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RSUAVE911
02-10-2002, 02:22 PM
Does anyone know anything about them?

When are they going to be released?

Any kind of info of them?

I really really want one, because I love the matrix but I wanted like an LCD, thanks in advance. :)
MajorDamage
02-10-2002, 02:54 PM
Probably wont come out, I hear they are being sued. WDP has a patent on LCD screens for paintball guns or somin. Thats why the Emag has an LED screen ;)

ENDO!
RSUAVE911
02-10-2002, 02:59 PM
No thats B.S., there are lots of companies out there who have lcd grip frames.
FeelTheRT
02-10-2002, 03:31 PM
They are comming out soon, as well as the Mini-Matrices.
RSUAVE911
02-10-2002, 03:47 PM
How do you know this?
xmetal2001
02-10-2002, 05:06 PM
they debuted at Mardi Gras and will probably be on sale soon.

They also come witha bolt kit and trinity.
sifu01
02-10-2002, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by MajorDamage
Probably wont come out, I hear they are being sued. WDP has a patent on LCD screens for paintball guns or somin. Thats why the Emag has an LED screen ;)

ENDO!

This does sound pretty silly.
kenshinkandon
02-11-2002, 07:12 AM
I know they had some at the Mardi Gra and that they should be out soon. The LCD matrix should come with a bolt kit and PBC regulator I think the cost on them has gone up though to around 900 to 1000 dollars though.
BOOT
02-11-2002, 11:26 AM
Here is some info on the new Matrix. This is definately a marker to watch. The new Matrix is "suppose" to be out within the next month or two.

http://www.paintballwilderness.net/article.php?sid=64

Have a good one.
Ityl
02-11-2002, 11:57 AM
I wonder if AGD has put the matrix on the gun dyno. It may be the best gun out there today.
manike
02-11-2002, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Ityl
I wonder if AGD has put the matrix on the gun dyno. It may be the best gun out there today.

Apart from for looks and efficiency... :)

It is a great gun to shoot though.

manike
magic55
02-11-2002, 01:57 PM
have you ever seen the tequilla matrix. that is by far the best looking gun there is. there are a couple pics of them on pbnation.
manike
02-11-2002, 01:59 PM
Yes I've seen it. I know the guys behind Aardvark paintball :) But it's still not good looking when compared to other available guns such as the Autococker, Angel and E-mags. :)

manike
Cliffio
02-11-2002, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by manike
Yes I've seen it. I know the guys behind Aardvark paintball :) But it's still not good looking when compared to other available guns such as the Autococker, Angel and E-mags.

yes i totally agree

i think matricies look like shockers and everyone knows how those look
:)
crakonpr
02-11-2002, 02:30 PM
what are mini matrices?
Crazy
02-11-2002, 02:59 PM
look a shocker!:D
http://home.attbi.com/~zo/abc.jpg
RSUAVE911
02-11-2002, 03:16 PM
I think the tequila matrix looks way better than any angel, cocker, or especially emag. They have the spped of an angel accuracy of a cocker, and the efficency can be solved by a bolt kit. The new ones come with it and supposed to get 1200 from a 68/4500. I own an emag too.
nutz
02-11-2002, 03:17 PM
LOL!!! :p

matrices are not at all like shockers... they may be hogs like them and shoot a bit like them but they do not look like them or weigh has much as a shocker... i think matrices are very nice guns and easily compete with all the top guns out there today..

as for the LCD, word is on the matrix forum at pbnation is that they are being made now and will be forsale in the short future...

:D
manike
02-11-2002, 03:20 PM
nutz I put together the first ever prototype Matrix LCD with Dave from Aardvark, at the World when Richmond from Diablo handed us the prototype board.

It is the coolest LCD board yet! The prototype said 'POW' everytime you pulled the trigger. I hope that is one feature they keep for the production models.

The new bolt kit is better, but it still isn't as efficient as many other guns.

Don't get me wrong I think it is a great gun and love shooting it, but it could be better :)

manike
RSUAVE911
02-11-2002, 03:25 PM
Is it BS that it can get 1200 from a 68/4500?
manike
02-11-2002, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by RSUAVE911
Is it BS that it can get 1200 from a 68/4500?

I don't honestly know. I haven't done a proper test on the new bolt kit set up. But I was shooting one at the World Cup trying out different hoppers and stuff.

Getting two bags of paint (1000 balls) was pretty much what I was getting. But then I wasn't doing a proper count and test and checking the fill etc.

It is way better than it was originally but still doesn't compare to my Sov II or my Autococker by any means :)

manike
RSUAVE911
02-11-2002, 03:44 PM
Yeah I am not doubting that, but you give a little you take a little, ya know?

I am not going to cry over a little less shots but its a lot of shots which really scared me.

And I know you said you didn't really fully test it out yet, but would you reccomend a 88/4500? :)

Thanks in advance.
manike
02-11-2002, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by RSUAVE911
And I know you said you didn't really fully test it out yet, but would you reccomend a 88/4500?

Yes absolutely if that size of tank fits you and you are comfortable with it :)

I have 68 and 88 ci tanks. And I like both. I have no problems using the 88 sizewise so it's what I often use.

manike
BOOT
02-11-2002, 05:17 PM
I am very curious as to how it will review. The only thing that I was sceptical about the Matrix was its rotten efficiency. If what they are saying is true (about the new bolts) then it's definitely better. Granted it won't be the most efficient marker but it's a lot more competitive with what is out there. It's also nice to see that Airtech/Diablo has gone back to the drawing board to improve the efficiency issue. Look how long the Shocker has been around and there hasn't been much improvement in gas efficiency.
manike
02-11-2002, 05:21 PM
It was actually Greg Duncan from Aardvark Paintball who fixed the efficiency. He doesn't work for Airtech or Diablo. (He did at one point though).

manike
steveg
02-11-2002, 05:23 PM
strictly speaking it wasn't airtech/diablo that fixed the
efficiency problem it was an aftermarket company, arrdvark
that did that. They did however sell the rights to the new
design to airtech.
And the LCD going POW just might con me into upgrading my
grip. (everyone has to be a sucker for something)
BOOT
02-11-2002, 05:31 PM
Ooops...My bad.

Well it is nice to see that the off the rack version is coming out with the more effecient bolt. Sorry if I stepped on any toes.
RSUAVE911
02-11-2002, 06:18 PM
My God do I want one.
Aliens-8-MyDad
02-11-2002, 08:32 PM
OMG that brick thing almost made me crap my paints, oh wait.. nm. *comes back from the bathroom* heh... man thats some funny stuff there.
Ityl
02-13-2002, 10:57 AM
The only things I see wrong with the gun:

1. effeciency (not a big deal really)
2. looks (not a big deal either)
3. size, bigger than an emag (only real downfall)

It comes with the centerflag reg right? so as long as the electronics keep the bolt movement consistent, the gun must be pretty consistent. And as long as it recharges fast (up to 16 bps) than it has the basic features that make an emag great. Then through in it has lower chamber pressure and less pressure moving the bolt than an emag. And the one out now is cheaper.

I'm not saying that the EMag isn't a great gun, but I think there are a couple major things with the emag that are it's downfall.
brian terry
02-13-2002, 01:05 PM
a crazy i love that pic hehehe nice....////
FeelTheRT
02-13-2002, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by Ityl
The only things I see wrong with the gun:

1. effeciency (not a big deal really)
2. looks (not a big deal either)
3. size, bigger than an emag (only real downfall)


the efficancy isn't that bad. You the current stock stock Matrices get about 700-800 out of a 68/45. After bolt mod which some Matrices already come with, you get around 1300 shots with a 68/45.

I guess you could say it looks abit plain... but i do'nt think its ugly at all.

Oh geez, EVERY gun is bigger than the Emag. Comparing to an Angel, the Matrix is only about 1.5" taller.

I think it's a really great gun, it's very accurate, and can't chop paint with a LPR.
manike
02-13-2002, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by FeelTheRT
and can't chop paint with a LPR.

That's not 100% true. They can still chop paint but it is much less likely. Greg Handed me his own personal gun and asked me to try and chop... I obliged :)

But it took effort and mostly it just pinched or bounced back off the balls that didn't feed perfectly.

It is the least likely of any gun, without an ACE, to chop paint but it still possible to chop with delicate paint that it catches wrong...

manike
steveg
02-13-2002, 01:32 PM
Imagine a lpr matrix with ACE

OH-OH-OH has anyone mentioned lighter than a Cocker yet?