AO Team What do You Think of this Emag Front Grip???

[AGD]

AO Reasearch Team,

In response you your many requests for a different battery pack on the front of the Emag we came up with this one as a compromise. It has 2/3rds length AAA batteries and gets about half the shots maybe somewhat less. It is much smaller but about an inch longer. Looking for your feedback!

AGD

[AGD]

Here is a photoshop version showing the battery permanently attached.

[JanStah]

Hi Tom,

Do I like the principle of a smaller, lighter foregrip? Yes I do.

Do I like the whole idea of 'Angled Foregrips'? No I dont.

Angled foregrips are a fad. They'll go away when the cocker-kids realise that it looks dumb.

Tom, please make it straight and then post another picture...

Thanks

Jan.

[AGD]

Here is a photoshop straight version.

[JanStah]

Thanks Tom,

Number 3 is definitely the best looking one.

In terms of practicality on the field, I suspect that 3 would be more comfortable too.

Cheers

Jan.

[AGD]

Vertical removable battery, this is the one that would be easiest for us to make and most likely to go into production.

[Bonx0007]

I agree!

[Lord Vader]

Personally, I don't see what the big gripe is about the normal emag battery. It get's a ton of shots, it's NiMH (=good battery), and it is a nice, beefy foregrip. Maybe I am weird for trying to see beauty in function, not necessarily form. Mags may be "heavy" and "tubes," but they are tough (stainless steel, baby) and a marvel of engineering.

Personally, I'd like having the option of the normal battery. I have enough alkalines between my warp and revvy. Tom, I'm not complaining. The fact that you worked this up is yet another example of AGD's commitment to service and ingenuity. I am just saying that not all players just want something that looks cool. :-D

[Wayland Fong]

straight looks a lot better than angled. but its still pretty bland. think you can put some finger grooves into it or something???

also, i am to understand that on the regular Emags, in order to switch to Mechanical mode, you gotta take the battery out or put in an electrical interruptor? while having a backup Mechanical mode in case the Electrical goes defunct is an awesome idea, i don't think the Emag fully lives up to this potential. i don't like the idea of having to fumble with taking the battery out and messing with it to switch to Mechanical if i'm in the middle of a game. if you could design the Extreme so that all it takes is the flip of the switch to go from pure Electrical to pure Mechanical, it'd be a lot more convenient. forget about the Hybrid mode. its nice for bells and whistles, i guess, but noone buys the Emag for the Hybrid mode.

[manike]

I really like it in principle but the blocky bit at the top of the tubular pack looks aweful in my opinion. I'd need to see one in the flesh to be sure though.

A square going abruptly to a tube doesn't work for aesthetics. If you blend the two together (like the AGDE battery pack was) then it would be much easier.

The pack they made over here could be made much more simply than the original prototype and acheive that look... you could also make it with seperate tops so that if people wanted to have an angled version they could...

manike

[Bonx0007]

Trust me AGD you want this one to look pretty if you want some tourney market share. DO NOT MAKE AN UGLY GUN!
I understand more than anybody the importance of function before beauty but you must work them in together. If you go all out to make the body look good and ruin it on a funky looking battery pack you have not accomplished much. I think we should not go for the easiest to produce but the best looking that incorperate a great functioning marker. Go all the way with this one Tom. Please you will be happier in the long run.

[JanStah]

I dont like that block above the tubular part.

I remember seeing a battery from AGDE that was round and removable and didnt have that block. Any Idea what happened to that, Simon?

If its as easy to make as you say, why not just implement that?

Cheers

Jan.

[manike]

The original prototype by AGDE is still being developed. It was however not an easy piece to make. I think a compromise could be achieved between the two.

manike

[kilaueakid]

Yeahhhh Baabyyy, I like It (Austin Powers tone).

I think all options look better permanently attached, even the angled one looks sexy when it is perm attached.

Maybe the ones with the block look better in person and we should also consider it WILL look different with everything anno'd.

I would DEFINATELY say you are making the right decision on doing this even if it is offered as an option to a regular battery pack.

Great Work.

Kila

[BlackVCG]

All I have to say is that angled foregrips are the dumbest thing next to "Ginger", that two wheeled scooter.

[Tunaman]

I like the old battery pack. The new one is way too ugly for the Emag. Angled ones are for knuckleheads.

[Paintballer86]

Originally posted by Tunaman
I like the old battery pack. The new one is way too ugly for the Emag. Angled ones are for knuckleheads.
Mee to :(

[Hexis]

When you say Does Not Come Off, do you mean it's welded to the main body or grip frame? Or it's a possible to disassemble, but not with a simple field strip screw? I like both the angled and straight versions without the block. I know you would like to pick one, but perhaps standardize on the straight one, and offer the angled one as an aftermarket part.

[Manuel_FZR]

I also like the old battery pack. It makes the EMag unique in the world of marker.
But I really never had one in my hands, so if it is verry uncomfortabel - make it round with fingergroves.

Another (for me important) point: The legalisation in Germany. For this, the now shown battery pack would be much better. But it looks ugly :(

And: no angeled foregrip; looks ugly too

And: What´s about one E-Stock witch gives the power for all other parts, like the WARP and the Hopper ...

[manike]

Originally posted by Manuel_FZR
And: What´s about one E-Stock witch gives the power for all other parts, like the WARP and the Hopper ...

I've seen a prototype for that from Pro Team Products. They were showing it at the World Cup.

manike

[Manuel_FZR]

Originally posted by manike


I've seen a prototype for that from Pro Team Products. They were showing it at the World Cup.

manike

:eek: fotos? :eek:

[manike]

ugh... not that I know of... but try Warpig's report on the 2001 World Cup, they may have it there.

I couldn't find anything on their website but I only had a quick look.

manike

[shartley]

I don’t like it…. a lot of my feelings have already been posted, so I will not just copy them.

What I think would be great, is if you kept the battery pack the way it is, but made custom sleeves that people could buy to slip OVER it. You could do colors, special ribbing, finger grips, places to put “jewels” (something E-Mags just appear to be lacking, but that seem quite popular), etc. It would allow you to bring another product onto the market that does not rely on it being a “working” part… and gives the consumer something that has been a big gripe about AGD Markers for a long time… customization.

[Manuel_FZR]

Ok, I will spend the afternoon searching for this foto ;) ... this would be coooool, if you would only need one battery for all parts ... :rolleyes:

[headcase]

Nope, I still like the battery pack that is already on the E-mags.

[Load SM5]

I like the round pack, hanging 90 degrees without the square block on top, the best.

However, instead of round or block I would kind of like to see something in between. A nice oval grip would be nice. Then you could use Shatley's idea of slip on grip covers in different colors and designs. That way no one would really be calling for milled battery packs.

On a side note, how many other companies would actually ask for input like this? I'll bet if WDP had that ugly IR3 finger guard would'nt be an issue.

[Thordic]

I don't like it...

I think, like shartley said, covers for the existing packs would be a good idea. Get Dye to make emag stickies for the grip AND the battery in one box, perhaps?

[nutz]

my question for tom:

why cant the pack in #3 be removed??? im sure u guys could do that by shortening the removable block...


i really like the looks of #3 and im sure not too many people would care if it was not removable, the only hassle would be changing the batterys then... inless u came up with a charger that could be attached to the bottom of the pack

[SoupRman]

i don't own an e-mag but here's my input. i would rather have a square pack that last longer and is rechargable than having to change out AA batteries all day. is there is someway to find a Stick type of rechargable battery still NiMh, then that would be better.

[Rynoboy06]

I'm rather fond of #3, I think with finger grooves the comfort and drop in weight would make it worth it to have to use alkanine batteries; we can always use manual if they die. :D I can't stand angled grips.

[cphilip]

Like the stright down one fixed position no block. Like the existing Emag one too. More comfortable than it looks. Like the cover for them idea as well.

[Potatoboy]

The ones that *are* removable. With that block on the top, it looks like they might be interchangable with the standard grip...

Am I correct in thinking this?

Will you be able to unscrew the round one and slide it off and then slide on the standard one?

[cledford]

I like the battery pack the way it is, and think it looks even sexier on the modular emags - I don't like the new ones at all. A series of 'limited" custom bodies that could replace the stock body and have say rubber inserts, jewels. or even clear plastic inserts would be better.

The options shown remind me of cocker front married to a mag rear.

Sorry,

-Calvin

[Griffin]

If you put grips on that foregrip it would feel so much better! I couldn't imagine here in Connecticut putting my hands around that and getting frozen to the metal. You should make a picture with some nice grips on it, Tom.



-Griffin

[virus]

actually i kinda miss seeing the short old style batt pack.... but with my hands... i like the orignal the best....


on a side note... Tom why are you teaseing us with the 4.5k flatline.... i see that and it really gets my hopes up that they will be out really soon.....

[Dubstar112]

I like the forgrip style, but I think it needs to be fitted better to the shape of the body rail and grip frame

[Bonx0007]

AGD I have your answer make it an option, round or traditional battery pack. Options sell. I think it would work well. just find a way to make them interchangeable. that would be sweet and every one would be happy.

[bornl33t]

serisously I was very disapointed that the minimag body wasn't going to be around anymore, but after that mag in the "cut and carved" thread and this new angled batt pack I'm REALLY starting to wonder if I should be saving my pennies for the day that AGD does have these features on a E-mag

[OldSchoolMag]

Personally, I never found ANYTHING wrong with the CURRENT battery pack! And I'd sure rather have twice the shots than switch for some tube where I gotta pick up a ton of AAA's before each weekend. I'm with the others who think that all we need are some nice grips! But nice designs, AGD!

OSM

[Chupas2]

I really do not see a problem with the battery pack now. Leave it how it is.

[gmag]

I love the original battery pack on the E-mag. This new one ruins the flow of the design. It doesn't look good. Keep the original and make a slip-on grip like Shartley said.
~Brett

[ah137]

To tell you the truth the only way I would be able to pick one is to hold the complete set up. I for sure don't like the removable battery packs with the block. Having a fixed battery is fine with me; the only time I take the battery off is to charge it. Put a charging jack on the bottom and it would be perfect, wouldn't have to worry about the battery not coming off because the drop is in the way. I think the angled looks pretty good, I would like to see a picture with a little less angle, in-between the vertical and angled. later Hills

[ah137]

like this? your thoughts

[Temo Vryce]

Originally posted by Load SM5
However, instead of round or block I would kind of like to see something in between. A nice oval grip would be nice. Then you could use Shatley's idea of slip on grip covers in different colors and designs. That way no one would really be calling for milled battery packs.

I have to agree with Load SM5 here. An oval battery pack would look best. For the removeable option I have to agree with Manike and say that the block on top needs to be milled to flow ino the battery pack. Would it be possible to make an oval Battery pack using the current battery pack internals?

Angled vs. Straight: I would have to vote straight myself. I don't like the look of the angled battery pack. Mind you I was thinking of a double Zgrip Emag for the Fantasy contest from last year, but that's another story.

Tom once again you have honoured us by asking our opinion on something that you are t rying to produce for us. I can only hope that the advice we give you will help you to make the best possible marker you can.

If we could harness the power in the Honour, Loyality, Friendship, Respect and Love that the people in this forum have for your products and each other, we could power the world for forever and a day.

[Riotz]

I don't really like the vertical foregrip that is perm attached. I looks like it may be too close to the trigger frame. However, just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not a good idea. Some other people out there might prefer it.

BTW, they do make NiMH AAA bateries.

[Hysperion]

i think all of them look kinda ugly and i personally like the current emag grip. it's comfortable and looks good...

[Dubstar112]

I like the shape that is currently out.. like somone said above... make it an option

[Gecko]

Stock battery pack all the way,
One thing i have noticed, once people actually own an emag they stop complaining about how "big" it is. I wonder how much of it is people just saying change it becuse they heard it was uncomfortable.
Gecko

[Webmaster]

Love the direction. I think either the drop down - or the 15 degree angle would rule. Maybe have either option?


BUT - you need to ehance the look of the forgrip. Dont make it just a rectangluar prism or cylinder - put some design into it - make it appealing to the eye and touch!

[zads27]

Sorry Tom, the permanent one looks okay, the removable one.. well, unless it costs pennies to make, and only a few dollars to buy.. I wouldn't go for it, the removable one especially doesn't look aesthetically pleasing..
as much as i hate to say it, aesthetics are a large part of paintball markers.

[RT_Luver]

My opinion is if your gunna change for for grip,ave it straightand put some carvings in it to make it look better.If you could find a way to make it removable with out the big square block cuz that makes it look quit dumb to me.ALSO I say if these things are to hard to fix then just stick with the original.I always liked the original.

[SlipknotX556]

nice tom very nice :D

[G-Rexx]

I agree w/ Gecko, I like the look anf feel of the original, and it is a non-issue while playing. Who would want to diminish battery capacity anyway. My E-Mag feels fine.

[FooTemps]

HMMM... I thought the mag battery wouldn't change THAT much. If you made the design closer to the original I would like it more. The round grip battery is cool but I'd still like a different design over it... Mind if i give it a shot at redesigning it?

[jurassic]

Do not have an Emag yet, but the original battery pack has a style and flair that flows smoothly and complements the Emag and especially the Extreme. Please do not change it or at least if requested by others, have the round one as a option. Better yet as has been mentioned already some subtle slide on grips would be outstanding. Besides the extra life of the original battery is what I want on my Extreme!! Still an honest effort to keep Mag owners happy.
;)

[RT 01037]

To tell you the truth i like the batterie that comes with the e-mag now. the angled grip to me looks really dumb. on the other hand i agree about having an oval grip i think that would look really nice also.

[FooTemps]

Oh crap... My idea was crap... I tried putting the grip parallel to the barrel for a more egro design for attacking and tucking. It looked horrible but it would be more comfy when tucking and firing. Do you guys still have my fantasy emag entry? It didn't look so good but it was my best picture of that idea.

[pito189]

I personally like the angled battery pack. I don't think that it needs to be made with AAA batteries though. Just make an angled normal style battery pack. That would be comfortable.

[Snooky]

Shartley is the best idea yet and very good for marketing. go rubber customizable grips!

[zvanut]

i think stay with the original design and mill/gut it out. looks better for the e-mag imo

[Lone Gunman]

Me no likey.

I personaly like the old battery pack. The idea for slip on covers sounds like a good idea.

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by vf-xx
Footemps you got to the idea before I did.

Tom: Why don't you mount the battery parallel to the barrel and then add a spot to mount a aftermarket grip. Maybe a dummy ASA or just a threaded hole.

That way everybody can have what they want.

I actually meant for it to be a 0* foregrip. Kinda like how you hold assult rifles in the real gun world. There would be a space between the barrel and the grip though so you can change your grip for good tucking... Just imagine it and you'll figure it out.

Edit: It could be 0* or 180* depending on which direction you're looking at it (counterclockwise and clockwise) but you get my point, foregrip parallel to the barrel with about 1 inch clearance.

[marc]

What is up with the ithree different trigger frame stlyes. I like the last one the best, but if you could make one with out the old battery rail (like pic 2 is I think). have the detachable battery, but have the screw in square part shorter, would look really nice. I like that look because it looks like you could fit a finger in the space where the rail was, but I dont like the big square because it just look off.

[TITAN]

sorry tom but that is really ugly
i think the normal original emag battery pack looks the best

[crakonpr]

normal ones are better

[ShinyGuy]

The new designs are nice. It'd be a tough decision between the angled one and the old style. I do like the standard battery, don't drop it.

[wolverine85929]

I have to say stay with the original battery. I like the idea of the bigger rechargeable battery that can run the warp and the loader. charge one battery and play all day.
I like the idea of grips or covers with colors or jems, gives people some choises for customizing there own marker.

[damageinc54]

Just keep the battery pack the way it is and do some milling on it. Put some small finger groves in it or something. I do not understand why you did not mill some finger grooves into the grip frame also. At the moment I am much more interseted in the 4500 flatline on that gun. What is the holdup with the 4500's??? I am on the verge picking up a new Max Flow or an Apocolypse if you do not get the flatline out in the next month.

[Miscue]

Ghetto. :)

What about this (add your own foregrip):

<IMG SRC="../~Miscue/richmag3.jpg">

Make a tank cover with a pocket in it for the battery, short wire from battery to EMag grip frame.

[Kaiser Bob]

I have to agree with Shartley and Thordic about the battery. The battery cover idea would seem to work well IMO, and it wouldent cost nearly as much to develop and put out.

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by Miscue
Ghetto. :)

What about this (add your own foregrip):

<IMG SRC="../~Miscue/richmag3.jpg">

Make a tank cover with a pocket in it for the battery, short wire from battery to EMag grip frame.

I wanted to do that for the fantasy emag contest but i couldn't find a way to make an image to show that...

[InfinatyBPS]

I some how missed this thread, just wonna say, i think it looks great. Better than that ugly square thing...

[Croix71]

I'd like to have the option of both. It gives the buyer a choice.

[zads27]

Well since this came back up to top,
I think Tom wants to head for the removable type, to be retrofittable (easily) to existing E-mags and E-mag variants.

So I just made this little sketch for my idea.
A little more milling and metal though. Basically it's to fit with the contours of the body better, and aesthetics is very much the current trump card in paintball today. Basically it adds curves to the sides where the field strip holds the battery in, and blends the circular battery pack in with the trigger guard, instead of being so abrupt (sorry Tom) in Tom's design.

Sorry bout the nasty looking picture, I'm on my friend's computer, it's 5 am, and she only has "paint".. no photoshop :(.

[Jordan-APL]

The old grip looks like it flows more with the gun,but i can see where you are going with this new one too.How bout milling some finger grooves in it and make it pretty.

[luke]

Angled forgrips only as an option please.
Round & vertical is cool.

[oneshot]

my vote is for either 3 or 4, the ones that have the grip come strait down.:D

[Gup44]

I don't like the round fore-grip... Looks ugly. The current one looks way better. I would take synreal's idea and put some cool milling (ie the bio hazard symbol, scorpion, etc) on the battery housing.

BTW... Miscue, I love those pics you did!! VERY nice!

Also, I hope Tom isn't holding up production of the C&C Extreme for this crap... Make it an aftermarket option and worry about it later. The regular battery pac looks awesome. Get the damn thing done and GET IT IN MY HANDS!! If you wait to much longer to release the gun, you're going to loose my sale and probably others.

Did anyone hear how the prototype did in LA? Is AGD going forward with the design? What's the deal?

[skirts]

i think the idea of a smaller round front forgrip is one of the best ideas for the emag, the 3rd and 4th pic that you posted tom is AWESOME. its soo much more comfortable and it makes the gun look sooo much lighter, if someone thinks the gun is lighter it will be to them, its all about preception.

power to the round front forgrips
down with the square ones

skirts

[Chupas2]

I'd have to disagree with Skirts, but I personally do not use the foregrip. If it looks different it will not make it look lighter.

[tremis]

Round is good, I like the non removable one. Oval would be OK too. The angled one looks ridiculous. close to the triggerguard is fine. Just like a normal mag. I would never put a slip on grip on my battery pack, not for a thousand dollars. As far as milling in it, leave it smooth and straight. Then customizers can turn it down anyway they want, just like the extreme body. BBT could do one that matches the SFL, Manike could do one that matches the C&C and a smooth one would match a plain extreme. How stupid would it look to have a fore grip with a bunch of kool machine work and a body with none. And a normal E mag doesnt have a bunch of neat-O millwork, so straight and smooth would match that too. smaller is better. Remember this game isnt one of inches, its a game of millimeters. The smaller and tighter you can make something, the better off you'll be. After all thats the point of the warp and 68ci 4500s over 114 3000s. I never used a VL3000 because it held more, it was too big, could be a similar thing here. In this case, its like the VL3000 was made before a VL2000.
Thats my opinion.

Tremis

[MajorDamage]

The straight one looks ok, but the other one looks pug fugly. I like the regular battery pack better though.

ENDO!

[MikeCouves]

Well I personally DO NOT like the look of the round. Emags look "right" with the big battery pack. It makes them look like they are complete. And a bunch of AAA's? Uggh, sounds like that could suck. A nice rechargeable sounds better.

I say keep em as they are, I like em!

[Oddball]

Want I want is put the battery onto the tank like what Miscue is talking about. I may try to jerry-rig something like that up once I get an Emag. It can't be that hard right.

[~Backdraft~]

Personally i really like the second pic, with the foregrip angled. It would allow for a bigger drop to fit in. And Kudos to that! I really like the new design. I always found that the original e-mag batteries were just big and bulky, just my opinion though. Does kinda suck that you wont be able to get as many shots off though, but hey, i'd rather have angled, smaller, and lighter...than straight, big, and bulky.

[RT_Luver]

how bout no change. keep it with the original

[Bad_Knees]

Tom,

Have you considered looking into different NiMh batteries? The ones that are used in the cel phone and mobile electronics industry are getting a little smaller but can still pack enough juice to run other equipment. Maybe reworking some of the current draw on the emag or any other components you can pul off a fully integrated emag with a smaller source battery. I'm waiting to get my micro so I can discover the world of the "Mag".

[sajohnston]

I like the straight one with a high quality rechargeable (lith-ion, etc).

[WickeDKlowN]

i like it


also, i know this is a bit off topic, but what kind of emag body is that? is it one of the extremes or something else