Bunny's SSR Racing Neo-chrome Review: The death of an x-mag.

[Bunny]

AO: How's it going guys? I felt like I needed to get this off my chest. I have been seeing a lot of positive reviews about the neo-chrome/aurora finish that has been floating on the major paintball sites around. I really wanted to surprise you guys with an awesome project that I have been working on for a few years now, but it did not come into fruition. I'm pretty embarrassed to show how much money I actually sent on this finish, but I felt like people needed to know. I have tried to work with the company a few times, but I cannot sit idle watching more and more people send their stuff to these guys.

[Bunny]

Hows it going? I just wanted to start a thread about my dealings with the company SpeedStar Racing that specializes in the neo-chrome a.k.a "aurora" finish. I saw them posting on pbnation in 2012 and thought about getting a few markers done. My review is about the first 9 pieces I sent to SSR. I sent both an Xmag and a Phoenix E-mag to them. The x-mag was butchered while the phoenix e-mag came out looking fine.

I decided to create this post to show any potential customers what they may be dealing with. I really hate to be "that guy" but after you read the e-mail chain I hope it makes sense on why I couldn't sit idle any longer. Read the e-mail chains and picture yourself in my shoes.


TL:DR Sent $900 to refinsh an x-mag, got the run around for a year, and want a refund of the $900.


11/8/12:
Bunny:


Thanks for the quick response! Most of the parts are in great condition. The only part that needs work is the "body" that is in the pictures. It seems like a bit of prep work could get it looking like new again. The black valve and the black bottom part of the grip frame will not need the finish. I did research the finish and a few people stated that the more parts you have the cheaper the overall cost would be. Is that true? I would love to include a few more parts, but I have a feeling it will be pretty costly project.

Btw, I just want to tell you how refreshing it is to get a company to answer e-mails about the finish. I'm super interested, but most shops push away the project because it's a paintball marker. Thanks again!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed.jpg


SpeedStar Racing


The body can surely get a lil make over to make it fresh again. Each part is done by hand and is very extensive to do. I can give u lil break on muti parts but unless u are doing hundreds of parts the price can't come down significantly. Think of repainting a car, much prep work and care is needed to ensure the finish product will be perfect, same for our finish. Sometimes we redo parts because we do not feel its perfect yet. It's an art form actually to get the colors like that.

Lemme know what other parts u have in mind so I can quote it all together for u.

We go back and forth on the process for a while to understand how it all works.

12/5/12
Bunny:

Sounds good. $100 per part is a great deal. I'm still awaiting a few parts so it may be a week or two before I can ship it over to you. I have a few questions though....

How would we handle payment? Do I pay full now, or once the parts are finished. Do you guys take Credit Card, Paypal, etc.

What would be the time frame once we guys get the parts?

I saw a couple of crazy posts on the Honda forums you guys frequent and want to make sure we are on the same page so we don't have any issues down the road. :-)

I can't wait to see what you guys can do with these parts.

SpeedStar Racing


To be honest, out of all the 100s & 100s of parts and customers we've had, we only had 2 who had a complaint. There is always 2 sides to every story. We tried our best to resolve it but rather than that they decided to bash us. *******s will be *******s I guess.

Rest assure that you will be we'll taken care of. All parts are warranted so no worries. Unless u drop and damage the part(s)

It will take about 8 weeks to complete. U can pay half when we receive the parts, ill send you pics when done then u pay the balance. U can use either PayPal or CC there is a 4% fee for either. Or u can bank deposit & no fee.

12/7/12
Bunny:

It definitely looks like they were trying to just troll you guys. It's a shame that the 2 bad deals are some of the first websites on google. Hopefully we change that once we get this project finished!! It's funny how the happy customer never seem to give the positive reviews online....

I like the bank deposit payment of $900 now and $900 when it is ready to be shipped back to me.

I'm awaiting a few parts, but once I get them I can package everything up and send them your way.

I'll send you another e-mail once i'm ready to ship!

Have a great weekend!


SpeedStar Racing

Thx brah lemme know when ready

Cheers!

Throughout December and January I was waiting for another set of parts to come back. I decided to go with a different project to get plated instead. I decided to send him out the first 9 pieces. SSR received them on 2/1/13

2/1/13:

SpeedStar Racing

How are u? Hope all is good.
I reviewed your parts today. Are these parts part of the 18 pieces that u wanted to do? I can do these 9 parts for $950 + $10 shipping back to u. Lemme know which payment method u prefer to use?

Thx again,
Wayne

Bunny:

They are apart of the 18, im still waiting them from Germany. The price sounds great. I think you mentioned doing a bank transfer. Ill do whatever is easiest. Thx!!!

I decided to do a bank transfer so I wouldn't have to pay the fees. I sent $60 to see that it worked and deposited the rest in the account. I had the option of waiting until all the parts were complete, but because I trusted Wayne I had no issues sending almost $2000 to SSR.

2/25/13
Bunny:

Hows it going? Hopefully you saw the $900 payment go through. I hit a few road blocks with the parts from Germany so I decided to take my project into another direction. I have 9 more parts ready to be sent over to you. I'm really interested in getting another type of finish done on this one. I think the first batch are the "aurora neo." I would love to see the other type of finish, "Aurora Midori" on these parts. I would love to have two examples of what you guys can do.

Let me know what you guys think!

Parts List: 9 total
Shockwave Body: *may need some extra polishing*
CCM Feedtube
Luke Trigger
Dye Front
1 Piece Barrel
ULE Grip Frame
Battery Pack- Top
Battery Pack- Mid
Battery Pack- Low

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-1.jpg


2/26/13
SpeedStar Racing

Hey Robert,
How are you?
Yes we received the payment, thx u!

Due to the shape of your pieces the Midori will not come out.

Your other option is the Ultra Nebula.

Lemme know
Wayne

Bunny:

Ultra Nebula would look pretty good on it. Have you done any paintball parts with the ultra nebula finish yet? I'll probably send out the parts to you tomorrow if that is cool. Thanks!

SpeedStar Racing

Here is an Ultra Nebula Luxe body
http://www.neo-chrome.com/gallery/nebula_luxe1/

3/1/13
SpeedStar Racing

Robert,
Got the package today. For these you want ultra nebula??

Bunny:

Glad to hear!! I would really like to get the ultra nebula if possible. I would love to see what a whole paintball marker looks like in it.

3/18/13
Bunny:

Just touching base seeing how things are going with the first batch of parts I sent you in early February. Hope all is well!

[Bunny]

3/19/13
SpeedStar Racing

The 1st gun will be ready in about a week. Ill send u pics shortly.
Thx again

3/28/13
Bunny:

Any news :-)

SpeedStar Racing

we did your parts but unfortunately it did not out perfect. so we're gonna
redo for you. As I mentioned to you before, it's more an art form. One
step that didn't go perfect then it ruins the whole thing.

here is a sample. If it's not perfect to our standard then we won't ship
back. Sorry for the delays but we'll get it done right for you asap.

thx for your patience,
wayne

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-2.jpg

Bunny:

Thanks for the update, I'm in no rush at all. I want these to be the best product you guys can give me so no worries here. I'm glad to see another paintballer is getting his Ripper intimidator done as well

I just got my tax return and I figured I could pay the rest of my balance off so you may see another $900 come through.

Thanks for the status update.

4/8/13
Bunny:

Hows it going? Hopefully you saw my next payment go through. I should be squared away with the $1900 payment :-) Any news on the finish? Thanks!

SpeedStar Racing

Almost there buddy, ill shoot u some pics when ready thx again!

4/26/13
Bunny:

It's been a few weeks, any news or updates? I'm heading to a tournament in June and would love to show off these markers to the designer and owner of the company that made them!! Thanks!


SpeedStar Racing

I should have it to you b4 june. We are still having some technical issues
but will be resolved soon.

thx again
wayne

Bunny:

Sounds great. Have a great weekend!

5-14-13
Bunny:

Hows it going? Any luck with the two projects? Thanks!

SpeedStar Racing

Ill have an update for u by Friday thx

5/17/13
SpeedStar Racing

Should have something for u by the 28th ill send u pics prior

Thx again

5/21/13
Bunny:

Sounds great. I'm really looking forward to showing off these projects for the owner/creator of this particular paintball gun. :-)

SpeedStar Racing

The green auto cocker is it anodized? We're having some difficulties stripping it

Bunny:

I never sent you guys any green parts at all. One was silver and blue and the other was raw aluminum. I sent you guys a ton of pictures in some earlier e-mails to you guys if needed.

SpeedStar Racing

The last cocker u sent was the raw alum right??

Bunny:

Here are pictures of what my parts look like. The make is completely different from autococker though. One is called an Xmag and the other is called a Shockwave. :-)

Shockwave in nebula
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-1.jpg

Xmag in aurora
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/image.jpeg

SpeedStar Racing

Ok gotcha thx

5/30/13
Bunny:

Hows it going? I was wondering if you guys had any updates or pictures for the build? Unfortunately the paintball tournament is this weekend so i'm bummed I can't show either paintball gun at the event to the president and creator of the gun. Any update would be a good one. Thanks!

SpeedStar Racing

The final coat for ur parts are going on next week. Ill send u pics once they are done b4 shipping back. Thx again for ur patience!!

Wayne

6/11/13
Bunny:

Any news? Thx

SpeedStar Racing

Ill have some pic for u later this week. Ill keep u posted thx

6/18/13
Bunny:

I was wondering if there is any news on the two markers I sent to you. I'm starting to lose hope!!

Let me know. Thanks!

SpeedStar Racing

sorry for the delays and I appreciate you NOT loosing hope.

Here are some prelim pics of your parts. Most of the parts came out great
but 1-2 didn't so we are gonna redo those. the parts that are good we need
to clean and polish them up then I'll send those to you. the other pieces
will ship back to you once we get them redone, cool?

Thanks again,
wayne

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-3.jpg


SpeedStar Racing

I apologize for the delays and I appreciate you NOT loosing hope.

Here are some prelim pics of your parts. a few 1-2 pieces didn't come out
perfect so we're gonna redo those and ship them to you once done. Theses
other parts here we're gonna clean and polish them up then ship them back
to you. looks sick right? should be ready to ship back to you by next tue.

what's your address again?

thx,
wayne

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-5.jpg


Bunny:

Thanks for the update!! I'm just very excited to get the parts back. I knew that this process is not easy and I understood that it may take a while. I just wanted to make sure you guys were able to get the process to work on my guns. They look amazing.

For reference my address is…

I do have a few questions.

-Are all the parts done in the "Neo-Chrome" finish? I sent the second gun to you guys for the "Ultra Nebula", but i'm a little bit confused if the other set of parts are done in the nebula finish. It doesn't really bother me since they look awesome. I just want to make sure. Hopefully there is no price difference between the two finishes.

-Are all the parts that you guys are working on are in the pictures? I've had some experiences in the past when shops have lost parts and I want to make sure they are all accounted for before you guys ship back the parts to me.

(First gun: 9 parts total) Neo-Chrome

(Second gun: 9 parts total) Ultra Nebula

18 parts total.

6/19/13
SpeedStar Racing

Man my bad bro they all got neo on them. Nebula does cost a lil more but I charged u neo prices, will that be ok? The next gun ill discount and make sure I nebula those. As far as missing parts, if we account for all parts. If missing we'll replace. Small parts are hard to keep track of sometimes as there as at least 8 steps each part goes thru. Ill keep u posted thx again

Bunny:

No problem on the nebula issue. I think the neochrome looks amazing with that body anyway. I can't wait to see the end result. Have a good one!

7/1/13
Bunny:

Hows are the last of the pieces coming along. Were you guys able to ship anything last Tuesday? Thx!

SpeedStar Racing

Ill send u pics and ship today

Thx u again

SpeedStar Racing

Here is the pis of your parts. There are a few pieces that we need to
redo. I'll ship those as soon as they are done. But I'll ship you back
these parts today.

Thx again,
wayne

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-8.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-9.jpg


SpeedStar Racing

USPS.com
9405510200883835127

Thx again!

Bunny:

Thanks for the heads up. I can't wait to show these parts off to the community.

Here is where the major issues starts. Tolerances and finish are not acceptable.

7/6/13:
Bunny:

Please take a look at the attachment and let me know what you think.

[Bunny]

From PDF Attachment...

Wayne-

I just received my first batch of parts and I am not very happy with the results. Out of the 14 parts you sent back 9 of the parts were okay. You guys did an amazing job polishing out the wavy body that you guys highlighted on your website. There are a few small flaws in some of the parts, but i’m willing to live with them because I know how hard it is to get the finish to come out
right. The other 5 parts that you shipped back are in terrible shape and as of right now they are completely useless.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/Issue1.png

Threading:
Most of the parts that were sent back had issues with the threading. For paintball guns threading is a very important factor with a paintball gun. In some areas the plating is so thick you cannot even screw two pieces together. Most of the parts that I sent have rails and threads that need to
fit in order for the paintball gun to work.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issue2.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issue3.png

For example, the top barrel screws into the paintball gun just fine. The middle barrel is absolutely terrible. There is so much build up of plating it cannot be screwed into a paintball body at all. It looked like you guys removed some of the plating but not all of it. I’m not sure why you would leave it looking like that at all. The bottom barrel is a stock barrel and that is what we should expect to see when threading a barrel onto a body. At the beginning of the project I was not aware of how much the thickness would change with
each part, even though some parts fit together fine while others don’t at all.

PMI Barrel ($55) Barrel Finish:
I’m also wondering if you guys plugged the barrel before the
plating process. In the pictures below you can see what the inside bore of the paintball barrel looks like. In the sport of paintball we need to have a smooth bore on the inside of the barrel to shoot paintballs accurately. The barrel of the left is completely rough on the inside. The barrel on the right is a stock barrel that did not have anything done to it. Since the bore is completely messed up I will also have to send that to a specialist to get it fixed.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issue4.png

Gripframes: ($50)
The grip frames that you sent back were drastically different. If I didn’t have
two to compare to I wouldn’t think anything of it. The frame on the left is very rough to the touch compared to the one on the right. I’m not sure if that is because of the plating process or what, but one looks fine and the other one is terrible. I understand that some sides of the parts may not be 100% but this part is visible when the paintball gun is put back together.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issues5.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issue6.png

Warp Breach: ($100 part)
This part has so much plating underneath it will not fit back together onto the body. Depending what we do, we will need to remove the plating so it can fit back over. The picture below is an original Xmag with the Aurora breach that you guys did.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issue7.png

Also the milling lines on the side of the part are almost nonexistent.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issue8.png

XMag Body: ($600 part)
This part was the reason why I sent you the parts to begin with. We
spoke about the body having a few scratches and you guys did a great job polishing them out.

The pictures of the blue part below really show how much work you guys did.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issue9.png

I do have a problem with some of the plating not working on the part in the 1st picture below.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issue10.png

The second issue I have is the large scratches within the body. It is very rough to the touch. It looked like someone took a steel brush to it. For this particular paintball gun this may render the part useless because this is the place that will seal the paintball gun together for it to shoot. I may be able to polish it, but depending the plating process I might not have the correct tools to polish it.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issues11.png

The thing that bothers me the most is that you guys completely polished off any of the body lines that this paintball gun had. You can see that there is a ridge that goes from the middle of the body to the opening in the back.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issues12.png

This is what is is suppose to look like.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/xmag12.png

CnC Battery Pack: ($180)

This part took me over 8 months to track it down so it is another part that really bothers me. I bought this part new and had no significant scratches at all. The problem is that the part no longer has the milled waves into it. (See picture above to see what it is suppose to look like.) I understand that the finish may make the milling look smoother, but this is crazy to me. The other two problems are that the battery pack has two bubbles on the side, and it also does not slide over the grip frame at all since there is too much plating on the side of the part.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issue13.png

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issue14.png

Before this whole project began I sent you a picture of my inspiration for the build which include the same battery pack that I sent you. As you can see below, the milling is still intact and really flows well with the neochrome/ aurora finish. “I can make ur marker look better than the attached picture. That was mostly purple and green. Our's will be more of a spectrum.” The color spectrum looks better, but the actual parts look way worse. What you guys sent me back really frustrates me.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/issue15.png

It is interesting to me that the first set of parts that I sent you back in February are the ones that look poor. The second set of parts I sent to you in March almost all came back okay.

The thing that doesn’t make sense is that some of the parts fit just fine. I can slide the battery housing onto one of the grip frames, but not the other. Some screw holes are completely fine, while others will need to be tapped again. It is wildly inconsistent from what I have seen so far. I’m a little bit lost with what we can do. As of right now none of the parts are operational because
none of them fit together at all, but even if we do get them to fit I have a feeling that the damage is already done. I feel pretty embarrassed about the situation so far. I understood the type of project I was starting, but taking a $1200 paintball gun, plating it for $900, waiting 6 months, and getting back
the parts looking like this feels like torture. It also doesn’t help that the finish I really wanted (Ultra Nebula) isn’t even on the parts that I actually wanted them on. I’m almost to the point of sending the parts back to you guys for the plating to be removed and asking for a refund. I would love to hear your opinion on the issue so please send me back an email when you can.


7/6/13
SpeedStar Racing

I apologize for the inconveniences. I'm willing to fix what ever problem
you may have. keep in mind tho, this is a plating process so there is
something on the surface that was not there before and getting this
plating to stay and look the way it does take effort and its not a perfect
procedure like powder coating. the holes where you say can't be threaded
we can re-tap, just let me know the thread size and pitch. the barrels
we'll remove the excess. we do plug the barrels but again its not perfect
because there are holes in the barrel. it will need to be honed out.

send me back those 5 pieces and i'll fix them for you.

thx again and I'm sorry for the problems but I'll make it right for you.

cheers,
wayne

[Bunny]

Bunny:

Thanks for stepping up and making it right. I've attached some pictures of the parts that will probably give us troubles. It looks like the plating makes these two parts impossible to put onto the body (im sending it back as well) I'm requesting that we remove some of the plating so it can slide onto the body.

Once you get the parts back in your hands hopefully it makes more sense. Let me know when you get the parts and we can go from there.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-10.jpg


SpeedStar Racing
Ok once I get the parts in ill check it out

7/19/13
Bunny:

Any news or questions? Let me know.

SpeedStar Racing

We are in the process of redoing ur parts so stay tuned

7/31/13
Bunny:

I was wondering if any progress has been made with my project. I'm starting to get frustrated with how this project has been handled. I understand that the process is very labor intensive, but taking 7 months to plate 19 parts is ridiculous.

Every few weeks I have sent out emails to you guys for status updates and haven't really heard back other than "we are working on it." It's starting to frustrate me because all I can really do for this project is to send you $1900 and wait. You have already sent back the first batch of parts and the very first gun body I sent you guys was butchered pretty bad. (See PDF from earlier)

It is also irritating to see pictures of the paintball parts you are working on your facebook page and on pbnation.com advertising your work. It is really hard to read all the positive comments regarding your neo-chrome finish even though I have been sitting here for 7 months waiting for parts that are almost unusable. (The body milling is non-existent after you guys worked on it, that is pretty hard to put a positive spin on it.) Both myself and the person you are plating the Ripper Intimidator for have given you ample amount of time. We have done nothing, but support you guys. It is really hard not to post on the forums and start a ****storm like what happened on the car forums we talked about almost a year ago.

I was quoted at 8 weeks to complete the plating yet we are at week 30. How can I honestly tell someone that without being negative about the situation.

I do have a few questions and need your honest answer. Are you guys having issues plating the first gun? What is exactly going on with it?

I'm pretty much at the breaking point of this project so if we do have problems with the first gun I would really like to know so we can figure out some type of refund on the parts that are messed up.

I'm just confused why the first gun I sent you guys turned out horrible, while the second one (98% of it) came out great so far. I physically have parts in my hand that show me what you guys can do so i'm really confused why the first gun came out so bad. Please let me know what is going on so we can move forward.

8/2/13
SpeedStar Racing

I understand ur frustration and I do apologize. The coating is more art form than specific. Sometimes parts take to it well, sometimes they don't. As u can imagine removing coating and then reapplying it without damaging the substrate is a difficult challenge.

As I mentioned ill make it right for you. Gimme some extra time to prove it to you pls.

The coating was too thick so now we have to use a different method which we are experimenting with on other parts to make sure it will be suitable for your parts.

Ill keep u posted bro...thx again

8/12/13
Bunny:

Any updates?

SpeedStar Racing

Wassup bro...we're about 3 weeks out for ur parts. Keep u posted

8/22/13
SpeedStar Racing

your marker is done and it looks SICK!!!!! I'll send some pics out to you
soon.

thx,
wayne

Bunny:

I can't wait to see what it looks like. Thanks!

SpeedStar Racing

Sorry for crappy iPhone & indoor lighting. Outdoors u can see more colors. The barrel piece that screws into the frame didn't come out with too much color tho. Looks mainly dark. U want us to redo this piece? Or u ok with it?

Thx
Wayne

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-11.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-12.jpg


Bunny:

:-( Those are not my parts at all. I think you are confusing me with your other customer *** *****. My parts look completely different.

SpeedStar Racing

sorry u are correct, i'm sorry bro....these are a parts for a diff customer. I'll have your's ready shortly bro. thx again

Request for refund. Round #2

8/29/13
Bunny:

I would like to request a refund for the Aurora X-mag you guys are working on. I hope you realize how frustrated I am with how this has been handled by your company. I understand how labor intensive this project is, but I simply cannot wait any longer. You guys will never be able to replace the milling you guys took off in the process. I have been promised over and over again with updates but you guys have fallen short. Seeing the latest paintball gun on your facebook page has made me very frustrated. You guys keep telling me it takes time and man hours, but you still somehow keep finishing other parts and projects while i'm sitting here waiting for another e-mail stating " 3 more weeks"

I have documented my issues with you already in a previous e-mail, but after you guys sent me pictures of your latest customers parts I cannot take it any longer. I can't sit here waiting for something that has already left me with a sour taste in my mouth many months ago.

Seeing the customer say that the Nebula is the same price ask the aurora finish makes me question what you guys were promising many months ago. I remember requesting the same finish, yet you guys forgot and gave me something that I didn't want at all. I was bummed I couldn't get it, but you let me know that it was by accident and that it did cost extra anyway.

http://customcockers.com/forum/showthread.php?48579-Win&p=392983#post392983

After seeing 4 different paintball guns get finished by SSR it seems like the very first gun I sent you was some type of test for paintball parts. The first gun I sent in February is butchered, but everything after that looked okay.

My X-mag: Plating issues.
My Shockwave: Looks great, just missing 2 parts to complete the build
Another Customers Ripper Intimidator: Aurora not taking.
rschoi Ripper Autococker: Barrel doesn't match

I would like to request a $800 refund for the first gun that I sent you. If you can't send back the parts with the aurora finish I can price out how much the actual parts cost to replace. None of the paintball markers that people send you are "cheap" by any means so it is usually in the $1000 range.

I would still like you guys to concentrate on the remaining parts for the second paintball gun I sent you. A few months ago you sent me a handful of parts that look fantastic, but unfortunately you guys still have two parts that need the plating. The grip frame already has the plating on it, it just needed to be tapped again. The other part is the wavy part that had troubles with the finish. If I could at least finish one of the two guns I would be happy. I know you guys are capable of plating it correctly.


**Attached is a picture of the 2 parts for the second paintball gun the Shockwave**

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-13.jpg


8/29/13
SpeedStar Racing

We can't refund u as the work is in progress. This coating reacts to the metal and the shape of the object it's not powder coating so there will be inconsistencies and it is very diff to do. Once done ill ship u your parts back

Cheers

[Bunny]

9/13/13
SpeedStar Racing

wanna give u a quick update. we are almost done with the stripping process
of your parts. we use acid which takes a long time as it slowly removes
the layers. If all the process goes well, I am hoping to get everything
done by this time next week. I'll keep u posted.

thx again

10/2/13
Bunny:

Another month gone by.... Any update?

SpeedStar Racing

We're very close to havin ur parts done. Ill send u another email this week

10/7/13:
SpeedStar Racing

how are you bro. here are some pics of your parts. most of them are almost
ready, they just need polishing now. but the body of the Xmag didn't come
out and we're working on that. I'll send back the parts that are ready 1st
to you. I'll keep u posted on those other parts.

thx again,
wayne

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-14.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-15.jpg


10/23/13
SpeedStar Racing

Here are ur parts, minus the body.

The barrels came out great but we still need to work on thrm( clean up threads and hone inside)

As for your trigger handle, u asked us to retap the threads. Pls specify thread pitch for all holes needed

In the mean time I'm sending u back the 4 pieces

Thx
Wayne

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-16.jpg



Bunny:

The barrel on the left side of the picture is not mine at all. If the picture is correct, I am still missing two parts as well. I sent you 18 parts total, and you only sent me back 8 of them so far. Could you send me the grip frames back as well. I will have someone do the tapping myself. I just want to get back all of the parts that I can.

SpeedStar Racing

I believe one of the 2 parts missing parts is the body, which we are
working on. what is the other part?

I'll ship you back the parts I have now

Bunny:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/spreadsheet.png

Attached is a picture of the missing parts.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed-17.jpg


SpeedStar Racing

lemme check on those missing parts for you.

thx

I have abandoned all hope for this project….

1/3/14:
Bunny:

Any news?

1/14/14
SpeedStar Racing

just got done with your parts. I'll send u some pics soon and send them back to you.

thx,
wayne

1/25/14:
Bunny:

Any news? It's been almost an entire year for you guys to get my parts done. I paid $2000 no questions asked, but I feel like you guys have completely taken advantage of me. I have considered the Xmag a lost hope. The parts you have sent earlier still do not fit correctly and I have a feeling that the last 3 parts are the same quality that you sent me before.

Do you guys honestly think you have handled this project professionally?

SpeedStar Racing

It's done ill ship to u on Monday

Thx again

1/27/14
SpeedStar Racing

USPS.COM
9405510200828062466314

THX AGAIN

1/31/14
Bunny:

I have a huge problem with the last of the parts you have shipped.

1.) I am still missing one part. Attached is a picture of what I sent you and what the part looks like. I have already sent you e-mails in the past talking about the missing piece.

It is the lower part of the battery pack.

Green=In my possession
Red=Missing

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/spreadsheet2.png

2.) The body you sent me back has been milled off completely. I have already had issues with you guys polishing off all of the body lines of the gun and now you guys have completely milled off a section of the gun. This is completely unacceptable. Your company has completely ruined this Xmag body. It is shocking to see the transformation that has happened to this paintball gun.

Wayne, I'm at a complete loss for words. This entire X-mag project has been a disaster. We are almost in week 52 (An entire year) of this build and I still see no end in sight. I am still missing parts, the body is completely trashed and the parts do not fit together at all because of all the changes in tolerances.

We talked at length on 12/5/12 about two people having negative experiences with your product and how there are always two sides of the story. I hope you realize that i'm the 3rd person that has issues with your company. Take a look back in our e-mail history and you can see both sides of the story pretty well.

Put yourself in my shoes. Picture sending $2000 and your favorite possession to a company and watch someone butcher it over and over again until they "get it right." I have felt miserable this entire time working with you guys. It shouldn't feel this way at all.

I would like to formally request a refund of $900 for the X-mag project you guys worked on. I am not happy at all with the way it has been handled. You have ruined a $1000+ paintball gun and I am willing to send the parts back to you guys for you to destroy. That is how bad this has turned out. I would rather throw away these parts instead of looking at what should have been something fantastic.

Let me know what you think and we can go from there.

Btw, you never answered my question from the other e-mail....

Do you guys honestly think you have handled this project professionally?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/XmagMilled.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/SSRBatteryPack.jpg


1/31/14
SpeedStar Racing

I'm Sorry for these issues I apologize. But I'm not here to leave u high and dry. I'll Look to getting those parts replaced and done for u. I'll get back to you shortly.

Thx u

1/31/14
Bunny:

The xmag will be pretty hard to find from AGD, they stopped making them years ago 2003-2004. I actually run the fan site www.xmagworld.com and I have been hunting down xmags for a while now. They come up every now and then, but they arn't cheap. I know AGD sold the last of their Xmag bodies to a dealer and to my knowledge he has sold the rest of the bodies a few months ago. I appreciate finding replacement parts,but because of how rare the paintball gun actually is, it may be an uphill battle. I am willing to take a refund for the 9 pieces that total the entire X-mag. Thanks

2/04/14
SpeedStar Racing

Every project has it's challenges etc not every part is the same (diff metals, condition, shape) my polisher made a mistake on your body. I'm trying to remedy this situation with u. Why u throwing me under the bus bro? I've read your reviews. It's not I said screw u, I apologized and I'm trying to fix this.

2/16/14
Bunny:

I understood that projects have many challenges, but your company lost one of my parts that you guys charged me for. I'm not happy with how the Xmag body and other parts came out. I'm glad you were finally able to admit that your polisher made a mistake, but that doesn't help with how this whole entire project has been handled by your company. It has taken an entire year to get to this place and i'm still without my project. I want to show exactly how SSR has handled this project. The reviews speaks volumes for the type of communication I have had with you guys so far. It is up to you guys to finish the deal. The way you have treated me throughout this whole process has been ridiculous thus far. I have waited 12 more days and still no new updates. Please let me know how you will finish out this project. I am not willing to wait weeks and weeks for updates.


2/17/14
SpeedStar Racing

A buddy of mine may have found an xmag. I'm waiting pics to verify. If so I'll redo body and the plate for u send them when done. Keep u posted....

2/22/14
Bunny:

The problem isn't with just the body and the missing part. The current parts I have in my possession still do not work with the body. The breaches that fit on to the body cannot fit together at all with the gun. Replating the body and the missing part (Which has to be the correct part to line up with my existing parts) will not be sufficient. I have already sent you many pictures showing you that the current parts in my possession will not fit on to any of the parts you have done for me.

If you plated the two parts for me, it will not make this situation go away. Even if I had the other parts here with me, the type of finishing you did to my parts are NOT what I paid for. Your company completely ruined one of the paintball guns I sent off to get the plating done. I don't have the time to go back and forth with you every week getting the run around about this deal.

I DO NOT want an "Neo-Chrome" Xmag.

I would be willing to send you back all of the neo-chrome parts back for a trade for the Xmag that your friend has. I do not want you to finish the Xmag in your neo chrome design. I think it is apparent that you were not ready for the types of parts that this paintball gun had.

The only way I would be a happy customer is to have my money refunded to me, plus the cost of the missing "CnC Battery Housing Lower" or a complete trade for a working X-mag. I do not want anything else done from your company. I want this project to be over so I can move on in life.

2/22/14
SpeedStar Racing

I'm still waiting for him to confirm the xmag. If it's the same as your's then I'm fine with trading the parts for the entire marker. Realize we can not spot coat or mask off an area of a part. I'm not a paintball expert so I didn't realize those 2 pcs fit together. I'll refund u too. I'm not here to rip u off or anything. If I do so I expect u to either remove or write some positive things on ur post. I didn't do this on purpose to upset u. I did the best we could with ur parts, mistakes happen I'm sorry. I'll let u know bout the market when I find out.

2/22/14
SpeedStar Racing

Your other marker came out fine right??

2/22/14
Bunny:

Yes the other set of parts came out fine.

2/22/14
SpeedStar Racing

It's called a Xmag CC, correct? That's what he says is that marker I was telling u about.


2/22/14
Bunny:

Yes. Its made by airgun designs usa. It is a CNC xmag. http://xmagworld.com/2012/12/22/the-cnc/

3/3/14
Bunny:

Any news on the Xmag?

3/3/14
SpeedStar Racing

My buddy's grand pa just past away so they're dealing with this loss. Soon as he lets me know I'll let u know.

3/17/14
SpeedStar Racing


Here it is, pls confirm.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/image%20%282%29.jpg

3/19/14
Bunny:

Thanks for the pictures. That is correct. It is an Airgun Designs CnC Xmag. Is this the exact color/picture from your friend?

3/24/14
Bunny:

See below. Please let me know so we can move on and finish this deal. Thanks.

3/24/14
SpeedStar Racing

I confirmed that the pictured marker is indeed the actual one. Tequila sunrise edition or something. Ok lemme get the marker in hand & we'll figure this out. I'm
Gonna try to get it ASAP. I'll keep u posted

4/1/14
Bunny:

It has been another week. Any news?

4/1/14
SpeedStar Racing

my guys says he will receive the marker in a bout a week. I'll keep u posted

4/9/14
Bunny:

It has been another week. Any news?

4/9/14
SpeedStar Racing

I'm Trying to out as we speak...

4/18/14
Bunny:

Any news?

4/22/14
SpeedStar Racing

gimme a few more days. i'm trying to get a hold of my that says he got the marker... if in the end he can't get it, I'll work something out with you still. I can fix it so the 2 pieces will fit and work together. thx

4/25/14
Bunny:

I'm not sure how many time I need to explain this, but the parts that you have sent me back are ruined. There is no way to fit the parts back together to get it to function. I have documented this issue many times for you in earlier e-mails. Technically I am still missing one part left for the build anyway. I was willing to work out a straight trade for another Xmag, but it doesn't look like that will happen. I have given you ample amount of time to try and work out a deal. I am willing to accept a $1000 refund for all of the parts you plated and I can send you back the parts that are completely ruined. It has been a year and a half since we first started this project with no end in sight.

If there is nothing else to do I will have to escalate this issue to recover my money in this matter.

4/29/14
SpeedStar Racing

All is not lost on the gun. I can fix it and get the pieces to fit. I know the back got some material polished away I apologize I'll compensate u for that. As for the missing piece. Do u anyone with the same piece? I'll make u a brand new piece cuz CNC. Send me back the body and the feeder pls. Box it up I'll have fedex pick it up from u. How's that? Thx

4/29/14
Bunny:

The gun is completely ruined. I have already outlined my issues in previous e-mails that show exactly what you guys did to the parts. It isn't just a simple fix to line up to parts together. The gun needs to be able to hold air and with what you guys did to the parts I do not feel comfortable connecting a compressed air tank to the gun. To be completely honest I do not think it would be safe at all.

Wayne, all I want is for this deal to be over. You ruined my gun completely and I'm okay with that. All I want is a refund of the $1000 that I paid your company to do the finish and I will be on my way. I am willing to throw my entire paintball gun (It is rare and cost $1400 for the gun) in the trashcan and start over. All I want is my money back for the plating cost. There is no way we will be able to make this deal right. Your company keeps putting me in circles and has made me wait for over a year and a half and we still have not gotten anywhere.

Please send me back a refund of $1000 and I will send back the parts that you put your plating on. I do not even want the aurora plated parts in my possession any longer. Each time I look at them I am reminded with how terrible I have been treated as a customer in this entire process.

By the way, I have already sent you back the body and feeder once before and you guys couldn't do anything about it. Has it been that long you forgot you did this already?


4/29/14
SpeedStar Racing

It is not completely ruined lemme fix it for u bro.

4/29/14
Bunny:

This isn't the first, second, or third time we have gone through this. I feel like you don't even read what i'm writing to you in these e-mails. How many times do I have to explain how bad you guys have messed up this project? I have already sent you multiple e-mails outlining what has happened during this process. You act like this is the first time we have spoke about these issues. The problems have been outstanding since July 2013. I already sent you back the gun and you guys did not fix anything. You guys actually made it worse. Take a look at my thread I wrote about this project. It will outline everything for you.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?267498-Bunny-s-SSR-Racing-Neo-chrome-Review-The-death-of-an-x-mag

I'm so confused on why you want this to keep on going? I'm utterly embarrassed about the entire situation. You have no idea of how many potential customers you lost because of this deal. I get multiple e-mails each week since I posted it asking about the resolution. I have NOTHING to tell them. I have tried to give you guys ample amount of time to fix the project and all you do is completely ignore my request. What are you guys trying to prove with this deal? I'm not happy with how it came out and I would like to work with you to meet in the middle and end this once and for all.

1.) Refund my $1000 into my bank account. I will send you back the parts.

2.) Straight trade. I send you back the Xmag parts that are ruined for your friends CnC Xmag.

I'm so confused of why you want to keep this project going? Your company will not make me happy to see an Aurora X-mag. It has been a year and a half with more than 100+ e-mails going back and forth. This project has been a joke and I just want this to be over.

5/2/14
SpeedStar Racing

gimme a few days. I'm trying to remedy this situation asap. I too don't want to this to drag on.

5/20/14
Bunny:

Any news? It has been around 18 days since the last update. What can we do to get this done?

5/21/14
SpeedStar Racing

A buddy of mine says he knows a guy selling some parts. He was at the Chicago event this past weekend, I believe u were there too?? Anyways I'll get this fixed for u bro. Besides that ill do another marker of yours FREE! 3 main parts: body, trigger & barrel. You choose aurora or nebula finish. Once I find out I'll hit u up.

5/22/14
Bunny:

I know who you are talking about with the parts. He is working on a new X-mag body kit, but it is not ready for release yet. If you haven't heard by now, i'm a large collector of Xmags and actually run the website www.xmagworld.com People consider me the "xmag" guy and I have been in communication with Colin (Deadlywind) since he needs a few more parts made to complete the bodies. There are a few parts holding him up in the process and I don't know how long it will take him to release the bodies to the general public.

I was in Chicago at Living Legends 7 and I took my entire AGD paintball collection on the road for everyone to see. I actually brought the second paintball gun (The Shockwave) that you guys worked on and showed it off to the crowd. To be completely honest, I had a ton of compliments on it, but I couldn't enjoy it because the aurora finish reminds me of how bad the Xmag deal has gotten between us.

I did bring the Xmag that you did and showed my paintball friends the results. We started trying to build the gun, but we quickly realized how bad the tolerances were. There too much plating build up to slip any of the parts on to the body. After thinking it over, the X-mag body may have not been the best paintball body to test the finish on. Since the tolerances were very important to slip each part together, the chrome plating didn't leave any room for the part to fit correctly.

Your company still over polished and removed key features of the body that will never be returned, but my friends and I agreed that if it was a 1-piece body like the Shockwave or your Inception Design autococker bodies, it may have had a different outcome. After looking over the parts I do not think the aurora plating will work on the X-mag body design unless we could guarantee the amount of plating placed on the part. I appreciate the gesture to find an X-mag body for me, but I do not want to sacrifice another Xmag to the experiment, especially one that is a custom design that will only have 24 completed. I'm completely done with the idea of having an X-mag with the Aurora finish on it.

I'm assuming your friends with the Paintballgateway.com guys. I was over at their booth looking at their Inception Designs autocockers you guys did for them and they look great. I was a little jealous to see how good their guns came out. Instead of working out a deal for an Xmag, would you guys be willing to make a deal with PaintballGateway to come up with something for me? While I was at Living Legends I spoke with Simon Stevens (Owner of Inception Designs and Budd Orr (Owner of WGP) and would love to put together a pump autococker like the one below.

http://paintballgateway.com/indekrausnpu.html with thishttp://paintballgateway.com/indekrauboki4.html

If I can't get a refund for this entire thing, at least I could get something that I would truly like to have. I'm already out of the Xmag which cost $1000+, plus the CnC Battery Pack which is rare and you guys lost the bottom piece and removed all of the milling which cost $180. Plus I paid you guys $900 for everything. So as of today i'm out almost $2080 for the Xmag project. All I have are a bunch of parts that don't fit and look pretty awful compared to the other pieces you did for me. It doesn't represent what my overall goal was in this project and it also doesn't represent the quality of work your company does.

Let me know what you think and we can go from there.

5/28/14
SpeedStar Racing

Ok lemme work it out. Imawaiting some info so once I hear back I'll let u know

6/11/14
Bunny:

I have given you another 2 weeks to come up with something for me. What is going on with this deal? It is very frustrating for me to sit through this whole project without any updates. I just decided to show off pictures of my first aurora paintball gun to the world. So far it has been a great response. Unfortunately, I was not able to give your company any credit so far. Many people wanted to know who did the finish and the only thing I could do is forward them to the thread about the X-mag project that your company has butchered. I really wish we could of worked together and release these paintball guns to the masses with a positive note, but we can't. I still cannot understand how you can treat me as a customer like this.

Seriously, take a look at the finished product of the first aurora paintball gun. It turned out amazing, but you guys are leaving me out to dry. It doesn't make any sense on why you guys are dragging this out for so long. It has been a year and a half now with no end in sight. Either make it right or don't do anything at all. I am fine with losing my investment and my paintball gun just to give your company a bad review. This has gone on for way too long.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/unnamed%20copy.jpg

6/12/14
SpeedStar Racing

hang tight i'll have some news for u tmw

6/12/14
SpeedStar Racing

wassup brah. I apologize for the delays but I'm working on getting this deal done for you.

ok so I will agree to your proposal. what I'm trying to get is theInception Designs Krytonite Autococker Sniper Pump Gun w/CCM 86 Frame - Black Dust
I should hear back from them in the next day or so. Once I get it, i'll send to you. you then take it apart and send me back the parts (agreed upon to do) along with your xmag. I'm basically trading you like you requested. then, i'll Aurora the pump parts and send back to you. cool?

6/17/14
SpeedStar Racing

I'm gonna speak with the paintball guy tmw. He has the gun

6/17/14
Bunny:

Sounds good. Keep me posted.

6/23/14
SpeedStar Racing

Look what I got in today!!

Ok wanna clarify that we are in the same page as far as doing this exchange and that you're gonna remove the negative post u wrote online etc...

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/cocker.jpg

6/23/14
Bunny:

Looks good! I'm ready to start this project over again. I was a bit bummed with how the xmag turned out, but i'm glad you guys are stepping up to make this right. This is my understanding of the deal so far.....

The current part list is at 9 total parts that I originally paid for a year ago. (Attached is a picture of the 8 parts currently in my possession. One part was completely missing from the gun that was never returned.)
• You guys will send over the autococker to me. I will inspect it and disassemble the parts.
• I will pick 9 parts for plating. (1)Barrel Front, (1) Body, (1) Feedneck, (1) VASA, (1) Regulator Bottom, (1) Grip frame, (1) Backblock, (1) CCM Pump, (1) Front Block.
• Since you guys offered to plate a few more parts in an earlier e-mail, I would also like to add three parts to the list. (1) Regulator Top, (1) BeaverTail, and (1) P.E On/Off.
• I will package up all 12 parts and label them with the "Aurora" finish on them and provide a photo of what I am sending so there will be no missing pieces. (I will cover the shipping cost on my end.)
• Once you guys get the parts all I would need is a confirmation that you received the package. As we talked in many of our other e-mails in the past, I understand that this process is very complex. I'm willing to wait the standard 6 weeks, but I cannot wait as long as I did before. (We are currently at over 1 year and 7 months since we started the X-mag project) I will be keeping my online thread on pbnation.com and automags.org for the duration of this project. The thread was not created to "slam" your company, but to show exactly how this process has been handled. It has always been up to you and SSR to show everyone what your company stands for and I think this will make it right. To protect myself I must keep the threads up until we are both satisfied with the results.
• Please provide me with pictures like we did before and keep me posted on updates and I will be a happy camper. All I need will be a tracking number when it is completed.
• Once I get the gun back in my possession I will let you know the results. If everything looks good I will put it back together and send it over toBenJohnsonPhotographyto get professional pictures taken ($60 charge that I will cover.)
• After I get the pictures back from Ben I will send you a link with a set of pictures that you can use for your website/social media. His work is amazing and I think it is one of the only ways to truly capture the colors of the finish. I will also remove the threads that you mentioned earlier and will post a comprehensive thread of the new build we put together.
After looking at the X-mag I think we BOTH underestimated the importance of tolerance in the paintball guns. I picked the autococker because of the results thatpaintballgateway.com and SSR had with the other sets of gun bodies and I think this gun will be plated just fine. Please let me know what you think about the bullet points above. It will hopefully be a simple process. I think the deal is fair for the both of us. If you think so we can go from there.

6/24/14
SpeedStar Racing

don't forget we are trading the guns also. when you send me back the parts of the autococker I need you to send me the Xmag parts that i did with it.

6/24/14
SpeedStar Racing

Also. i prefer to just do the main parts of the autococker. the smaller parts I don't wanna mess with as they are easier to lose and I don't wanna get into another issues with you all over again.

6/24/14
Bunny:

I agree, I will also be sending back the 8 parts that have the aurora finish on them currently.

I'm a little bit confused on your hesitation about finishing some of the smaller parts. I actually picked out a paintball gun that consists of parts that your company has done in the past. Also, I attached a picture that your company sent to me last year when you guys mixed up my project with Rich's auto cocker. Since I liked the Inception Designs auto cocker (which you guys bought for me) I decided to get the similar parts done for my project. I know for a fact that you guys can plate these parts just fine. I just don't understand why you do not want to do any other parts for me.

Go check your own face book page. There are currently bolts and wedding rings that are significantly smaller then what I am sending you. I cannot comprehend why you cannot do small parts for me. See the attached picture for many more examples of small parts done in the aurora finish from your company. Please let me know why my parts (that you purchased for me) are any different. It does not make any sense at all.

I paid SSR for 9 parts total and I expect at least 9 parts to have the plating on it. Since you guys offered 3 more parts (in a previous e-mail) I took you up on the generous offer. I didn't wait 1 year and 7 months to get a gun that had 3 aurora parts on it. I sacrificed a very rare paintball gun, time, and money to get this far and I will not accept anything less.

If you do not have faith in your own company to keep track of 12 parts for this process please let me know now. Be completely honest with me.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Personal%20PB/SSR/NeoChromeExamples.png

6/24/14
SpeedStar Racing

This is what I can offer for you. The exchange and to do the main parts of the gun. Smaller parts are more difficult to do and I don't want to get into another situation with u.

also we are exchanging guns not parts so you will have to send me xmag complete (minus the missing part) I will use it as a demo. I can't demo it in parts form.

6/24/14
Bunny:

I'm completely done with this project. Your latest e-mail pretty much admits that your company cannot guarantee that you will return my parts. I do NOT want anything plated from your company anymore. I'm willing to do a straight trade for the working pump autococker for the non-working Xmag parts. I will forfeit my $900 plating cost and the 1 year and 7 months it took to get this far.

You will send me the autococker and I will send over the Xmag parts. That is all. Nothing more, nothing less.

6/24/14
SpeedStar Racing

your reaction is exactly why I do not want to run the small parts, any deviation in color or what not I won't hear the end of it from you. My offer is very reasonable and fair. I'm trading you guns, not just parts. and Im offering to coat the main parts of the cocker for you which is much larger than the xmag thus costing more to do due to size. due to technical reasons I don't want to mess with the small parts. I've done my part to do the right thing, you act out of emotions all the time. balls in your court.

6/24/14
Bunny:

I would like to formally decline the coating process and focus on trading the autococker for the xmag. What can we do to get this deal done?


6/24/14
SpeedStar Racing

I'm fine with trading. but I want to clarify that you will send me the xmag complete not just the parts. As I will send you the autococker complete and brand new.

I'm not here to screw you. I hope if I send you the autococker that you will hold up your end of the deal and send me the xmag and not shaft me. Can you verify this for me pls?


6/24/14
SpeedStar Racing

my offer to do the coating for you is still on the table if you change your mind.

I'll do: barrel, body, frame, back block, pump

6/24/14
Bunny:

I will be sending you 8 Xmag parts along with the screws, electronics and valve. The parts that I will be sending you will NOT be working correctly because of how the Xmag came out. I'm not sure what your end goal of the Xmag is. The parts that your company plated are completely ruined. You cannot put them together at all. In a previous e-mail I have outlined everything that is wrong with the gun. I strongly advise that you do not attempt to put air into the gun. The tolerances have warped the aluminum. I have attached photographs of the parts in my possession in previous e-mails and that is what will be returned to your company. I will cover shipping from VA to CA and I hope you will do the same.

I will not "shaft" your company. Do you not remember the $2000 I sent to you via direct Bank Transfer over a year and a half ago.

P.S I will still have to decline on the offer of the plating.



6/24/14
SpeedStar Racing

ok rob i'll be sending you the autococker

cheers

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I don't understand whats going on in this pictures
I get its the aurora finish but is that the first attempt at it on the left, totally fubared?
and the 1000$ fix on the right?


3
OUCH!

you're in my prayers

4
Picture of left is aurora finish attempt #3
Picture of right is aurora finish attempt #4

I just opened the package today and realized they decided to mill off even more of the body lines. I'm beyond pissed at the moment since it has taken me an entire year to get to this point.

The kicker for today is that they are still missing the battery housing lower. :mad: I plan on doing a megathread on it since I have been seeing more and more people wanting SSR to plate their paintball guns. I just wanted to see your reactions so I can calm down a bit.

5
why are they milling your xmag body?

6
when they strip off the coating its like stipping ano...but alot more of a corrosive process, they milled off the damage

7
so much for sending in the ripper and phoenix mag to those tools.

8
Do you have any sort of legal recourse for damages?

9
so this isn't a guaranteed process then?

how are they in business if they cant do the process right? or at least guarantee it.

**** so just got off the phone with a guy for a quote from them he said there is no problem doing this fish to paintball parts.
so Im guessing he is lying? or what. I asked him if there is any issues with damage he said no.

10
no, theyll eventually get it right

11
Seems like a dremel would be less conspicuous. Smooth it off symmetrical and you would probably have a hard time identifying the change in that area.

12
I will bow my head and hoist up a cold one tonight in it's honor... /sadpanda

13
I need to find a sad panda emote graphic...

14
the finish, i guess, looks better on the right one, but...the body. wtf did they do? it's like they ground off the edge there. it looks terrible. i'd never do business with whoever was responsible for that. they ruined it.

15
The really goofy part is that you are putting on this very fancy cosmetic finish, and then you cut a sharp notch in a sexy-line and leave it. Not only does it look bad, but the logic just fails.

16
facepalm Man.. that's just wrong in so many levels.. I hope you get properly compensated for them ruining a piece of history.

17
did they actually send you the picture and say "it's done" :nono:

18
from what he told me on a message he is going to replace the parts. bah, not sure how, all my xmag bodies are gone and sold.

but its weird they have stuff turn out great all the time. I don't get why bunny's got efed up.

19
From what I recall of Aurora discussions back in the day, the Shockers that were done had a huge failure rate.

20
I'm talking with SSR again about the issue. They apologized for the issues and want to make it right. They are interested in replacing the parts and getting it done for me. I still don't understand why they can't just refund my money back to me..... Unfortunately, the way they do their plating I doubt it would ever work right on an xmag. The plating is so thick the breaches cannot fit.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Current%20Collection/Aurora%20X-mag/Screenshot%202014-01-29%2023.14.24.png

I sent the barrel back in and they removed the extra plating. Don't get me started about the bore inside the barrel.

Btw, i've been keeping this project a secret for a long time now, but it has finally boiled over since it is my 1 year anniversary of my project. They are 0-4 with the process on the xmag so far. The side-by-side picture was from the 3rd to 4th try so i'm not sure why they milled off excess material.

Stay tuned for the megathread to show how it all went down. I really want to give SpeedStar Racing a chance, but it is really hard once you see how exactly they handled the situation.

21
why didn't they plug the barrels? they really messed up. I hope you get results whatever they may be.

22
Jesus, this is sad. I feel for you Bunny, you're getting boned here.

I had an Aurora Ego, second-hand but pristine - started chipping before it even got to the field. I still have some of the parts which look trashed. Put me off this process for good.

23
it seems to me that half of the blame goes to the customer. clearly the process does not work; stop getting it. i would've cut my losses a long time ago, but hindsight is 20/20.

24
OUCH! I thought that was a bad photo chop. Not a milled off edge.

25
I went ahead and organized/published the e-mail chain of how it all went down. It took me an entire day to make sense of it all. I'm so worn out about the whole thing I have pretty much moved on since August 2013. I keep seeing more and more people talk about how they are willing to send this company money and I want to make sure they understand how the process has worked so far.

I pretty much just chalked this one up as a bad business deal :p

Btw, I'm still trying to work with SSR to get a resolution to this whole deal and if we can reach an agreement I'll post what happens.

26
Wow! Just wow!

27
Jesus, talk about a terrible way to do business, at least you let us know what is happening and warning people.

28
Bunny this is beyond effing tragic dude.

They have no clue on how hard it is to replace an x-mag body do they?

I hope they give you your money back. In an ideal world they should give you the money back and the money for the body...wish in one hand and s@#t in the other right?

29
Bunny, I'm at a loss for words. It's unfortunate that your project turned out like that. What a complete and udder disappointment.

30
i posted on PBN, but yeah, that is bloody ridiculous.

at least it wasn't something like a SFL, which would be near impossible to replace. it seems like this was done by some monkey ****ing a football, and then giving you the ****ty end of the stick, thinking that you didn't know any better. i hope there is an end to this, and you get some retribution for all the heartache and troubles that you've been through.

31
I think what really galls me about this whole deal is that they sent you the gun blatantly destroyed, missing parts, and thought it would somehow be OK.

32
Well that sucks.

Hate to say it but never pay by transfer. Just pay the fee or use the credit card so you can file a dispute.

You still might have some legal action if they dont work it out.

They did DESTROY your property and did not deliver the service you paid for.
Over 500 dollars is a felony

Call BBC, Police or the DA.

Here is some more info for you.

The dont do the service in house. Its out of the UK, thats why ALL the DELAYS on time for shipping back and forth.

Found these links for you. Had to register at clubrsx to see posts.

If you look you will see they even used the same pic for the valve covers, They just added the Speedstar logo to it.


http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=943313


5.16.13 http://hondamarketplace.com/showthread.php?t=2914838&page=3


He doesn't even do it in-house. He ships it to DMSracing in UK. Thats why it takes that long for him to get back to you guys.. Go straight to the source and save a ton of $$$. I talk to the guy at DMS, super friendly.

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=859903

http://hondamarketplace.com/showthread.php?t=2914838&page=3

http://www.ek9.org/forum/miscellaneo...-only-dms.html

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/proracerimports/Aurora_H_covers.jpg UK pic

http://www.speedstar-racing.com/store/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/660 scroll down to valve cover pic.

http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss337/speedstar-racing808/Aurora_H_covers2.jpg

http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?59418-Speedstar-s-Aurora-finish-flaws-(photo-proof)


BTW, he ships all his stuff to DMSracing in the UK to be coated. Thats why its a 6-8 weeks turnaround. He lies and says he does it in house.

Here is a thread backing me up. I also called them up and talk to them to confirm it.

http://www.ek9.org/forum/miscellaneous-appearance-lighting/24716-electric-aurora-coating-service-only-dms.html



33
Bunny-

Very sorry to see that hacked up xmag body. sounds like the success rate of the plating process has not changed in almost 10 years. aprox 4:1 failure rate. good thing you own a zillion xmag bodies i guess....i would just ask for 600 to replace the body. I would really like to have a gun done in this but by the sound of it its way too expensive for what i like to invest in a wall hanger. If i do decide to have it done i will be sending 3 of everything single part. That way if it gets screwed up they can just strip that one part and return it to me and start on a fresh one. The killer is their strip process. Im not really impressed by the fact that it adds so much thickness though.

seeing the shockwave done in aurora makes my jaw drop...I would love to have a phoenix emag done...but im not sure these are the guys for the job.

Im not sure what can be done with those feedneck threads on your shockwave. Im not so sure you can get a tap to fix them. Im sure you could modify a tap to be blunt enough. It would really scare me to attempt it. The threadsize is M21x.75
When i make them they are thread milled and not tapped.

[BTAutoMag]

after spending time and reading this WHOLE THING... I fell like they have lost their passion when they obviously started with some. Your emails make me feel like I'm talking to my parts guy at work. "when will this be here?" "tomorrow" ~walks away~

this is sad and disgusting. I hope this gets resolved...

[Bunny]

Thanks for the help Beemer. Hopefully many more people can see it. To make things simple I will try to update this post and the pbn post to reflect what SSR and I can come up with. They are still answering my e-mails so I have that going for me... :D

Btw, thanks for all the kind words. Even though things haven't worked out for me on this project, within the past year I have been able to work with some really passionate people on a few other projects of mine that have been great. I can't wait to show those off as soon as I can. :D

In the future I will only work with companies that I know that they will treat my parts like their own.

[Beemer]

Fellow XMag Bro.

Don't hesitate to take action. What they did is criminal damage to property and after 500 bones its a felony.

Call The BBB, the DA or the Police to see what you can do. AND next time USE the damn credit card.

[PyroFiend]

Well I'm definitely not sending my Torque to them....
Did you actually send them the beat up parts to finish destroying?

[magman313]

holly **** dude that's horrible :eek:

[captian pinky]

sad story. just skimmed through it. i hope you can get some kind of settlement from it.

[Menace_AO]

Bunny,

This is heartbreaking, and almost unreadably painful.

Thank you for posting this up as a warning, and for including the correspondence trail. There was a lot to be deciphered in the plater's messages when read in toto like this. I'm not talking about the linguistic atrocities, but rather the carelessness of speech, the breezy flippancy of attitude. I mean, this guy is a businessman, and he's calling you 'brah'? And then there is the overconfidence with respect to doing work on what is clearly out of their wheelhouse. Did he even attempt to ask questions about part fitment, barrel bore, or any of it?

Are they even making an attempt at dealing with this professionally, or just doing the whole yeahyeahyeah,thanksbuddy,we'llbeseeingya routine?

Oh, this makes my blood boil.

I'm also intrigued by the possibility that this was farmed out. Is there a way to contact this UK entity with pics of your markers and confirm? I doubt there would be many like that, and they should remember it if those were actually there. But interestingly, the UK entity linked in the posts above is showing pictures that have SSR Racing's logo on them, as well as the California-based JSJ Brothers, all of which are also in SSR's gallery. So maybe the Brit company is actually farming out over here? Or both are farming to an as-yet-undetermined third or fourth party? Still, the Brit company's turnaround is indeed 5 weeks shorter. EDIT: Hmn, hang on . . .. Looks like their website is down, so it's hard to say.

In any case, my sincerest condolences and hopes that you are able to get this resolved in some semblance of good order.

[Teimusan]

That is horrible man. I did a bunch of my own research and a lot of the neo chrome people are just farming out the service. The aurora plating is just high polished then pvd coated.

There are a few companies in the US that can do it.
Just do a google search for decortive rainbow pvd coating. The are many in china that is we're all the aurora scissors, lighters, and earrings come from.

I would have used a pvd coating company here in the US. Most of the do not offer polishing services, so you need to have it stripped and high polished before sending. I have found a few for about $500 for a batch.

It sucks you paid $900 to someone that only just out sourced to someone else.

[Tropical Life]

:cry::mad::tard::confused::(:cuss:.....God Bless

[renie]

Man that sucks Bunny , is it a UK company?

[blackdeath1k]

WOW! Just WOW! And the plot thickens on this mess.

[BTAutoMag]

I agree with what Beemer posted.


Over 500 dollars is a felony

[djinnform]

Thanks for taking the time to post this. I have them on my Facebook, and was always wondering about the risks vs. reward here. I was going to send them something at some point, but will probably not now that I have seen this disaster.

[rschoi_75]

Wow. Sorry to hear about that. I hope you can get a refund for the cost of the X-mag.

[ScottyBeans]

That sucks man. Sorry to hear about this.

[p8ntbal4me]

Second what Beemer said,....

,.. thats criminal what they did to you

Based on working with companies like ATMF and PK,. (not that the process is the same,.. but close) it looks like they waited to batch your parts with the parts of other companies and customers.

Also,.. some of those look like they did like you thought,.. test parts.

Im thinking that in the acid wash, they didnt figure on the acutal alloy reaction times for your pieces versus the other ones in the wash bin. 7000 series verus 6061 allum. takes different times to cure in the bath and also the amount of times you have to dunk them.

I hope you are getting a refund,...

[Patron God of Pirates]

What a pile of garbage.
You should get a full refund, your parts replaced, and $50 for every time the guy called you "brah" or typed "Thx".

[Justus]

what a pile of garbage.
You should get a full refund, your parts replaced, and $50 for every time the guy called you "brah" or typed "thx".

qft!!

[p8ntbal4me]

What a pile of garbage.
You should get $50 for every time the guy called you "brah".

I have met Bunny in person,... he doesnt look like the kind of person that would need a "brah". :)

[ElPanda]

this is what nightmares are made of right here

[cyrus-the-virus]

Talk about a heartbreaking experience. Thank you for sharing, I hope you can get your parts replaced and a refund.

[MAGgot]

What a devastating read.

This is the most disrespectful and unprofessional business person I've seen in a while. Who call their customer "bro" and "buddy"? I flippin HATE being called these things, it's talking down to somebody!

This sentence sums it up: "sorry u are correct, i'm sorry bro....these are a parts for a diff customer. I'll have your's ready shortly bro. thx again "

[Bunny]

Mini update: Posted in thread above. We are still going back and forth with no end in sight. I really don't feel like having to get the BBB or the police involved or whatever you would do in this situation, but I may have to. I'm not sure why they don't want to send me back my money and call it a day.

[BTAutoMag]

Just tell them that you have over 2,000 posts on a site called automags.org

[p8ntbal4me]

Don't report them to the police = turns into a Mongoose topic

Report them to the police = start a trend on this forum to mark the standard for these guys that do these kinda of dealings

[knownothingmags]

Don't report them to the police = turns into a Mongoose topic

Report them to the police = start a trend on this forum to mark the standard for these guys that do these kinda of dealings

good EFING point:hail:
EDIT* just hope you get a resolve that you are happy with bunny

[Beemer]

Every project has it's challenges etc not every part is the same (diff metals, condition, shape) my polisher made a mistake on your body. I'm trying to remedy this situation with u. Why u throwing me under the bus bro? I've read your reviews. It's not I said screw u, I apologized and I'm trying to fix this.

Gee Bro y u throw Bunny under the bus and rip him off after you wrecked his rare marker. There is no try. Only Do or do not. You are not refunding his money and replaceing what you destroyed. Charge your polisher for it. You ARE screwing him.

[Tropical Life]

Do to the amount of money involved in this project and the admittance of the business saying his crew messed up. I would just proceed with a property damage in small claims court. The business already has admitted to negligence.

most important:
Negligence concepts are tricky: Don't try to be a judge. There is often no foolproof way to determine in advance whether someone will be judged to be negligent. In fact, when it comes to accidents, it's often so close a question that lawyers regularly fail to predict the outcome. So if you have suffered a real loss and think someone else caused it, bring your case, present as much evidence supporting your point of view as possible, and let the judge decide.

Telling the police wont do nothing really and they arent gonna do nothing unless its involving a crime, this was just bad business practice.

Sad to say but its either refund or see him in court, realistic options.

here is the link which might help you some:
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/small-claims-book/chapter2-4.html

[PrecisionPowder]

I do not really understand why he kept comparing his finish to powder coating. That makes zero sense. What really bugs me though is if I can make a .004-.01" thick coating (depending on finish type and number of coats) work on a paintball gun with ultra tight tolerances why can't he do it with neochrome. His comment about the barrel porting being the issue of needing to repolish the barrel is outrageous. There are specific high heat tapes made exactly for this purpose. I use them every day doing barrels to cover the inside of the barrel from material getting past the porting and sticking to the inside of the barrel. If you run into parts that are so beyond repair let me know, I can get all the putting and such smoothed out and filled in for you. It may take me a bit of time because I need to build the surface back up but I can do it if it helps you out.

I would take them to small claims if you can, the damage to those parts is unacceptable.

Now I do understand why I does a while for them to do the parts (neo chroming is a greatly expensive process, costing $1000s to make even one run through the machine). It is possible their were waiting to build a full run before doing the parts to make it cost effective.

[blackdeath1k]

With the ordeal you have dealt with the last year. And the fact this is a "legit" business. Not a one man do you a favor deal. I would want a full refund. And my part replaced. IE fair market value. Otherwise I'd at least look in to a layer.

[fstop_22]

I think Speedstar Racing wants to finish the project so that it looks better for their reputation. However, finding the pieces in a reasonable time frame and at a reasonable price is going to nearly take a miracle. They might not realize what will be involved obtaining these pieces. Also, they may feel that giving you a refund will set a bad precedent (others may want refunds). If this is their thinking, its unacceptable. They destroyed your property, didn't perform the services you requested and have no realistic approach to making things right. Small claims court may be your only option. It wouldn't be the option I'd want to take but they might be forcing your hand. I'm sorry for your problems and thank you for letting other know so they don't suffer the same.

[Sandman]

Wow Bunny, what a terrible situation. You are truly a man of unbelievable patience and self control. The tough part is that this amount of money for a local small claims court would be easy to file and take on. Out of state is an entirely different matter.
It may cost you more money to maintain the case versus what you win. Given legal fees and travel expenses are typically not reimbursable expenses by the court. You'll win a morale victory but how much more will it cost?
I wish you the best in this case and I'm sure all of us here will do our best to spread the word about this dirtbag.

Sandman

[ElPanda]

I do not really understand why he kept comparing his finish to powder coating. That makes zero sense. What really bugs me though is if I can make a .04-.1" thick coating (depending on finish type and number of coats) work on a paintball gun with ultra tight tolerances why can't he do it with neochrome. His comment about the barrel porting being the issue of needing to repolish the barrel is outrageous. There are specific high heat tapes made exactly for this purpose. I use them every day doing barrels to cover the inside of the barrel from material getting past the porting and sticking to the inside of the barrel. If you run into parts that are so beyond repair let me know, I can get all the putting and such smoothed out and filled in for you. It may take me a bit of time because I need to build the surface back up but I can do it if it helps you out.

I would take them to small claims if you can, the damage to those parts is unacceptable.

Now I do understand why I does a while for them to do the parts (neo chroming is a greatly expensive process, costing $1000s to make even one run through the machine). It is possible their were waiting to build a full run before doing the parts to make it cost effective.


I must be missing something, .04-.1" coating thickness?!

there is no way thats correct, thats ginormous, the marker would look like a marshmallow afterwards

I could see maybe .004-.01 (and even .01 is a little ridiculous sounding to me)

[BTAutoMag]

i must be missing something, .04-.1" coating thickness?!

There is no way thats correct, thats ginormous, the marker would look like a marshmallow afterwards

i could see maybe .004-.01 (and even .01 is a little ridiculous sounding to me)

x2

[Sandman]

I think he is speaking in "mils" which is standard measure for plating. Divide by 1000 to get inches.

[PrecisionPowder]

I must be missing something, .04-.1" coating thickness?!

there is no way thats correct, thats ginormous, the marker would look like a marshmallow afterwards

I could see maybe .004-.01 (and even .01 is a little ridiculous sounding to me)


x2


I think he is speaking in "mils" which is standard measure for plating. Divide by 1000 to get inches.

Yes, my phone missed a 0 when I was typing my response. It really is not all that thick, thinner than that plating looks for sure.

It looks completely fine afterwards. Does not hide milling or anything of the sorts. Definitely does NOT look like a marshmallow

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/p180x540/1525525_10152353124519879_1465378552_n.jpg

Even with a textured coating parts still fit together fine (this was 8mils)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/q82/s720x720/1477815_10152152423434879_960584278_n.jpg





What I am saying is I don think these guys have any idea what they are doing or really care about what they are doing when it comes to tolerances. They should stick to car parts

[knownothingmags]

I must be missing something, .04-.1" coating thickness?!

there is no way thats correct, thats ginormous, the marker would look like a marshmallow afterwards

I could see maybe .004-.01 (and even .01 is a little ridiculous sounding to me)

wouldn't that look cool as ****, marshmallow marker.
sorry my .02 :D

[BTAutoMag]

It's the stay puff marshmallow mag

[knownothingmags]

It's the stay puff marshmallow mag

should have one made,
lol, heaviest mag every but would be a neat piece to showoff.

[Nobody]

the guy is being a douche and not taking you seriously, bro.:rolleyes: he's placating you with kind worlds and pointing the fingers everywhere but himself. flex the strong arm of the law, its the only thing you have to do in your favor, since he's giving dancing lessons on avoiding the issue.

[PrecisionPowder]

the guy is being a douche and not taking you seriously, bro.:rolleyes: he's placating you with kind worlds and pointing the fingers everywhere but himself. flex the strong arm of the law, its the only thing you have to do in your favor, since he's giving dancing lessons on avoiding the issue.

I wouldn't even say kind words. The guy writing those emails speaks/writes some awful English. That has to be one of the least professional ways of speaking to a customer I have ever seen.

[Beemer]

the guy is being a douche and not taking you seriously, bro.:rolleyes: he's placating you with kind worlds and pointing the fingers everywhere but himself. flex the strong arm of the law, its the only thing you have to do in your favor, since he's giving dancing lessons on avoiding the issue.

Oh come on Brah y u throw me under the bus. We need an AO RALLY for Bunny. Make this thread go viral.
Spread the word so his business takes a BIG hit.

Bunny..... you need to tell him you will take legal action for damages. Reporting to the BBB is free also and will get him noticed and black marked by the BBB.

http://www.bbb.org/council/about/contact/complaint-support/

https://www.bbb.org/consumer-complaints/file-a-complaint/nature-of-complaint/



BBB is not a government or law enforcement agency and cannot force a reply from a business or administer sanctions. However, a business' unwillingness to respond will be noted in the business' BBB Business Review.....

[Beemer]

Somebody posted pics and a link to this thread on Speedstar Racing Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/SpeedStar-Racing-Industries/181149128594220

[debruynda]

Somebody posted pics and a link to this thread on SSR Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/SpeedStar-Racing-Industries/181149128594220

Sorry Beemer

[BTAutoMag]

Looks like they locked down their page.

[blackdeath1k]

Wow! Ouch! Wonder how long that will stay on there page.

[Beemer]

SpeedStar Racing

SpeedStar Racing
3700 Thomas Road Suite 107-S
Santa Clara, CA 95054
Ph(408)306-8383 (M-F 10am-6pm, PST)
sales@speedstar-racing.com
AIM: mugencivic808

Emailed a link to this thread to them.

sales@speedstar-racing.com

Do it.

SpeedStar racing

[Patron God of Pirates]

Nice SEO Bunny. lol
89092

I think you can claim a moral victory already. Anybody looking to have this work done is going to find your review real easily. There is more organic content related to their neo-chrome "service" here than there is on their website or Facebook page.

As far as winning a financial victory... I can't see you coming out of that fight with green in your ledger. But then, I'm no lawyer.

[Beemer]

Progress report???

[Bunny]

I'll try and update the original post with more info this weekend. I'm currently waiting to see if he can track down an X-mag to restore my faith in this whole project. I just noticed all of the other replies to this thread thanks for all the help so far. I'm still waiting and willing to see how Wayne can make this project right. I'm pretty much done with the entire project and have chalked it up as a complete loss. I have a lot more stuff going on in my life to keep going back and forth with someone who doesn't really care about how I feel so i'm not really putting too much effort into it.

I'm not sure if he realized how important I was as HIS customer, but i'm glad my thread is right below his website on google. He had the opportunity to sell thousands of dollars worth of finishing to the paintball world, but hopefully after people read what has been going on they will not give him any more money. I have a simple request with how the deal should go down and they are the ones holding up the entire process.

Btw, Please do not bombard Wayne@SpeedStarRacing with negative/hateful comments. That is NOT what i'm trying to accomplish. I just want this thread to be an area where I can show the masses exactly how wayne has handled the situation. That is all. The e-mail chain speaks volumes.... :cheers:

[Swiss Cheeze]

So are you going to part with your f'ed up x body or keep it for sentimental reasons. I say find someone to mill it and get creative with it. Can't mess it up any worse...well maybe.

[Bunny]

So are you going to part with your f'ed up x body or keep it for sentimental reasons. I say find someone to mill it and get creative with it. Can't mess it up any worse...well maybe.

To be honest, I would rather throw the body away in the trashcan than to keep it in my collection. It is hard to show in the pictures, but the body is completely warped. It wasn't just milled by accident, they have over finished the part and ruined it.

It all depends on what Wayne and I agree to. I'm interested in shipping all of the Xmag parts back for a full refund. It was denied so they are attempting to find me a CnC X-mag. They wanted to redo the parts over again and I told them I was NOT interested in sitting through the same issue again. Hopefully I can trade back the parts that they worked on for a working CnC Xmag.

[PyroFiend]

I'll take the body if you don't want it. :)

[Nobody]

I'll take the body if you don't want it. :)

:nono: you just lost karma points. at LL7 it will sacrificed in a ceremony with appropriate cadences to the gods.

[PrecisionPowder]

To be honest, I would rather throw the body away in the trashcan than to keep it in my collection. It is hard to show in the pictures, but the body is completely warped. It wasn't just milled by accident, they have over finished the part and ruined it.

Before you do that let me know. I would love to do a before and after piece on it restoring the ruined portions and rebuilding all the milling on it from the ground up. I think it would make a neat piece since it is not useable.

[Stealthpanda]

This is friggin' TERRIBLE. I read it from start to finish, and its depressing. Unprofessional isn't even the word... -.- I just recently was thinking about getting my emag (when I get last 2 parts XD) anno'd. And now I am so sketched out... Sorry for the year-long hassle you have had to go through.
Thanks,
Jason

[PyroFiend]

I have plenty of Karma points to spare. :)
I was going to mount it on a non usable gun of broken parts. The whole thing really sucks.

Stealth, who are you sending it too? (I know it's a bit of an old thread) I'm going to be sending a few guns to FX in a few weeks, I hope.

[debruynda]

Before you do that let me know. I would love to do a before and after piece on it restoring the ruined portions and rebuilding all the milling on it from the ground up. I think it would make a neat piece since it is not useable.

Go for it Bunny! Let Roger work some magic on it if you're just going to throw it out.

[Bunny]

Yep. Still waiting on Speed Star Racing to finish this deal. I really do think I will be sending back the parts to them, so don't get your hopes up. I also don't want to take responsibility for their modifications on the body at all. It is really bad.

[Beemer]

Update??

[OneSelfLost]

What an awful mess.. I had a moment of silence after reading this. :(

[Bunny]

Summertime Update: It has been 1 year and 7 months since I started the X-mag Aurora project. I can't believe that it has dragged on this long, but I decided to update the original post with more info. It may seem like I have developed stockholm syndrome with SSR, but I really wanted this project to work out in the end. I still thought that Wayne and his company SSR could vindicate themselves with how they have handled this project, but in the end it was still their own ego that ruined the project. As you can see I really did want to try and work with them to come up with something out of this world.

I never did call him out on it, but the Xmag that he sent pictures to me is actually owned by Ragu, an AO member. The pictures that he sent were actually cell phone pictures from pbnation and he cropped it down so I couldn't see the valve number. I don't think he ever realized that I pretty much keep track of all the known Xmags in existence. :D Within the update you will also see SSR call me "emotional" and he actually insinuated that I would attempt to screw them over.

There really is no point in giving SSR any more of my time, but I wanted to make sure any potential customers see exactly how Wayne is. Hopefully in the next few days I will receive a Inception Designs autococker in the mail and be able to put this project behind me. After that, I will have to retitle this thread. How to turn a CnC Xmag into a Kryptonite Autococker. :p

**Update starts at 2/04/14.

[blackdeath1k]

Hmmm. They destroy a expensive RARE part and don't expect you to be a little emotional? Lol. And wow. You didn't call them out on blatantly deceiving you. Your a better man than me.

[BTAutoMag]

Summertime Update: It has been 1 year and 7 months since I started the X-mag Aurora project. I can't believe that it has dragged on this long, but I decided to update the original post with more info. It may seem like I have developed stockholm syndrome with SSR, but I really wanted this project to work out in the end. I still thought that Wayne and his company SSR could vindicate themselves with how they have handled this project, but in the end it was still their own ego that ruined the project. As you can see I really did want to try and work with them to come up with something out of this world.

I never did call him out on it, but the Xmag that he sent pictures to me is actually owned by Ragu, an AO member. The pictures that he sent were actually cell phone pictures from pbnation and he cropped it down so I couldn't see the valve number. I don't think he ever realized that I pretty much keep track of all the known Xmags in existence. :D Within the update you will also see SSR call me "emotional" and he actually insinuated that I would attempt to screw them over.

There really is no point in giving SSR any more of my time, but I wanted to make sure any potential customers see exactly how Wayne is. Hopefully in the next few days I will receive a Inception Designs autococker in the mail and be able to put this project behind me. After that, I will have to retitle this thread. How to turn a CnC Xmag into a Kryptonite Autococker. :p

**Update starts at 2/04/14.

yea... just read it all again... I'm going to bang my head into a table saw now

[Tropical Life]

Wait so who did the recent aurora job on the shockwave for you,That came out nice.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?268962-Aurora-Shockwave-E-mag&highlight=Aurora+mag


Never mind , got it. What a risk.

[Laku]

I never could have let them get away with out paying for all the damages and costs on that xmag.

[Billz804]

Yeah, I agree. I can see that you are thoroughly tired of dealing with this jabroni, but he owes you the full cost and there's no way he doesn't know that.

[MAGgot]

This has to be the most "friendly, professional, and reasonable" business owner I've ever seen. I like this part:

"your reaction is exactly why I do not want to run the small parts, any deviation in color or what not I won't hear the end of it from you. My offer is very reasonable and fair. I'm trading you guns, not just parts. and Im offering to coat the main parts of the cocker for you which is much larger than the xmag thus costing more to do due to size. due to technical reasons I don't want to mess with the small parts. I've done my part to do the right thing, you act out of emotions all the time. balls in your court. "

What he is saying is that his offer of a Kryptonite in exchange for $1000, a $1400 gun, and 2 years waiting is perfectly reasonable. How dare you question him? You act outta emotion bro. Why are you trying to make him sweat the small parts? Don't worry about it cuz.

I'm so pissed for you right now. Wayne is a complete moron jackass.

[Dayspring]

This has to be the most "friendly, professional, and reasonable" business owner I've ever seen. I like this part:

"your reaction is exactly why I do not want to run the small parts, any deviation in color or what not I won't hear the end of it from you. My offer is very reasonable and fair. I'm trading you guns, not just parts. and Im offering to coat the main parts of the cocker for you which is much larger than the xmag thus costing more to do due to size. due to technical reasons I don't want to mess with the small parts. I've done my part to do the right thing, you act out of emotions all the time. balls in your court. "

What he is saying is that his offer of a Kryptonite in exchange for $1000, a $1400 gun, and 2 years waiting is perfectly reasonable. How dare you question him? You act outta emotion bro. Why are you trying to make him sweat the small parts? Don't worry about it cuz.

I'm so pissed for you right now. Wayne is a complete moron jackass.

As soon as you get the gun in your hands, you better NOT remove that negative post. I'll find you and smack you around if you do.

[BTAutoMag]

Dayspring, archive this and lock him out.

[BigEvil]

Hey Bunny - after talking to the guys at LL7, they were supposed to contact me about helping find a replacement body for you. Someone did call me and leave a very garbled message. I did not get a number. If you want, please let them know why I have not been able to return their call.

[Billz804]

After you receive the gun, just edit it into a positive review of his company, where they only stole $1000 from you (instead of the full amount)!

[Beemer]

As soon as you get the gun in your hands, you better NOT remove that negative post. I'll find you and smack you around if you do.

Me too

[Bunny]

Don't worry. Our final agreement did not include removing this post. I have given SSR many options to make this right and they chose to handle it like this so I will be leaving the post up on both AO and PBN. I may have to include a few choice keywords after it is all said and done with.

[blackdeath1k]

This still just boggles my mind. Every time I read any more about it.

[MAGgot]

This still just boggles my mind. Every time I read any more about it.

I know what you mean. When I clicked to read the 2/4/14 update I didn't expect I could be more pissed than when I read the original post... WRONG. I seriously was overcome with rage on Bunny's behalf after reading what's happened since then. Unbelievable.

I do want to say that you have done the right thing here by posting for all of us to see. You have done all of us a service by showing us how awful SSR was to deal with, even though it must cause you more pain by seeing this post on a daily basis. As a customer of high end ano and finishing services, you have probably saved me a lot of money and trouble. Thank you!

[manike]

I am sorry this has been such a mess for you. But I am kind of excited to see you own one of my latest babies in your collection also. :)

Strange how the X-Mag was the first production gun body design I did and the Kryptonite is the latest...

[Bunny]

I am sorry this has been such a mess for you. But I am kind of excited to see you own one of my latest babies in your collection also. :)

Strange how the X-Mag was the first production gun body design I did and the Kryptonite is the latest...

I'm really glad to put an Inception Design autococker in my collection. After talking to you at Living Legends about my Xmag collection and seeing how passionate you are about the products you make I knew I had to build something out of your parts. As strange as this project was, I always tried to look at the silver lining. Even though I had to sacrifice an Xmag, my $$, and time I still will walk away with something that I like. I will now be able to play with something that I enjoy. The memories I had at my first Living Legends will be put into this gun. Hanging out with you talking about Xmags, playing along side of Bud Orr in the final battle, and discussion the newest Xmag body style with Colin from Deadlywind defines what this gun means to me.

Make sure you check the Armory Section for a write-up about the new gun in my collection. (Without all the non-sense about Speed Star Racing :D)


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Current%20Collection/Inception%20Cocker/Inception.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6823946/Current%20Collection/Inception%20Cocker/Inception2.jpg

I can finally move on. :)

[manike]

I can finally move on. :)

Sometimes closure and the ability to do that is a great thing.

The full body pump is a rarity too. There were only 150 bodies produced like that for the public with a 151st for Budd Orr. Two (at least) were cut into Mid Blocks so there are less than (and always will be) 148 of those. :)

[Bunny]

Sometimes closure and the ability to do that is a great thing.

The full body pump is a rarity too. There were only 150 bodies produced like that for the public with a 151st for Budd Orr. Two (at least) were cut into Mid Blocks so there are less than (and always will be) 148 of those. :)

Awesome! Now all I need to do is track them all down and organize them in a spreadsheet just like xmagworld.com :D