NEW!!! Carbon Fiber XULE Bodies!!!!!!!

[Xmagterror]

Heres a look at what will be avail in 2014!!!!!!!


New XULE carbon fiber main bodies for automags.
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-Angel feedneck and dual detent threads
-Autococker barrel threads
-Will work on almost any AGD mag except classic RT/sydarm
-25% lighter than a AGD ULE body
-Real Carbon fiber construction.....breech area is 7075 aluminum.
-Two piece carbon body allows you to change the front tube to different styles...creating a new look
-Once piece carbon body features a bolt on feedneck adapter block....the prototype has angel threads but other threads may be avail if there is enough demand.....another great thing about this design is you can change it if you damage the threads....Its a heavy duty piece made of 7075 aluminum and bolted on with 4 8-32 screws.


The Bodies shown below are prototypes....I am in the process of testing them. The Two Piece body is going to be cheaper to make/buy....The one Piece body has allot of extra steps/more pieces involved in its construction and will be more expensive. Its to early to say but the carbon fibers will be slightly more expensive than my RT/Minimag ULE bodies i produce out of aluminum. Carbon Fiber is expensive and a pain in the ass to work with....But it sure does look cool!!!!

Make sure you do the poll at the top of the thread....only one design is going to make the cut and be produced.


Post on here and let me know what you guys think.


One piece is on the top and the two piece is on the bottom...both have RT Front
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/Pair_zps22eadbbb.jpg

One piece with RT Front
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/FULLCARBON_zps9a45134e.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/Vertical_zps36764c93.jpg
Two piece with ULE length front tube...other tubes shown
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/TIPS_zps9c1baf6d.jpg

Two piece with minimag front
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/Minimag_zpsa45536b1.jpg

Two piece with extended front
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/ULEExtended_zps37118944.jpg

[Bunny]

:headbang: Nice work! I can't wait to hear how testing goes. You know we will all need more carbon fiber parts to match right? :p

[Xmagterror]

:headbang: Nice work! I can't wait to hear how testing goes. You know we will all need more carbon fiber parts to match right? :p

Yes!!! Not enough hours in the day to make all the stuff i want to sell! I plan to make some carbon emag frame panels and maybe a carbon fiber grip for mechanicals....possibly a carbon emag battery housing.

[Syko89]

Chance of any warpfeed ones?

[cougar20th]

I guess I can ask. Classic RT backs?

[Fred]

I guess I can ask. Classic RT backs?

x2...

I'm kinda blown away by the single tube version. I have to wonder how well a hopper will hold up on it. This application seems ideal to me to be a warp fed body, as the neck doesn't have much of any load on it unless snagged somehow.

How is the mounting bung attached under there?

[TimmyJay]

How is the mounting bung attached under there?

Same question...bottom shot? I like the one piece but have no money for either so I will hold off my vote.

[Xmagterror]

Chance of any warpfeed ones?


IF enough people are interested

[Xmagterror]

I guess I can ask. Classic RT backs?

anything is possible really.....only problem is the RT center section is not the same. The mounting boss and feed holes are in a different spot from what you see here....as always...if there is enough interest. Your grip frames look nice!

[dodge3500]

Lol wow that is just soo SICK,MAN those are soo cool!
I love both of them and it would be hard to chose but if I had to ,I would go with the one you would say that is more durable over the other.I'm not ruff on my stuff by no means. :-)
I cannot pick one up anytime soon but could put on the wishlist for spring or summer once the overtime kicks in again.:-) :-)

[Xmagterror]

x2...

I'm kinda blown away by the single tube version. I have to wonder how well a hopper will hold up on it. This application seems ideal to me to be a warp fed body, as the neck doesn't have much of any load on it unless snagged somehow.

How is the mounting bung attached under there?

The feedneck adapter is very strong....Its made from 7075 aluminum and its bolted into the 7075 aluminum breech insert thats inside the carbon fiber tube using 4 8-32 screws...Its very solid.

The locating boss on the bottom is made from 316 stainless steel...its threads into the breech insert with red loctite on it.

[Xmagterror]

Im hoping to make it to LL7....You guys really need to see these carbon bodies in person.

[dodge3500]

Well if the one piece is solid that's my vote.:-)

[maverick13]

I'd prefer the 2 parts solution because it allows to do differents looks changing only the front tube, and also because the feedneck part looks "simpler".

[TyeStick]

Those look really nice! Keep up the good work!

Would it be possible to have a carbon Fibur front, made to the same length of a Pariah body?
What about the possibility of the detents being threaded for Autococker detents instead of Angel?

Even if it's considered a special order?

For the record, I'm fine with the feedneck being Angel threaded.

[knownothingmags]

man I want 3X one piece minimag,
but it would be cool to have you mod my 3 minimag ule bodies. too.
hmm maybe get all six done?

this is nice to see.

****question:
are you going to seal the carbon fiber ends once you mill the holes into them?

[debruynda]

Very cool!

[luke]

I'm pretty sure that is the most interesting thing I've seen here on AO in many years! Well done. I would love to see the breach parts. :cheers:

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/FULLCARBON_zps9a45134e.jpg

[splat15k]

Couldn't that internal breach piece be milled to hold ego/spyder style detents and the CF tube would hold everything in place? Replacing the detents would be just popping off the feedneck mount and stainless locating boss and sliding the internal breach piece out of the tube. Heck, you could slot the bottom of the CF tube so that the locating boss doesn't have to be removed.

[barkingspider]

The one piece is pretty cool..........

[koleah]

I voted two piece because:
The Two Piece body is going to be cheaper to make/buy

[Sk8ermog]

I voted 2 piece cause I love options and the potential to color the center aluminum area. Although that full CF body is super cool. Never thought making a choice of automag bodies would be so hard. As my childhood t-ball coach would say "you're all winners!"

[RT Lover]

what is the ballpark cost on these?

[mpsd]

Subscribing. :)

[yellowmitten]

One piece minimag please!

[ElPanda]

One piece minimag please!

so much this

I need a body for a new MM length build and this would be amazing

I will 100% purchase if you make

must have cocker threads though so I dont know if possible

edit: should have read, says that in OP

Im all in for MM length one piece

[knownothingmags]

I think I may need six.
but still need to pay for the body and rails your are making for me.

[Xmagterror]

I think I may need six.
but still need to pay for the body and rails your are making for me.

KNM....you still thinking about hiring me to make you slugs and rail blanks? Awesome!!!
I would love to sell you 6 carbon bodies!!!

[Xmagterror]

Testing today went great. I cycled my emag in full auto aprox 3000 times and shot a full case of paint thru each body after that....no problems or ball breaks!

The next phase of testing is to turn these over to my local automag friend....Hes destructive and will test them to their limits.

I really love the look of the one piece carbon fiber body....I will be getting the feedneck adapter block anodized red.

Can you guys spot anything else on my gun thats a prototype beside the body?!! I was feed up with the crap on the market so i took it upon myself to make something quality.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/IMG_20140101_161808_zpsdbbi6qeh.jpg

[Xmagterror]

I really favor the one piece body...but i must say i do like the option of changing front tubes.
If the one piece bodies make it to production you will be able to buy it with any style front milling you want.

[Xmagterror]

what is the ballpark cost on these?

Its too early to say...more than a regular RT or MM ULE That i make....but no a lot more. The carbon fiber material is aprox 3 times more expensive than aluminum to purchase and it really beats the hell out of my carbide tools. Plus its more time consuming to make with the added pieces.

[Xmagterror]

[QUOTE=luke;2848157]I'm pretty sure that is the most interesting thing I've seen here on AO in many years! Well done. I would love to see the breach parts. :cheers:

Thanks for the compliment! Its cold as hell in michigan so i have been living in the shop for the last few weeks...nothing really else to do. Finally getting this acid red emag to how i envisioned it a decade ago.

Luke....unfortunately i put red loctite on the feedneck adapter block screws. The internal aluminum breech insert is glued to the carbon fiber using a very special/expensive aircraft adhesive.

[robertreed711]

Testing today went great. I cycled my emag in full auto aprox 3000 times and shot a full case of paint thru each body after that....no problems or ball breaks!

The next phase of testing is to turn these over to my local automag friend....Hes destructive and will test them to their limits.

I really love the look of the one piece carbon fiber body....I will be getting the feedneck adapter block anodized red.

Can you guys spot anything else on my gun thats a prototype beside the body?!! I was feed up with the crap on the market so i took it upon myself to make something quality.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/IMG_20140101_161808_zpsdbbi6qeh.jpg

Custom air line fittings?

[Xmagterror]

Custom air line fittings?

YES!!! They took an insane amount of time to design and make. the prototype shown on my gun are made from 7075 aluminum and titanium. They are swivel fittings

[robertreed711]

YES!!! They took an insane amount of time to design and make. the prototype shown on my gun are made from 7075 aluminum and titanium. They are swivel fittings

They look great. How are the tightened down? Any plans to make them compatible with macroline?

[BLachance75]

The one piece body looks so sick. I'll definitely pick one up if you make them.

[Levi]

Wow!!

That single piece is frickin sweet!

If you can do a warp left version I am definitely in for one... maybe even two (depending on budget)

[Stedspitcher]

Very Nice Work!

I have the same question as TyeStick, would you be able to produce a CF pariah body? I would be happy to send you my pariah body if you needed a model for measurements on the front cut. Thx Joseph.

[knownothingmags]

KNM....you still thinking about hiring me to make you slugs and rail blanks? Awesome!!!
I would love to sell you 6 carbon bodies!!!

I have to design a body and rail first.
just ironing out my 3D printed emag packs along with getting the files ready for the triple mag, so you can finish those parts.
the bodies I have to find a home for on a mag before I can buy them.

[Chrome]

I didn't vote in the poll because although I really want to like them (to get into the 21st century, at least), I just can't get myself to like vert feed bodies; I like how they look, I just can't get comfortable using one, and I wasn't a huge fan of the warp or a qloader when I had a chance to try one out

Regarding the fittings and macroline, unless I'm missing something looking at the picture, I think part of the point was to integrate the quick connect male fitting - for stainless line - into the elbow.

Without the swivel functionality (and the associated headaches from random little parts/orings), it would be awesome to see a basic stainless one-piece 90 degree elbow, NPT on one end, quick connect on the other. If you can't tell, I'm kind of about things designed to be rock-simple and last forever; one of the traits that got me in to mags in the first place. :)

[Xmagterror]

I didn't vote in the poll because although I really want to like them (to get into the 21st century, at least), I just can't get myself to like vert feed bodies; I like how they look, I just can't get comfortable using one, and I wasn't a huge fan of the warp or a qloader when I had a chance to try one out

Regarding the fittings and macroline, unless I'm missing something looking at the picture, I think part of the point was to integrate the quick connect male fitting - for stainless line - into the elbow.

Without the swivel functionality (and the associated headaches from random little parts/orings), it would be awesome to see a basic stainless one-piece 90 degree elbow, NPT on one end, quick connect on the other. If you can't tell, I'm kind of about things designed to be rock-simple and last forever; one of the traits that got me in to mags in the first place. :)

My response to your neg liking on vert feed bodies is to hire me to make you a custom one that feeds from an angle. When i get into production i could do that for you...would cost more though.

[Chrome]

My response to your neg liking on vert feed bodies is to hire me to make you a custom one that feeds from an angle. When i get into production i could do that for you...would cost more though.

As to not clutter up the thread, I'll PM when I get some time in the next couple days; I'll have to try to dig up some old PMs we exchanged a while back. In the mean time, please tell us more about those sweet custom air fittings! :D I also remember mention in a thread a while back that you've made yourself titanium x-valve parts (back cap showing?), and I might imagine by now you've made an aluminum (or titanium?) replacement tip for that stock crownpoint?

[smilestyler]

They both 'look' great. I am quite interested in these. I almost like the 2 piece better however. It would be cool to swap the fronts for a different look.
I think the 2piece would be easier to keep clean, but might be harder to match with some custom ano jobs if that's what people have planned.
You mentioned that the one piece feed neck could be easily replaced if threads got damaged or could be offered in different type of threads. Could the same not be offered in a new breech for the 2 piece at a later date?

[knownothingmags]

It would be cool to swap the fronts for a different look.

remember the pieces are epoxied or glued in place. you don't want them to be able to be removed easily.
unless xmt can mill and kind of twist locking so they twist lock on and stay. but then again that's more money people would have to spend to buy.
not many people just have money to spend.

[smilestyler]

I guess I didn't consider how they are assembled. I think I may have read his OP wrong, I thought they could be easily changed

[Xmagterror]

I guess I didn't consider how they are assembled. I think I may have read his OP wrong, I thought they could be easily changed

The back tube will be glued on for safety but the front tube can be changed. Once you tighten the body down to the rail they will not move.

[Laku]

The thing that breaks the aesthetics for me on the single piece body is how the feed neck sits little higher and that its attachment is angular when everything else in the body is rounded and flowing. That's why I voted for the two piece body.
I wonder would it be possible to make it lower profile and more flowing if it used something like empire sniper feedneck (http://inceptionforums.com/CAD/Sniper%20Feedneck.PDF)?

Having said that, I do appreciate the aesthetics of the rest of the body quite much. And the ingenuity of getting the breach to fit and work inside CF tube is just marvelous! :clap:

[BigEvil]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/IMG_20140101_161808_zpsdbbi6qeh.jpg[/IMG]

90* air fittings :)

[SoulCoffin]

I'd be interested in either body, but also in those fittings :)

[Xmagterror]

The fittings will be avail this spring.

[Xmagterror]

Very Nice Work!

I have the same question as TyeStick, would you be able to produce a CF pariah body? I would be happy to send you my pariah body if you needed a model for measurements on the front cut. Thx Joseph.

Thats just a body thats the same length as an AM/MM rail with a slight angle on the front? If so,yes thats no problem

[Levi]

The fittings will be avail this spring.

Do these fittings swivel freely while pressurized?

I've had an adjustable/folding tank mount idea floating around in my head for a few years... needs a swiveling air fitting though.

[Xmagterror]

Yes...and they swivel butter smooooooth! LOL

[Levi]

Yes...and they swivel butter smooooooth! LOL

Perfect!

Then count me in for a couple sets. Will you be doing a pre-order for them?

[Beemer]

Yes...and they swivel butter smooooooth! LOL


Are they tested for 3000psi.?:ninja:

[Xmagterror]

They will be rated at 1K PSI..........I have tested them to 7.5PSI with no problems. These are not for the High pressure side of a tank.

[Gadget]

Can you do a nice short version of the body (classic length) as well? Seems a shame to buy something for ultimate lightness, only to have a big chunk of additional body overhanging the front adding weight :)

[Jkoselka]

My vote is for the two piece, the ability to swap pieces out is nice. The fittings look great too, makes me want to ask if my deposit for the Phoenix body can go towards this instead. :D

[ElPanda]

They will be rated at 1K PSI..........I have tested them to 7.5PSI with no problems. These are not for the High pressure side of a tank.

I am not impressed by 7.5 PSI...

:p

[knownothingmags]

The back tube will be glued on for safety but the front tube can be changed. Once you tighten the body down to the rail they will not move.

perfect.

[Xmagterror]

I am not impressed by 7.5 PSI...

:p

Me either!! Lol
7.5k

[Sk8ermog]

So has there been a purchase date set for these bodies? Are you going to wait to do more testing and maybe start selling closer to Tax return time? Between these and the valve caps it looks to be a good spring for automags.

[TimmyJay]

This may be a dumb question, but for the one CF piece design, couldn't the feedneck be built into the top attachment. No need to buy a seperate feedneck and ultra low profile? OR cost for a one off?

Bring on the valve caps...currently have cash!

[ElPanda]

with a threaded feedneck you have many options for aftermarket feednecks, in case someone does not like your design. Also it is much easier/cheaper to simply thread a hole than to mill an integral feedneck.

If there was an extra inch or so of material required to mill a feedneck it would not only affect the size of the stock ($$$) but also increase the time required to machine ($$$). Usually the cheapest and simplest way of doing things is the best from a manufacturing perspective, and it translates to a reduced cost at the consumers end as well.

[TimmyJay]

It would be cool to see these with anno'd parts... I think you have some other stuff to send, right? :) Decided to vote incase I can come up with some cash.

[Xmagterror]

I am still testing the bodies. Gotta but some miles on them and check for wear before i can offer them for sale. Nothing like testing out in the frigid michigan weather! Its going to be time to rebuild the shoebox...its been working overtime filling big SCBA tank.

[Xmagterror]

It would be cool to see these with anno'd parts... I think you have some other stuff to send, right? :) Decided to vote incase I can come up with some cash.

Planning on getting the prototype anodized so i can get some pictures. Im still on the fence on what body i like most....Im leaning towards the one piece. Interchangeable front tubes is a nice feature though. YES YES the back caps still need to get finished....too many projects.

[TimmyJay]

Just noticed that you have some new pictures since I saw the original post or I missed them the first time. Like it evenmore crossing my fingers that testing goes well...

[BLachance75]

I voted one piece because interchangable fronts sounds cool but how often are people going to actually change them. Also you would have to buy extras if you wanted different fronts.

Can you get sanded carbon fiber tubes so that they kind of match a DW barrel? Or would you offer sanding them as an option?

[Fred]

I am still testing the bodies. Gotta but some miles on them and check for wear before i can offer them for sale. Nothing like testing out in the frigid michigan weather! Its going to be time to rebuild the shoebox...its been working overtime filling big SCBA tank.

Where in MI are you located?

[Xmagterror]

I voted one piece because interchangable fronts sounds cool but how often are people going to actually change them. Also you would have to buy extras if you wanted different fronts.

Can you get sanded carbon fiber tubes so that they kind of match a DW barrel? Or would you offer sanding them as an option?


as for sanded tubes....i will look into that.

[Xmagterror]

Where in MI are you located?

Dowagaic......southwestern part of the state.

[Fred]

Drat. I'm outside Ann Arbor.

[Grelvire]

Would you be able to do the one piece pump compatible, or is there not enough material in the insert etc....

[cyrus-the-virus]

Have you had a chance to weigh these bad boys? I'm wondering what a one piece pariah style body would weigh.. could make for an interesting build.

I'll end up buying one of these when you put them up for sale.

[BTAutoMag]

Have you had a chance to weigh these bad boys? I'm wondering what a one piece pariah style body would weigh.. could make for an interesting build.

I'll end up buying one of these when you put them up for sale.

yes, weight

[Xmagterror]

Im not real sure how well the carbon fiber would hold up to the pump rod. Ive never seen a pump automag in person but i am familiar with the milling. Its possible to mill the body but not sure the tapered slot in it would hold up.

[Xmagterror]

Have you had a chance to weigh these bad boys? I'm wondering what a one piece pariah style body would weigh.. could make for an interesting build.

I'll end up buying one of these when you put them up for sale.

They are both 25% lighter than the same bodies i make from aluminum.

[cyrus-the-virus]

They are both 25% lighter than the same bodies i make from aluminum.

Any chance we could see an ultra light body and rail combo? I have some dangerous ideas formulating.

[Laku]

I'll end up buying one of these when you put them up for sale.

Yeah, I'm also pretty sure you'll end up costing me more money with either of these two. ;)

[Xmagterror]

Any chance we could see an ultra light body and rail combo? I have some dangerous ideas formulating.

I need to get my hands on a good looking gloss black rail so i can take some pictures. The only rail i have right now is a beat up emag one.

[Xmagterror]

Carbon fiber bodies made it though testing and the design is a success!!! Pre-order will be up soon in the dealers section

[Cyco-Dude]

i think the two-piece design would be a more durable part in the long run (screws going into a metal part), so that's what i voted for. the cheaper production cost would be a nice side benefit.

[steve_81]

awesome! Looking forward to picking one up.

[Xmagterror]

i think the two-piece design would be a more durable part in the long run (screws going into a metal part), so that's what i voted for. the cheaper production cost would be a nice side benefit.


Screws are going into metal in the 1 piece. there is an metal breech insert inside the body...super strong 7075

[hunterp]

I thought I'd never find a good looking alternative to my classic minimag's polished body. I'm totally sold on your 2 piece design, though.

If you make them. I shall buy.

[Levi]

I thought I'd never find a good looking alternative to my classic minimag's polished body. I'm totally sold on your 2 piece design, though.

If you make them. I shall buy.

Check the dealer section... preorder thread is already up.

[steve_81]

Let's fill up those pre-order slots guys!

[Levi]

Bump! :)


The fittings will be avail this spring.

I've been watching the dealers forum for the swivel fittings. Are you still planning to make a batch?

[Ecurb06]

I need one!!!

[Syko89]

I need one!!!

Here you go man. And welcome to the forums

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?268762-Custom-Body-Super-Store-ALL-INSTOCK!!!!!!!

[jolt00]

Swivel macro line fittings have been around for several years now.

http://store.chipleymachine.com/aluminum-air-fittings/

[Xmagterror]

Swivel macro line fittings have been around for several years now.

http://store.chipleymachine.com/aluminum-air-fittings/

several decades....nothing like mine though. LMFAO

[grub]

several decades....nothing like mine though. LMFAO

So, when will they be available?

-grub

[Xmagterror]

So, when will they be available?

-grub

at this rate....maybe in several decades. Too many irons in the fire right now.

[jolt00]

Whats the difference? other than macro line and SSline