First strike capable automag

[GoatBoy]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U_YOWMpl000/Uje37LUGlVI/AAAAAAAAGMw/H5nc-zoGwBM/s640/DSCF1572.JPG


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq_KY9yuYw4

[Freedy500]

Just when I think im "custom" or "cool" or "special" you show me up and put me in my place.

That is a beautiful build!

[BTAutoMag]

Awesome

[rukh013]

so nice

[PBLife]

Very cool. Love the concept. Have you test fired it yet?

[need4reebs]

:hail:sa weet!!!!!!!!!!:hail:

[Frizzle Fry]

Dear Goatboy,

How much? Can you make me one? Do you own the 3D printer? Can you make one that's got a powerfeed but can switch to the rotary magazine? Also congratulations that is awesome/beautiful and a great contribution to the platform and community.

Friz

[Nobody]

bah, just a six shooter. if i am with a hopper, i can get 200. how bout dem apples? :stick:

but its still neato and groovy.

[BigEvil]

Shut up and take my money!

[El Zilcho]

What is even more impressive is that given the state of your entertainment center, you developed this back in the mid to late 90s :)

[Arstron]

What is even more impressive is that given the state of your entertainment center, you developed this back in the mid to late 90s :)

:rofl:

Goatboy, very nice job goatboy, I want one.

[Bunny]

OP delivers! Very cool.

El Zilcho: lol :p

[kfletch]

What is even more impressive is that given the state of your entertainment center, you developed this back in the mid to late 90s :)

:rofl:

[Patron God of Pirates]

You are doing it wrong. ;)
That's very slick. Nice work.
I also like that you are consistant in your admiration for the old school. SS autmag body, CRT tv, and is that a PSONE?

[GoatBoy]

How did I know you guys would notice my 90's era backdrop? FYI when I was a kid, I didn't even have a Playstation -- that's a Super Nintendo.

Haven't formally test fired it yet; will try to do it this weekend. Inspection and manual cycling with chopstick seems to indicate it will work just fine though.



How much? Can you make me one? Do you own the 3D printer? Can you make one that's got a powerfeed but can switch to the rotary magazine?

Uh, well, I wasn't planning on letting this out of the bag but yes, you could just merge the rotary loader housing with the BT Picatinny adapter and have a DAM-like dual feed system. It would require additional work on the mag2cocker adapter and possibly the body to allow the breech to freely rotate and semi-lock, but I think it would work. Not sure if it's something I feel like undertaking at this time.

Speaking of -- this is pretty much just a prototype, and as such it was kind of expensive. My prototypes just have the bad habit of actually working. The rotary FS loader alone, with it's 3d printed parts and a few metal bits, cost about $100 in parts (I'm sure that can be easily brought down but again, this was a prototype). It doesn't work alone though -- needs a warp notched rail to lock into that still supports the classic pim style (hence why I went ahead and 3d printed one of those), barrel or adapter cut for FS rounds, and a classic body also cut for FS rounds.

So... I'm not much interested in selling these. I don't own a 3d printer (or any relevant machinery or even a decent shop) -- all these parts were drawn up in OpenSCAD and produced by Shapeways. Mechanicals aren't even my area anyways, much less actual manufacturing... I'm sure there are much more capable people in these forums for both of those tasks.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iCqFoJrFrkw/UjhgvtLVUwI/AAAAAAAAGNA/PlPAOw8xw58/s400/DSCF1576.JPG

[bbotts77]

This is awesome. Excellent job. I bet, you could probably design a q-loader-like-pod to do this as long as the "track" is the right shape.

[Laku]

Wow! :wow:

[Freedy500]

This is awesome. Excellent job. I bet, you could probably design a q-loader-like-pod to do this as long as the "track" is the right shape.

If this was done I'm the guy you want to contact. I could see if HQ likes em, if so the might make a quick run, if the do well with little to no problems and a good deal of interest then we modify it a bit, then we might have them produced to a certain extent, maybe a little something for goat boy and I would be given as a reward :D

[bbotts77]

Well, the way I see it, it definitely would not be compatible with the q-loader system. I just mean a similar spiral loader concept.

[blackdeath1k]

Add a slide setup to that and you could have it and a hopper. Just slide forward or back for what you plan to fire. Now that is sweet.

And goat. My living room TV looks lime that. Your not alone.

[Xmagterror]

cool idea!!! need to make one with a huge drum....like a tommy gun.....hmm I might make myself one

[Freedy500]

I have a really, really good idea brewing. Goat boy, could you give me the dimensions of these? I have a pretty good idea that has a very, very slim chance of working but I could talk to you and the company about it.

[GoatBoy]

My first attempt was actually to re-use the end drive section of a q-pod out of laziness. It was close, but there were just too many little things wrong with the geometry for any of those parts to work reliably. It did convince me it was a viable mechanism; just wound up being easier to redraw everything and integrate the housing + body cowl in one step anyways. That and the paddle is a bit delicate for my tastes.

Also, I figured out how to make the FS/normal paint selector. Minor changes to parts, but involves some metalwork.


Freedy500: Uh, what? 6 chambers, 0.700" bore diameter... It's actually extremely similar to the q-pod's drive section, but with thicker paddles (0.08" wall thickness). The rest of the parameters are mostly calculated from these numbers.

[Spider-TW]

How was working with shapeways?

[GoatBoy]

Shapeways is the only place I've used so far so I can't offer a comparison against the competitors.

Dealing with them is generally positive; the people answering their emails seem to be pretty responsive. The best part of this process is actually the fact that I *don't* have to talk to anyone. Upload design, pay with credit card, get parts.

The parts can be hit or miss (another reason I don't want to get into the selling of these). I got some parts back after Shapeways had been hit by Sandy and had to move production, and those were all quite bad (still getting their machines recalibrated I assume). If something is not printed properly they offer a refund or something, but I've so far been able to buff most parts into shape.

Subsequent parts came back much, much better. Turnaround time is a little better than it used to be as well; 'bout a week.

The three main parts for this loader all had minor out-of-spec'ness in some areas, but I managed to buff or work around all of them. There are certain geometries that are still difficult for their tech.

Last I checked, their online system doesn't have any sort of revision control built in, so that exercise is completely up to you currently.

So overall I've been pleased.

[GoatBoy]

Test fired today:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWzO9abzlF0

Hah, max embedded videos per post is 1?

I need to find a better dump pouch as the current one is not good for rummaging around in.

So the thing is mostly complete.

I want a new back cover because the one from Shapeways came out somewhat deformed; a clear acrylic piece should be fine, and more importantly, actually be flat.

Need a new front cover because with enough pre-winds the spring will want to shoot out the front. I can have about 12 feet of prewinds because... the spring is actually harvested from a tape measure. So I should be able to pre-wind it like at the beginning of the day practically and not worry about winding in the field. Just load paint as I go.

And maybe I'll cobble something up to make the mount a little more secure.

But so far everything works as designed.

Oh, and the number of shots is technically a full six, however if I take that 6th shot without reloading then the 7th round goes slack, and is in danger of going in sideways (although the L10 bolt is excellent at catching it). So it's 5 shots with a 6th safety shot in the chamber.

Most of the time I'm single or double shotting people with regular paint, so I think this will suit my play style fine and defeat anyone trying to count shots against me.

[BTAutoMag]

awesome

keep us posted

[Drew_72]

This is great. I know you mentioned above you're not too interested in selling them yourself, but I'd love to see you run with the idea and somehow bring it to market. I'd buy one. Please do keep us posted

[knownothingmags]

have you seen any possibility of a bigger drum? more like a tommy gun size?

ill see if I can get our printer up and up again.

[OPBN]

Neat concept but as is seems pretty impractical. Reloading time seems to be really high. Have you considered more of a "mag" concept?

[Patron God of Pirates]

I say worry about the practicality later. This is a proof of concept, and a pretty awesome one. I'm sure Goatboy already has a more efficient loading system in mind.

For some reason I would like to see this load like a cap gun. Pump players carry dozens of 10 round tubes. Maybe this could have a 6 round preloaded ring that the player could carry a whole bunch of?

Just musing.

[GoatBoy]

The design was sort of parameterized for # of chambers and bore diameter, with a few "that looks about right"isms thrown in. (Hence why I don’t have outright measurements.) I originally actually started with 5 chambers. So yeah, I could pop one out with x number of chambers, with x possibly being over 9000.

There are lots of variations of how to feed the paint (including a speed-loader like device from the back, a front-loader like on the DRV or that Krotary rifle, and even possibly a q-pod-like device), but in light of my current manufacturing level (level zero), and play style, I decided to stick with a simple, implementable design and just defer to manual dexterity. My reload time currently is dominated by rummaging around in an improperly sized dump pouch for the task. This is a fixable problem. I’m making one of those carriers like I saw on MCB, which I think will work great.

The capacity is a tradeoff against being able to continuously top up combined with low profile. I can literally reload while posted on someone, where I typically have all the time in the world to top up, and this gun I can top up one-handed. I can even top it up while moving.

Magazines are fine and all, but the problem is they require 2 hands to reload once you’ve run them dry. I haven’t seen a magazine based setup where you can reload with one hand. If you try to bring enough mags to not have to worry about it, chances are I will make it to the 50 before you do.

The closest to this is the DAM with a double-mag clip. You can change mags, and then an empty mag is available for reload right in front of you, allowing you to possibly reload, one handed, while posted on your opponents. It’s still not ideal though, and mid-mag changes on paintball guns are currently still a mess. And the DAM is too bulky for front player use. And it’s Not an Automag.

I actually played with the thing today. It took me 2 games to get used to it, but after that I found my rhythm. No problems except for me firing that 6th shot in the first game and getting the 7th shot in the chamber sideways, which I had to fix while in the snake.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nAcyWY9F00w/Uj9s4GYDIlI/AAAAAAAAGOk/CCmgflUPQOw/s640/nutshot.jpg

[BTAutoMag]

Saw this on PBN


You can make FS rounds do a 90 degree turn, but you'd have to position the mag out the front since they like to make the turn with the noses of the rounds towards the curve...
http://fubarius.com/pictures/buildoff/protomag.jpg

However, the breach drop bolt of the phantom is NOT well suited for FS rounds. You'd be quite likely to snag on the skirt of the round above the one you are feeding. This is an issue with a lot of the new mag fed semi's, and they just have slightly too big of bolts.

Best to leave the dreams of First Strike sniper shots to the bore drop pumps.

[GoatBoy]

Saw this on PBN

Yeah I saw that too. No followup on whether or not it actually works or if it's ever been mated to a gun. Problem still exists -- when you pull the follower back to load it, the stack loses pressure, and you'll only get 1 shot, and the next will either be empty or a round will fall into the breech sideways. I know someone who made a straight FS magazine, and apparently it suffers this problem.


So here's one of the games from today. Just a casual rec game. No misfeeds or anything of the sort; most of my reload time is me fumbling with 10rd tubes and pouch and not the actual reload, and a few times I reload while posted. I did get like a 100+ft single headshot through a small side window of the pill box/deer blind at 1:00 though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0BezIRgp10

[2xFast]

That is so awesome!

Any chance of open sourcing the files so others can print their own if you don't plan on making a run?

[GoatBoy]

Hi, I’m GoatBoy, and I’m addicted to FS rounds.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Tiihd5uGgrI/UXQ9haXsIRI/AAAAAAAACvo/iloAFXlDNsM/s640/protect-your-nuts-.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BlkCeoJD0Rg/UlHbbdTMdHI/AAAAAAAAGPQ/SS6XV10k-aU/w506-h285/ohainutz2.jpg

Ran around with FS rounds today. Also tested out some equipment; the FS pez dispensers were still a little tight so I need to loosen them up.

Also managed to break the ends off my impeller paddle, which looks like this:

https://images1.sw-cdn.net/model/picture/674x501_1289492_1259914_1377841863.jpg

I had been playing with a broken one without realizing so I was like… well, what happens when I break the rest of them off?

Well, the thing actually still feeds perfectly fine, but goes into free-spin (that’s what causes them to break in the first place) after the 5th shot instead of the 6th shot.

This was not surprising; I figured it was going to happen since the same problem exists with the q-loader impellers, except the plastic they use is even stronger than the photopolymer I used for this one. It’s really a pretty minor deal and there are a number of possible solutions.

Easiest solution is to make one out of metal (or just back it in metal or CF) and be done with it, but I’m batting .125 in getting metal parts made, so I’m going to beef it up a tad and give the nylon a try next.

I’ve also given some thought to releasing the design. What I’ve decided is that I’m waiting on an external trigger event (which I’m not going to divulge). If that trigger happens, I’ll release the source and you guys can take over the thing and do whatever you want.

[Nobody]

why not use an impeller from a Tippmann Cyclone kit? those are while 2 tiered can be found in metal.

[BTAutoMag]

or in a soft pliable version

[GoatBoy]

Oh geez why didn't I think of that.

I'll take a look at the part; I suspect it won't work because of different dimensions and different required part right in the middle, but that's a damn good idea.


Ehh, nope, those paddles are 5-shot and not 6, and they're not the right dimension.

Making 'em out of hard rubber would be fantastic though...

In light of that, maybe I'll 3D print a mold instead of the part itself and mold my own rubber parts...

[BTAutoMag]

youre welcome:D

[knownothingmags]

Oh geez why didn't I think of that.

I'll take a look at the part; I suspect it won't work because of different dimensions and different required part right in the middle, but that's a damn good idea.


Ehh, nope, those paddles are 5-shot and not 6, and they're not the right dimension.

Making 'em out of hard rubber would be fantastic though...

In light of that, maybe I'll 3D print a mold instead of the part itself and mold my own rubber parts...

they make a flexible filament for your printer, its really nice stuff.

[mpsd]

This is awesome! Any chance you could make a mounting bracket for a Warp left ULE body? If so, we wouldn't need to hack a SS body as you did. I'd love to have a kit like that on my warped pump Mag!

[knownothingmags]

This is awesome! Any chance you could make a mounting bracket for a Warp left ULE body? If so, we wouldn't need to hack a SS body as you did. I'd love to have a kit like that on my warped pump Mag!

I have that mount already made.
im working on a larger automated drum
just have to work positioning out. 12 rnds so far.

[mpsd]

Well, I'll be in Seattle next week so if you want some funding to your project (by selling that warp left kit with the 6 rounds drum) let me know. :)

[Levi]

Nice work GoatBoy! This is really cool!




I have that mount already made.
im working on a larger automated drum
just have to work positioning out. 12 rnds so far.

KNM...
Did you have to mill out the feed port in the warp ULE body? Or does there happen to be enough clearance in there with the feedneck removed that the FS round will go through?

[need4reebs]

I have that mount already made.
im working on a larger automated drum
just have to work positioning out. 12 rnds so far.

any pics man? :headbang:

[GoatBoy]

Yeah, I’ve seen the flexible filament. Now if only I actually *had* a 3d printer…

So you guys seriously cutting into ULE bodies to make them FS compatible?

I strongly recommend against it as there is potential for ruin on many levels. But if you've got the cheddar, good luck!

As far as pump mags -- if fields continue with the fruity rules that allow pump guns to chrono higher than semis... just imagine a compact pump FS Automag chrono'd at 300fps in the hands of a bona fide front player (against a field of semis chrono'd at 280 with normal paint). That is *not* going to be pretty. I predict it will be bad enough for them to revisit those rules.

[knownothingmags]

any pics man? :headbang:
88458

sorry very basic wheel still getting bugs worked.
my EFIN 3D printer isn't here yet.

*Edit: the adapter was cannibalized and is being added to for the clip rotor im trying to make.
so I was wrong I don't have the warp body adapter yet for something like this.
but once I get into it ill mock one up.

[need4reebs]

huh?

[Grelvire]

have you seen any possibility of a bigger drum? more like a tommy gun size?

ill see if I can get our printer up and up again.

Tommy gun size one would be awesome...................... good job GoatBoy

[AGDRetro]

What is even more impressive is that given the state of your entertainment center, you developed this back in the mid to late 90s :)

Kind of disappointed by the lack of a Sega Saturn...

[GoatBoy]

I've got a Sega Genesis...

I was making some tweaks to the model tonight and rendered up 6, 8, 10, and 12 chamber versions. Past 14 I seem to have a bug in my code which gives the compiler grief.

88459

8 rounds looks manageable. At 10 and up, the single diverter geometry looks broken. The space the round needs to traverse appears too large. It can probably be fixed with multiple diverters.

Personally, I'm going to stick with 6-8 rounders. Larger than that and you're paying a penalty for all that dead space in the middle as well as more "dead zone". And the torsion spring probably needs to change. All that extra space in the middle does give me another idea though...

An alternate design if you like huge drum mags is something like this (not mine):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4LY5nMvrZg

It's not really a rotary loader; it's more like a curved conventional magazine. Still all the same faults as a typical magazine -- everything has to be pushed from the back by a single pusher, and you can't top up the drum while it's in use. But something like that might be up your alley. Massive "dead zone". And... probably going to be pretty expensive to 3d print, unless you own your printer.

[need4reebs]

that 6 rounder that you already made and use in your videos would be my choice. keeps everything compact and simple. no need for bigger drum/mag really. great job man!!!

[knownothingmags]

yeah I have my own printer, we will see what I can get made. :D

[knownothingmags]

I've got a Sega Genesis...

I was making some tweaks to the model tonight and rendered up 6, 8, 10, and 12 chamber versions. Past 14 I seem to have a bug in my code which gives the compiler grief.

88459

8 rounds looks manageable. At 10 and up, the single diverter geometry looks broken. The space the round needs to traverse appears too large. It can probably be fixed with multiple diverters.

Personally, I'm going to stick with 6-8 rounders. Larger than that and you're paying a penalty for all that dead space in the middle as well as more "dead zone". And the torsion spring probably needs to change. All that extra space in the middle does give me another idea though...

An alternate design if you like huge drum mags is something like this (not mine):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4LY5nMvrZg

It's not really a rotary loader; it's more like a curved conventional magazine. Still all the same faults as a typical magazine -- everything has to be pushed from the back by a single pusher, and you can't top up the drum while it's in use. But something like that might be up your alley. Massive "dead zone". And... probably going to be pretty expensive to 3d print, unless you own your printer.

I like your design, simple,
I can print up to about 8 inches, figure the pinwheel needs to be less since there will be a casing around it.

if you need stuff printed, or if the one you use isn't readily available, ill try to see what I can do.

soon to come printed automag :D

thankyou,
KNM.

[GoatBoy]

My impression is that owning a 3d printer is not quite what it's cracked up to be at this time. Good luck with yours; hopefully you won't need to do too much calibration.

I got my nylon based impellers from Shapeways, and I have to say they knocked them out of the park on this one. (Can't say the same about the rail that I got back from them as well.)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-VOMRjWiwtyE/Ul9Ng603ysI/AAAAAAAAGP8/CFR9ip4ns5I/w1175-h881-no/IMG_20131016_115506.jpg

I shortened the diverter to give the impeller more meat, and now it seems pretty strong. It's not metal-strong, but I think this should be strong enough. It's slightly more flexible than the photopolymer, which tends to crack and shatter instead of flexing.

I also put the original rear plate back on. It came from Shapeways deformed, but after a while it kind of just... settled down. So now it's flat enough to actually use. The previous one I was using was actually a privacy filter for a computer monitor, but whatever they did to that plastic gave it a high coefficient of friction so I decided to ditch it.

Here I am testing with dummy rounds. Note how little force is required to feed the rounds; I'm giving it just a partial wind with my thumb. If everything is designed and made properly, it takes very, very little force to reliably and quickly feed FS rounds.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jpWHo6hJkg

[knownothingmags]

My impression is that owning a 3d printer is not quite what it's cracked up to be at this time. Good luck with yours; hopefully you won't need to do too much calibration.

I got my nylon based impellers from Shapeways, and I have to say they knocked them out of the park on this one. (Can't say the same about the rail that I got back from them as well.)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-VOMRjWiwtyE/Ul9Ng603ysI/AAAAAAAAGP8/CFR9ip4ns5I/w1175-h881-no/IMG_20131016_115506.jpg



I didn't know you were having people do your stuff for you, yeah they have a nice powder 3D printer, they are tits,
ill have one of those soon,
calibrations is nothing on mine,
and a quick acetone vaporizing on them and they are smooth as glass.
im working on gears right now, nothing for a purpose, makin a gear heart for the wife, in my thread you can see the dye damn prototype stock mount im workin on, needs some tweekin, then ima make 5 of them and put them through there paces and see how much it takes to break em. final test will be with a hammer.

[cousinkong]

Sweet build, good thinking. Have you thought of having a fixed rear plate that has 6 holes drilled in where the rounds sit at rest. The holes could be slightly smaller diameter than the FS rounds so once they are pushed in they would not back out. Then you could see how many rounds were in the drum without counting and you wouldn't have to move the rear plate to reload. Just a thought, it may cause rounds to get stuck and not spin around the drum freely if the rear plate doesn't move.

[GoatBoy]

Sweet build, good thinking. Have you thought of having a fixed rear plate that has 6 holes drilled in where the rounds sit at rest. The holes could be slightly smaller diameter than the FS rounds so once they are pushed in they would not back out. Then you could see how many rounds were in the drum without counting and you wouldn't have to move the rear plate to reload. Just a thought, it may cause rounds to get stuck and not spin around the drum freely if the rear plate doesn't move.

That was actually what I tried to do at first. I wanted to make it completely open in the back with maybe some form of detent holding them in once pressed in, but I never could quite figure out how to really make it work properly with the skirt. The real benefit actually being that the "back plate" winds up being one piece with the impeller and thus the whole thing is way stronger despite the diverter cuts. That, and I could then build a speed-loader.

Having 6 gaping holes in the back is also not so good for keeping dirt out of the system as well, and I do my fair share of crawling around with this thing.

Truthfully, I wanted a clear acrylic back plate to make it easier to see the empty chambers.

Not sure what you mean by rounds getting stuck or whatever; the rear plate is only touching the impeller and drive shaft. It is minimally touching the outer housing. So basically, when the impeller moves, the back plate moves as there's nothing else to resist the movement. However it still spins easily when I push it directly because the friction between it and the impeller should still be low. So if I leave the gate straddling two chambers, that gate remains straddling two chambers, and no round ever escapes.

Only cases of jams so far are when I forget to wind the thing in between games, or when I take that 6th safety shot.

[debruynda]

Very cool!

Out of curiosity, what kind of valve setup is that? It looks like a vigilante reg on the back half? Apologies if you already addressed it, I just got done working and only watched the video and it caught my eye.

[cousinkong]

I thought with the back being fixed it might catch on some of the rounds when they spun. Since it's all one piece in your design that isn't an issue. I have never touched a first strike round so I don't know how firm the skirt is or how likely it would be to snag on any moving parts. Turns out I'm just trying to re-invent the wheel for you.

[VecTor]

Great idea Goatboy!!
Along the ideas of having the loading holes on the back plate for reloading. Could you add an additional plate with the same offset holes, something light weight and made of acrylic? The 2nd plate would be able to quarter turn to give access for reloading and then close, hopefully you follow what I’m saying :)

[GoatBoy]

Out of curiosity, what kind of valve setup is that? It looks like a vigilante reg on the back half? Apologies if you already addressed it, I just got done working and only watched the video and it caught my eye.

Yes, it's the back of one of the AA regs. It helps shed some weight off. I'm still a big fan of the classic valves.




Along the ideas of having the loading holes on the back plate for reloading. Could you add an additional plate with the same offset holes, something light weight and made of acrylic? The 2nd plate would be able to quarter turn to give access for reloading and then close, hopefully you follow what I’m saying :)

I thought of that one too (and a couple of in-between solutions). It just seems more complex than needed, and if I have to slide it open with my finger anyways, it doesn't offer much benefit over what I've got now aside from making the back end completely sealed. Granted that would be nice particularly in wet/dusty conditions. I really do love a completely sealed gun.

Another option would be to make soft paddles and shape them so they grip onto the paint so it wouldn't fall out, but would still be diverted easily. It would allow for an open backside, or even having the outer ring of the loader open or removable so rounds could be pushed in sideways. Somewhat tricky to design and implement though, especially if you still want to retain compatibility with normal paint. Again, it's about the skirts -- the skirts makes these rounds a PITA to feed, you can also use them to your advantage.

This is all kind of a dance between mechanical complexity, performance, and manual dexterity. Different players will want a different mix between the three, so there are different paths that others may prefer.

[river031403]

I wonder if someone can just flip a few things around on the BT rip drives and make this work for warp left 50 rounds that's all

[Drew_72]

I’ve also given some thought to releasing the design. What I’ve decided is that I’m waiting on an external trigger event (which I’m not going to divulge). If that trigger happens, I’ll release the source and you guys can take over the thing and do whatever you want.

Any updates? I really like the idea of a tight drum for first strikes on one side, small hopper of standard paint on the other. I'd imagine it should be easy to switch between the two with a twist lock.
What style of bolt are you using in your set up?

[GoatBoy]

Yeah, its on the way amidst my myriad side projects. I did a first pass cleanup of files (likely the only cleanup) , made manifest/descriptions and looked at distribution options. The files released will be the FS loader and mag2cocker adapter, in true source (OpenSCAD) form.

[GoatBoy]

Quick update on this... I set the project on the backburner to work on some other stuff, and quite frankly to wait for someone to do my work for me. And it turns out somebody in fact did happen to produce exactly what I was looking for.

I added a planetary gear set on the front of the loader to fix some of the nagging issues that I had on-field. Namely, the gearing allows:


Visual confirmation of prewind status, so I can know when I need to actually put more winds in. Not knowing the status seemed to lead to the majority of hijinx on the field.
Overdrive so that I don't literally have to wind the full rotations with my hand. It's about maybe a 4:1 ratio or so (actually less; possibly 6:1), so I only rotate the annulus gear less than 1/4 turn to get a full rotation of the output.
A rotation limiter to keep it from going into free-spin when empty. Since I now have visual indication and control of the winds, I can put exactly as many winds as I have rounds (more or less), so at the end when there are no more rounds, it will stop rotating. Like there will be a physical limiter installed.
Minimal increase in size.


So I retrofitted a v1 into a... v1.5. Note that it's not fully assembled so the bearing slips, but toward the end you get the idea of the overdrive.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snN77PJCcFk

Eventually the spring carrier (not shown) will be integrated with the planet carrier, and I need to fix a slight oversight with the annulus...

[going_home]

Pretty cool.
You bringing it to Tunaball next year ?

[knownothingmags]

That looks familiar.
And totally awesome.

Good work man.

[Levi]

This is really coming along. Good idea on the overdrive.

How easy is it to "top off" the drum before its empty, or do you have to wait until its empty to reload?

Looking forward to seeing this on a mag and functioning.

[GoatBoy]

Pretty cool.
You bringing it to Tunaball next year ?

Somebody's apparently chomping at the bit to shoot me on my camera again...



This is really coming along. Good idea on the overdrive.

How easy is it to "top off" the drum before its empty, or do you have to wait until its empty to reload?


I can top it off any time I want; that was a major feature that I wanted to have. The back cover rotates to access any empty chamber, any time, on a live gun that's still got rounds ready to go. So I can post on someone while reloading chambers with my off-hand. I've also reloaded it on the move; little tricky though.

[BigEvil]

I really NEED one of these.... I would love to show up all of the 'operators' that play in the local mag fed games what it's like to shoot a real paintball gun. :)

[snoopay700]

I really NEED one of these.... I would love to show up all of the 'operators' that play in the local mag fed games what it's like to shoot a real paintball gun. :)

You're going to put one on an Ion?

:ninja:

[BigEvil]

you're going to put one on an ion?

:ninja:

sp1 :d

[going_home]

Somebody's apparently chomping at the bit to shoot me on my camera again...


It was just dumb luck......

[commander bond]

LUGER or MP18 ... you could have a tpx luger ...

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