gladiator?

[ProblemKinder]

I think someone called this a gladiator setup or something like that. anyways, how does it work? do I screw the thing on the end in to turn on the air?

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q208/highprrrr/IMG_20110527_121003.jpg

[OPBN]

Looks like an Air America Rex Raptor adjustable regulator. Yes, you turn the valve in to turn it on/adjust it. Be careful not to turn it in too much, the reg pins bend pretty easy.

[going_home]

I dont think that one has an air bleed on it.

http://info.paintball.ru/files/manuals/reg/raptor.pdf


:ninja:

[sjrtk]

There is no bleed on that. Also there is no real on off for it. Yes the reg pins will bend easily, you will know when it is bent because it will leak out the allen hole on the adjkuster. you also need a cradle to hold it. Have fun they work goo untill the decide the don't.

Ohhhh an you maintain it with a drop of 10w30 motor oil for the spring pack and seat.

[ProblemKinder]

i have the cradle. so I screw the valve nut (which is sticking out the end) in until it pressurizes, then check the velocity, and keep turning it until I get 285 FPS. easy enough i spose.

are you telling me I should unscrew it all the way, put a drop of 10W30, and screw it back in? regular paintball marker oil won't work, eh?

[paint magnet]

Treat it just like any other adjustable HPA regulator. You'll want to set your tank output pressure to at least 200 psi above what your gun runs off of (200 PSI above your inline reg pressure). If you want to turn it off, you'll probably have to put some kind of inline on/off in the airline, downstream from the tank. It'd be a rather clunky way to do it though, and if it's going on a mag, I'd just leave it gased up or shoot it empty every time you put it away.

[VailSkibum]

This was my first HPA setup. I still use it to this day. Silly thing was $350 when I bought it. :tard:

One of the most important things you need to know about this reg is that when you are turning the velocity up or down, never adjust it MORE THAN 1/2 TURN AT A TIME WITHOUT FIRING A FEW SHOTS IN BETWEEN TO RELEASE SOME PRESSURE. If you don't follow this rule, you will chop the piston O-ring every time.

As far as an on/off, I use what's called a Pro-Connect (google it). Works great.

Ideally, you want the regs output pressure around 850 psi to feed your Mag. Then adjust your marker's reg to chrono, not the AA reg. I built a little gizmo with a guage and some old remote parts to set the output pressure of the AA before I hooked it to my marker.

The reg is virtually identical to the reg on your mag, so its no suprise that mine has lasted as long as it has. In short, besides being pretty ugly and a bit heavy, (the cradels don't help), my Raptor will prob outlast my playing days.

VSb

[sjrtk]

yes 10w 30 i have one in the factory box and instructions. It calls for a drop of 10w30. They are good but there are much easier regs to deal with out there.

[ProblemKinder]

Ideally, you want the regs output pressure around 850 psi to feed your Mag. Then adjust your marker's reg to chrono, not the AA reg. I built a little gizmo with a guage and some old remote parts to set the output pressure of the AA before I hooked it to my marker.


VSb

I may be missing something here. How do I know what the output pressure of this tank is? I've never used a regulator before, I always just screwed my tank into my CP on/off and that was it. since this tank doesn't screw into anything, I assumed the way you "turned it on" was by screwing the end piece in, which I figure pushes in a pin which opens a valve and lets air out through the macro line elbow, through the macro line into my xvalve. but how do I know what the output pressure of the tank is? there's no gauge.

[OPBN]

I may be missing something here. How do I know what the output pressure of this tank is? I've never used a regulator before, I always just screwed my tank into my CP on/off and that was it. since this tank doesn't screw into anything, I assumed the way you "turned it on" was by screwing the end piece in, which I figure pushes in a pin which opens a valve and lets air out through the macro line elbow, through the macro line into my xvalve. but how do I know what the output pressure of the tank is? there's no gauge.
The guage on the side of the reg will tell you the pressure. What Vali is saying is you adjust the Raptor Reg to about 850 PSI and then adjust the regulator on the valve to chrono. Personally, I would set it higher if you are looking for an RT effect. I have my adjustable regs all set around 11-1200.

[VailSkibum]

First, check out a Pro Connect HERE (http://www.hustlepaintball.com/Psiworx-Pro-Connect-III-Quick-Disconnect--Air-Release-System?utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase&cvsfa=3169&cvsfe=2&cvsfhu=3332383730313031)

This is the last incarnation. (It now sports an RT rail/foregrip and CF/PMI grips. Feels like you can break a door down w it. :argh: :ninja: )

<img src= "http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/4531/p8060006.jpg" width=400 height=300>

I will post a picture in a bit that shows a version of the "Gizmo" I built from spare parts that lets you check your tanks output PSI.

VSb

[VailSkibum]

The Gizmo. It's forms vary, and will usually reflect what parts are on-hand at the moment. :ninja:
Note: The quick disconnect in the picture is there for show only. You need something like the PCnnt or a slide-check in place of the Q/D there to hold the air in the HPA tank. Just a quick disconnect won't cut it.

Ball valve is to release pressure. Hook up your tank and take a reading. Then adjust the tank reg no more than a 1/4 or 1/2 turn at a time--bleeding pressure between cranks--until you get it to where you want it. 800 PSI wil run a Classic Valve, but you will need to 'crank it up' a bit more to get the RT effect out of XValves and the like.

Open and close the brass valve a few times and make sure the readings are consistant.

<img src= "http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8195/p6060002f.jpg" width=400 height=300>

...and lets air out through the macro line elbow, through the macro line into my xvalve
Dude, don't do macro-line on a Raptor. :nono:
Run SS air line only off of the HPA tank. Remember that the line will always be under pressure.
Just my opinion.

[ProblemKinder]

The guage on the side of the reg will tell you the pressure. What Vali is saying is you adjust the Raptor Reg to about 850 PSI and then adjust the regulator on the valve to chrono. Personally, I would set it higher if you are looking for an RT effect. I have my adjustable regs all set around 11-1200.

the only guage is the one that tells me what's in the tank (3000 psi) nothing that tells me what the output pressure is.

the tank came to me with the macroline elbow. I assume this is how the previous owner used it.

i'm tempted to just sell this thing. when I bought it in the first place, I wasn't paying attention and didn't even know it was set up this way, I was expecting a regular old HPA tank that I could screw in and be ready to go. serves me right for not paying attention.

[SockMonkey]

OK, so basically that regulator is just the back half of an automag valve stuck on a tank. The back of any classic/minimag valve is the same as that thing. They even use the SAME rebuild kits.

So there is no point in using that to control the FPS. Just crank it up, doesnt matter the operating pressure. I would just crank it up until the automag pressurizes and then go maybe .5-1 turns more. Then bring the gun to the chrono like you always did and use the back of the vale adjustment to fine tune FPS

Essentially you are feeding an automag with and automag. I loved mine for my x-valve, RT'd like an SOB. The adjustments were nice because you could adjust the input pressure to adjust the rate of fire.

Now im not running an x-valve and replaced the back of my minimag valve with the top of that reg (I can get pics later) because they are literally identical, except the AA tank reg is skinnier.

[Ando]

Ya bro. Those regs are pretty badass. You need to use it before you kick it to the curb. You can put a guage anywhere on your marker to see what your feeding it. Usual place is on the vert grip. Double tap it and install the gauge.

[ProblemKinder]

i don't know how much of an RT effect I'll get with the ULTrigger, but I'll give this tank a try. after I get it hydro tested of course...I've had it for a looong time. thanks for the help guys :cheers:

[OPBN]

the only guage is the one that tells me what's in the tank (3000 psi) nothing that tells me what the output pressure is.


You're right, my bad, was confusing the AA adjustable reg with this one. If you had a spare guage and a dual port asa on your foregrip or even a t fitting of some sort, you can measure that way. Sorry for the misinfo.

[VailSkibum]

Here is an old pic of my Classic that I used the Raptor on. Notice the male PConnect on the bottom of the foregrip. I mounted a guage on the VA so I could see what pressure I was running to the marker. This was probably the best set-up for ease of use. I ran a remote off this one like the Classic RT and a shoulder stock.

<img src= "http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/493/p7220001.jpg" width=400 height=300>

[ProblemKinder]

You're right, my bad, was confusing the AA adjustable reg with this one. If you had a spare guage and a dual port asa on your foregrip or even a t fitting of some sort, you can measure that way. Sorry for the misinfo.


no problem :cheers:

[ProblemKinder]

Here is an old pic of my Classic that I used the Raptor on. Notice the male PConnect on the bottom of the foregrip. I mounted a guage on the VA so I could see what pressure I was running to the marker. This was probably the best set-up for ease of use. I ran a remote off this one like the Classic RT and a shoulder stock.

<img src= "http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/493/p7220001.jpg" width=400 height=300>

I'll most likely be doing something very similar to this setup. :headbang: