Magazine Fed AutoMag Designs; Opinions Wanted...

[LK-13]

Recently a person posted a thread about a Firearm that shares a kinship with my favorite SMG of all time the 9mm Sterling.

This particular design is one that could be built using an AutoMag as the core/base gun very easily and remain Magazine fed.
Using a 20 or 30rnd spring feed and or force feed warp or hopper.

If I were to start building Magazine fed AutoMags in similar or identical designs to the guns pictured below;

Would you or anyone you know be interested in any of them?
Ask anyone you know that likes or shoots AutoMags.
I want to see if people want these before I start building anything lol!
Please post your thoughts or opinions on the design ideas or PM them to me directly.
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/FIREARMS/sterlingmgc13.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/FIREARMS/lanchester1.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/FIREARMS/AP9-Pistol.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/FIREARMS/3dd878cd2265c49e0313450a889c152f--1.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/FIREARMS/tec9.jpg

[leloup]

That would be fun. A warp body would probably help.

[fierymartel]

Now I've been thinking for a while that you could mount a magazine from a RAP marker similar to that of the sterling.

[pump]

all you need to do is get that mag valve forward enough for the feedneck to clear the gripframe

then you can underfeed it with magazines....make it look like a tommy gun

[CatoRockwell]

Just my .02,

Make it something that you can upgrade to an existing marker. I like the side feed for that personally. Then all you need is a warp body.

[211]

If you can get it to mag feed First Strike rounds, there are definitely interested people

and the sterling is a cool gun

[classic68]

A magazine that can feed both regular paintballs and the first strike paintballs would be interesting. I was thinking of trying this myself. I want to pick up an old mag body and a barrel and do a little modifying. It would be a fun project.

[wico90]

make a basic body that can be put into existing metal airsoft shells so that it is more marketable and not just a specific marker.

[maniacmechanic]

LK , have you thought about adapting a existing Rap4 magazine , I know they build magazine fed stuff

[LK-13]

all you need to do is get that mag valve forward enough for the feedneck to clear the gripframe

then you can underfeed it with magazines....make it look like a tommy gun
it's easier to move the trigger group, particularly if going Pneumag. hint...hint... :D

[LK-13]

If you can get it to mag feed First Strike rounds, there are definitely interested people

and the sterling is a cool gun

that shouldn't be a big issue.
i see the FSR feeding reasonably easily.

[LK-13]

make a basic body that can be put into existing metal airsoft shells so that it is more marketable and not just a specific marker.
can't get metal Airsoft guns here in Canada.

[LK-13]

LK , have you thought about adapting a existing Rap4 magazine , I know they build magazine fed stuff

I will not have my name associated with anything as low quality as RAP4.
I will build the Magazines the way I build everything, by hand and built to last.

[Konigballer]

I love Sterlings and earlier wooden stocked MP.18's, MP. 28's, and Lanchesters! That would be awesome!

I hate the Tec-9's you have pictured though, those are no class ghetto boy toys. :ninja:

[paintball72]

I would love a mag fed (underbarrel not side) automag. I know i could do everything except the mags that is what stumps me. I would deffinately buy if it had 20+ rounds per magazine. I'm getting excited!!! :clap: :shooting:

[LK-13]

I'm also working on a Pneumatic Magazine.
don't know if it will work or not.
but to quote MAX WEBSTER'S "Universal Juveniles"
"you never know
if you never dare
Juveniles!
Don't Stop!"

and I've managed to get blueprints for the real steel Sterling and the E-11 Blast-Tech Stormtrooper Blaster from Star Wars.
(because George Lucas made the Stormtrooper Blasters out of old WWII Sterlings)
now I'm just tinkering with the design a little to make sure everything will fit the way I want it to.
Now "Tinkering" means thought exorcise and drawings, haven't built one as yet.
not sure if i should build them out of Delrin or Aluminum/Brass...

delrin to make them lighter, and lower cost.
Aluminum is stronger and Brass is stronger still...
could even build them out of Stainless Steel.
but people will really cry about the weight then.

Which if any would you be interested in?
the AP9 and the Tec9 were added for those that like vertical Magazines.


I'm personally leaning toward the Sterling;
because it can be put into a wood stock to be the Lanchester
or have the Magazine rotated or the body shortened
to be either of the other 3 machine pistols.
After all the AP9 and the Tec9 are really close
matches to the bone stock AGD MiniMag. (very little needed there)


Sterling
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/FIREARMS/sterlingmgc13.jpg

[LK-13]

Ok,
getting things ready for building the Sterling/Stormtrooper Blaster Pneu-Mag!

it's really the core of most of the others; so it will be very easily adapted/built into most of the variants.

funny thing, the swing under folding stock is much better than any of the existing "Fold against the side so my gun is way too bulky" folding stocks currently being offered.

anyone out there think that just the Sterling style Folding Stock might be something you would like to add to your own rig?

Folded:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/FIREARMS/sterling03.jpg

Extended:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/FIREARMS/sterling_smg_07.jpg

[Konigballer]

Only problem with folding under stocks is figuring out how it will mess with your airline. Pretty much negates a grip mounted asa, which is the most popular location.

[RehKal]

Only problem with folding under stocks is figuring out how it will mess with your airline. Pretty much negates a grip mounted asa, which is the most popular location.

Would be easy on remote though.. just attach directly to the valve! ;)

[LK-13]

Only problem with folding under stocks is figuring out how it will mess with your airline. Pretty much negates a grip mounted asa, which is the most popular location.

Good point,
although no single option is good for everyone in all situations.

[Ruler_Mark]

if these shot first strike rounds.... baller.

[LK-13]

if these shot first strike rounds.... baller.
they will.

[sjrtk]

This sounds like it can be a sweet piece. I would be interested, and the sterling design with that folding stock would be cool. I'll just have to keep checking back.

[LK-13]

Should have a plastic (PVC or Delrin) version/mock up built by next week. (after Easter weekend) as a proof of concept/test bed.

PVC or Delrin will definitely keep the cost down.
would any of you loose interest if it was Delrin?

it would be much lighter too...

[Ruler_Mark]

delrin would save alot of weight, preferred imo

[Konigballer]

So LK, I have some design questions.

Would this design be a single large tube design, like the Sterling, with a sort of self contained body/rail unit made to bolt directly to mag trigger frames? Will it basically do away with the need for a rail unit?

Did you ever think of adapting the basic open bolt blowback design and feed system of the Tippmann SMG-60, except updated and modified to resemble the Sterling and take First Strikes? A design built around the bone simple bolt and valve design of say the 98 or A5(basically the same) would be very rugged and reliable. I believe the Sterling itself was a simple open bolt blowback sub-machinegun as well.

It would be super rad if it ws aluminum, but lightweight it what sells and it would be cheaper. Definately go with that.

[sjrtk]

Delrin would be ok, aluminum would be a prefered and like asked above would it be a body or more than that?

[CatoRockwell]

Prefer aluminum. The easier the conversion if i already habe a warp body the better.

[LK-13]

Delrin would be ok, aluminum would be a prefered and like asked above would it be a body or more than that?
I'm looking at several design options.
1) plastic body kit with a full AutoMag core
2) AutoMag unibody (rail & body combined)
3)AutoMag Body needing rail

[skyless]

My $.02,
If your going to make a unique body/rail, then defiently move the grip
frame back and go with a under feed quick swapable magazine.
But you would need to make a frame for easy pnuemag instalation (non cheater cause that fizzled) as well.
Or the sear arm could be used as the trigger, though I have read mixed things about that but have always wanted to test it myself.
All in all I would buy one only if it was underfeed and fed both regular balls and fs rounds.

[BiNumber3]

Why not use a classic body, cut a side feed, weld on a reciever, and barrels can be modified to twist that direction.

[zeroack]

ARGH!! I didn't want to think about this! Man this has me thinking now. Heck I'm just thinking of a ule warp body, 10-15 rnd spring fed tube inside a square box(maybe) hanging off the right side. Classic valve, pump kit, nice rail, Bolt a std agd asa on the rail and run a six pack on that. Then have the body, spring feed, forgrip and grip frame all powder coated in that black crinkle finish.

argh....

Thanks guys...thanks alot...

Zero..who is running off in search of a warp body.

[LK-13]

so would any one be interested in a Sterling-ish unibody?
all she would need is the vented fore end and the grip of your choosing...
of course I'm not posting the mag well and magazine.
the magazines look just like the real steel 9mm animals...
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=255310
so if your interested, I mean willing to cough up some cash interested
contact me and we'll talk lol!
loosekannonn@gmail.com
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=254716
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/PAINTBALL%20GEAR/Sterlingbody3.png

[LK-13]

just need to finish the trigger group, plumb the air lines and this girl is ready to shoot!
Valve in picture is just for mock up purposes.
magazine fed Automag.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Paintball%20Guns/DSCI0764.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Paintball%20Guns/DSCI0766.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Paintball%20Guns/DSCI0738-1.jpg

[El Camino]

What barrel is that and where can they be bought? Are your bodies cocker threaded?

[going_home]

Looks like it'd be fun to play with !

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