TAC ONE not fring like it should

[PO-BOY]

my tac one isnt reseting its self after some shots. i changed the spring out and still doing the same thing. this TAC sat up for 3 years, and im new to this type of gun. any help would be great thanks.

[OPBN]

What sort of valve? Classic or X? If Classic does it have a level X or not Level 7 bolt? Sounds initially like it could be bolt stick.

[PO-BOY]

What sort of valve? Classic or X? If Classic does it have a level X or not Level 7 bolt? Sounds initially like it could be bolt stick.
X valve. if is it bolt stick how do i fix it?

[Fatalis]

http://forums.warpig.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=137

All the info you will need

[PO-BOY]

didnt really help but thanks. ill just call them monday.

[Ando]

You need to tune your lvl 10. Remove all your shims and go up in your carrier size (Remember to use the same white carrier oring when changing out carriers). If it doesn't leak down the barrel go up to the next carrier, continue that till it vents and go back down to the one that didn't leak. Trip the lvl 10 to make sure it's working and reseting. If not, add one shim at a time till it resets prorperly.

That should fix your bolt stick issue.

[OPBN]

Did the marker come with any extra carriers and Orings for the level X bolt? If not, you may want to see if you can either find some through the BST forums here or take yours apart, find out which carrier size is in your powertube and order the two smaller ones and some o rings from AGD.

[athomas]

Trip the lvl 10 to make sure it's working and reseting. If not, add one shim at a time till it resets prorperly.To add to this, if it vents in any way, then adding shims won't help. Shims just allow it to vent sooner so that any bolt movement forward will allow the bolt stem vent hole to become exposed so that it can release air and reset. Most of the time you will never need shims. The bolt will almost always move far enough to release air in any situation.

[PO-BOY]

thanks guys for all the info and help. these x valves are a bit tricky to tune the first time around. and me being new to these guns doesnt help lol. again thanks for all the help. :D

[Henchman]

First, drop 5-6 drops of oil into the Asa and then make sure you didn't over tighten the fieldstripmscrew. Air it up, and fire it 15-20 times.

[PO-BOY]

First, drop 5-6 drops of oil into the Asa and then make sure you didn't over tighten the fieldstripmscrew. Air it up, and fire it 15-20 times.

how much is not over tighten the screw? its just hand tight. thanks. i had to beat the back of it to reset itself. and my hand is starting to hurt!

im going to order a parts kit and change the cairrer ring out, if that doesnt work im just going to sell it. :(

[Henchman]

how much is not over tighten the screw? its just hand tight. thanks. i had to beat the back of it to reset itself. and my hand is starting to hurt!

im going to order a parts kit and change the cairrer ring out, if that doesnt work im just going to sell it. :(
Instead of a parts kit, send it to Dave at AGD, and he'll get it back to you in tip top shape.

[athomas]

You should order the parts kit. It is something you should have at your disposal in case of a piece of dirt or debris damaging an oring.

If you had to hit the back of the valve to get it to reset, then the oring is too tight. That means you need to use the next larger carrier size to expand the inner diameter of the oring to reduce the friction on the bolt stem. What size carrier are you using now?

[PO-BOY]

You should order the parts kit. It is something you should have at your disposal in case of a piece of dirt or debris damaging an oring.

If you had to hit the back of the valve to get it to reset, then the oring is too tight. That means you need to use the next larger carrier size to expand the inner diameter of the oring to reduce the friction on the bolt stem. What size carrier are you using now?


i dont know. im very new to this type of marker. i got it in a trade. how do i tell the size of it?

[Henchman]

i dont know. im very new to this type of marker. i got it in a trade. how do i tell the size of it?
Which is why I would send it to AGD.

[sQuidvision]

i dont know. im very new to this type of marker. i got it in a trade. how do i tell the size of it?
take a look at the outside of the carrier... the size system uses lines and dots. Lines are full sizes, Dots are half sizes. the more lines the bigger the size.

[athomas]

Don't follow the AGD instructions exactly. We have found a few tweaks over the years that negate some of the original thoughts that are in the original instructions.

The carriers are sized using lines and dots. Each line represents a 1 and a series of dots represents 0.5. Eg; 2 lines and dots equals size 2.5. Carriers range from size 0 to 3.5 but most people only have from 0 to 2.5 and most new kits have even less.

When tuning your level 10, remove all the shims from the powertube before starting. They don't affect the operation but they can cause false leaks which cause you to use a carrier size that is too tight. Don't put them back when you are done. You shouldn't ever need them.

For carrier sizing:

Find the carrier size that causes the installed oring to fit freely over the bolt stem. The carrier should sit on the bolt stem without moving if the bolt is held in a vertical position. If you tap the valve on a hard surface, the carrier should be loose enough to allow the bolt to move. If you have to force the carrier onto the bolt stem with any force at all, then it is too tight. Install the bolt and valve into the gun. When aired up there should be no leaking. If it leaks, take the carrier out and replace it with the next smaller size. Always use the same white carrier oring in each carrier that you use. It is the orings that you are adjusting. Try it again. You want to use the largest carrier size that does not produce a leak.

Any time that the gun fires and does not reset or short strokes and does not reset, or just chuffs and does not reset, the problem is most likely a carrier that is too tight. Installing shims will not help. Shims only help if the bolt moves, hits an object but does not vent any air, and then cannot reset because the chamber is still fully charged. Most of the time the bolt always moves far enough to expose the vent hole, get rid of excess air, and then reset.

For spring adjustment:

You want to use the bolt spring that allows you to shoot about 20fps above the lowest velocity that the gun will cycle at. So, if you want to use the gun at 280fps, then your desired lower limit of operation is 260fps. Insert your long bolt spring. Turn the velocity adjuster down before you air up the valve. Then gradually turn up the velocity until the gun will cycle. This is your lower velocity. Measure it. If it is above 265fps, then you will need a shorter spring or you will need to clip the one you have (unless you have red one. They are usually in the correct range). If you clip a spring, only clip half a coil at a time and then try it using the same procedure of starting with a low velocity setting. Make sure you put the cut end of the spring towards the bolt. If you have the short spring installed, and the lower range is 30fps below the desired shooting velocity, I wouldn't worry about using a stiffer spring and would just go with the short bolt spring. If it was much lower than that, I would definately clip a long spring to get closer to the desired range.

[Henchman]

I jus use the gold spring. Seems to work without issues.

[athomas]

I jus use the gold spring. Seems to work without issues.Yes, the gold spring is the most versatile. It works in all situations and still gives adequate chop protection for most paint. The only paint you really need to tune the bolt spring for is really brittle tournament paint.