 100 -80 psi before it starts back up. The cubic feet of air required to fill a 68 tank is small compared to the output of your shop compressor. A 68ci tank at 4500 psi holds about 12 cubic feet. If your typical shop compressor puts out 8 cubic feet a minute, it will have to run only a few minutes total over 24 hours to keep up.

The benefit of shop air is tripple the fill speed vs no air. This for the hundred dollar investment in a shop compressor is just unbeatable value. A friend of mine is making shop compressors out of brand new refrigerator compressors that are silent AND cheap. I will see how he is coming on those as a possible package deal.

I will be doing two models for sure. The first model will take shop air input OR NOT if you don't want too. It will just take several times longer to fill the tank if you don't feed it shop air. What I would do is turn on my noisy compressor, let it fill and then turn it off. I could come back many hours later and turn it on again etc.

The prototype is filling a tank right now. I will have an update soon.

AGD

Ratt

12-01-2009, 10:06 PM

AWESOME!!! :headbang:

paintball72

12-01-2009, 10:18 PM

Woot

ajnin

12-01-2009, 11:10 PM

This is pretty awesome, I am sure many would be willing to pick up a used shop compressor from their local flee market just to give it a try. I know it would save me a bit of money in filling scubas...

ElPanda

12-01-2009, 11:24 PM

your my hero TK

greensplash

12-01-2009, 11:47 PM

awesome news :clap:

Jacobd

12-03-2009, 03:44 PM

This is so freaking awesome all hail Tom Kaye :hail:

Madmarx

12-03-2009, 03:49 PM

2 here

Stayhuge

12-03-2009, 04:02 PM

Awesome. Can you do us a favor and make sure that there are plenty made for everyone that is interested? I would be willing to put down a deposit once the prototype is good to go and they are ready for production. However you want to do it. :hail: :hail:

TeaQue

12-05-2009, 12:13 PM

This is awesome! Can't wait :D

CatoRockwell

12-05-2009, 09:13 PM

Costco has a 125 psi double tank shop compressor for $149 don't remember exactly how many gallons but it seemed pretty big. Will this work? If so I'm putting it on my christmas list.

the123

12-08-2009, 11:33 PM

This is getting good. A must-have for a lot of people. I have a compressor and a quick check on Craigslist in my area found 20+ compressors for sale. Check out garage sales and moving sales too.

laxpro69

06-15-2012, 11:26 AM

What ever happened to this?

cougar20th

06-15-2012, 11:37 AM

http://www.shoeboxcompressor.com/

AGD

06-15-2012, 11:47 AM

Xmagterror

06-15-2012, 12:15 PM

Its a great product...I love mine. Yes its kinda slow but it works great. I fill a firefighters tank and then use that to fill my paintball tank. Wish these would have been on the market 10 years ago because i could have really used it. better yet i wish i would of thought of it!!! LOL

hitech

06-15-2012, 12:21 PM

Really? I am surprised, I thought they were selling well. I don't need one currently, but if my playing situation was the same as ten years ago I certainly would have one.

Glad to hear that they are selling well. I guess if its not bling you can't sell it to paintballers.

Dayspring

06-15-2012, 02:04 PM

We're looking at buying a house next year, and one of the first big garage purchases will be one of these puppies.

luke

06-15-2012, 02:45 PM

going_home

06-15-2012, 02:47 PM

You haven't heard anything because PB players will not buy them because they have decided they are too slow. Meanwhile we ship them all over the world and the air rifle, military and laboratory people love us.

TK

People do seem to lack patience.
I didnt get one yet, I wanted to make sure all the bugs are worked out.
I dont want something I have to work on, I'm not mechanically inclined at all.
And its not a front burner must have item at least not for me, because the fields I play at have air. (read, 500 buys a lot of paint)
But I will end up with one sooner or later.

;)

OPBN

06-15-2012, 05:31 PM

Pretty much what Luke and GH said. I want one and truthfully, it makes sense since I have to drive nearly and hour both ways to get air fills for tinkering, but it just isnt in the budget. Easier spending $30 a shot on gas each time tthan squeezing $500 past the wife.

Patron God of Pirates

06-15-2012, 06:26 PM

I'm in the same boat as most. 10 years ago when my friends and I were all playing rec/outlaw it would have been awesome to have. As it is now, if I want to play I need to go to a field, and they all have all day air.

For some reason I feel like I would be more inclined to buy it if it came with a couple of Scubas.

AGD

06-15-2012, 09:59 PM

Flatliner333

06-15-2012, 11:06 PM

Who
Remembers the Genesis... :D

Frizzle Fry

06-15-2012, 11:28 PM

Sure everything everyone is saying makes sense. Recession doesn't help either.

We are coming out with a new model probably in July that fills twice as fast and can top off a 68/4500 in a bit less than an hour.

TK

Is the price point going to be the same? I'm really interested but having a hard time justifying the cost to my better half. I don't care about the fill time really, but I do like the idea of a faster model for sure.

athomas

06-16-2012, 06:07 AM

I just finished a university stint to upgrade myself. It set back my paintball purchases. I was looking at getting one. I can hardly wait for the new model. I will eventually be getting one for my shop.

BTAutoMag

07-04-2012, 09:20 AM

wow, I've been doing some back paging and found... this thread.

any updates?

Drix

07-04-2012, 09:29 AM

You haven't heard anything because PB players will not buy them because they have decided they are too slow...

TK

:( When I stop bringing my 3 spare tanks to the field with me to fill with air before I go home I'll be picking up a shoebox. But sadly, until those tanks die, get stolen, or I get friends who aren't cheap slobs that I have to outfit I will be sans a shoebox.

Really isn't a bad deal for 550 (the new one) especially if your paying your local proshop to fill your tanks. You especially can justify some savings if you switch from CO2 to HPA and use this.