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Loguzzzzzz

04-14-2010, 04:53 PM

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I know, just another nice Emag. . . ..right? You could not be more WRONG! ! !

There is a whole story behind this project and it all started with a conversation between Smoothice and myself. . . . "what if you took a normal Emag frame and made it into a Pneumag with the battery case empty, I could put my iPod or a set of keys in it!". . . .

That is how the conversation started. All I needed was a seed to be planted (which Smoothice had done) and I was on my way. I wanted this to be a completely different pneumag though, something that I had not seen done yet.

For this pneumag I wanted the ram to be actuated up and I wanted the shuttle valve to be actuated directly from the trigger no levers or rods. I could bore you with all the details and all of the things I had to do to accomplish this but let me show you a few pictures I will say this though. The rail is relocated and shortened, and the asa was relocated to make room for the LPR. The shuttle valve is actually activated by the safety tang on the trigger and the selector switch limited the trigger travel and will also act as a safety. There is also an added bonus of having the magnetic return on the trigger from the Emag trigger. Enough talk, on to the pictures.

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Loguzzzzzz

04-14-2010, 04:54 PM

Loguzzzzzz

04-14-2010, 04:55 PM

xero28

04-14-2010, 05:01 PM

That is so beautiful. It seriously almost disappears in the first picture in the grass.

:headbang: :hail:

Smoothice

04-14-2010, 05:25 PM

what kind of valve is that? :ninja:

Yeah I already know the answer. But I bet others don't...

This thing came out better then I could have imagined.

Way to go!!!!

M.O.T.M for the win :hail:

fishmishin

04-14-2010, 05:28 PM

Is it an extremely polished X? It's the only one I can think I of designed like that.

WUNDERWAFFEN

04-14-2010, 05:29 PM

Wow that looks great!

Looks like a polished X-valve

reckid1986

04-14-2010, 05:40 PM

Man i was hoping that i was going to be the first one to get a pneumag set up similar to this. but mine may be the first intelliframe one, if i can ever get it done. wish i had the tools you do so i could make mine a reality soon, but all i have is a dremel and a steady hand lol.

very nice work as always.

DECOY

04-14-2010, 05:47 PM

Mag of the YEAR!

Smoothice

04-14-2010, 05:52 PM

Mag of the YEAR!

Yup!

Beemer

04-14-2010, 06:11 PM

what kind of valve is that? :ninja:

Yeah I already know the answer. But I bet others don't...

Ya Im an other and this guy is a tease with the info. :tard:

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Beemer

04-14-2010, 06:29 PM

I know, just another nice Emag. . . ..right? You could not be more WRONG! ! !

I could put my iPod or a set of keys in it!". . . .

I wanted this to be a completely different pneumag though, something that I had not seen done yet.

For this pneumag I wanted the ram to be actuated up and I wanted the shuttle valve to be actuated directly from the trigger no levers or rods. I could bore you with all the details and all of the things I had to do to accomplish this but let me show you a few pictures I will say this though.

Well Done. Very nice. :cheers:

Ok Grasshopper, time to elucidate and be more explicit.
You wont BORE me at all

Specs all around. Got a CAD or Works or a cross section. Lay all the parts out for a cross section for us. :spit_take Love to see it.

If you would be so kind please explain the build and operation in MORE detail.

Oh does it work. Obligabalabatory vid or shens. :argh:

You best be bringing that to TB4.

Whats with the holes in the rail above the pack? Why not plug the holes with SS polished screw plugs. What about a polished selector switch. How does that work as the Safety?

flyingpootang

04-14-2010, 06:44 PM

Sweet John, any difference in trigger pull??

LOL the 7th pics suggest your about to name it. ;)

gimp

04-14-2010, 07:55 PM

Awesome. It looks invisible in the grass.

CatoRockwell

04-14-2010, 08:25 PM

MOTM for sure, make sure you put this up for the competition.

Spider-TW

04-14-2010, 08:47 PM

But what ended up in the battery pack? :confused:

Very nice.

Smoothice

04-14-2010, 08:57 PM

But what ended up in the battery pack? :confused:

3 pack of Jimmy hats and some smokes... :rofl:

a true boyscout is always prepared!

om3n

04-14-2010, 09:33 PM

3 pack of Jimmy hats and some smokes... :rofl:

a true boyscout is always prepared!

holy cow, I can't even believe how hard core this mag is :wow:

mr.mag218

04-14-2010, 10:33 PM

its shopped, i can tell by the grassy looking grass in the background

Smoothice

04-14-2010, 10:43 PM

this pic right here seriously makes me proud to be an automag fan.

http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/Mirror04.jpg

I guess we now know what a mag made out of plexiglass would look like...

Loguzzzzzz

04-14-2010, 10:47 PM

its shopped, i can tell by the grassy looking grass in the background
If by "shopped" you mean Photoshopped you are incorrect. I took these pictures on my front lawn this afternoon and made this thread.

These pictures are 100% real and actual. no touch up what so ever!

:cheers:

ProblemKinder

04-15-2010, 02:46 AM

what kind of valve is that? :ninja:

Yeah I already know the answer. But I bet others don't...

This thing came out better then I could have imagined.

Way to go!!!!

M.O.T.M for the win :hail:

polished emag valve?

ProblemKinder

04-15-2010, 02:49 AM

its shopped, i can tell by the grassy looking grass in the background

what exactly is grassy looking grass? :tard:

BiNumber3

04-15-2010, 02:51 AM

no pretty sure it's a polished x, can sorta see the x etching in one of the pics.

n polished steel is a different color from polished aluminum, so u'd see a contrast if it were an e.

really like the way the rail was done in front. maybe some milling on the sides to go with the body some day? :)

Shirow

04-15-2010, 08:00 AM

Wow, that is amazing. I too would like to see some more details of how it works!

chafnerjr

04-15-2010, 08:08 AM

Gorgeous! I love a freshly polished mag. Nice lawn too!

Loguzzzzzz

04-15-2010, 08:43 AM

Gorgeous! I love a freshly polished mag. Nice lawn too!Thank you very much!

I have been working on this project on and off for over a year now. Your gun is what inspired me to finish it plus I loved your pictures. They were the inspiration for some of mine as you probably noticed.

Thanks to all of you for the kind words.!

It is always fun to finish a project and have it so well received by the guys here on AO. We are all the REAL Mag fanatics!

:cheers:

BigEvil

04-15-2010, 09:24 AM

Looks great. Now anno it dust black and you are all set. ;)

Temo Vryce

04-15-2010, 09:25 AM

The rail is relocated and shortened, and the asa was relocated to make room for the LPR.

Great work Loguzzzzzz. The part that still confounds me is the rail relocation. I can see from the pictures that it was moved forward about 1/2" - 3/4". Did you modify the sear as well? Or did you create new mounting points on the Valve and Body for the grip frame? I noticed the gripframe isn't using the standard Thumb screw in the back. Is that back the rail is screwed to the valve and the frame is screwed to the rail?

Wow, the questions you think of when doped up on Meds.

Again great work.

Maghog

04-15-2010, 09:29 AM

Welcome to the club of polished metal lovers!

Very pretty!
Dan@Triggernomics

chafnerjr

04-15-2010, 09:34 AM

Not having one in front of me to look at it's not an emag sear at all. Either a modified mechanical sear that either happened to match up with the rail alignment (could have caused the need for the alignment in the first place. Or it could be a totally custom sear (pivot point changed so that the lengths match with the new sear location)

I love this penu setup. Not sure about the geometry though... how well does it work? Still light enough? Once again, fantastic work... I might have to go polish mine again just because. Like maghog likes to say... "metal was made to be polished"! I love the polished X as well. I could never polish my pewter X which is the only thing holding me back.

Loguzzzzzz

04-15-2010, 09:42 AM

The rail was relocated approximately 3/4" forward and then cut to match the end of the battery pack as to not be quite as obvious. The body and valve mount using the standard holes on the rail. Yes there is a rail bushing in there too, shortened of course. I drilled and tapped new holes in the rail to move it forward. A standard RT-Pro sear was used in the stock location as well, the arm was removed. The reason for this relocation was to get the ram to hit the sear in the proper location. The body, rail and valve can be removed as a unit. The valve and body mounting screws are countersunk into the rail for a smooth surface to mount the grip frame.

The valve started life as a standard "X" valve. I stripped and polished only the exterior of the valve as to not change any of the internal tolerances. I have not shot it since it was reassembled but it was working fine when I took it apart to finish the polishing.

If you rotate the selector switch pointing to the rear it limits the trigger travel enough to act as a safety I believe. I will test this when I get the final piece, a piece of clear marcoline.

I tried to show the build in sequence of events and tried to get enough detailed photos to tell most of the story for me.

Smoothice

04-15-2010, 09:44 AM

really like the way the rail was done in front. maybe some milling on the sides to go with the body some day? :)

:ninja:

BigEvil

04-15-2010, 09:47 AM

chafnerjr

04-15-2010, 09:50 AM

The body, rail and valve can be removed as a unit.

I think this is my duh moment for the day... of course they can. This is what I get for trying to think about this stuff at work. Thanks for not making me feel too stupid!

Temo Vryce

04-15-2010, 10:12 AM

Thanks Loguzzzzzz, doped up as I am that all actually made a lot of sense. Bolting the rail directly to the body and valve will be a PITA down the road if you need to tweak something, but it's very cool none the less.

Would be too much to ask for detailed pics of the rail? Or are you considering producing these for customers?

Loguzzzzzz

04-15-2010, 11:11 AM

Since you guys asked, here are some pictures of the gun in pieces.

Slideshow (http://s520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/?action=view&current=88f90fd9.pbw&t=1271348315)

Loguzzzzzz

04-15-2010, 11:19 AM

Here are some pics since the slideshow may be hard to pause.

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<a href="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredPneuE007.jpg"><img src="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredPneuE007.jpg" width="600" height="450"></img></a>

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<a href="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredPneuE009.jpg"><img src="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredPneuE009.jpg" width="600" height="450"></img></a>

<a href="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredPneuE011.jpg"><img src="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredPneuE011.jpg" width="600" height="450"></img></a>

<a href="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredPneuE012.jpg"><img src="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredPneuE012.jpg" width="600" height="450"></img></a>

tbaggin

04-15-2010, 12:09 PM

that looks super nice.

Temo Vryce

04-15-2010, 02:12 PM

That clears things up a lot. Great work. You've got some serious skillz there.

mr.mag218

04-15-2010, 06:15 PM

If by "shopped" you mean Photoshopped you are incorrect. I took these pictures on my front lawn this afternoon and made this thread.

These pictures are 100% real and actual. no touch up what so ever!

:cheers:
can't pull off internet sarcasm to save my life. i'll work on it though

Beemer

04-15-2010, 07:09 PM

Thanks for the slide show and the pics. Nice job on the resize code also. I fixed that one post from that putz that was messing with the margins for ya also. :ninja:

You WILL bring this to TB4. :argh:

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Dirge

04-16-2010, 06:48 AM

OOooooooo..........shinny!

TwilightG

04-16-2010, 08:11 AM

I'm disappointed that the rail has not been ULE'd :p

Flatliner333

04-16-2010, 08:17 AM

Beautiful....maybe Dan could make you a trigger for it.

Mongoose

04-16-2010, 08:33 AM

Great job, looks amazing

Please bring this to Tunaball 4 :D

longi

04-16-2010, 01:25 PM

Veeery nice! So what does it shoot like? Videos, videos, we need videos! With paint of course!! ;)

TwilightG

04-16-2010, 01:28 PM

How does the trigger feel with the MSV mounted like that compared to the more conventional setup?
The G-Force frame mounted it the same way but the geometry of the trigger/frame are a lot different.

leloup

04-16-2010, 07:04 PM

Such a mirror finish...almost invisible in the grass.

chafnerjr

04-17-2010, 08:25 AM

How does the trigger feel with the MSV mounted like that compared to the more conventional setup?
The G-Force frame mounted it the same way but the geometry of the trigger/frame are a lot different.
I was wondering the same thing. It's a fantastic idea, but I can't wait to see how it shoots, and how he says it feels!

Maghog

04-17-2010, 08:53 AM

Beautiful....maybe Dan could make you a trigger for it.

I didn't want to say anything, but it is the only piece that isn't polished, and it hurts the looks of the setup. Of course, then there's the selector switch and the detent. I'm sure Loguzzzzz will fix all that. He doesn't need me.
Dan

chafnerjr

04-17-2010, 10:57 AM

The only thing that suck about this mag is that it's making me finally want to polish an XValve... :tard:

P.S. I hope you like waxing :cheers:

Loguzzzzzz

04-18-2010, 09:30 AM

I realize that there are a few pieces left to be dealt with but with this 99.9% complete and 100% functional I wanted to get some pictures out there.

I would love to change to trigger to something like Tunablade or the new Magnus E-Sabre as I have troubles walking a double trigger and both of those triggers suit my style better

The trigger pull is as light as you would expect from a quality pneumag conversion and the selector switch does act as a safety when pointing to the rear just as I had planned. Tested this yesterday.

Hopefully I can get some video up sometime soon.

Thanks to all for your suggestions, comments and questions. I hope that I was able to answer all of them to your satisfaction!

:cheers:

Tunaman

04-18-2010, 10:47 AM

Absolutely awesome! ;)

Loguzzzzzz

04-19-2010, 12:59 PM

:rolleyes:
OK, I couldn't handle all the criticism about the trigger, detents and selector switch. ;)

Take a look at these Encore Pictures. . . . . .
:D

<a href="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredEncore001.jpg"><img src="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredEncore001.jpg" width="600" height="450"></img></a>

<a href="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredEncore007.jpg"><img src="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredEncore007.jpg" width="600" height="450"></img></a>

<a href="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredEncore006.jpg"><img src="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredEncore006.jpg" width="600" height="450"></img></a>

<a href="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredEncore013.jpg"><img src="http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w326/jloguzzo/PTP%20E%20Pneu/MirroredEncore013.jpg" width="600" height="450"></img></a>

:ninja:

:cheers:

Smoothice

04-24-2010, 03:42 PM

Now put this baby in the mail to me!!!

Hahahahahah. I wish... :cry:

behemoth

04-24-2010, 03:46 PM

So, the battery pack is just there for looks?

Planning on filling in the HES spot at some point?

Schven79

04-24-2010, 06:00 PM

So, the battery pack is just there for looks?

Planning on filling in the HES spot at some point?

I hope, looks kinda weird.

Beautiful mag you got there... I think I found a new computer background.

Smoothice

04-24-2010, 08:11 PM

So, the battery pack is just there for looks?

I suggested an iPod. Maybe a snack...

behemoth

04-24-2010, 10:27 PM

Snacks. Yeah, we keep snacks in there.

Ando

04-24-2010, 11:23 PM

Hey lugs. I'll see what i can do about making a plate for that gaping hole. I'll make it out of aluminum. :cheers:

Smoothice

04-25-2010, 09:37 AM

Hey lugs. I'll see what i can do about making a plate for that gaping hole. I'll make it out of aluminum. :cheers:

make 2 :ninja:

Maghog

04-26-2010, 09:20 AM

[QUOTE=Loguzzzzzz]:rolleyes:
OK, I couldn't handle all the criticism about the trigger, detents and selector switch. ;)

Take a look at these Encore Pictures. . . . . .
:D

See, you're a perfectionist! Once you hear about any kind of shortcomings, you go after it. I knew you'd take care of the imperfections....nice job!
Dan

chafnerjr

04-27-2010, 10:33 AM

It'll never be complete! Trust me. Once you get all the parts in and play on them, then it will be time to polish again! it's the sort of thing that keeps us out of trouble you know...and hopefully out of having to make project gun after project gun! :cheers:

Nice work again man!

mobsterboy

05-03-2010, 09:42 PM

i noticed you said one of seven about the chord body. Anyone know of a list of owners for those seven? Because I believe there might be an eighth out there

Loguzzzzzz

05-03-2010, 09:48 PM

I know where 2 are ;)
:D

I think there was a third one that was anodized a maroon color that bounced between zazzoo and I believe it was madmarx a couple times. It was on a set of X mag lowers match ano'd with CF grips.

mobsterboy

05-07-2010, 11:25 PM

i thought either rudz, atach or lasrsk8er had one too

05-08-2010, 02:18 AM

IThe trigger pull is as light as you would expect from a quality pneumag conversion and the selector switch does act as a safety when pointing to the rear just as I had planned. Tested this yesterday.

:headbang:

Loguzzzzzz

05-08-2010, 09:31 AM

i thought either rudz, atach or lasrsk8er had one tooI don't recall rudz ever having a v1 Chord, A-Tach no longer has any AGD products and I own the one that lasrsktr used to own. :ninja:

crazyjoe12

05-09-2010, 12:26 AM

very nice work again

Beemer

05-09-2010, 12:46 AM

I don't recall rudz ever having a v1 Chord, A-Tach no longer has any AGD products and I own the one that lasrsktr used to own. :ninja:

I thought you said you would sell it to me. ;)