KAM Designs M86 Run #2

[cougar20th]

KAM Designs M86 Run #2

It appears there is enough interest in these to be able to do another Run
Gloss Black
http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj576/robertlane5/Snapbucket/E4D274F6_zps83c96958.jpg

Dust Black
http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj576/robertlane5/Snapbucket/EA63A87E_zps0e664cb2.jpg

Raw
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Cougar20th/IMG_2503_zps9b201c62.jpg

Trigger, grip panels & screws included but not shown
All parts will be anodized to match.

Specs:

AGD Spec where it counts.
86 degree (CCM based shape)
Mounting for Fabco MSV-2 & clippard MPA-3
Tapped for Sleeper LPR mount Capable. The frame will be tapped 1/8NPT on the bottom but. You will have to modify the MSV-2 & its mounting plate. It will not come modified.
Frame accepts 2X emag trigger magnets above the forward trigger stop.
Can be used on twistlock guns or non twistlock.
Sear release hole for use on pnuemags.
AGD Saftey compatable. (Safetey NOT Included)
All Stainless Steel screws/pins
Trigger included, Forward & back stop setscrews.
Grip Panels included.


OPTION:
This run I will allow the buyer to chose if they want "AO ARMY" Engraved on there frame. It will be in the same location as the "BEO Mafia" on this frame. On both sides. It will be in the same font as the AO ARMY jerseys are.
It will be a additional fee. Going to the machinist for setup.
That fee will be $30
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Cougar20th/Private/IMG_2674_zps540f16a4.jpg

Other custom engraving is available but there will be a minimum number needed to be ordered. And price will need to be determined on complexity. Custom engraving is not available on orders of 1 frame.

Now the specifics.
As soon as I have enough spots filled I will have these started.

Pre-order is only open for 1 month.

Price will be $200 CLOSED


Your choice of finish.
Dust Black, Gloss Black or Raw (no discount for raw)

$100 Payment to secure your frame due now.
Absolutely No refunds. Unless the project falls thru then full refund will be made.
$100 upon completion. Add $30 if engraving option is chosen.

Time frame to Completion: TBD upon preorder finish & shop availability

Post then PM me for payment info.
Include: Both in PM & Payment notes: Your Address, your screen-name, Which forum, Your finish preference. Also please include M86 Run #2

We need to fill a minimum of 10 Spots for these to be started.

Spots
1) Swiss Cheese: Gloss Black: AO ARMY: Deposit: $100 (extra grips & extra trigger gloss)
2) Knownothingmags: Raw: AO ARMY: Deposit: Paid in Full
3) Mole1119: Gloss Black: Deposit: $Paid in full
4) RT Lover: Gloss Black: Deposit: $100
5) maverick13: Gloss Black: Deposit: $100 (extra grips & extra trigger raw)
6) Barkingspider: Dust Black: Deposit: Paid in full
7) fierymartal: Gloss Black: Deposit: Paid in Full
8) soulcoffin: Gloss Black: Deposit: Paid in Full
9) goin5150: Gloss Black: AO ARMY: Deposit: $130
10) Rschoi_75: raw: AO Army: Deposit: Paid in Full
11) hawaiianking: Gloss Black: Deposit: $100
12) OPBN: Raw: Deposit: Paid in Full
13) Blamtro: Dust Black: Deposit: $100
14) alpha_q_up23: Dust Black: Deposit: Paid in Full
15) Sandman: Gloss Black: Deposit: Paid in Full
16) Donut SD: Gloss Black: Deposit: Paid in Full
17) Levi: Raw: Deposit: Paid in full
18) Levi: Raw: Deposit: Paid in full
19) Knownothingmags: Raw: Deposit: Paid in Full
20) Cripes2: Gloss Black: Deposit: Paid in Full
21) keiko_819: Gloss Black: Deposit: $100
22)

I am NOT limiting the production run. As many that are ordered will be made. Possibly some extras but no guarantees there.



CLOSED

[Swiss Cheeze]

Interested pming you.

[knownothingmags]

I want one with ao army on it too. raw please.
will get cash soon to you, please pm me if I miss paying you,
got into a car accident and im really not all here yet.

[cougar20th]

I want one with ao army on it too. raw please.
will get cash soon to you, please pm me if I miss paying you,
got into a car accident and im really not all here yet.

Oh damn hope your ok. Adding you to my lists.

[Mole1119]

I will take two, gloss black please. :dance:

[maverick13]

One gloss black for me.

[cougar20th]

Replied to everyone.

[barkingspider]

Put my name on a dust black please. Let me know where to send deposit. Thank you for offering it up again.

[manwe33]

Could you please do a thin or slim frame. Something with the width of what CCM does. If so i would buy one.

[cougar20th]

Could you please do a thin or slim frame. Something with the width of what CCM does. If so i would buy one.

If I were to do that it would not be Pneumatics compatible. The parts just would not fit.

[Mole1119]

Swiss Cheeze - I sent you a PM, lets just say I had a little botch trying to send my deposit for these frames.

[Chrome]

Because I've never seen the CCM slim frame, how thick is it? Does the CCM thin compare to the stock CF AGD frames or are you talking even thinner than that?, Just to help me visualize, is the M86 comparable thickness to another mag frame? Considering where all the in-spec stuff is on the frame, some patience and a belt sander could probably get you down to a thinner frame with a raw one and a little work if you're handy with the tools?

[fierymartel]

PM'ing!

[cougar20th]

Updated the list.

I never wuld have thought we would be 2/3 there in 24 hours.

[cougar20th]

Because I've never seen the CCM slim frame, how thick is it? Does the CCM thin compare to the stock CF AGD frames or are you talking even thinner than that?, Just to help me visualize, is the M86 comparable thickness to another mag frame? Considering where all the in-spec stuff is on the frame, some patience and a belt sander could probably get you down to a thinner frame with a raw one and a little work if you're handy with the tools?

I dont know the thicknes of a ccm thin. My best guessis 1/2". Anyone want to verify that?

M86 is the same thickness as magnus m90, rpg chimera and others.I believe that number is 3/4" without grips but I would have to check the files on monday to verify.

[SoulCoffin]

Pm'ed you on beo

And happy bday:clap:

[Chrome]

Thanks for the info! I just took a ruler to the frames I have, and here is what I found:

AGD CF frame (and the metal frames just like it): 1/2" thick, 1-1/8" with stock plastic grip panels, 1-1/2" at widest with AGD rubber grips.

AGD ULE Emag frame: 3/4" thick, 1-1/8" with either stock or old style Luke's aluminum panels.

Dye 45 single trigger frame: 3/4" thick, no panels to test with.

So, unless you're going to build up some fairly thick rubber grips or something, panel grips on a 1/2" frame is going to be REALLY svelte. Looks like the overall average ends up being just over an inch however you want to divide it up.

[river031403]

Does anybody have a completed sleeper set up on these yet? Pictures?

[cougar20th]

Does anybody have a completed sleeper set up on these yet? Pictures?

Let me me cut up one this weekend. Then ill moint everything. It wont be functional. I dont have asa and wont be cutting my fabco.

[Chrome]

Sorry if I'm just not remembering seeing it in the original thread, but I read that the frame can take emag magnets above the trigger. Does the included trigger have a magnet (or a place for one) in it, or would that be something that would have to happen custom from somewhere else?

Also, I'm kind of thinking about getting in on this order. I really have no need/interest in a pneu setup. Could a frame be made without the sear release hole drilled? Would just be another place to have to dig paint/dirt out of at some point with it being there.

[cougar20th]

Sorry if I'm just not remembering seeing it in the original thread, but I read that the frame can take emag magnets above the trigger. Does the included trigger have a magnet (or a place for one) in it, or would that be something that would have to happen custom from somewhere else?

Also, I'm kind of thinking about getting in on this order. I really have no need/interest in a pneu setup. Could a frame be made without the sear release hole drilled? Would just be another place to have to dig paint/dirt out of at some point with it being there.

The frames will accept emag magnets. They are not included.

All frames come with the sear releas hole. To make it otherwise means custom and more cost. The hole is pretty handy on non pnue setups. I know one of my valves has a sticky on,off so otherwise i would hsve to remove the body to get the valve out.

[cougar20th]

Ok spent alittle time doing something painfull. Cutting one of the frames I was going to keep for myself. I had no intention of modding it but felt you all needed a real demonstration of how to modify these for sleeper mods.

Place fabco switch in the upper two mounting holes. Mark frame at bottom of the switch. Remove the switch and cut along the line & the back edge of the cavity. Removing the lower mounting screw. File slowly until lpr clears.
I did this using nothing more then a hacksaw blade and a file.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Cougar20th/Private/IMG_0768_zpse09165de.jpg

Tickler mounted and fabco mounted. You will have to cut the arm of the fabco down as nessesary. I did not as those parts belong on my M90 gun. You may also need to flip the arm on the fabco so that the air inlets are on the top with 90 degree fittings. Youll have to play some to find the exact setup.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Cougar20th/Private/IMG_0766_zpsd57abb91.jpg
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Cougar20th/Private/IMG_0767_zpsb4c1ae86.jpg

[BigEvil]

FYI - you guys should realize that if Cougar20th says it's going to fit, it's going to fit !! :)

[cougar20th]

FYI - you guys should realize that if Cougar20th says it's going to fit, it's going to fit !! :)

I understand a rendering only goes so far to make people comfortable so I am also willing to cut up perfectly good product to make sure everyone is happy.

[rschoi_75]

Hey Keith,
I'll take the last spot. I'm sure I'll get around to using this one too.

[hawaiianking]

Ill take one.

[knownothingmags]

I understand a rendering only goes so far to make people comfortable so I am also willing to cut up perfectly good product to make sure everyone is happy.

should have had me print it :tard:
considering the cost that it has costed you :ninja:
facepalm

[blamtro]

Pming

[cougar20th]

Im not going to be limiting the run. The preorder will be open until March 7. Which is what I originally put in the info. I never dreamed that it would hit the 10+ this fast otherwise I would have done shorter. But I feel it would be wrong to change the end time and possibly eliminate people.

[maverick13]

Good !

We're sure to get our frames !

[cougar20th]

This Run has enough orders that it will happen as long as everyone gets the deposits in before the end of the pre-order (March 7). Then we begin machining.

[pump]

What the trigger feel like mech?
Stock or ptp or other?

[cougar20th]

What the trigger feel like mech?
Stock or ptp or other?

Guess Im not 100% sure of the question.

If your asking how the trigger pull is then it would be like a stock automag. All the Important areas of this frame match a intelliframe.

If your asking how the shape of the trigger feels. I really dont know how to answer that.

[pump]

Your first answer got it, thanks!

[blamtro]

I'm trying to determine if a Palmers Micro Rock will fit in here. Can you let me know what the 2 dimensions in this attached picture are? What is the length of the tickler LPR installed? What is the longest LRP that will fit given the MSV installed with ports reversed?

89086

[cougar20th]

I dont have the parts with me at work but the green dimension is 2 3/16" I will have to check the others tonight or tomorrow before I ship that frame.

[cougar20th]

Well been trying to get this posted all day so back on track

This is a rendering of what the AO ARMY engraving will look like. It will be on both sides of the frame in more or less the location show. It will be outline text like the BEO MAFIA in the picture in the first post.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Cougar20th/Kam%20Designs%20M86/M86AOARMY_zps3b0ac4f3.jpg

[alpha_q_up23]

can i please snag that 14th spot?

[cougar20th]

can i please snag that 14th spot?

Yes you can. Im not going to limit the number made. I want everyone who wants one to be able to get one.

[blamtro]

Ok, please keep me posted. I'm trying to get my other parts ready in anticipation of this frame.


I dont have the parts with me at work but the green dimension is 2 3/16" I will have to check the others tonight or tomorrow before I ship that frame.

[cougar20th]

Ok, please keep me posted. I'm trying to get my other parts ready in anticipation of this frame.

The other number "the blue one" is 2".

Disclaimer: I dont know how well the below works never tryed it. Dont really like the idea.
But I know Ive seen people hold the fabco with only one screw (ussually the upper) in other pnuemag frames. That may allow you to remove some more of the mount to get more room to get a lpr in. The tickler just slide in before threading. But your still pretty much looking at a max of 2 3/16" (green number). Since that is the lower edge of the fabco. Unless you figure something on your own.

[Donut SD]

Peemed

[cougar20th]

Updated the list. I think its great to see so many repeat customers. The business is greatly appreciated.

[OPBN]

For anyone on the fence, get off it and get one or two of these. Seriously nice, comfy frames. Finish quality is top notch.

[knownothingmags]

Peemed

yeah you better buy another. lol
these are rally nice, nole the feel of the trigger and the frame.
I may need another.

[Donut SD]

I am lol.

[cougar20th]

Updated and added 2 more to the list.

(9 days left to get your orders in.) The machine shop will get the order to build on the 8th of March.

[cougar20th]

Materials been ordered so that we can start immediately upon completion of the pre-order.

[cougar20th]

4 more days to get in on this.

Everyone who has expressed interest please have your deposit in before the end of Friday.

[Levi]

4 more days to get in on this.

Everyone who has expressed interest please have your deposit in before the end of Friday.

Payment for 2 raw frames sent! :D

Thanks Keith!

[cougar20th]

Payment for 2 raw frames sent! :D

Thanks Keith!

payment received. Lists have been updated. I'm glad you like these.

[blamtro]

sent deposit

[cougar20th]

deposti recieved. Thank you

2 1/2 more days.

[cougar20th]

18 More hours to guarentee you get one if you want one.

[cougar20th]

CLOSED

Thank you to all that ordered. Watch the thread for updates. If theres a question ask.

[cougar20th]

While Im thinking about it. I wanted to make sure I posted this here for the 2nd run people so they didnt need to search. A copy will be included with your frame as well.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Cougar20th/Private/KAMDesignsM86Automag_zps3ed7a22f.jpg~original

[cougar20th]

A update since its been a couple weeks.
Not much to report currently. Parts are being cut. But I talked to the machinist everything is going well. I should have pictures of progress in the next few days.

There may be some extras. If you want to get your name on a waiting list pm me. I will sell the extras to those on the list first. Finish and quantity of the extras isn't known yet.

[Donut SD]

Whattya know...I just picked up a body recently. I just spoke with someone recently about automags being a wallet eater.

[knownothingmags]

these will go to good use for me :D

[Mole1119]

How are we looking, need some mag production porn :cheers:

[cougar20th]

Sorry for the lack of info. Ive asked several times for pictures but with the Nemesis build finally wrapping up the machinest always forgets. Ill call again tonight.

I believe next week is engraving for those that get engraved. So everything is still moving in the right direction.

As always feel free to ask any questions or email me if you need a quicker anwser. Cougar20th@hotmail.com

[cougar20th]

As promissed pictures of the frames in production. Sorry it took so long.

There were some changes at the shop right before these started. The biggest was a New (used) bigger mill.

For those wondering this is the mechanical slave that is finding the M86's that exist in specific blocks of aluminum approved by KAM Designs own Gremlins. Gremlins not included with frames we hope.
http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj576/robertlane5/Snapbucket/15197347_zps5248112e.jpg


http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj576/robertlane5/Snapbucket/878B511E_zpsa5bb6498.jpg

http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj576/robertlane5/Snapbucket/1E3C4275_zps044d3a82.jpg

http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj576/robertlane5/Snapbucket/49E2D836_zps7c52210f.jpg

So which ones yours.
http://i1268.photobucket.com/albums/jj576/robertlane5/Snapbucket/983ABF64_zpsd86fa38b.jpg

[SoulCoffin]

looking good :)

[Mole1119]

:headbang:

[Donut SD]

Mine is that one right there

[DarkApollo]

Finally got my M86'd RTClassic to the field. WOW the frame is so comfortable!!

[cougar20th]

Finally got my M86'd RTClassic to the field. WOW the frame is so comfortable!!


Glad to hear you like it.

[Mole1119]

PM'd

[Donut SD]

Any updates for us? :D

[RT Lover]

can one get in on this still? 100 down 100 later? do i have to get any engravings?

[cougar20th]

No new news. I believe the top milling is being done.

RT: I expect some extras. That said. I will not take money for them until all the preorder ones are out and to the people. Also I have a list going for the extras. They will not be engraved. If you would like to be added to the list please pm me. I will be selling the extras by going down that list first then to the public.

As always if there is enough interest we can always do another run.

[KurtPB]

I would really like one, maybe an extra, but I'd love the AO Army engraving.... :(

Can CCM grips fit the frame or is it limited to panels?

Thanks.

[cougar20th]

I can add you to the list. Pm me if you want onto the list.

Engraving is not a option for the extra.

You are limited to the supplied panels. They had to be made specific to this frame.

[Syko89]

I would be interested in one. Dust if possible but I will take what I can get

[knownothingmags]

these are super comfy frames,
DonutSD came to the local shop and showed me his on his amazing looking karta setup.
just perfect.
i would like to replicate that setup.
the feel of the frame is great the trigger feel super comfy and smooooooth.

[cougar20th]

I would be interested in one. Dust if possible but I will take what I can get

You were added to the list awhile ago. Cant remember if it was because you wanted one or if you had inquired enough times that I figured you needed a right to refuse one.

[RT Lover]

looks like putting the guts in this is idiot proof? will it have the lpr hole drilled and tapped?

[cougar20th]

Yes the frame is drilled and tapped to the lpr. But to fit a lpr you will need to make a slight modification as shown here in post 22 http://automags.org/forums/showthread.php?267576-KAM-Designs-M86-Run-2&p=2852483#post2852483

[barkingspider]

Remaining balance sent........

[cougar20th]

Remaining balance sent........
Recieved. Thank you

[fishmishin]

Wish I hadn't missed out on these, it would be awesome on the pump mag build I am working on.

[alpha_q_up23]

Any updates on this? I'm eager to see them in person.

[cougar20th]

Im expectig ano to be done this week if all goes as planned.

Im just as eager to get them to you guys. Wish it could be a faster process

[Syko89]

Im expectig ano to be done this week if all goes as planned.

Im just as eager to get them to you guys. Wish it could be a faster process
Let me know if you have any extra

[cougar20th]

Let me know if you have any extra

Your #3 on the extras list. You had asked I believe shortly after the preorder closed. Theres a good chance youll get one.

[Syko89]

Who are 1 and 2? Accidents happen :D

[str8boostn]

Add me to whatever list, 3rd run, whatever. Just take my money! :D

[keiko_819]

Im expectig ano to be done this week if all goes as planned.

Im just as eager to get them to you guys. Wish it could be a faster process

Awesome news, can I still add an extra trigger for mine, raw is fine for the extra one.

[cougar20th]

Add me to whatever list, 3rd run, whatever. Just take my money! :D
Will do. I like customers who are like this.


Awesome news, can I still add an extra trigger for mine, raw is fine for the extra one.
Your still on the list for a extra raw trigger.

[Chronobreak]

Who are 1 and 2? Accidents happen :D

:ninja: put me down for third run if here are no extras

[cougar20th]

Anyone on the extras list that does not get one will be contacted and if they desire added to Run #3 when that happens. But I wont even start that until #2 is completely gone

[KurtPB]

Any news on this?

[cougar20th]

Any news on this?
They are still at ano. From what I was told the lady assigned to it went out on maternity sooner than expected. They had to have someone else finish her work. Ivebeen told they mostlikly will be done this week.

I really wish ano was somethingI could do.

[knownothingmags]

looks like you need to invest in a small anodizing line. :D

[cougar20th]

looks like you need to invest in a small anodizing line. :D

Yea. Ano is one thing I have no interrest in getting into. Acids. Chemicals, thing I know how to deal with but dont want to. Plus no time and a kid due in early Septermber.

Fyi if for some reason any of this runs into late August/September Scott.(BigEvil) will be filling in for me. Its already arranged if the need arrises.

[knownothingmags]

Yea. Ano is one thing I have no interrest in getting into. Acids. Chemicals, thing I know how to deal with but dont want to. Plus no time and a kid due in early Septermber.

Fyi if for some reason any of this runs into late August/September Scott.(BigEvil) will be filling in for me. Its already arranged if the need arrises.

awesome man, congrats.
that is so awesome.

[djinnform]

When is the 3rd run?

[cougar20th]

When is the 3rd run?

Run # 3 will not be posted up until after all of Run #2 is out to those waiting and after the extras are sold. Although Im pretty sure those are gone as well according to my list.

My reason for not overlapping runs is simply I do not want to make the same mistakes others have. Which I feel is taking on far to much at one time. I would rather be doing one project slowly and reliably then have lots going on and be flaky.

[RT Lover]

how about Precision Powder here on AO... he does some awesome work!

[cougar20th]

how about Precision Powder here on AO... he does some awesome work!

Powder coat is a really neat process. It allows some things anodize doesn't and Precision Powder does a awesome job and knows what he is doing.
The reason I offer Ano is what 98% of automags are anodized. Black works for I would think 90% of the people and by offering raw allows the remaining to do what they need to.

[alpha_q_up23]

Yea. Ano is one thing I have no interrest in getting into. Acids. Chemicals, thing I know how to deal with but dont want to. Plus no time and a kid due in early Septermber.

Fyi if for some reason any of this runs into late August/September Scott.(BigEvil) will be filling in for me. Its already arranged if the need arrises.

just wondering if there are any updates on this, also congrats on the kid man!

[barkingspider]

Getting close?

[cougar20th]

Black frames were picked up today. There a couple colored that will be picked up tomorrow? Then all will be shipped to me.

[fierymartel]

:clap:

[cougar20th]

I completely agree.

I love designing and having the cool parts made for you guys. I absolute hate that it takes this long to produce frames and would like to thank every one who has bought one for their patience.

That is why alongside run #2. I piggybacked Run #3. So I will have frames in stock. No waiting once they are assembled. Run #2 will get assembled and out first.

[barkingspider]

Great news......thank you for all your effort in our behalf.

[Mole1119]

:dance:

[SoulCoffin]

i gotta figure out what i want to throw mine on, now...

[cougar20th]

To everyone. Some may have noticed im not online as much the last couple days. Had a power spike at work that took out our network. No internet, no email, and most important no radio : ( I barely can survive without music.

Anyway its being worked on. & ive dug out some of my old Cd' s.,

If you need me pm or email me. I will be checking my email every night and will try to get back to everyone.

Thanks for understanding.

[RT Lover]

you know its moving along and you have a life outside of AO, just keep the updates coming and dont over do your self!

[cougar20th]

Just a quick update:

Not much anything to say. I'm still awaiting the frames to arrive. I had expected them to be shipped and here already. Soon as they are here I will start getting them out. I apologize for the delay and appreciate your patience.

In the meantime. If you have moved please PM me your new info. Some already have and others haven't.

Due to the length of the preorder when I pm about final payment I will ask everyone to verify their shipping address.

[alpha_q_up23]

Just a quick update:

Not much anything to say. I'm still awaiting the frames to arrive. I had expected them to be shipped and here already. Soon as they are here I will start getting them out. I apologize for the delay and appreciate your patience.

In the meantime. If you have moved please PM me your new info. Some already have and others haven't.

Due to the length of the preorder when I pm about final payment I will ask everyone to verify their shipping address.
glad to hear that they'll be shipped soon, just waiting on this trigger frame and a few odds and ends to put a very special pump together:D:clap:

[RT Lover]

U have a few extra triggers to come off of?

[cougar20th]

I'm a father.

Kailyn Rose was born at 4:39 pm on August 18th,
3 weeks early. She is 7 pound 6 ounces.

Both Mother and daughter doing fine.

Ill be in and out for awhile.
I will be answering pm's & email as I have time. I apologized for the delay.

[zondo]

I'm a father.

Kailyn Rose was born at 4:39 pm on August 18th,
3 weeks early. She is 7 pound 6 ounces.

Both Mother and daughter doing fine.

Ill be in and out for awhile.
I will be answering pm's & email as I have time. I apologized for the delay.

Alright! Congratulations!! 3 weeks early and she was 7lbs? Wow!

Your life is never going to be the same. How long until she's drawing CAD and Solidworks files?

[Syko89]

Congrats man

[Levi]

Congratulations! :)

[knownothingmags]

I'm a father.

Kailyn Rose was born at 4:39 pm on August 18th,
3 weeks early. She is 7 pound 6 ounces.

Both Mother and daughter doing fine.

Ill be in and out for awhile.
I will be answering pm's & email as I have time. I apologized for the delay.

awesome,
congrats, take your time.

[maverick13]

Congratulations.
Take all the time to take care of them.

[kwik175]

Congrats on the new addition. A healthy wife and child are a blessing. Now that I have my Nemesis Cocker I suddenly feel the need to pick up one of these frames. Add me to the list whenever you get the time. No hurries and enjoy the family.

[cougar20th]

Thanks everyone. We are all home now. Everyones doing well.


Kwik: shot me a pm with your frame preferance. Gloss or dust. Ill add you to the list.

[some hippie]

Congratulations on the baby. Can I be added to 3 rd run in gloss black. Thanks

[cougar20th]

Sorry for not getting a update up sooner.

We were getting close. The ano place has been flaking. Funny they are considered "the place to go" by many. They came highly recommended and after this batch is done they will not be getting any more work from me.

They had everything done. When the machinist went to get them the majority of the frames had fingerprints in the ano. Which means they touched them before they were finished. Im not sure how many of the frames that was. Those frames affected are being redone. The machinest knows I would not accept them as they were and neither would he.

I am not happy with how long this batch is taking. After everyone gets there parts (Which all will be checking carefully before shipping) I will be taking a break and re-evaluating my suppliers.

[OPBN]

What about the raw polished ones like mine? Are these waiting on the others as well?

[cougar20th]

What about the raw polished ones like mine? Are these waiting on the others as well?

The plan was to ship all at once. Its simply easier. But at this point Im gonna request the raws be sent. If I had foreseen the delays I would have done so far earlier.




For those wondering. This has been my distraction for the last 3 weeks. Her original "Due date" was today.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Cougar20th/Kailyn%20Rose/KailynRose_zps51f87b4b.jpg


Im back to work full time now. So I will be responding to any questions in a more timely manner.

[audioSLAVE]

The plan was to ship all at once. Its simply easier. But at this point Im gonna request the raws be sent. If I had foreseen the delays I would have done so far earlier.




For those wondering. This has been my distraction for the last 3 weeks. Her original "Due date" was today.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Cougar20th/Kailyn%20Rose/KailynRose_zps51f87b4b.jpg


Im back to work full time now. So I will be responding to any questions in a more timely manner.

Congratulations! I think there are plenty of us that know what that is like. Also I believe we crossed paths 3 weeks back at Paintball Wizard, I was trying to get a reg shimmed for a buddy. Good to put a face to a name.

[cougar20th]

Congratulations! I think there are plenty of us that know what that is like. Also I believe we crossed paths 3 weeks back at Paintball Wizard, I was trying to get a reg shimmed for a buddy. Good to put a face to a name.

Ah yes we did. Damn wish I had known.

[knownothingmags]

Sorry for not getting a update up sooner.

We were getting close. The ano place has been flaking. Funny they are considered "the place to go" by many. They came highly recommended and after this batch is done they will not be getting any more work from me.

They had everything done. When the machinist went to get them the majority of the frames had fingerprints in the ano. Which means they touched them before they were finished. Im not sure how many of the frames that was. Those frames affected are being redone. The machinest knows I would not accept them as they were and neither would he.

I am not happy with how long this batch is taking. After everyone gets there parts (Which all will be checking carefully before shipping) I will be taking a break and re-evaluating my suppliers.

I would do the same.

[cougar20th]

Current update & explanation.

Update: Talked to the machinist yesterday. Actually managed to call him while he was at the ano shop picking these up. They should be shipped to me either today or tomorrow.

Explanation: Ano has been a huge hassle this run. Used a place that came highly recommended the short is they suck. We had to redo all the engraving on the frames. They over polished the first ones. And removed most of the engraving and they left fingerprints in the ano.

[alpha_q_up23]

cool! should we plan to have these next weekend or the following?
im just so excited to finally get to put my next build to use

[cougar20th]

Between ship time from Cali to NH, assembly time, packaging. Im gonna say a couple weeks. But im gonna be assembling as fast as I can. Its just tedious.

My main goals are.
Get the preorder frames you.
Get the "extras" assembled so those can be sold. ( if your onthe extras list expext a pm in the next week or two)(if you want on the extras list pm me)
But at least things are finally moving in the right direction.

[maverick13]

Thanks for the update.

I'm certain you did your best along all the process.

[cougar20th]

They have been shipped to me. :) I should be receiving the frames this week. I once here I will be assembling & testing during lunches. And getting them out as soon as possible.

[cougar20th]

The good.
Frames are in. Only the pre-ordered ones right now. The second box is still in transit with extras.

The Bad
One trigger stop hole on all triggers wasn't threaded.:cuss: They will be fixed asap.

Other then that everything looks great.

Once Again I find that I must apologize for the delay. I refuse to send incorrect parts.

[cougar20th]

Just so people have something to look at.

These were done for fun. I had no intention of doing colored until last minute.

1) Blue Frame: This frame will be a Tunaball giveaway. The only Blue frame & it will have laser engraved panels.
2) Red frame: Has already been Sold.
3) Purple: Mine, Mine, Mine. Needed one for my Purple pumpmag
4) Black "Sandman": Very special one off engraved.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Cougar20th/P1010322_zps3d8979ec.jpg

[OPBN]

If its the bottom trigger stop, don't worry about it on mine.

[cougar20th]

It is the bottom on all triggers.

[Donut SD]

I like how those colors came out

[zondo]

Is that one for The Sandman?

[cougar20th]

Is that one for The Sandman?

Not sure if its the same sandman. The one recieving the frame is a mmember here "sandman". The owner of Fox River paintball and a old Agd guy, helped Tom with the videos and such.

[cougar20th]

Update:

1) Triggers are on there way back to be tapped. Overnighted them at lunch.

2) Ive started assembling panels to frames. Figure it will speed up assembly later and I had alittle time.



If you still owe a balance please get that in soon.

[cougar20th]

As I start to get everything ready for the return of the triggers I am reminded of one thing that is easy for a M86 user to over look.

The trigger pin is done in the style used on Reflex Customs VER frame.
That means the pin is held in place with (2X) 4-40 x 1/8" setscrews from the top of the frame. see illustration.
That means you just loosen the two screws to get the pin out. DON'T hammer it out as you would a intelliframe.

Just so people see have this. It was lost in the thread. (one will be in every box with the frames)
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Cougar20th/Private/KAMDesignsM86Automag_zps3ed7a22f.jpg~original

[keiko_819]

Another great feature cougar...I don't know how many second hand frames I've gotten with the pin in the wrong way and/or scratches around the trigger pin area.

[cougar20th]

Another great feature cougar...I don't know how many second hand frames I've gotten with the pin in the wrong way and/or scratches around the trigger pin area.

I cant take credit. Jai is the one who first used it when he designed and made his VER Frames. I just borrowed (with permission) the idea.

[cougar20th]

Update: the triggers were overnighted to the machine shop over a week ago. Im still waiting for them to come back. Not sure whats going on. :mad:

Edit: I was updated that they are in the machine now being tapped.

[Sk8ermog]

Some eye candy for those waiting on one of these awesome frames. I didn't think I could like it anymore but now that its anodized I love it even more. ;)

http://m6.i.pbase.com/g9/15/525015/2/157821566.G3fEr04n.jpg

[OPBN]

Got mine today. Beautimous!

[cougar20th]

I still do not have the triggers. All I know is they are being worked on.
I apologize for the delays again. I appreciate everyone's patience with this. No one is more annoyed then me.
Im already working to ensure this will never happen again.

[PrecisionPowder]

I still do not have the triggers. All I know is they are being worked on.
I apologize for the delays again. I appreciate everyone's patience with this. No one is more annoyed then me.
Im already working to ensure this will never happen again.

Should you run into issues with the ano guy again give me a shout, frames I can bang out quickly and with some really fun and interesting colors should people want to do things other than black.

[cougar20th]

Should you run into issues with the ano guy again give me a shout, frames I can bang out quickly and with some really fun and interesting colors should people want to do things other than black.

I think i will be in contactfor a future project. Im oppening up more to the possibilty of powdercoat.

[PrecisionPowder]

I think i will be in contactfor a future project. Im oppening up more to the possibilty of powdercoat.

Check out my thread, there may be some colors and effects you will love. Also check the FAQ/Guide I posted

[OPBN]

90474

Getting there. Still thinking about exactly how I am going to modify the pump block to move it back.

[cougar20th]

Just to keep you guys in the loop. This is the update I received Monday the 27th


The triggers are done, Rob finished them over the weekend and we will be sending them your way after cleaning. :) -Jasmine

Along with the triggers should be the extra frames. Once I get out the preorder ones I will get to the extras.

OPBN was the only one I held a trigger back for, That is a "raw" frame from this run. Can use it as a mirror if you like.

[cougar20th]

Update: I have a tracking number. Just waiting for FedEx to show it as picked up.

[Syko89]

I can pick it up if it will save you some cash

[cougar20th]

I can pick it up if it will save you some cash

Gerry once I get is assembled I will be in touch. Its possible I will have to check and see how my schedule is. And timing with the little one.

[cougar20th]

Expected delivery of parts to me is Tuesday but I suspect Wednesday since it usually takes a extra day for some reason.

[cougar20th]

I hate Fed Ex.

Their webpage originally said Tuesday delivery. (TODAY). Now its saying Friday. :mad: (WTF?)

If its not one thing its another. :(

[keiko_819]

No worries cougar20th...I think most of us realize that your doing a hell of a job trying to get these to us. Thanks for keeping us in the loop with updates:cheers:

[cougar20th]

No worries cougar20th...I think most of us realize that your doing a hell of a job trying to get these to us. Thanks for keeping us in the loop with updates:cheers:

Thanks, Its the least I can do. Last thing I want to do is screw up.

I'm working to make sure this doesn't happen again with future projects. But it means starting over with new venders. This delay has unfortunately delayed everything I had planned for this year.

But I will still stick to my "One Project" at a time plan. Gotta make sure you guys get the parts you expect.

[bowcycle]

I hate Fed Ex.

Their webpage originally said Tuesday delivery. (TODAY). Now its saying Friday.

All the cold coming, eh? ;)

[cougar20th]

I have triggers.

I will be doing final assembly and packing next week. Iim gonna try to get them out y the end of next week.

[knownothingmags]

yea buddy.

[alpha_q_up23]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yuuuuuusssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[alpha_q_up23]

I have triggers.

I will be doing final assembly and packing next week. Iim gonna try to get them out y the end of next week.

quick question, did you mean youre gonna try to send them out by the end of this week or have to us by the end of this week?

[cougar20th]

Leave my hands by the end of tthe week.

[flampaint]

anyone willing to sell me their frame? I'd REALLY like to get (at least) one. Pm me if so, pls.

Or even better: is there any chance of another run happening?
i'd sign up for tow of these in a second! :D

[cougar20th]

I pm'd you.

I can add you to the "extras" list.

I had a few from Run #2, which I am working down the list.
I have approx 30 coming for Run #3. (No pre-order I funded them). But they are delayed. (Seems the story of my life when having things made). Im not sure when they will be in my possession. Im pushing for them to be hurried thru the remaining machining. I apologize to all who are on the extras list already.

[flampaint]

I pm'd you.

I can add you to the "extras" list.

Thanks a lot! :headbang:
We'll handle the rest via PM from here

[cougar20th]

Status update for today (this morning). Im moving ahead.

3/4 of the frames are assembled. Meaning in those frames trigger stops have been installed, triggers are installed into the frames. Labels are on the boxes.

Still to do: Finish the other 1/4 of the frames, label those boxes.
Still to do: Wrap all frames in bubblewrap (as long as I dont pop to much of it :))

[cougar20th]

The first batch of frames will ship today. That is the majority, I still have a couple to send. Ones I need to verify address or are awaiting final payment.

SHIPPED :)

Match your location to the tracking

I will update with tracking after lunch or tonight.
Chester NH:9114901123086023626477
Columbia MO:9114901123086023626354
Meridian ID: 9114901123086023626255
Plymouth MI: 9114901123086023926453
Shelton WA: 9114901123086023626156
New Rochelle NY: 9114901123086023626293
Belair MD: 9114901123086023626217
Aurora IL: 9114901123086023626378
Chula Vista CA: 9114901123086023626390
Bell Gardens CA: 9114901123086023626132
Durham NC: 9114901123086023626415
Honolulu HI: 9114901123086023626330
Paso Robles CA: 9114901123086023626439
Paso Robles CA: 9114901123086023626118
Saint Clair MI:91149011230860236626279
Junction City OR: 9114901123086023626125
Yankton SD: 9114901123086023626170
France: LC535399595US

Rschoi: I still have yours. It will ship early next week.


Looks like most of you will have them early next week.

[maverick13]

Thanks, Keith

[cougar20th]

Your welcome.

I highly appreciate that everyone was very patient with the whole process delays and all.

I'm pretty sure that a couple of the frames got boxed without the screws for the pneumatics mountings. There were leftover baggies when there should not have been. :confused: If you are one of the ones with those missing please let me know and I will send them. Its easier then reopening all the boxes to check.

Once everyone gets them Please post up pictures.

The total break down between Run 1 (QTY 20) & Run 2 (QTY: 30). Figured people would like to know exactly whats out there.
Gloss Black "BEO Mafia"
QTY: 4
Dust Black "BEO Mafia"
QTY: 4
Raw "BEO Mafia"
QTY: 5

Gloss Black "AO ARMY"
QTY: 2
Dust Black "AO ARMY"
QTY: 0
Raw "AO ARMY"
QTY: 2
(NOTE: AO Army Engraving will not be done again. There was not enough interest to make it really worth the extra time for the machinist.)

Gloss Black "Blank"
QTY: 11
Dust Black "Blank"
QTY: 9
Raw "Blank"
QTY: 9

Specials: Did these for fun to see what colored would be like.
http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Cougar20th/P1010322_zps3d8979ec.jpg
Gloss Black "Sandman"
QTY: 1
Gloss Purple (cougar20th)
QTY: 1
Gloss Red
QTY: 1
Gloss Blue (TunaBall Giveaway)
QTY: 1

Total: 50 Frames.

[bowcycle]

Nice. Getting 50 completed frames out the door is an accomplishment. Look forward to the pics.

(also looking forward to when mine comes through from run 3, but no rush)

[SoulCoffin]

thanks keith! now i gotta figure out what to put mine on...

[cougar20th]

thanks keith! now i gotta figure out what to put mine on...

This is how a new automag begins.
The rest of your new automag can be found here. --> http://automags.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?22-Misc-Paintball-Items

[alpha_q_up23]

I'm excited, how's the dust black look? Is it more cp dust black or ccm dust black?

[cougar20th]

Im not sure. I own very little dust parts. So I have nothing to compare to.

[OPBN]

I'm excited, how's the dust black look? Is it more cp dust black or ccm dust black?
If they are the same as last time, I would say more of a satin than a dust.

[alpha_q_up23]

CP has more of a smooth polish to it, CCM has more of a black chalkboard look and feel

[bowcycle]

CP has more of a smooth polish to it, CCM has more of a black chalkboard look and feel

which would put CP into the "satin" category.

[Syko89]

Mine should be here today I'll try and get pic's up.

[Syko89]

Awesome job man

http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u382/sykoraider/Mobile%20Uploads/20141122_130803_zpsou7jdqqq.jpg (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/sykoraider/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141122_130803_zpsou7jdqqq.jpg.html)

[cougar20th]

Awesome job man

http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u382/sykoraider/Mobile%20Uploads/20141122_130803_zpsou7jdqqq.jpg (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/sykoraider/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20141122_130803_zpsou7jdqqq.jpg.html)

Love that gun. That pump kit is awesome.

[keiko_819]

^^^ that ndz fits well on the bottom of the frame as well...

[cougar20th]

So I realized Im asking you all for pictures. And well I havent posted any of my purple gun.

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Cougar20th/My%20PB%20Guns/P1010331_zps7b499bc1.jpg

So here are pictures of my 2 pumpmags. Both with M86's The purple is a run#2 frame, The raw one is a Run#1 frame. So the finish is different then the run2 raws which are mirror polished.

[Syko89]

Very nice. You going to make it to any of the pump games at Boston paintball on Friday night

[cougar20th]

Very nice. You going to make it to any of the pump games at Boston paintball on Friday night

Who knows. It a tough one for me to do. Having to pick up my daughter at 4 near work (Wilmington Ma), Get her home in Amherst NH. Then I would have to turn around to get back down to Boston.

[cougar20th]

Looks like most will be delivered today. Enjoy guys.

[SoulCoffin]

just got mine. thanks, dude.

[Syko89]

just got mine. thanks, dude.

What no picture!! Unacceptable

[Fred]

Its glorious...

[barkingspider]

I wanted to say a big thank you for the present in the mail. Very pleased with your frame! Never been a single trigger fan, but this frame feels great. Attention to details is the tall tell of the quality product in which you make. Thank you! It was a long wait, but well worth it.

[knownothingmags]

yeah amazing, working on putting a setup together. not sure yet what I need to do. lol
freakin awesome I cant wait till the next project. ;)
im putting cash together for it now.

[alpha_q_up23]

Loving the feel of the frame! cant wait for this saturday to finally be able to play with this bad boy
thanks thank thanks a bunch Cougar!
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee6/alpha_q_up23/Mobile%20Uploads/20141124_193241_zps7shjaq9j.jpg

[Syko89]

Loving the feel of the frame! cant wait for this saturday to finally be able to play with this bad boy
thanks thank thanks a bunch Cougar!
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee6/alpha_q_up23/Mobile%20Uploads/20141124_193241_zps7shjaq9j.jpg

nice looking tac 1 man

[cougar20th]

Nice to see that gun again.

I'm glad everyone is liking the frames.

[BigEvil]

Oh, so that is what happened to Durka-Durka.

[knownothingmags]

and here is one idea for one of the two frames.
I like what im seeing.
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/IMG_20141127_222043_015_zps6dec9b72.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/IMG_20141127_222043_015_zps6dec9b72.jpg.html)
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/IMG_20141127_221945_627_zps2528e4f3.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/IMG_20141127_221945_627_zps2528e4f3.jpg.html)
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/IMG_20141127_222029_082_zps5ba47421.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/IMG_20141127_222029_082_zps5ba47421.jpg.html)
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/IMG_20141127_221930_139_zps057a7e30.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/IMG_20141127_221930_139_zps057a7e30.jpg.html)
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/IMG_20141127_221914_128_zps556e357b.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/IMG_20141127_221914_128_zps556e357b.jpg.html)

[bowcycle]

and here is one idea for one of the two frames.


But the back half of the reg is going to unscrew, blow up, shoot you in the face, and kill you!!! :rofl:

[knownothingmags]

But the back half of the reg is going to unscrew, blow up, shoot you in the face, and kill you!!! :rofl:

no it wont.
as long as you are smart and don't adjust the reg while its gased up.
yeah there is a potential for a problem but i wont let that happen.
** and there are already aluminum rails that have been made for people without the zlock channel. :D

[maverick13]

Hi Keith,
The frame is here.
it's very nice and comfortable.

Here are 2 pics of the marker.

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w492/maverick13fr/E7D_0013.jpg (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/maverick13fr/media/E7D_0013.jpg.html)

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w492/maverick13fr/E7D_0011.jpg (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/maverick13fr/media/E7D_0011.jpg.html)

I still have to tune it.

[cougar20th]

Hi Keith,
The frame is here.
it's very nice and comfortable.

Here are 2 pics of the marker.

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w492/maverick13fr/E7D_0013.jpg (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/maverick13fr/media/E7D_0013.jpg.html)

http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w492/maverick13fr/E7D_0011.jpg (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/maverick13fr/media/E7D_0011.jpg.html)

I still have to tune it.

Glad it made it. Looks good

[bowcycle]

no it wont.
as long as you are smart and don't adjust the reg while its gased up.


I was just messing with you because of the reaction when the rails without the z-lock channel came out.

[knownothingmags]

I was just messing with you because of the reaction when the rails without the z-lock channel came out.

oh yeah, offense taken or anything.
its just when people say that stuff, others go "oh man that will kill you every time?"

[cougar20th]

Even with it getting offtopic im gonna chime in on this one. From a designer/ dealr point of view a automag rail or unibody must always have some feature to stop the valve back from unscrewing. No exceptions. This is because i have to understand that someone will adjusrt the gun with it aired up. Doesnt matter if you told them not to. When they do and they will. Someone will get hurt. Then they will turn around and sue everyone they can think of. So the rail must stop the valve from rotating so that it matches the intent of the original rail. If the rail is modified by the end user then it becomes the users problem because he has chaged the part to be more dangerous.

Now if the part isbeing made for yourself then most of that doesnt matter.

So anyway. Any rail/body/frame I do that the valve bolts directly to will have some sort of anti rotation feature for the valve. Both for my protection and yours.

Now back on track... MORE M86 pictures please

[bowcycle]

The rest of my build is ready. As soon as the frame gets here next week, pics will be up.
seeing the pics that are already in just has me even more stoked.

[knownothingmags]

Even with it getting offtopic im gonna chime in on this one. From a designer/ dealr point of view a automag rail or unibody must always have some feature to stop the valve back from unscrewing. No exceptions. This is because i have to understand that someone will adjusrt the gun with it aired up. Doesnt matter if you told them not to. When they do and they will. Someone will get hurt. Then they will turn around and sue everyone they can think of. So the rail must stop the valve from rotating so that it matches the intent of the original rail. If the rail is modified by the end user then it becomes the users problem because he has chaged the part to be more dangerous.

Now if the part isbeing made for yourself then most of that doesnt matter.

So anyway. Any rail/body/frame I do that the valve bolts directly to will have some sort of anti rotation feature for the valve. Both for my protection and yours.

Now back on track... MORE M86 pictures please

Totally agree, if I were to give these to the community I would integrate a stop for the valve
sorry the pics took this thread off topic. my bad

[bowcycle]

Totally agree, if I were to give these to the community I would integrate a stop for the valve
sorry the pics took this thread off topic. my bad

that was my fault. I just meant to joke with you. Didn't mean to start chasing rabbits.

[Mole1119]

Just put mine on and shot it, it is a real comfy frame! Great job, it was well worth the wait :cheers:

[cougar20th]

Just put mine on and shot it, it is a real comfy frame! Great job, it was well worth the wait :cheers:


Excellent. Thats what I like to hear.

Hope everyone is enjoying them.

[cougar20th]

For those looking for Pnuematics kits. It appears Blamtro has all you will need. Even some specifically made for the M86's

http://automags.org/forums/showthread.php?270479-Pnuemag-Kits-with-Fabco-MSV-and-Clippard-MPA-Ready-to-Ship&p=2875933#post2875933

[blamtro]

These frames are beautiful. Almost have mine setup!

90641

90642

[cougar20th]

Im missed posting this. Thought I had.

All extras from run#2 is sold out & shipped. There were not many extras, those few are sold out.

Status of Run #3
This is what I had been considering part of the run#2 extras as they were planned to be finished at about the same time. Yea they got delayed as I pushed to get the pre-order stuff out. I will not give a finish date. Hope everyone understands why. I dont expect them until after New Years at this point. I apologize for this. I know everyone is waiting. Those on the extras list are still on the list. I will start again pm'ing everyone once I get the frames.

I would like to thank everyone for their patience. Those who were pre-order and those still on the extras list. This project may not have gone as smoothly as anyone hoped but everyone has been excellent to deal with.
I hope everyone and their families have a Happy & safe Holidays.

[barkingspider]

Thank you again, love the frame. You've converted me to the first single trigger frame that feels good. I'd take another when run #3 comes around. I'll keep my eye out for news after the New Year. :clap:

[cougar20th]

Thank you again, love the frame. You've converted me to the first single trigger frame that feels good. I'd take another when run #3 comes around. I'll keep my eye out for news after the New Year. :clap:

Glad you enjoying it. Ill add you to the list

[Stedspitcher]

My goal was to add myself to cougar20th 3rd run list. Ultimately I was on the fence on purchasing a single trigger type frame bcs of a old hand injury. However, thx you fierymartel (bought his last week)! This frame is excellent. Kudos cougar20th! Here she is on the warp set up.

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[cougar20th]

Nice looking gun.

[bowcycle]

Here's mine with the XMT-threaded barrel:

Edit-new pics with the CCM fittings

https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10897047_10153002456594532_3283993566835290410_n.j pg?oh=c4c9e72a01587604e95dd4365de2415f&oe=54FA99CF

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/1601573_10153002456744532_2608246358714270114_n.jp g?oh=4910f706fe7ad0fea91c0b3b52e2e225&oe=5532C275&__gda__=1429959390_27f941a7beea9413aac37e590f38581 a


Keith, it feels great. Really appreciate you letting me in on this.

[SN toter]

Beautiful frames, Can't wait to get in on the 3rd run.

[cougar20th]

SN toter: Thanks I added you to the list of people I will be checking with as soon as I get some of these in stock again.

Bowcycle: good looking gun. I like the mix of new and old style parts.

[flampaint]

Got the frame a few weeks back (thanks again BigEvil for selling me one of your BEO mafia frames!), screwed on all the pneu-relevant parts + the on/off with the external Microrock on it in a matter of minutes and took this new beauty of mine out on the filed the other day.
This is currently my favorite marker. Real comfy frame and absolutely easy and fun to set up as a pneu!
Sign me up for one out of run #3! (think you already had, but just in case... :dance: )
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[cougar20th]

flampaint: Nice, I like it. Great to see these things getting around. That would be one of two that is BEO Mafia and owned by someone other then a Mafia member.
Yes you are on the list for Run 3. I double checked.

[flampaint]

Bringing this back to life with two questions:

1. Has anyone used something other than a tickler LRP to make a sleeper pneu out of one of these frames? From what I have gathered, it seems that pretty much all other (better) LPRs (AK SCM III, Micro Rock, etc.) would, require messing around with the frame (ie dremelling, machining, cutting, etc. all thinsg which I do not wish to do to my frame) in order to make such an LPR fit.

2. Apologies in advance if this might be slightly OT, but IMO it is still relevant to cougar20th... so here goes: are there any plans to make double trigger version of this frame (maybe even a slightly taller one to accomodate a Micro Rock in an angle? just an idea... :D)?

[cougar20th]

Bringing this back to life with two questions:

1. Has anyone used something other than a tickler LRP to make a sleeper pneu out of one of these frames? From what I have gathered, it seems that pretty much all other (better) LPRs (AK SCM III, Micro Rock, etc.) would, require messing around with the frame (ie dremelling, machining, cutting, etc. all things which I do not wish to do to my frame) in order to make such an LPR fit.

2. Apologies in advance if this might be slightly OT, but IMO it is still relevant to cougar20th... so here goes: are there any plans to make double trigger version of this frame (maybe even a slightly taller one to accomodate a Micro Rock in an angle? just an idea... :D)?

1) The frame is tight for any LPR. Any of the larger ones will mostlikely need cutting. Thats why the channels for airlines are in the bottom of the grip. So you can easily asa mount the lpr. Which I know isnt ideal.

2) A double trigger M86, Its something I may look into in the future. Ive got other projects I would like to do first.

[flampaint]

Im not sure about a double trigger version. Its been mentioned several times. Its something I may look into in the future.
please do! if you do, I'll buy one for sure. I'd also be willing to prepay mine well in advance. So, as always, the question is then: how many other people would be down for one or more of a double trigger version and would they also be willing to prepay?

[cougar20th]

please do! if you do, I'll buy one for sure. I'd also be willing to prepay mine well in advance. So, as always, the question is then: how many other people would be down for one or more of a double trigger version and would they also be willing to prepay?

The only issue I have with allowing people to prepay is I have no idea when I can get things machined right now. The shops so backed up and every other shop Ive contacted wants way way to much. I'm not going to take peoples money until I know when I can deliver. At this point I cant even put up a pre-order due to this issue.

[blamtro]

Flampaint, check out the pics on page 1, 2 and 3 of this thread to see where the frame needs to be cut. I simply used a hacksaw, a file to clean up the cuts, and put 2 layers of masking tape down to prevent scratches while cutting and filing. I know a lot of people swear by Micro Rocks, but I have had good luck with the tickler. Also, keep in mind, to fit the grip panels back on the frame, you will need to have the inside of the grip panels relieved as the LPR is slightly wider than then frame itself.

[flampaint]

Flampaint, check out the pics on page 1, 2 and 3 of this thread to see where the frame needs to be cut. I simply used a hacksaw, a file to clean up the cuts, and put 2 layers of masking tape down to prevent scratches while cutting and filing. I know a lot of people swear by Micro Rocks, but I have had good luck with the tickler. Also, keep in mind, to fit the grip panels back on the frame, you will need to have the inside of the grip panels relieved as the LPR is slightly wider than then frame itself.

thanks! I'll have a closer look at that later today. :headbang:

[djinnform]

Where's the sign-up list for run #3?

[rats]

If you do a round #3, I want one, I just bought a pneu-kit for a single trigger project :)

[cougar20th]

Where's the sign-up list for run #3?

No pre-order on run #3. Im bankrolling this one so I can have some in stock. Run #3 is 30 frames. Something tells me thats not enough.
Its in process but Im waiting on the machine shop to finish them. Job keeps getting bumped as its "fill in work" for them But thats how the prices stay reasonable.

I will however add to the contact list for when the frames do come in.

[ElecTROkiLLer]

Put me on that contact list please!

[Unforgiven691]

Please add me to the contact list as well.

[Tunaman]

I want one too...Mag69 stole my red m90...so I have none...:(

[cougar20th]

You will both be added first thing mo day when I get back to the office.

[cougar20th]

For those on the waiting list.

This may be your lucky day to get a M86 Cheaply. Best of luck to everyone.
http://automags.org/forums/showthread.php?271198-KAM-Designs-TopGun-Paintball-Tunaball-Charity-M86-Frame-Raffle&p=2882151#post2882151

[notoriousMAG]

Please add me to the list. Love my first run frame!

[RT Lover]

got mine and i dig it! any pics of this frame in use with a emag pack as a front grip?

[cougar20th]

got mine and i dig it! any pics of this frame in use with a emag pack as a front grip?

Please tell me it didnt take this long to get to you.

Glad you like it.

Mavericks post 202 http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?267576-KAM-Designs-M86-Run-2&p=2875268#post2875268

Has a emag pack

[RT Lover]

whats the total height of the frame? i dont have mine here and looking for a god front grip to flow with it

[cougar20th]

whats the total height of the frame? i dont have mine here and looking for a god front grip to flow with it

Height is 4 1/2"