classic valve - how to lighten the trigger pull?

[djinnform]

Is there any way to lighten the trigger pull on a classic valve? Are they any options with the ON\OFF? What does that "Reactor" ON\OFF do?

[rukh013]

Put a RT on/off in it or ULT it lightens the trigger significantly

Lukes trigger/sear mod as well... highly underrated/under-advertised

Reactor on/off is not as good as the RT on/off

[captian pinky]

if you use a ult you will probably run into issues with short stroking. i prefer the rt on/off.

[BTAutoMag]

rukh is half right

captian pinky is correct

An RT on/off with really lighten the trigger pull and it'll breathe new light into your mag

A ULT will lighten it alot but you run the risk of starving your mag for air

Luke's sear mod will make your trigger pull heavier

dont use non AGD products in your valve. AGD spent money to develop things the actually work in your mag

[djinnform]

if you use a ult you will probably run into issues with short stroking. i prefer the rt on/off.

the RT ON\OFF works in a Classic Valve?

[captian pinky]

yes but will not allow you to rt. i also think you have to remove the bottom orings to make it fit but i forget.

[BTAutoMag]

nope, pops right in

[BTAutoMag]

you can even keep the classic orings in the top of the on/off as they are the exact same

[Deviant]

This is actually pretty awesome information I did not know any of this, now im thinking about putting a r/t on off in a Level 7.

[BTAutoMag]

you can even lighten it further by using a drill on certain parts... I wont go into that:eek:

[Laku]

you can even lighten it further by using a drill on certain parts... I wont go into that:eek:
I'm not about to do this, but I would like to hear the theory/technical explanation how it is done. :)

[BTAutoMag]

it has to do with porting the rt on off in a certain way to all ow air to flow past the pin without making it want to rt

[BEEFYDAN]

Get a stronger finger? You may look into some sort of a prosthetic, there has been significant advances in digital replacement in recent years.

[BTAutoMag]

its not about stronger anything. make any gun easier to use and your stamina and performance increases. why exert more then you have to

[bbotts77]

Get a stronger finger? You may look into some sort of a prosthetic, there has been significant advances in digital replacement in recent years.
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[astr0xz0mbie]

it is like the old saying goes "work smarter, not harder" no need to exert more force than required

[BEEFYDAN]

Has anyone ever designed a pneumatic-assisted finger? Maybe we have all been approaching this from the wrong direction all of these years. May be something to look into

[BTAutoMag]

no, but a pnuemag is close enough

and a pneumatic-assisted finger is lightening the trigger pull... checkmate

[Cyco-Dude]

nope, pops right in. you can even keep the classic orings in the top of the on/off as they are the exact same
i can confirm; pops right in and lightens the trigger pull. it feels like it's about 50% lighter.

[AGDRetro]

It's what I did on my old pump Mag. I would describe the trigger as lighter and crisper, definitely not as "mushy" as the Classic On/Off. I have 2 for sale!

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?266666-AGD-Retro-Valve-On-Offs

[BEEFYDAN]

Im pretty sure a pneumatic-assisted finger would not lighten the trigger pull. Yeah the finger would have to work less, But the actual force needed to actuate the trigger would be the same. Though I commend the use of the Bulle****e Gambit (Type 2). Well played, you rarely see that in chess anymore.

[Nobody]

you can always get a double trigger, leverage would make the trigger easier to pull.

[Justus]

If you're going to use a RT on/off and use CO2, then replace the #6 urethane o-rings with the original teflon o-rings.

[djinnform]

Didn't some of the old electronic, aftermarket frames for MAGS come with a custom ON\OFF? I thought I saw one once?

[BTAutoMag]

yea, I have one in front of me right now... BROKEN IN HALF!:mad:

[Nobody]

yes, the Centerflag frames did.

[BTAutoMag]

and booyaah

[BigEvil]

RT on/off with a .740 pin. That is the EXACT pin that is in the Centerflag on/offs and works great in classic mags and as a substitute if you want to put a hyperframe on your classic as well.

[BTAutoMag]

really? this is good info for me

[BigEvil]

really? this is good info for me

Im a fountain of information. Not just eye candy.

[BTAutoMag]

lol, go look at my rt repair thread then

[djinnform]

I tried at ULT in my classic valve. It dry fires great in my apartment. Any problems with a ULT in a classic valve?

[djinnform]

RT on/off with a .740 pin. That is the EXACT pin that is in the Centerflag on/offs and works great in classic mags and as a substitute if you want to put a hyperframe on your classic as well.

I need to remember this. I may do this someday.

[keiko_819]

Im a fountain of information. Not just eye candy.

:rofl::hail:

[BigEvil]

I tried at ULT in my classic valve. It dry fires great in my apartment. Any problems with a ULT in a classic valve?

They can be hit or miss. The return pressure on a classic is about 300-400 psi LESS on the on off pin on a classic valve and with the smaller diameter pin can sometimes cause short stroking. They work ok, but jam as many shim in as you can so that pin can clear the oring as fast as possible.

[djinnform]

They can be hit or miss. The return pressure on a classic is about 300-400 psi LESS on the on off pin on a classic valve and with the smaller diameter pin can sometimes cause short stroking. They work ok, but jam as many shim in as you can so that pin can clear the oring as fast as possible.

This failed on the field today. Guess I'm going to have a buy another RT ON\OFF. I've got a collection of non-RT ON\OFFs!

[need4reebs]

if you have tha reactor on/off use that...it worked tha same as a RT on/off in a couple of classic valves i had in tha past.

[GoatBoy]

So did anyone ever make an RT on/off that was shim-adjustable?

[Menace_AO]

AGD did, all of them. :p

You can put shims between the bottom and top halves.

[GoatBoy]

Huh, didn't realize that. It's been so long since I saw the inside of my X-valve that I'm like a lost tourist when it comes to RT's.

I'll have to check that out then... Just dropped an RT on/off in a classic, and it definitely makes a difference. That plus the LX bolt lightens the trigger significantly. Should probably figure out a way to put numbers to that...

[djinnform]

Huh, didn't realize that. It's been so long since I saw the inside of my X-valve that I'm like a lost tourist when it comes to RT's.

I'll have to check that out then... Just dropped an RT on/off in a classic, and it definitely makes a difference. That plus the LX bolt lightens the trigger significantly. Should probably figure out a way to put numbers to that...

That would be a cool screen name: "X-Valve Tourist" Do you mind if I use it?

[GoatBoy]

That would be a cool screen name: "X-Valve Tourist" Do you mind if I use it?

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