View Full Version : So are factory RTP and Emag rails obsolete?
Looks like I'm stuck and going to have to do a run of Emag style rails, would anyone be interested in this style rail, no site mount holes or jewel recess.
All my current style rails would be available. Plus I'm going to include a Shadow style design.
This would NOT be a preorder offer, but I could offer a discount if you were will to prepay. It just helps me figure out which style rail to machine.
LMK what you guys think, whatever the case I owe a customer a rail so I need to get them done asap.
PLEASE SEE POST #42
El Zilcho
09-04-2013, 05:10 PM
I need a warp right pump milled ULE emag length rail (if possible) and could use a ULE emag length rail also. The short answer is yes x 2.
robertreed711
09-04-2013, 05:36 PM
Depending on price I could be interested on a shadow style rail.
tbaggin
09-04-2013, 06:37 PM
id be in for a shadow style rail esp if it can be pump milled. Im using a RM kit, would it be AM length
I can pre pay as well.
Pump milling takes quite a bit of room. It could be flat sided like the shadow but it wouldn't slim.
I'm not sure how deep I can go on discounts if it is over and above my current programs. Besides the manufacturing of the rails my current programs are ready to run. So, extra programming, design and machining set ups that are above a standard run would be subject to extra charges. I dont really know where that will end up, we'll just have to play it as it unfolds.
Looks like the Shadow style with pump slot is doable without blowing out the side. These would be with ULE milling, but probably only available on a prepay, not something I would stock.
El Zilcho
09-04-2013, 07:06 PM
Not to be too annoying, but would the shadow style rail have to sear axle hump?
keiko_819
09-04-2013, 07:16 PM
id be in for a shadow style rail esp if it can be pump milled. Im using a RM kit, would it be AM length
I can pre pay as well.
+ 1 for this
shadow style, pump milled, and am length...
Not to be too annoying, but would the shadow style rail have to sear axle hump?
Probably not.
I don't think former designers have really measured the rail and sear axle. The 'tip' of the sear actually bottoms out in the rail not the threaded end. What that means is the end can be ground off so the head sits further into the rail. Even with a fairly narrow rail I would rather see the head stick out a smigin rather than machine that funky tit on the side.
+ 1 for this shadow style, pump milled, and am length...
We can do that, it's even easier if more people want it. ;)
going_home
09-04-2013, 08:34 PM
My favorite RPG rail was the Mini Wave rail.
;)
My favorite RPG rail was the Mini Wave rail. ;)
I don't mind copying a rail with flat sides, but copying that design would be pushing it. ;)
dboggs79
09-04-2013, 09:18 PM
We gonna see any new luke original designs?
BTAutoMag
09-04-2013, 09:28 PM
We gonna see any new luke original designs?
x2 would only be interested if this happened
Well as I said, my plan was to run current designs but I'm already getting flooded with PM's on 'custom requests'. I'm not sure where I'm going to find time to sit down and come up with new rail designs (for everyone's approval ;) ), so if someone wants to donate a concept I'll take a look. For now I'm just going to design and program a basic slug and go from there.
lol
:) :confused::(:rofl::eek: :)
dboggs79
09-04-2013, 09:41 PM
Well as I said, my plan was to run current designs but I'm already getting flooded with PM's on 'custom requests'. I'm not sure where I'm going to find time to sit down and come up with new rail designs (for everyone's approval ;) ), so if someone wants to donate a concept I'll take a look. For now I'm just going to design and program a basic slug and go from there.
No problems there. Quit sending Luke so many custom requests! BTW, just replied to your reply on my custom request. :D
BTAutoMag
09-04-2013, 09:43 PM
if youre machining it from scratch the rail can extend past areas it minght not normally occupy,so you can take some past rail concepts and extend them halfway up the body, make a incorporated snatch grip or even make that legendary bolt on pump rail the doesnt need body milling
My idea was something akin to an asymmetrical ultralight rail with a bump out to accommodate the pump rod. My drawing kinda sucks though.
make a incorporated snatch grip
Started doing those 10 years, discontinued the concept a few years ago. ;)
I'm open to look at any drawings. If we can sell a dozen or so I will consider putting the time in. ;)
My idea was something akin to an asymmetrical ultralight rail with a bump out to accommodate the pump rod. My drawing kinda sucks though.
I was expecting you to chime in. :)
barkingspider
09-04-2013, 09:50 PM
Interested in a shadow type rail with clean sides. Out of curiosity I would love a rail design that would match the flow of your mini vert frame and concept lpr grip. With that said would the lpr grip be considered with the design for the hose channel to connect the lpr to the frame to transfer the airline? I might be jumping the gun, but thought I would ask since I would live to avoid the need for re-milling or designing.
I was expecting you to chime in. :)
Yeah... I have lots if opinions. Lol.
Chrome
09-04-2013, 10:04 PM
Not to rain on the parade (as like a lot of folks there is a unicorn of a rail I've been wanting for a while now that no one yet makes), but Luke, what kind of bind are you in? If all you need is a stock emag rail to get out of a jam, I could probably dig one out of my parts box for you.
Yeah... I have lots if opinions. Lol.
lol, I was talking about the rail we discussed awhile back. ;)
lol, I was talking about the rail we discussed awhile back. ;)
I'm going to draw something up. I think with the upcoming RM kits coming out there could be a market if people like the design.
Which rail is the kit designed for?
Interested in a shadow type rail with clean sides. Out of curiosity I would love a rail design that would match the flow of your mini very frame and concept lpr grip. With that said would the lpr grip be considered with the design for the hose channel to connect the lpr to the frame to transfer the airline? I might be jumping the gun, but thought I would ask since I would live to avoid the need for re-milling or designing.
This would caught my interest as well.
Not saying that anything else wouldn't though. ;)
Ailia
09-05-2013, 12:07 AM
A shadow style rail that took warp bodies would be an instant buy for me, does need to be long enough for an emag lower though. Been eyeballing your frames as well for a pneu build, something that matched those would be awesome too.
With that said would the lpr grip be considered with the design for the hose channel to connect the lpr to the frame to transfer the airline?
There is nothing special needed there, if the rail is uled all you would have to do is cut a small notch in the 'web' separating the first and second ule pockets. The Airline runs into the rail via a slot between the two mount screws.
My idea was something akin to an asymmetrical ultralight rail with a bump out to accommodate the pump rod. My drawing kinda sucks though.
Weren't you looking for a AM style rail?
need4reebs
09-05-2013, 04:42 AM
Well as I said, my plan was to run current designs but I'm already getting flooded with PM's on 'custom requests'. I'm not sure where I'm going to find time to sit down and come up with new rail designs (for everyone's approval ;) ), so if someone wants to donate a concept I'll take a look. For now I'm just going to design and program a basic slug and go from there.
make something new man? why keep making the same stuff? or why copy someone elses design? you have all tha machines...tha stuff to make CADs...tha material to make the rails, why not kick back for a few days and design your own rail or concept while your designing and programming the basic slug? hopefully those questions aint gonna upset ya...if they do....oooops...still had to ask!
El Zilcho
09-05-2013, 05:26 AM
Which rail is the kit designed for?
Looks like the 1st run is going to be AM/MM (winged) and he is going to make a kit for ULE rails (wingless Emag length) as he calls them.
Weren't you looking for a AM style rail?
It's changed a couple of times. The RM kits are made for AM style rails, but pretty sure it would take minor milling to make them work with an RTP flat bottom style rail. I know with the stock AGD its just a matter or milling the wings off the pump arm and tapping everything for the two mounting holes.(I'll be pming you on this earlier) To be honest, since I am not currently in the market for a new pump rail, but would be willing to buy one (depending on price) for future use.
RM is supposed to be doing another small run of RTP compatible kits, but think he is planning on making them for the RTP length as well. Sure he could be talked into making them AM length if needs as it should just be a shortening of the pump rod.
rifleman wi
09-05-2013, 08:10 AM
Started doing those 10 years, discontinued the concept a few years ago. ;)
I'm open to look at any drawings. If we can sell a dozen or so I will consider putting the time in. ;)
+1 on the Snatch Grips. I always had you mill them into the rails you did for me. Still have a few to send to you to have done also :)
make something new man? why keep making the same stuff? or why copy someone elses design? you have all tha machines...tha stuff to make CADs...tha material to make the rails, why not kick back for a few days and design your own rail or concept while your designing and programming the basic slug? hopefully those questions aint gonna upset ya...if they do....oooops...still had to ask!
Don't confuse frustration for anger. ;)
All of my current designs are new. ;)
+1 on the Snatch Grips. I always had you mill them into the rails you did for me. Still have a few to send to you to have done also :)
Started doing those 10 years ago, discontinued the concept a few years ago to introduce new designs. ;)
rifleman wi
09-05-2013, 10:03 AM
Started doing those 10 years ago, discontinued the concept a few years ago to introduce new designs. ;)
Not even if I say pretty please? ;)
I know nothing about CAD, so my understanding is null. But once you have the basics in, shouldnt tweaking it to add/remove various aspects fairly simple?
I know nothing about CAD, so my understanding is null. But once you have the basics in, shouldnt tweaking it to add/remove various aspects fairly simple?
Yes and no, it's all retaliative to perspective. The model is such a small part of the over-all process.
:)
Just for clarification.
The entire reason for this project was because I owe a customer a rail, something I will make right even if I have to make JUST one. I thought I would give everyone a chance to purchase one of my designs that would not have the side mount holes and the jewel recess in the front. To be honest I don’t really have time for this project at the moment. But I was thinking I could fast tract the project (7-10 days) because the CAD and programming is done on my current line of rails.
I was frustrated (not mad) because I don’t have time to conceptualize, design, program, prototype and fine tune machining operations on a new line of rails. Not to mention I would need to spend the time to get enough people on board to make that effort worth while. Meanwhile customer #1 is waiting for his parts.
To be honest I was just trying to slip this project in 6 months ahead of its intended schedule.
:)
BTAutoMag
09-05-2013, 10:56 AM
to bad, you signed up for this :ninja:
Patron God of Pirates
09-05-2013, 11:13 AM
I would like a pump milled, no holes, warp left/right/under, rail with 13 extra air ports and a helipad for my RC scout copter. Price IS a concern. ;)
I would like a pump milled, no holes, warp left/right/under, rail with 13 extra air ports and a helipad for my RC scout copter. Price IS a concern. ;)
Lol, and of course you dont have cad files so I can conpletely understand your concept, right? :D
to bad, you signed up for this :ninja:
lol
:) However ;) >>
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-E7S1UfFtPuU/T8KiI6YvWpI/AAAAAAAAAJA/ilOGNC8Lkro/s400/oil+drain.png
robertreed711
09-05-2013, 11:42 AM
How much are we talking about for a prepay price on an emag length shadow style rail?
Ailia
09-05-2013, 01:16 PM
I thought I would give everyone a chance to purchase one of my designs that would not have the side mount holes and the jewel recess in the front.
Can't imagine it taking too long to sell a batch of these, keeping my eyes open for the thread in dealer forums. :cool:
El Zilcho
09-05-2013, 02:43 PM
Luke, I didn't see it on your site. Can you make RTP length Beta rails?
I'm kind of leaning towards first making slug rails for the AM and RTP, both in 9.10" and 8.0" lengths (Both AGD stock lengths).
Slug rails are my designs and do not match the AGD profiles used in their rails...
How much are we talking about for a prepay price on an emag length shadow style rail?
That info can not be discussed in the paintball talk forum, sorry.
The project is just in the discussion stage at this point, I'm not sure a quick sale run is what anyone wants so I'm not sure where it's going yet, still trying to figure that out.
Luke, I didn't see it on your site. Can you make RTP length Beta rails?
Not a current design, but it can be done.
Slugs
http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii405/mtumbleson/LukesAMRail_zps67caaa5d.jpg (http://s550.photobucket.com/user/mtumbleson/media/LukesAMRail_zps67caaa5d.jpg.html)
http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii405/mtumbleson/LukesRTPRail_zps4fe3b414.jpg (http://s550.photobucket.com/user/mtumbleson/media/LukesRTPRail_zps4fe3b414.jpg.html)
keiko_819
09-05-2013, 11:03 PM
How about a design to flow with a chord body? there seems to be a match for every other body...?
Slugs
http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii405/mtumbleson/LukesAMRail_zps67caaa5d.jpg (http://s550.photobucket.com/user/mtumbleson/media/LukesAMRail_zps67caaa5d.jpg.html)
http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii405/mtumbleson/LukesRTPRail_zps4fe3b414.jpg (http://s550.photobucket.com/user/mtumbleson/media/LukesRTPRail_zps4fe3b414.jpg.html)
Oddly enough, I was getting ready to send you an AM rail to essentially do the same milling to remove the overhange on the sides....
need4reebs
09-06-2013, 07:21 AM
How about a design to flow with a chord body? there seems to be a match for every other body...?
A Dallara rail made from AM/MM length slug that is pump milled and can use a RT sear and sear pin. tha Dallara and Mini Wave rail are tha best matches for tha Chord body that ive seen. i guess it all just boils down to if Luke can/will do them? is that an option Luke?
A Dallara rail made from AM/MM length slug that is pump milled and can use a RT sear and sear pin. tha Dallara and Mini Wave rail are tha best matches for tha Chord body that ive seen. i guess it all just boils down to if Luke can/will do them? is that an option Luke?
I dont have the extra time to design anything new right now, this was just going to be a quick run to get me out of a bind.
SEE POST #42
Patron God of Pirates
09-06-2013, 11:27 AM
Lol, and of course you dont have cad files so I can conpletely understand your concept, right? :D
Yeah of course ;)
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El Zilcho
09-06-2013, 11:30 AM
Yeah of course ;)
88249
Love it!
LOL, I can do that is $30 too much? :cool:
Yeah of course ;)
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Patron God of Pirates
09-06-2013, 05:02 PM
LOL, I can do that is $30 too much? :cool:
Gah@#$! You machinists are always gouging us. ;)
Since you're making rails. I'm in the market for a AM length pump milled rail that mimics the body lines of a mini tac (smooth body in front and picatinny lines in the rear that flow with the tac body). The picatinny lines in the back aren't meant to be functional, just aesthetics. I'll pay for any extra setup fees if need be. Also looking for a custom foregrip so I can get this damn project done and sent to anno.
El Zilcho
09-12-2013, 01:31 PM
Will the availability of these depend on the results of the the "design contest" or can these be manufactured independently of the "new" designs?
I'm still going to make slug rails so I can sell my current designs without the sight rail holes. The design contest wont affect that, it looks like a flop anyway.
El Zilcho
09-12-2013, 01:37 PM
Do you have a rough time frame for the slugs and or completed rails?
Patron God of Pirates
09-12-2013, 01:43 PM
I'm still going to make slug rails so I can sell my current designs without the sight rail holes. The design contest wont affect that, it looks like a flop anyway.
You never did make it official. Your thread was just an interest gauging inquiry.
Do you have a rough time frame for the slugs and or completed rails?
I'm waiting on tooling, then I plan on doing a small run of AM and RTP style rails, that will be ASAP.
You never did make it official. Your thread was just an interest gauging inquiry.
Which thread?
Manufacturing slug rails really didn't 'pend' the general interest threads, I'm doing those anyway. This thread was to try and get some interest in a quick run of rails using my current designs but that kind of fell flat, so I just purchased an emag rail to get me out of a bind.
I will still offer a batch run price on rails whether the contest pans out or not. There doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm with the contest, which is part of the reason why I wasn't really excited about doing a bunch of design work on new rails. However it was my intention to submit a design in the contest if I saw some the potential in the thread taking off, but it does not look promising.
But really it's not that big of a deal, I'm not saying you will never see new designs, but this is a good indication on to structure my time. ;)
I just released the design, I'm calling it the 'Flair Back'.
Dealer thread. (http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?266216-New-Rail-Design-(9-13-13)-gt-gt-Flair-Back)
http://i550.photobucket.com/albums/ii405/mtumbleson/AGDEMagFlairBackSideProfile_zps5d510604.jpg (http://s550.photobucket.com/user/mtumbleson/media/AGDEMagFlairBackSideProfile_zps5d510604.jpg.html)
debruynda
09-14-2013, 08:58 AM
If you are going to run some rails, and from the thread it sounds like you will get around to it eventually, I'll be good for a couple RTP style, ule'd for sure and profiled if that option(s) are available
Since you're making rails. I'm in the market for a AM length pump milled rail that mimics the body lines of a mini tac (smooth body in front and picatinny lines in the rear that flow with the tac body). The picatinny lines in the back aren't meant to be functional, just aesthetics. I'll pay for any extra setup fees if need be. Also looking for a custom foregrip so I can get this damn project done and sent to anno.
I can probably add these in, but I need a body to pull geometry off of to make sure everything lines up.
BTAutoMag
09-14-2013, 09:36 PM
Do we have a ballpark on cost yet?
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