triple mag... restart/continue

[knownothingmags]

so me being not so smart I deleted the triple mag thread a while back.

here is the test insert for the triple.
I printed it last night.
ill have to get some air and just run some test but this is pretty close to what I am looking for.

-ill put a few accessory holes here and there, a spot to put a board and a 9v maybe.
-looks as though it is going to pneumatic. which is fine with me :D or EP :D but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
-back box hole is for my dye dam stock mount adapter that I designed in house.
-front has a second piece that will allow my picatiny mount that I made to mount up to it plus and accessory holes and suck added as well battery and all that.
-slots on top for the sears to be able to recess.
-total of 18 set screw spots to hold the mpa3 in place, 3 bottom and three top for each mp3.

hope fully this can be milled out of a solid block of aluminum.
xmt if you could chime in on this that would be great.

yeah here is the video.
sorry for the shaking a moving so much.

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/tripple%20dual%20mag/th_VID_20140102_112100_138_zps9c46dc3c.jpg (http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/tripple%20dual%20mag/VID_20140102_112100_138_zps9c46dc3c.mp4)

as testing gets done ill throw videos up.

let me know what ya think.

[Levi]

That's cool!

How are you planning to feed paint to that sucker?

And that's gonna have a max rof of what 60+ bps.... holy crap!

[knownothingmags]

That's cool!

How are you planning to feed paint to that sucker?

And that's gonna have a max rof of what 60+ bps.... holy crap!
probably 3 revys for now.

as fast as the valves will shoot.
so for me probably 9 bps = 27pbs,
but if we could some how rt it 34.5 pbs =103bps. wont ever happen though.

its nice I screwed up the insert tonight by compressing it tohard while I was sealing the layers so it worped bad.
but to its defense I put a lot of pressure where there shouldn't have been that much.
reprint tomorrow.

[Sk8ermog]

...3 bottom and three top for each mp3.


Your making it play music too? Thats awesome! You should make it play something dark like the Star Wars Empire theme song. Or the Jaws da-da, da-da, da-da.... lol

[BTAutoMag]

about time!

[bbotts77]

Very cool. Thanks for the update.

[knownothingmags]

:rofl:
Your making it play music too? Thats awesome! You should make it play something dark like the Star Wars Empire theme song. Or the Jaws da-da, da-da, da-da.... lol

[BTAutoMag]

the yub nub tripple mag

[smilestyler]

I vote for the Star Wars theme!

[Xmagterror]

so me being not so smart I deleted the triple mag thread a while back.

here is the test insert for the triple.
I printed it last night.
ill have to get some air and just run some test but this is pretty close to what I am looking for.

-ill put a few accessory holes here and there, a spot to put a board and a 9v maybe.
-looks as though it is going to pneumatic. which is fine with me :D or EP :D but lets not get ahead of ourselves.
-back box hole is for my dye dam stock mount adapter that I designed in house.
-front has a second piece that will allow my picatiny mount that I made to mount up to it plus and accessory holes and suck added as well battery and all that.
-slots on top for the sears to be able to recess.
-total of 18 set screw spots to hold the mpa3 in place, 3 bottom and three top for each mp3.

hope fully this can be milled out of a solid block of aluminum.
xmt if you could chime in on this that would be great.

yeah here is the video.
sorry for the shaking a moving so much.

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/tripple%20dual%20mag/th_VID_20140102_112100_138_zps9c46dc3c.jpg (http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/tripple%20dual%20mag/VID_20140102_112100_138_zps9c46dc3c.mp4)

as testing gets done ill throw videos up.

let me know what ya think.

Looks cool...email me the solid model so i can tell you if its possible to machine

[knownothingmags]

Looks cool...email me the solid model so i can tell you if its possible to machine

will do. and it isn't possible to machine I can simple piece it and do it that way.

[Flatliner333]

Wait...that looks metallic...are you printing metal parts now ?

[Justus]

The triple rail is metallic - aluminum. The printed part is the insert below it where it will connect to a grip frame. (You have to watch the video to see it)

[need4reebs]

-total of 18 set screw spots to hold the mpa3 in place, 3 bottom and three top for each mp3.




6 mpa3's??? huh? wat will the 3 up top be doing? there wouldn't be much leverage? :confused:

[knownothingmags]

Wait...that looks metallic...are you printing metal parts now ?

man wouldn't that be nice. :D
the one I want is on 450,000EU lol

[knownothingmags]

6 mpa3's??? huh? wat will the 3 up top be doing? there wouldn't be much leverage? :confused:

3 mpa3's with 6 total positions for set screws to hold each mpa3 in place.

[knownothingmags]

uh oh I think I might run out of filament. :(
we will just have to wait and see. time to buy some more rolls.

[knownothingmags]

stock mount
video:
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/tripple%20dual%20mag/th_VID_20140103_105300_373_zps0ab05d28.jpg (http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/tripple%20dual%20mag/VID_20140103_105300_373_zps0ab05d28.mp4)

[BTAutoMag]

I love how you end each video with an "alright, thanks"

nice work man, I'm Jelly

[knownothingmags]

I love how you end each video with an "alright, thanks"

nice work man, I'm Jelly
not sure how many people would use a dye dam colapsable stock but I have one so ima use it.
otherwise, I would make more mounts for the back of am/mm rails for people, where the agd asa use to mount.

[Patron God of Pirates]

I wonder if it would be possible to feed them all with one warp? If the feed neck length was calculated just right?
88860

[knownothingmags]

I wonder if it would be possible to feed them all with one warp? If the feed neck length was calculated just right?
88860

nope. it wouldn't be worth it the small amount of paint that it would hold. I have my ideas of what im going to do.
good idea though :D

[Nobody]

I wonder if it would be possible to feed them all with one warp? If the feed neck length was calculated just right?
88860

negative. you would out shoot 2 of the 3, and because the paint would follow the path of least resistance(till you stopped shooting) and only feed one, maybe 2 of the barrels, instead of all 3. so you would need separate hoppers for each barrel/gun.

[need4reebs]

negative. you would out shoot 2 of the 3, and because the paint would follow the path of least resistance(till you stopped shooting) and only feed one, maybe 2 of the barrels, instead of all 3. so you would need separate hoppers for each barrel/gun.

have you tried that set-up yourself? if set up correctly it could work.

[knownothingmags]

have you tried that set-up yourself? if set up correctly it could work.

just don't want that setup right now.
yes I have tried many setups. this one works/ yes out shoot is very possible if not will happen + don't like how it looks.

I honestly like the three hopper look the most.
which is nice since I have 3 hoppers (revys)

[knownothingmags]

negative. you would out shoot 2 of the 3, and because the paint would follow the path of least resistance(till you stopped shooting) and only feed one, maybe 2 of the barrels, instead of all 3. so you would need separate hoppers for each barrel/gun.

this works I have printed it with a mini motor and an anti crush paddle so I don't break paint.
the idea is the motor alternates the tunnels that get fed, and I can feed up to 21.3 pbs to each tunel with the motor I hooked to it.
problem is I crushed the pieces running it over with the car after I let my son play with it.
and all the files for it are MIA.

+plus I don't care for it too much. I like it because I made it but it takes a lot to work properly.

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[need4reebs]

just don't want that setup right now.
yes I have tried many setups. this one works/ yes out shoot is very possible if not will happen + don't like how it looks.

I honestly like the three hopper look the most.
which is nice since I have 3 hoppers (revys)


haha…was asking Nobody cause he said it couldn't be done. but if the triple mag hasn't been fired yet how have you tested any loaders on it???:confused:

[Nobody]

well, you don't need a "triple mag" to test this. you can use a warpfeed with 3 paint openings in the tube and see if it would work. you just block or open the feed points to simulate the "removal" of paint from the tube and see where the paint ends up. but again, i will almost guarantee that it won't feed 3 guns reliably.

[Patron God of Pirates]

well, you don't need a "triple mag" to test this. you can use a warpfeed with 3 paint openings in the tube and see if it would work. you just block or open the feed points to simulate the "removal" of paint from the tube and see where the paint ends up. but again, i will almost guarantee that it won't feed 3 guns reliably.

Had that same thought so I tried it. Using a flat piece of plastic (from the bowling equipment) I tried to simulated simultaneous fire. Jammed up constantly. Usually only "fed" one breach, occasionally 2, sometimes none, and never 3 (after the first "shot").

However, using my fingers instead of the plastic, and "firing" in sequence rather than all at once, it worked beautiful.

Admittedly, Both of my simulations were dirt poor analogues. My thinking (which is moot because KNM is going another route) is that if you got the internal geometry right, and the tube length right, it could still work.

[knownothingmags]

haha…was asking Nobody cause he said it couldn't be done. but if the triple mag hasn't been fired yet how have you tested any loaders on it???:confused:

its fired.
just not assembled.

[knownothingmags]

well, you don't need a "triple mag" to test this.

if we don't need a triple mag to test this please thread this idea in a different thread. ;):D
this mechanism wont be used on this build.

[knownothingmags]

profile, tweeked and adjusted, almost ready just a few more adjustments.
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/tripple%20dual%20mag/trimag_zps2b7977a1.png (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/tripple%20dual%20mag/trimag_zps2b7977a1.png.html)

[knownothingmags]

thanks goes out to need4reebs for helping me figure out some stuff on this build and making me see how much of a brick I was making this thing and complicating it.
new parts drawn now just waiting for approval that all the attributes I made can be machined.

+1 for starting over.

cant learn unless you make a few mistakes.

[Syko89]

thanks goes out to need4reebs for helping me figure out some stuff on this build and making me see how much of a brick I was making this thing and complicating it.
new parts drawn now just waiting for approval that all the attributes I made can be machined.

+1 for starting over.

cant learn unless you make a few mistakes.

Need4reebs has been a great source of information for my build as well.

[need4reebs]

:ninja::ninja::ninja:

[knownothingmags]

intro video show show my setup just to get it shooting.
horrific.
videos may need to buffer. so wait for it. or not its up to you.
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/th_VID_20140116_122652_294_zps45d2630c.jpg (http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/VID_20140116_122652_294_zps45d2630c.mp4)
video of it shooting, dry fire.
http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/VID_20140116_122825_354_zps1f9f9235.mp4.html
of course I have no air, just enough to get about 12 shots off(4)
if you notice there is a little ratcheting effect because one of the rams is longer then the other, so it contacts the coupler holding onto the three sears first. you can really hear it in the video but in person you sure can.
pretty fun to shoot.
now I can finalize my cads and get the aluminum milled,
so I can run the air lines the way I want.

[Syko89]

Well done

[knownothingmags]

ooh found a 13ci tank, it last about 10 seconds.
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/th_M2U00012_zps425987a7.jpg (http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/M2U00012_zps425987a7.mp4)

[need4reebs]

Finally…haha…only 2 years later.:roll eyes:

[knownothingmags]

Finally…haha…only 2 years later.:roll eyes:

many things take precedent over a fun project, that wont make me any money.:D
and I took the time to learn a skill by starting this project, CAD and such
no hack saws used here :ninja:
but then again I wouldn't use a hacksaw on a build like this.
but that's just me.

[need4reebs]

many things take precedent over a fun project, that wont make me any money.:D
and I took the time to learn a skill by starting this project, CAD and such
no hack saws used here :ninja:
but then again I wouldn't use a hacksaw on a build like this.
but that's just me.


haha…wats wrong with a hack saw?

how much longer til its actually finished…another 2 years….haha?

just playing big Dawg….kinda

[knownothingmags]

haha…wats wrong with a hack saw?

how much longer til its actually finished…another 2 years….haha?

just playing big Dawg….kinda

should be soon, depends on when I get the cads to XMT and his timeframe.
-trying decide what what barrels to use, ultralites freak bored or deadly winds 16"
-I need some profile help with two parts other then that cads are ready for machining.
-need to buy and on/off asa
-need to decide on a forgrip, cf or a style of gas thru, or just cad up a custom one.
-need luke to ule the inteliframe.
-need to buy 3 feednecks from ccm

looks like a lot, but isn't,
except for the cad help, I can get the rest done anytime. its just money.

nothing wrong with a hack saw :D

[need4reebs]

should be soon, depends on when I get the cads to XMT and his timeframe.
-trying decide what what barrels to use, ultralites freak bored or deadly winds 16"
-I need some profile help with two parts other then that cads are ready for machining.
-need to buy and on/off asa
-need to decide on a forgrip, cf or a style of gas thru, or just cad up a custom one.
-need luke to ule the inteliframe.
-need to buy 3 feednecks from ccm

looks like a lot, but isn't,
except for the cad help, I can get the rest done anytime. its just money.

nothing wrong with a hack saw :D

oh shNit…so prolly 3 years eh…haha!

hack saw for life man!!! hurry up and git-er-done

[Patron God of Pirates]

You should machine the rail so that the barrel aim converges on a single point 70 or so feet down range. Then the balls will hit each other creating a very long range shotgun effect! :P

Or, so that the outer barrels aim slightly away from each other, broadening your lanes.

Or, set up the sear striker so that the shots occur in sequence rather than simultaneously!

Or, put an APEX on each and dial the backspin differently on each.

Or, lol that's all I've got. Pumped to see this thing get finished. :shooting:

[rukh013]

...
Or, lol that's all I've got. Pumped to see this thing get finished. :shooting:

genius... pump it

triple pump

[need4reebs]

genius... pump it

triple pump


dood that would be another 2 or 3 years….haha

[knownothingmags]

dood that would be another 2 or 3 years….haha
I know right

genius... pump it

triple pump
its ule milled so I would have to make special inserts so the pump rods travel proper.
and if I pump it it would just sit more then it will the way it is going to be :p

[vintage]

have you solved your air fitting problems yet? I have looked everywhere I can think of, asked my best maintenance man at work, and I've got nothing.
the only thing I can think of is hydraulic fittings which are larger than you want i'm sure or you may have to raid the front end of a cocker for its microline setup. sorry I couldn't be more help:(

[knownothingmags]

have you solved your air fitting problems yet? I have looked everywhere I can think of, asked my best maintenance man at work, and I've got nothing.
the only thing I can think of is hydraulic fittings which are larger than you want i'm sure or you may have to raid the front end of a cocker for its microline setup. sorry I couldn't be more help:(

cockers don't use microline, they use lp hose.
I think I have it figured out, the parts are in cad I just need someone to help me with some work on the last piece, just don't know the questions to ask.
-need to make sure my wrong way of thinking comes across so someone who knows what they are doing can understand the idea that's in my head.

literally just need to make sure there is room for the macroline elbow threading,
have It be as close to level with the elbow that is in the valve.

that's kinda where im at.
im going to call palmers tomorrow along with see what xmt can do for me.

[knownothingmags]

have you solved your air fitting problems yet? I have looked everywhere I can think of, asked my best maintenance man at work, and I've got nothing.
the only thing I can think of is hydraulic fittings which are larger than you want i'm sure or you may have to raid the front end of a cocker for its microline setup. sorry I couldn't be more help:(

so I think the problem is solved :)
but I don't think xmt will like to mill it,
but its not what I want it to look like for this part so I might see if I can fix it to what I want it to be. ill work on it some more tonight.
problem is im outa rum. bah.

[need4reebs]

wat are you trying to do?

[Ratzo]

Very nice triple mag project.
I started mine Tri-Mag project in December 2011, collected more parts needed but have yet to get anything more done to it.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u174/PB-Rat/DSCF0610.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/PB-Rat/media/DSCF0610.jpg.html)

[knownothingmags]

Very nice triple mag project.
I started mine Tri-Mag project in December 2011, collected more parts needed but have yet to get anything more done to it.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u174/PB-Rat/DSCF0610.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/PB-Rat/media/DSCF0610.jpg.html)

interesting look, I like it.
almost looks like you could do rotational firing with that setup.
I had thought of the triple mag along time ago when I got to know about the gold plated dual mag, it was actually the day I owned my first mag about 14 years ago.,
friend sold me his PF right mag with inteliframe, not long after I traded the classic in for an x-valve and I was on my way to my addiction.
ill tell the whole story with correct dates when the triple mag is finished.

*************
you could set that up on my rc car mag super easy. I like it.

[yellowmitten]

Very nice triple mag project.
I started mine Tri-Mag project in December 2011, collected more parts needed but have yet to get anything more done to it.
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u174/PB-Rat/DSCF0610.jpg (http://s168.photobucket.com/user/PB-Rat/media/DSCF0610.jpg.html)

you should make this arm mounted with 3 strike loaders:P

[knownothingmags]

files sent off to xmt for approval and adjustments.
from here we find out how bad I suck at cad.

this will let me know where my radius spots are off/wrong.
and maybe soon I can close out this project and start buying new parts for other builds.

[Nobody]

Ratzo: you need 3 matching barrels. mismatched ones look hideous. if you are going to do it, do it right.

[knownothingmags]

Ratzo: you need 3 matching barrels. mismatched ones look hideous. if you are going to do it, do it right.

don't listen to him, put whatever you want on it.
:D

but yeah getting 3 barrels you like lets say freak bore ultralite is expensive,
unless you know a guy. :D

my guy I call him "The Banker"

[Ratzo]

Ratzo: you need 3 matching barrels. mismatched ones look hideous. if you are going to do it, do it right.

That was just a photo to show what I'm doing, just using what I had on hand. The plan is to get 3 warp bodies and use 3 long Cocker threaded barrels. The marker bodies will be fully enclosed along with the loading system.

[knownothingmags]

this kinda lifted my spirits alittle when Igot this put together.
looks nice, just valium is pretty big deal for me, so assembly took some time.
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/tripple%20dual%20mag/aacaac47-d442-4d4c-a5d0-f9b809849084_zps9d8083aa.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/tripple%20dual%20mag/aacaac47-d442-4d4c-a5d0-f9b809849084_zps9d8083aa.jpg.html)
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/tripple%20dual%20mag/IMG_20140207_160633_094_zpsec731390.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/tripple%20dual%20mag/IMG_20140207_160633_094_zpsec731390.jpg.html)

this is a video you have to click on it to watch it. :D
some people have trouble with that concept.
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/tripple%20dual%20mag/th_VID_20140207_164803_333_zps9664d528.jpg (http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/tripple%20dual%20mag/VID_20140207_164803_333_zps9664d528.mp4)

[Swiss Cheeze]

Very nice.

[Temo Vryce]

I like the progress, even if it is a little on the slow side. You need to swap that 13ci tank for an 114ci 4500psi so that beast can breath for than a single set of hoppers.

[knownothingmags]

I like the progress, even if it is a little on the slow side. You need to swap that 13ci tank for an 114ci 4500psi so that beast can breath for than a single set of hoppers.

yeah depending on how well I can move if and when I heal from this car accident, I was planning on 2 114 ci tanks that would be on my molly tactical dye vest.
who knows though, I cant move around the house without a valium in me. and this neck brace isn't much fun either.

[bowcycle]

So any video of this thing actually ripping? It looks complete in the last video.

I wouldn't ask except it sounds like you're feeling better and I have really enjoyed a number of the projects you've come up with. Would love to see how this one has progressed.

[knownothingmags]

So any video of this thing actually ripping? It looks complete in the last video.

I wouldn't ask except it sounds like you're feeling better and I have really enjoyed a number of the projects you've come up with. Would love to see how this one has progressed.

no progress.
somehow I cant find my cads for the last few pieces.
so I have to find the time with the new move and setting up the printer, to make new parts to make sure they work again,
shouldn't take long once I get back at it,

but no eta on this, total crap shoot on my part.

update once things have come into order.

but it is like me to not get personal projects done in any amount of time.

thankyou,
KNM