Deadlywind Aedes

[going_home]

I think I got the spelling of the marker right.
Anyways met Colin and his sidekick today at World Cup.
His barrels are a hit.
Got a pic of the elusive Aedes Marker he once upon a time was thinking about producing.


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b195/going_home/PSP%20World%20Cup%20Florida%202010/DSC_0008.jpg



http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b195/going_home/PSP%20World%20Cup%20Florida%202010/DSC_0009.jpg



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[thejayare]

Whoa!! That's hot. Does it come in raw?!? Lol

[Frizzle Fry]

That looks... buyable. Why not make it?

[robertsr1811]

Fear of getting his *** sued off from what I recall. It's been a long time though.

[going_home]

He just said it was a combination of things.
One of which is that an important component of Aedes is the MQ valve, which is no more.


:(

[Frizzle Fry]

$20-$25 from most stores, I thought. Plus, you're making the marker, so why not make the valve?

[going_home]

$20-$25 from most stores, I thought. Plus, you're making the marker, so why not make the valve?

Patents my friend, patents.
They might not be making MQ's anymore but you better not either.


:ninja:

[going_home]

I forgot to mention I talked to Gavin from Kohn Lasering.
Someone is going to be ecstatic when they get their tri color fade Emag back from him.
He said it came out amazing.
He didnt have any pics but I'm sure we will be seeing pics soon of it.


;)

[Frizzle Fry]

Patents my friend, patents.
They might not be making MQ's anymore but you better not either.


:ninja:

It couldn't cost much to license out a technology that, unused, probably costs more in court fees to retain and defend. It's basically found money. Use the "what else are you using it for?" argument... I mean, the patent is held by Kee. They're trying to narrow their branding. WGP is dead, and near worthless.

[punkncat]

Kohn does an absolutely amazing job with their lazer work. My Invert Mini is STUNNING, and the items I sent to have matched came out really nice as well. I will say one thing though...different grades of aluminum will lazer ever so slightly a different shade. My freak back and front are slightly off, no fault of Kohn at all, just part of the process and the way it turns out.

I HIGHLY recommend them for work. Great turnaround and super communication through the whole process. They even offered to lazer a replacement part for me just for the cost of shipping to and from. In no way at all was it their responsibility to do, just nice.

[bunny5]

Lol, i remember when they was first announced. Its a shame since that marker design could look amazing... Let me dust off some old photoshop designs I made for the original thread... :D

http://www.sflemag.com/images/aedas/deadlywind%20red.jpg
http://www.sflemag.com/images/aedas/deadlywind%20red%20to%20black%20fade.jpg
http://www.sflemag.com/images/aedas/deadlywind%20blue.jpg
http://www.sflemag.com/images/aedas/deadlywind%20purple%20with%20silver%20copy.jpg
http://www.sflemag.com/images/aedas/deadlywind%20acidwash.jpg

[KillerOfGiants]

it's always to see guys coming out with stuff but i gotta ask as part of the consumer market.... why buy this over an EGO, G6r or something else of the sort? If it were to be produced, of course.

[Daze]

Because with the electronically controlled valve, (MQ) you've got no kick in this gun. It should have all the benifits of a spoolie and a poppit valved gun combined.

[leloup]

any one have a link that shows how an mq works? Also, the karta body ones look awesome.

[mpsd]

I understand the patent part but why not sell it as a kit? I mean, he could offer the bodyies and frames only and whomever purchases it could just buy the rest of the parts and have it assembled. Wouldn't sell zillions like the aforementioned Ego but still could have it's share.

[Drix]

any one have a link that shows how an mq works? Also, the karta body ones look awesome.

<a href="http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations/aedes5fps.gif"><img src="http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations/aedes5fps.gif" width="600" height="250"></img></a>

[CatoRockwell]

Was there anything in particular that was supposed to make these marker's special? Not saying they don't look cool, they do. Just curious what the big hype about them was?

[Drix]

Was there anything in particular that was supposed to make these marker's special? Not saying they don't look cool, they do. Just curious what the big hype about them was?

Reciprocating parts- Theres virtually nothing but the bolt that moves, so it would have less kick than any other marker. In today's paintball world I don't think it'd be as epic as it would have been 5 years ago when they were supposed to come out, but they'd still be a sweet gun.

[Frizzle Fry]

Was there anything in particular that was supposed to make these marker's special? Not saying they don't look cool, they do. Just curious what the big hype about them was?

Considering how long ago they were going to have been made, yeah. Small, super efficient, virtually no recoil, few moving parts, milled feedneck, stuff like that.. Those are things that have come into popularity in the last year or two, but were unheard of in 2006, at least all together. It's also a new design; it's not a modified Intimidator or Matrix. I think someone pointed out it's got all the advantages of a spoolie and a poppit without the disadvantages... It's fresh and new, still.


Some stuff to chew on:

MSRP under $800
100 CPS
1500+ shots from a 68/45
42 BPS
6g bolt
Marker has ONE moving O-ring.


In 2006 this would have killed the Matrix a lot earlier, done damage to the Ego, and nipped DPs stacked-tube (and lowend spoolies) in the bud. That kind of efficiency and simplicity is rare for <$1000 now, and was unheard of then. With that price point it would have made the game very very different... It still could, though the look/price/oddity would probably make people think of the CREED and cringe.

[CatoRockwell]

Considering how long ago they were going to have been made, yeah. Small, super efficient, virtually no recoil, few moving parts, milled feedneck, stuff like that.. Those are things that have come into popularity in the last year or two, but were unheard of before 2008, at least all together. It's also a new design; it's not a modified Intimidator or Matrix. I think someone pointed out it's got all the advantages of a spoolie and a poppit without the disadvantages... It's fresh and new, still.

So why haven't they made it? I'm sure that Kee would allow them to use the MQ valve design if they paid royalties.

[Frizzle Fry]

So why haven't they made it? I'm sure that Kee would allow them to use the MQ valve design if they paid royalties.

That's what I'm sayin'.

[CatoRockwell]

One thing I will say is that if they came out, they definitely need a different trigger design.

[Frizzle Fry]

One thing I will say is that if they came out, they definitely need a different trigger design.

The purple one has a sling... :cool:

[BigEvil]

If that whole "White hat" thing ever happens, who knows maybe we will see this gun someday.

[Frizzle Fry]

I bet the tip from the Boost 2 bolt would fit on here :p

[hill160881]

I understand the patent part but why not sell it as a kit? I mean, he could offer the bodyies and frames only and whomever purchases it could just buy the rest of the parts and have it assembled. Wouldn't sell zillions like the aforementioned Ego but still could have it's share.


I like this idea. i would love a kit like this

[factoid]

Very cool design. I'm watching that animation and I'm not quite following the trigger mechanism.

What's the deal with the little purple pin and the two orange boxes that appear and disappear around it?

I get that the LPR keeps a constant flow into the dump chamber, which has a kind of on/off in it that reciprocates when the pressure on the backside is released, allowing the dump chamber to force the blow forward and exit the barrel.

The little purple pin seems to have a spring on it that exceeds the air pressure pushing against it, thus keeping the on/off closed.

But then that little orange box appears and it moves backward. Is that a magnet or something? It's like it turns on (or off) and suddenly the spring is no longer enough to hold back the pressure, it vents out the back and opens the on/off.

[cockerpunk]

a while back i designed what was in essence an inline single tubed version of this gun. i didn't use an MQ but worked very similarly. it was bascailly a blend between this valve system, with an automag bolt system. it would have been extremely efficent, much moreso then the stacked tube version. the primary drawback was that it basically required tons of boring operations and complex internal profiles, which would have made manufacturing a bit of a costly proposition.

later, i found out colin had done the same with this gun and concluded its infeasablity for the same reason.

cool technology though. a shame the MQ valve is not more popularly used, it solves many problems.

[DevilMan]

Very cool design. I'm watching that animation and I'm not quite following the trigger mechanism.

What's the deal with the little purple pin and the two orange boxes that appear and disappear around it?

I get that the LPR keeps a constant flow into the dump chamber, which has a kind of on/off in it that reciprocates when the pressure on the backside is released, allowing the dump chamber to force the blow forward and exit the barrel.

The little purple pin seems to have a spring on it that exceeds the air pressure pushing against it, thus keeping the on/off closed.

But then that little orange box appears and it moves backward. Is that a magnet or something? It's like it turns on (or off) and suddenly the spring is no longer enough to hold back the pressure, it vents out the back and opens the on/off.

I'm pretty sure the orange boxes are representing electromagnetic forces... When you pull the trigger, the coils energize and pull the purple pin back. That opens the valve and lets the air through. The green is a spring/magnet that pushes the pin back forward after the electomagnetic force is released.

That's just my thought... and could very well be wrong.

DM

[cockerpunk]

I'm pretty sure the orange boxes are representing electromagnetic forces... When you pull the trigger, the coils energize and pull the purple pin back. That opens the valve and lets the air through. The green is a spring/magnet that pushes the pin back forward after the electomagnetic force is released.

That's just my thought... and could very well be wrong.

DM

sounds about right to me.

an MQ works very much like a giant soleniod.

[leloup]

I would definitely want one...oddly enough my dreams for the past two nights revolved around this and another marker...one that uses a board to adust the lpr and hpr by means of small motors or solenoids. The grip frame opened up (screwless) to a clam shell touch screen where you could adjust velocity, listen to music, etc. Crazyness.

[going_home]

I would definitely want one...oddly enough my dreams for the past two nights revolved around this and another marker...one that uses a board to adust the lpr and hpr by means of small motors or solenoids. The grip frame opened up (screwless) to a clam shell touch screen where you could adjust velocity, listen to music, etc. Crazyness.


Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.



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[Drix]

I'm pretty sure the orange boxes are representing electromagnetic forces... When you pull the trigger, the coils energize and pull the purple pin back. That opens the valve and lets the air through. The green is a spring/magnet that pushes the pin back forward after the electomagnetic force is released.

That's just my thought... and could very well be wrong.

DM

Exactally right.

When the mq is triggered a electro-magnetic plunger (light blue moving part in the bottom tube) moves towards the rear of the marker unbalancing the MQ valve (white moving piece, center of the bottom tube) allowing air to escape through the front and up the air tube to the bolt. A spring then returns the valve to its closed position when the magnet is turned off.

<a href="http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations/mq1.gif"><img src="http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations/mq1.gif" width="600" height="250"></img></a>

[factoid]

Do any paintball markers use this type of valve? It's very cool. I love that you can use the same valve to do either closed bolt or open bolt operation, though this second animation doesn't really explain how the cocking mechanism is operated. Either a second air pressure cycle or a pump I'm guessing.

[cockerpunk]

Do any paintball markers use this type of valve? It's very cool. I love that you can use the same valve to do either closed bolt or open bolt operation, though this second animation doesn't really explain how the cocking mechanism is operated. Either a second air pressure cycle or a pump I'm guessing.

thats becuase the MQ valve was made for a cocker, hence the front ram pumping the bolt.

no one else has really used it. its a beautiful system, and i can think of several ways of using the same idea but pnumatics to acomplish the same thing. i also liken the system to the ULT system the way you can cheat pressures with it ...

[Xernex]

I would definitely want one...oddly enough my dreams for the past two nights revolved around this and another marker...one that uses a board to adust the lpr and hpr by means of small motors or solenoids. The grip frame opened up (screwless) to a clam shell touch screen where you could adjust velocity, listen to music, etc. Crazyness.


I was just thinking about this and the isis the other night.... two things I really wish I coulda owned.