choose one...

[LK-13]

ok, I'm kind of in a quandary...
so I throw it out to you people of the AO.
Which body design do you prefer? and why?
all will be sunk into a wood stock up to the mid line of the barrel. (see the black line on some examples)
round top vented:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/PAINTBALL%20GEAR/slickunibody.png
slant top vented:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/PAINTBALL%20GEAR/slanttopventholesround.jpg
low profile:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/PAINTBALL%20GEAR/lowprofilerounded.jpg

my personal fav:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/PAINTBALL%20GEAR/bestversion.jpg http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/PAINTBALL%20GEAR/bestsfr.jpg

different vent holes:
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/PAINTBALL%20GEAR/2typesofholes.jpg

[Ando]

Not sure what style setup your going after but I thing a Weaver rail would look nice and you'd be able to add accessories. Unless those holes at the top are mounting holes for said rail then forget what i said :D

As far as which one I like, personal fav.

[pinkanese]

Personal Fav for sure. BTW I like your First Strike Mag idea, making the frame from scratch I assume? though I suppose you could just move it back and shorten the sear arm. OOH, or integrate the trigger guard into the vertical magazine. :)

Should so make a Mauser Broomhandle out of this body

[correia3]

I am guessing some kind of rifle/mil-sim design...? Personal Fav for me too...Second choice would be low profile just because I think it would fit well with a rifle theme... :cheers:

[mpsd]

I see what you are doind there, mister. And I like it! LOL

For a First Strike compatible magazine fed, Automag rifle, I'd rather have a square one, with a picatiny rail on it's top. Just my .02.

Anyways, keep us posted, ok?

:cheers:

[Thotograph]

KISS, weaver rail and be done with it... besides you'll probably want the option to mount some kind of optics...

Beyond that it'd be fun to play with some kind of iron sights... and I think a rail would let you throw some on there but the front sight post could be a bit tricky.

[Rudz]

idk if you plan on adding weaver rails to the top of these bodies, but in that case, that would be awesome


good work so far

[LK-13]

yes, the top centering holes are for mounting Picatinny rails.
and all the versions are magazine fed. Milsig magazines for regular paintballs;
a magazine of my own design for FSR.
these are going into Wood Rifle Stocks, so the body will actually be hidden inside the stock up to the barrels center line or more depending on style and other wood furniture.

kind of like the guns below only different:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Paintball%20Guns/DSCI0368-1.png

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Paintball%20Guns/DSCI0363.png

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Paintball%20Guns/Wasaga-BlackReign005-1-2.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/Paintball%20Guns/MagRiflebuild1BOTHSIDES.jpg

[mpsd]

yes, the top centering holes are for mounting Picatinny rails.
and all the versions are magazine fed. Milsig magazines for regular paintballs;
a magazine of my own design for FSR.
these are going into Wood Rifle Stocks, so the body will actually be hidden inside the stock up to the barrels center line or more depending on style and other wood furniture.


I really like that idea. Is your FS magazine also compatible with the Milsig ones? I mean will they be able to be mounted on other guns that use the same magazine style, like the Milsig's and the new Tippmann kits? I'm saying that because, if they do, you also have another prospect market for these magazines.

[LK-13]

unfortunately no.
the round hole for standard paintballs is too small to pass a FSR.
the FSR has to pass into the breach the same way a regular bullet would, pushed in sideways with it's center axis parallel to the barrel/direction of flight.
my magazine passes up through the breach, when you pull the trigger the bolt passes through the magazine chambering/shooting the round.

now I am trying to adapt the Milsig magazines to accept FSR but that wont bore the new hole in the bottom of your A5.
it's only a small bit of filing to square up the back of the feed port; but I'm not sure just how many people would have the confidence to do the work themselves.

[mpsd]

unfortunately no.
the round hole for standard paintballs is too small to pass a FSR.
the FSR has to pass into the breach the same way a regular bullet would, pushed in sideways with it's center axis parallel to the barrel/direction of flight.
my magazine passes up through the breach, when you pull the trigger the bolt passes through the magazine chambering/shooting the round.

I know that. Question is if your FS magazine would attach to any standard Milsig magazine slot or not.


now I am trying to adapt the Milsig magazines to accept FSR but that wont bore the new hole in the bottom of your A5.
it's only a small bit of filing to square up the back of the feed port; but I'm not sure just how many people would have the confidence to do the work themselves.

It's such a simple mod. Anyone could do it with just a file, right?

About adapting the original Milsig magazines, I don't know if it's doable. I'm saying that because those magazines have a curve on the ball stack, in order to increase the capacity and every FS magazine I've seen so far holds the FS rounds in a straight line. Am I wrong?

Anyways, I'm just thrilled with the idea of having a magazine fed Mag. And using a "standard" magazine, already available on the market for $20 or less is a big, big plus.
I don't even have a modern Tippmann that could be used with a magaine kit.

[LK-13]

ok aluminium is light but Delrin is lighter.

If you were buying a custom body,
which material would you prefer,

Aluminium or Delrin?

[sjrtk]

Aluminum. I think delrin would get mashed by the bolt even with the body washer.

[mpsd]

Aluminum for sure. The increased strenght and durability are better than the small weight gain.

[LK-13]

funny thing, I'm also experimenting with a cast resin that is actually harder than 6065 Aluminium while being lighter than Delrin.
I'm thinking a cast body with a Stainless Steel bushing should do the trick.
and this would cut the cost dramatically.
I mean which wold you rather:

Machined Aluminium Body $300.00/ea

cast resin body $100.00/ea

not much of a contest is it.

[mpsd]

In that case, the resin seems to be a good option. Just make sure the threads for the feedneck, detent and barrel will hold up and sustain the use and abuse paintball markers usually suffer.

[vf-xx]

I like where this is going....

Maybe use threaded inserts for the barrel as well?

[sjrtk]

A resin sounds good but i think even then you will need a buffer to ease the pounding the bolt will inflict. Besides I don't trust plastic (resin or other wise) threads. If you could an aluminum breach insert with the AGD spec body washer could work. Not sure of the price point though. It is still a good plan.

[LK-13]

In that case, the resin seems to be a good option. Just make sure the threads for the feedneck, detent and barrel will hold up and sustain the use and abuse paintball markers usually suffer.

not going to be any feed necks, they will be magazine fed.

[Watcher]

The "personal favorite" looks good to me. I can easily see that on, like, a Mini-14.

[sjrtk]

The "personal favorite" looks good to me. I can easily see that on, like, a Mini-14.

That was my thought on the low profile, I have a mini-14 stock waiting for guts right now.

[LK-13]

then there is the "Sterling" body...
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/PAINTBALL%20GEAR/Sterlingbody3.png
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/FIREARMS/sterling_smg_07.jpg http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/FIREARMS/sterling03.jpg http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u215/LK-13/FIREARMS/colefire2.jpg

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=249738

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=255310

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=254716

[mpsd]

That would be nice too, specially if used with a Lapco barrel shroud!

[LK-13]

That would be nice too, specially if used with a Lapco barrel shroud!
the Lapco shroud is the wrong scale and because of the body having the rail built in the barrel is off center.
I'll be making the shrouds as well. they will blend seamlessly.
but gotta get some interest happening or I'm not going to be able to build a blasted thing.

[vf-xx]

the Lapco shroud is the wrong scale and because of the body having the rail built in the barrel is off center.
I'll be making the shrouds as well. they will blend seamlessly.
but gotta get some interest happening or I'm not going to be able to build a blasted thing.

What sort of interest do you need for a resin bodied rifle?

And have you done any mock up's of the mag design? I would imagine the mag and mag retention system may be the most complex part here.

[BlackOps]

I prefer your fave as well.

Question though, didn't Reaper Customs make an underfed Qloader body, and it required that he make some cantilevered grip system in order to make the extra room to feed it from underneath?

[LK-13]

I prefer your fave as well.

Question though, didn't Reaper Customs make an underfed Qloader body, and it required that he make some cantilevered grip system in order to make the extra room to feed it from underneath?

Q-Loader actually makes it's own under fed marker based on the A5 platform.

But mounting in a Rifle Stock allows me to place the trigger where ever I want.
In this case the trigger hinge point is directly under the valve thumb screw.
It also lends it's self to a pneumag trigger because it's a remote system that can be put anywhere.
if you were to try to make a pistol out of one of my bodies,
the grip would be under or behind the valve, kinda K frame-ish.
the Sterling version is going to work reasonably well with your AGD pistol grip, but you may need to extend the trigger rod or just go to a pneumag triggering system.

[LK-13]

next question is...
Would you want the body alone so you could build your own project?
or
Would you want a fully built & tested gun ready to gas up and shoot?

[mpsd]

I'd rather have the body alone.

For example, on the Sterling, I'd like to assemble it with an old metal single trigger frame, a classic valve and a short 6" or 8" barrel. Speaking of that, could you extend the back portion of that body to cover the valve and do it in a way that the air fitting would look like the cocking pin on the original Sterlings you've shown?

:cheers:

[BlackOps]

Q-Loader actually makes it's own under fed marker based on the A5 platform. Yes, I know, there are several mag fed/bottom fed markers out there, but I was assuming that since this was on AO.org that it would be mag valve based.


But mounting in a Rifle Stock allows me to place the trigger where ever I want. Not really, the sear has to be in the same place it would be on any automag.


It also lends it's self to a pneumag trigger because it's a remote system that can be put anywhere.
if you were to try to make a pistol out of one of my bodies,
the grip would be under or behind the valve, kinda K frame-ish.
the Sterling version is going to work reasonably well with your AGD pistol grip, but you may need to extend the trigger rod or just go to a pneumag triggering system.
Which was the point I was getting at. We aren't looking at something that you can strap a modified rail and an intelliframe on and it works. Its going to require some serious tinkering in the grip frame department to make it work.

There wasn't really any clarification to that point, and well.... Now there is. ;)

[LK-13]

Yes, I know, there are several mag fed/bottom fed markers out there, but I was assuming that since this was on AO.org that it would be mag valve based.
Yes, I am using the AGD valve train.


Not really, the sear has to be in the same place it would be on any automag.
who said anything about the sear? the sear stays where it is, then you add a piece of 4-40 threaded rod to the clevis connected to the sear;
once that is in place you can move the trigger anywhere you want.
it will need a hinge and the trigger can pull or push the new trigger rod depending on weather the trigger is forward of the normal position or behind.



Which was the point I was getting at. We aren't looking at something that you can strap a modified rail and an intelliframe on and it works. Its going to require some serious tinkering in the grip frame department to make it work.
these bodies all have the rail built into the body, no additional rail is needed.
none of these were designed to have a grip frame installed.
so yes if your 100% that you want a standard grip frame the only body that I've designed that will accept one as is,
will be the "Sterling" look-a-like.
which is still a work in progress,
as I'm still refining the design to make it lighter, look cooler, feed better and so on.

It would seem that you have grown too accustomed to the standard grip frame configuration;
I'm thinking from a real steel firearm/design/ergonomic point of view.
It came from the fact I love the style of a wood rifle stock and because I only have limited use of my left arm I need some extra thought put into the function of the gun.
and anything that makes it easier for me will work for others too.

Rumor has it that the new thumb pump gun from Metadyne may have been inspired by the pumper that CCM posted a video of on the MCB.
That CCM gun was actually tinkered together that way for me specifically,
because of my bad arm.
so there is an example of a measure to make things easier for a disabled guy that once someone chose to run with it, came up with a really cool gun.

it's all about thinking about what you have and turning it into what you want.