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Apparently Rainman is doing a preorder for kits over on MCB and I missed the boat. Trying to get him to raise his run so if anyone is interested in a lot PLEASE go over and post up in the thread.
BigEvil
07-08-2013, 08:24 PM
'SMACK!'
(Post a link)
Frizzle Fry
07-08-2013, 08:28 PM
I missed this too... I caught the part where he was considering it a few days ago but nothing beyond that.
captian pinky
07-08-2013, 08:33 PM
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/rainmans-custom-corner/235245-mag-pump-kit-10.html#post2752873
'SMACK!'
(Post a link)
On my cell and its a PITA to do. Thanks Capt.
barkingspider
07-08-2013, 09:03 PM
It's my understanding you haven't missed out on getting a mag pump kit, just the limited quantity of presale slots which are priced at a reduced rate. I believe he is doing a run of them and they will be for sale. He did the presale after many people were begging to get the project off the ground by footing some of the bill upfront with material cost. Therefore, he offered a presale to help offset the upfront cost of doing the project.
tbaggin
07-09-2013, 12:25 AM
I asked if he would up the run too. Hope he makes more
keiko_819
07-09-2013, 12:32 AM
He upped the quantity already...don't see why he wouldn't do it again? I may have someone else who may be interested in another pump kit also...
Get on this ASAP. He doesn't make these very often. Last run was April 2010. They are truly the best mag kits out there.
knownothingmags
07-11-2013, 05:14 PM
I posted up but no word if he is keeping spots open or making more slots available.
Wasn't he saying that he would reprogram the kit so that it would be easier to do smaller batches of them?
rseb4agze
07-13-2013, 01:43 PM
I'm in for X1. I've already posted on the original tread on MCB if he would be willing to expand the preorder:)
Looks like he added 10 more slots!!! Got mine..
Looks like he added 10 more slots!!! Got mine..
Thanks for the heads up! Got my spot on the preorder now :bounce:
knownothingmags
07-13-2013, 06:50 PM
how do I pay ? where do I send the money?
how do I pay ? where do I send the money?
http://www.rainman229.com/preorder.shtml
knownothingmags
07-13-2013, 09:26 PM
got it thanks.
El Zilcho
07-16-2013, 01:22 PM
Just in case people want to follow the build:
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/rainmans-custom-corner/237755-p-mag-kits-update.html#post2758184
El Zilcho
09-04-2013, 05:45 AM
Looks like Rainman is going to be making pump kits for Emag length rails after the run of AM/MM length pump kits :clap: At least that is my understanding. Not sure if this had been determined previously but I figured it might be of interest to some.
Well..... got my pump kit in today from Rainman and having some major bindage. I think there is an issue with the pump plate that fits up next to the rail. Think there was a mistake in the radiusing (term?). Rail does not sit exactly flush with plate. Only a MM or so, but seems to cause it to bind.
El Zilcho
10-25-2013, 10:52 AM
Well, that is not what I wanted to hear. Hope things get worked out.
Well, that is not what I wanted to hear. Hope things get worked out.
Should be easily remedied, but will either require people to round the edges of the rail (worst case) or RM will have to take the plates back and repair them.
BLachance75
10-25-2013, 01:04 PM
Is it possible that it is your rail.
knownothingmags
10-25-2013, 01:06 PM
ill check mine when they come in.
Is it possible that it is your rail.
Fits same way on another rail.
Edit: Just to clarify, I am simply posting up to make sure people check theirs when they get them. Claudio has always been a stand up guy as far as I know and sure he will make things right. Just wanted to post up so people didn't get them, put them in a drawer and not find out until a year or more later.
keiko_819
10-25-2013, 02:20 PM
Damn didn't know he was already shipping out...I'll find out if I have any issues.
Here is a pic showing what I am talking about:
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn308/oldpbnoob/DSCN8744_zps232e5100.jpg
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn308/oldpbnoob/DSCN8740_zps001214cc.jpg
PBLife
10-25-2013, 05:39 PM
Any news from RM about this?
Yep, the AM has a goofy angle in that spot (51*) can't buy a standard tool to machine it. I seen several different approaches to work around it...
I don't have anything to go by as this is the only RM kit I have. I know that the stock AM kit that I have fits totally flush with the bottom of the rail and so does the XM15 kit. I did get a PM back from him saying that he thought the rail channel might be too narrow since his pump rod/arm whatever is thicker than the AGD one. I personally don't think that's it. When I pull the assembly apart and slide the pump arm in and out, it slides freely. As soon as I put everything together and snug up the front mounting screw it binds.
OPBN, I'll pm you the info I believe he needs for the fix and you can pass it on to him.
Being told that "this is how my kits have mounted from day 1". Not exactly the response I was hoping for.
Same issue here :(
http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s588/SidedraftDats/Thread%20Pics%20No%20Delete/RainmanPump_zpseb338e4b.jpg (http://s1307.photobucket.com/user/SidedraftDats/media/Thread%20Pics%20No%20Delete/RainmanPump_zpseb338e4b.jpg.html)
Same issue here :(
http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s588/SidedraftDats/Thread%20Pics%20No%20Delete/RainmanPump_zpseb338e4b.jpg (http://s1307.photobucket.com/user/SidedraftDats/media/Thread%20Pics%20No%20Delete/RainmanPump_zpseb338e4b.jpg.html)
Is yours binding? If so, please contact him on MCB.
Is yours binding? If so, please contact him on MCB.
Unfortunately I have no way of knowing at this point, as none of my classic rails are pump milled. I was planning on doing that myself as soon as I get around to wiring up my mill... which probably wont be for a few more weeks. I'm a picky bastard, and having that gap there is going to bug me... I'll probably end up fixing it myself I guess.
barkingspider
10-26-2013, 07:23 PM
Mine works with problems. It's actually pretty good and doesn't bind or hang up with a pump stroke. I put a little graphite in the milled channel and everything seems to stroke fairly smooth. When I assembled I took the pump handle off and loosed the screws in hopes that any malaligned parts would align with a few initial pump strokes.
I had Luke mill my rail awhile ago
I had Luke mill my rail awhile ago
Luke... do you mill the pump slot to AGD specs? Or do you open it up a little to make way for a beefier pump rod?
AGD spec.
The correct rod 'material' is available if you know what and where to buy, 'perhaps' it's a mystery...
(EDIT #3)lol
AGD spec.
The correct rod 'material' is available if you know what and where to buy, 'perhaps' it's a mystery...
What diameter is the 'correct' material?
The pump rod that came with my kit measures in at 0.125"
Material diameter should be 0.110"
Material diameter should be 0.110"
Thanks Luke!
I had a chance to examine this thing a little closer this morning. Just noticed that the mounting hole and slot are machined 0.020" off center :(
Notice how the slot cuts into the chamfer on one side but not on the other.
http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s588/SidedraftDats/Thread%20Pics%20No%20Delete/RainmanPumpHole2_zps905624ad.jpg (http://s1307.photobucket.com/user/SidedraftDats/media/Thread%20Pics%20No%20Delete/RainmanPumpHole2_zps905624ad.jpg.html)
http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s588/SidedraftDats/Thread%20Pics%20No%20Delete/RainmanPumpHole1_zpscd73dce0.jpg (http://s1307.photobucket.com/user/SidedraftDats/media/Thread%20Pics%20No%20Delete/RainmanPumpHole1_zpscd73dce0.jpg.html)
OPBN, from your pic it looks like yours may be the same way. It this perhaps contributing to the binding issue?
I had a chance to examine this thing a little closer this morning. Just noticed that the mounting hole and slot are machined 0.020" off center :(
Notice how the slot cuts into the chamfer on one side but not on the other.
OPBN, from your pic it looks like yours may be the same way. It this perhaps contributing to the binding issue?
The closer I look, yes it does appear that it is very slightly off center. I will say that the milling for the pump arm does not appear to be as high up as yours either. There is no threading visible...
captian pinky
10-27-2013, 01:15 PM
i had a pump kit that was made by him awhile back. picked it up 2nd hand. noticed the pump was binding really bad on other rails. his pump plate was not machined properly. i send him a pm about it and he said that he would be happy to sell me another pump plate after he finished the run he just did. i sold the kit because i refused to buy a plate. im going to be really mad if my kit that is coming in the mail is not correct.
knownothingmags
10-27-2013, 08:32 PM
so are these kits kinda messed up then. both of mine look like all the complaints here.
whats next?
so are these kits kinda messed up then. both of mine look like all the complaints here.
whats next?
Not sure. So far all I have gotten is "your rail isn't milled as deep as mine are".
Just saw a post in MCB of someone else complaining that theirs is binding as well.
knownothingmags
10-27-2013, 11:14 PM
Not sure. So far all I have gotten is "your rail isn't milled as deep as mine are".
Just saw a post in MCB of someone else complaining that theirs is binding as well.
this is unusual for rainman correct?
captian pinky
10-27-2013, 11:22 PM
here ya go
The gap in between the rail and mount has been there since the first kit. It how ever does not cause any issues. I have tested a few kits and each have the same result
zero binding.
In the past i have seen more kits bind form the body and aa/mm rail then my kits.
Other binding issues Are i could of incorrectly curved the pump rod. That is an issue that can be corrected on your own.
Video shows 2 kits just put on rails and body's i just milled in the last hour. they show no binding or sticking
Pump stroke on a kit should be less the .400 (bunch of people on the last run want them this we and i left it that way)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eFMW0FSZzb4
If you want to send your kits back fine. But if i test it on my rail and body and work fine you will be charge the return shipping and it will be sent back.
If you want to send your complete mag and have it corrected that's fine. But you my be charged depending on whats found.
These kits were always intended for my milling. They always had issues with stock agd milling. Due to size of the pump rods.
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so are these kits kinda messed up then. both of mine look like all the complaints here.
whats next?
I have not attempted to contact Rainman yet. Since I don't have a pump milled rail handy, I can't say with certainty whether mine is going to bind or not.
All functionality concerns aside, I can say that I'm not a fan of the mounting plate being visibly lopsided. I've also noticed that my pump handle isn't exactly concentric with the round plate that it mounts to. It's a very slight misalignment and something I'd be willing to let go, just curious if anyone else has noticed this? There's also a very slight flat spot on the edge of it, where it looks like he ran off the edge of his material with the part.
Frankly... with what I've heard about Rainman's work, I was expecting the quality to be a bit better.
Seems to me that Rainman ought to re make the mounting plates for us. What do you guys think?
Other binding issues Are i could of incorrectly curved the pump rod.
These kits were always intended for my milling.
They always had issues with stock agd milling. Due to size of the pump rods.
I call BS! It's just as easy to make the parts to AGD spec as not. This just causes trouble down the road for unsuspecting customers.
captian pinky
10-28-2013, 12:01 AM
just want to post what i was talking about earlier in the event that someone had the same issue i did in the past. one of the plates i have been using for years the other was one that came to me 2nd hand, but should never have made it out of his shop.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/DSC00971_zps57d7b71f.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/DSC00971_zps57d7b71f.jpg.html)
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/DSC00966_zpsc8e96814.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/DSC00966_zpsc8e96814.jpg.html)
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/DSC00961_zpsd9fd36fc.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/DSC00961_zpsd9fd36fc.jpg.html)
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/DSC00957_zps18fe708f.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/DSC00957_zps18fe708f.jpg.html)
Interesting. I have one of his older pump kits but I haven't been able to test it as I don't yet have a pump milled rail.
These kits were always intended for my milling. They always had issues with stock agd milling. Due to size of the pump rods.
Yeah, I am not thrilled with this statement. Had I been told that I had to send my rail in for HIS specific milling, I would have thought twice. So essentially, this makes it a specific pump kit/rail combo from here on out. What is sad is, I am pretty certain that simply milling the pump plate correctly would correct the problem, at least in my case.
BLachance75
10-28-2013, 07:42 AM
It is kind of disappointing ask was hoping to use the Armada rail from Luke. The only positive for me is that one of the mags in his test video was mine.
Luke, do you think that if I sent you his rail and the Armada rail you could try to widen the channel on the Armada to match. Or do you think you can mill his rail with only the exterior profile of the Armada rail.
I can't answer for Luke obviously, but why not mod the mounting plate instead of Lukes beautiful work?
need4reebs
10-28-2013, 08:26 AM
well here is a post of his pump kits that clearly show that there is no gap between tha rail pump kit mount...maybe that was before day one tho...haha...oh wait thats not possible??? my last Rainman229 pump kit didnt have a gap and it didnt have any binding issues on any rail that was used.
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/rainmans-custom-corner/31036-pmag-thread-4.html
that little gap is most likely wats causing tha binding issues....and as quickly as yall put your money in his pocket to get him tha cashola to do this run...he should have no problem fixing a mistake. id be pissed!!!
bbotts77
10-28-2013, 08:29 AM
So...
What would it take to put the correct pump rod stock on one of these? I bought a kit from one of his previous batches, but haven't had a chance to even take it out of the bubble wrap, yet and don't have a pump-milled rail/body combo to test it on.
Ok. So today I got in my pump milled Armada rail from Luke and decided to try the RM pump kit on it.... Doesn't bind. Not sure what to think at this point honestly. The rail that it was binding on is currently on its way to Luke for some additional milling so I am going to ask him to check the depth on it to see if it was a problem with the rail.
El Zilcho
10-28-2013, 10:40 AM
Is there still a gap between the Armada rail and RM bracket?
Is there still a gap between the Armada rail and RM bracket?
Yes.
I'm going to take some time this afternoon and tear apart my other pump Mag to see if the kit binds in that rail.
captian pinky
10-28-2013, 04:45 PM
honestly if mine comes with a .125 rod im going to pull it off and make my own. is not hard to do just requires a die and correct rod. im sure he did the .125 rod because its easier and cheaper to get. i believe the correct diameter is 3mm if i remember right.
did find these on my computer though
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BLachance75
10-28-2013, 05:11 PM
Wouldn't you need to get a new back plate. If Rainman tapped them .125 how are you going to thread in a .110 rod. You'll either have to get a new plate or fill the hole then rethread it.
captian pinky
10-28-2013, 06:37 PM
it will not be perfect but i do believe there is a range in which the threads work. but i might even try throwing it in a drill and sanding it until it worked. its been along day not sure if that made since.
captian pinky
10-29-2013, 08:33 PM
and of course mine looks like crap. I listed the problems i saw with my kit below.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/null_zps23409dcf.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/null_zps23409dcf.jpg.html)
threads look like crap.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/null_zps64e84fde.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/null_zps64e84fde.jpg.html)
hole is not deburred.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/null_zps9c33e068.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/null_zps9c33e068.jpg.html)
oval is off center like everyone else.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/null_zps84250b72.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/null_zps84250b72.jpg.html)
handle mounted off center
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/null_zpsd5b19a6b.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/null_zpsd5b19a6b.jpg.html)
anno blem
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/null_zpsa8bd150d.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/null_zpsa8bd150d.jpg.html)
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/null_zps837e7727.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/null_zps837e7727.jpg.html)
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/null_zps1b35914e.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/null_zps1b35914e.jpg.html)
flat spots on the pump plate at the bottom.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/null_zpsc986995f.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/null_zpsc986995f.jpg.html)
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/null_zps2add0d1c.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/null_zps2add0d1c.jpg.html)
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/null_zps1a85fed2.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/null_zps1a85fed2.jpg.html)
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/null_zps4541c361.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/null_zps4541c361.jpg.html)
not to mention this isn't even the same handle design he had before.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k92/ninjasuperman/null_zps7e841fef.jpg (http://s86.photobucket.com/user/ninjasuperman/media/null_zps7e841fef.jpg.html)
In checking mine closer, I do have the same issues described above. I consider the deburing and threading non issues. The other flaws in my case don't necessarily matter as I will be getting everything anodized again or it will be covered, but they are there.
debruynda
10-30-2013, 10:54 AM
These are the new ones? Sucks but thanks for posting I was going to buy one but not now.
captian pinky
10-30-2013, 12:08 PM
the threads are actually pretty rough on that rod and could have done a better job myself. the deburring was not really an issue but when i purchase something brand new i expect it to be complete and ready to bolt on. If it was in the description that i would have to rethread the rod,debur the hole, mount the handle correct etc. i might aswell have made my own kit. he sent me a message and told me to mail it back to him so hopefully he replaces it with a correctly machined one.
and of course mine looks like crap. I listed the problems i saw with my kit below.
Mine looks pretty much the same, except I don't have the anno blem.
My question is... why did these leave his shop in this condition? :confused:
CLEARUSH
11-02-2013, 05:00 PM
well here is a post of his pump kits that clearly show that there is no gap between tha rail pump kit mount...maybe that was before day one tho...haha...oh wait thats not possible??? my last Rainman229 pump kit didnt have a gap and it didnt have any binding issues on any rail that was used.
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/rainmans-custom-corner/31036-pmag-thread-4.html
that little gap is most likely wats causing tha binding issues....and as quickly as yall put your money in his pocket to get him tha cashola to do this run...he should have no problem fixing a mistake. id be pissed!!!
No my pump kit mounts exactly the same way ya'll is mounting I do have the gap just like the current ones.
I've had to adjust the rod externaly since the mount point on the plate and the slot for the rod are not perfectly aligned and it caused intermittent binding. Once I had my rod adjusted to go straight into the pump slot I have not had any issues for the last several years and its is my primary.
The gap isn't the issue the pump rod needs to be adjusted externally to line up with pump rod slot and the binding should disappear.
Notice the curve of the pump rod between the pump plate and rail.
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captian pinky
11-02-2013, 05:12 PM
The pic you posted is a gen 1 kit and that issue should have been fixed before this run.
captian pinky
11-05-2013, 05:08 PM
mailed my kit back to him and he just refunded my money because he said he could not find a kit that suits my standards. not that they were that high just normal for purchasing a new part made by a machinist.
need4reebs
11-05-2013, 05:16 PM
mailed my kit back to him and he just refunded my money because he said he could not find a kit that suits my standards. not that they were that high just normal for purchasing a new part made by a machinist.
wait so now you wont have a pump kit??? thats a bummer man!!
captian pinky
11-05-2013, 05:31 PM
nope not only was i the one that started the thread that lead to the pump kits being made. i sent all the people from pbnation and AOto him. i asked multiple times to purchase a new kit from him before there was even talk of him doing a run. when he had one kit left he wouldn't sell it to me and even called me a prick. i waited patiently for months( paid jun 20th) i get my kit that has issues and he said for me to mail it to him assuming he would replace it. then i got the refunds. needless to say i am done with rainman period.
need4reebs
11-05-2013, 05:38 PM
nope not only was i the one that started the thread that lead to the pump kits being made. i sent all the people from pbnation and AOto him. i asked multiple times to purchase a new kit from him before there was even talk of him doing a run. when he had one kit left he wouldn't sell it to me and even called me a prick. i waited patiently for months( paid jun 20th) i get my kit that has issues and he said for me to mail it to him assuming he would replace it. then i got the refunds. needless to say i am done with rainman period.
WoW!!! well there was talk about more CI kits being made...so maybe that will still happen?
captian pinky
11-05-2013, 05:44 PM
post saying
can you explain please why i got the refund for the pump kit?
i thought i was sending it in to be replaced with one without issues?
was deleted twice now
Anyone know where I can get an AGD pump kit? Or are there CADs available? (Other than the pump slot and pump rod CADS)
BLachance75
11-05-2013, 08:28 PM
I asked him about the handles and this was his response.
On the handle i had a 2 choices either leave the plates as they are ccm capable or modify them to meet my handles. I choice to leave them so they ccm handles could be used. Fixing my handles are not an option as the machines there run off on are not so great. But their the only ones i have with the room to do do the drilling. Plus on another note the cost of ccm handle went up to me. And gets expensive when i mess one up drilling them out. sorry my phantom kits have the same issue as well.
I will say that he has been pretty helpful to me and has been answering any questions I've asked. I did have him mill my body/rail and everything is working good. Unfortunately due to him not using AGD specs I can't see to get my Armada rail to work.
BLachance75
11-05-2013, 08:29 PM
Anyone know where I can get an AGD pump kit? Or are there CADs available? (Other than the pump slot and pump rod CADS)
Somebody should send him an AGD kit. Then maybe we can get a Luke AGD pump kit.
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