I like them short.

[cudamelland]

The two best barrels I own, are my freak back with a WWA 2” tip and my deadly winds 8”. My third is my Apex, but it way to long. I have the freak Apex tip and it keeps getting in my way. So… Has anyone ever cut down an All American tip before? The back half of the freak will fit in the Apex shroud. But is there enough meat left after cutting the threads off an All American tip and re thread it? It would be AWESOME to have a shorty Apex.

[Cummins1290]

Would this help?

http://www.deadlywind.com/fusion-apex2-adapter

[cudamelland]

I've seen this and its an option, but I have a red freak back that looks sweet on the Mag I use my Apex on.

[Cummins1290]

I've seen this and its an option, but I have a red freak back that looks sweet on the Mag I use my Apex on.

I'm not sure how much thicker a deadly wind barrel is than yours, if it's close, can't it work on a regular one as well?

[cudamelland]

Now i feel like an idiot, I never thought to use it on anything other then a deadly winds barrel.

[Cummins1290]

Now i feel like an idiot, I never thought to use it on anything other then a deadly winds barrel.

I'm still curious, let me know how you make out!

[capt spank]

there's a shorter GoG freak apex tip you can buy.

[cudamelland]

So the Deadly winds adapter says it can fit any barrel that has an OD (outer diameter) .84 +/- 0.01 in size. I did find this tho http://www.amazon.com/Apex-2G-Paintball-Barrel-Adapter/dp/B006565KYO/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1419292454&sr=1-1&keywords=apex+adapter This will fit on any barrel that is .875. It uses 3 set screws to attach tho. The barrel i was hoping to use is of course in between the two at .86. I'm going to try this J&J one out and if it works ill post pics. My buddy has the deadly winds adapter for his null so Ill play with it next time we go out, but that's not until march.

[Cummins1290]

Keep us up to date! Might open up new options

[cudamelland]

The j&j adapter works well and easily fits on the freak. My only problem is that it is so long that cutting down the barrel I planned on using and installing the adapter. The complete barrel is only 1 inch shorter. So what’s the point? I met up with my buddy who had the deadly winds adapter and had the same problem. After brain storming I think I can make something myself, really it’s just two humps on a barrel.

I’ll update if I get something to work.

[ghost flanker]

Doesn't get much shorter than this...
90843

[G Squat]

Doesn't get much shorter than this...
90843

Gorgeous...

[blamtro]

would you mind taking pics disassembled? What barrel did you use?

[WholemealDrop]

I have a WWA freak back and tip and while it is a hoot to run a tiny gun, I can't make distance shots to save my life. I don't mind getting up close but taking pot shots at people who don't know I'm there is too fun.

[need4reebs]

Dood ya gotta love tha Shorty Freak barrels…i kno i do…haha!!!!
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh230/jiggawat99/20150126_145214_resized.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh230/jiggawat99/20150126_145241_resized.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh230/jiggawat99/20150126_145319_resized.jpg

[cudamelland]

Success, What do you guys think?
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd512/cudamelland/2ae02343-8b73-417e-8895-a27b4a3faaad.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/cudamelland/media/2ae02343-8b73-417e-8895-a27b4a3faaad.jpg.html)

All I did was cut the freak front down to the size I liked and added Nitrile o rings to recreate the gaps needed to fit the Apex. A little tape was added to help space out a sets of o rings. The apex has enough friction to stay in place but can still be moved to side to side, (maybe not as easy as the actual adapter.)

[2BAD4U]

The drop kick makes it super sweet...

[barkingspider]

Another option that I use is the 4" stiffi c series w/apex adapter. With the apex2 on it it ends up being pretty short. I've also thrown a TechT/Python sizing kit, which doesn't make it much longer.

The problem is finding the barrels, they show up every now and then.

I'll see if I can take a picture for you.

[barkingspider]

Here are a few options to think about.

4" stiffi c-series w/ apex adapter and TechT sizing collars

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g474/barkingspider2/508A1C40-E9C8-4830-B1EC-8121EDD4E55E_zpsmnpgmabm.jpg (http://s1103.photobucket.com/user/barkingspider2/media/508A1C40-E9C8-4830-B1EC-8121EDD4E55E_zpsmnpgmabm.jpg.html)

4" stiffi c-series w/ apex adapter

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g474/barkingspider2/02BF2F5E-F280-435D-84DA-3F7A7141F55F_zpssvorxbwt.jpg (http://s1103.photobucket.com/user/barkingspider2/media/02BF2F5E-F280-435D-84DA-3F7A7141F55F_zpssvorxbwt.jpg.html)

Freak back w/ SSC freak-c series tip adapter

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g474/barkingspider2/32E4DA1A-7585-42D0-8B15-242E60B4537B_zpsz5gbm46i.jpg (http://s1103.photobucket.com/user/barkingspider2/media/32E4DA1A-7585-42D0-8B15-242E60B4537B_zpsz5gbm46i.jpg.html)

This last one is pretty unique, but thats what I like. It's a armson barrel that I had milled down to work with c-series threaded tips.

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g474/barkingspider2/FD5EA5BB-DE82-4405-A4B4-71179D1FB909_zpseyipix62.jpg (http://s1103.photobucket.com/user/barkingspider2/media/FD5EA5BB-DE82-4405-A4B4-71179D1FB909_zpseyipix62.jpg.html)

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g474/barkingspider2/FF9E4EAA-F026-438E-812B-77316A871012_zpszk0q6ncz.jpg (http://s1103.photobucket.com/user/barkingspider2/media/FF9E4EAA-F026-438E-812B-77316A871012_zpszk0q6ncz.jpg.html)

The pictures don't do a very good job with showing accurate length. I can see after the fact that my picture taking skills are lacking since they look longer in the pictures than they really are by an inch. Sorry, just thought I'd share a few more ideas.

[going_home]

Interesting.

Hows the a)performace, and b)sound signature, with the rifled barrel ?



:ninja:

[cudamelland]

The drop kick makes it super sweet...
I don't leave home without one.
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd512/cudamelland/NCM_0152.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/cudamelland/media/NCM_0152.jpg.html)

[cudamelland]

Freak back w/ SSC freak-c series tip adapter

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g474/barkingspider2/32E4DA1A-7585-42D0-8B15-242E60B4537B_zpsz5gbm46i.jpg (http://s1103.photobucket.com/user/barkingspider2/media/32E4DA1A-7585-42D0-8B15-242E60B4537B_zpsz5gbm46i.jpg.html)

This was my goal, I didn't want to not use my red freak back It looks so sweet. I wish i would have known about SSC freak-c series tip adapter before i hacked up a barrel, but too late now. Tho this cost me nothing and it seems to work great. I do wonder how long it will last tho.
Here are some more pics
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd512/cudamelland/NCM_0192.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/cudamelland/media/NCM_0192.jpg.html)
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd512/cudamelland/NCM_0193.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/cudamelland/media/NCM_0193.jpg.html)
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd512/cudamelland/NCM_0194.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/cudamelland/media/NCM_0194.jpg.html)

[ghost flanker]

Thanks, G Squat.

And to blamtro, assuming you were talking to me...here you go.
90872
It's a sawed off Deadly Wind Fibur barrel with an Apex adapter.

[blamtro]

Cool, thanks for the pic!

[going_home]

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=4650409

[2BAD4U]

I don't leave home without one.
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd512/cudamelland/NCM_0152.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/cudamelland/media/NCM_0152.jpg.html)

Damn!!! :headbang: :shooting:

[Zeropjc]

Forget the barrels those are some nice mags!

[ghost flanker]

I have a WWA freak back and tip and while it is a hoot to run a tiny gun, I can't make distance shots to save my life. I don't mind getting up close but taking pot shots at people who don't know I'm there is too fun.
I thought the myth of longer paintball barrels = longer range/accuracy was dead and buried.

[WholemealDrop]

Longer to a point. Most have found 12-14" to be the sweet spot of accuracy and efficiency. When I run my freak barrel with stubby front I can't do distance shots for the life of me, likely would have just as good odds using a standard barrel of the same length.

[ghost flanker]

Efficiency, yes, to a small extent. Accuracy, no.

It has actually been proven that, given there are no serious honing issues present, paintball barrels don't really impact a gun's accuracy. Length, bore size, smoothbore vs. rifled, one piece vs. two piece, stock barrels, etc, they all have about the same accuracy with the gun locked in a vice. I can get long shots with my minimag barrel just as easily as my 12" ultralite or 16" boomstick.

With that said, some people do rely on a longer barrel to help them point and aim, so the difference may lie there.

[WholemealDrop]

ah right but even still, I can lob hits across the field with my 12" barrels but my freak back and stubby tip is lucky to shoot straight after 30 feet or so

[jade_monkey07]

I used to love my hammerhead sharktooth, the original 6 inch. No accuracy difference. Wish i hadnt been so broke and sold my stuff :(
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/20/17fc170ff141113fc9987cb3c5bc772f.jpg

Robertsr1811 if you see this and still have it ill buy it back!

Last i saw of it




December 2009 Old Skool: Robertsr1811
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee302/smoothice16/motm/2009-decold-robertsr1811.jpg

[going_home]

Freak Stella with Shank tip and Apex.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b195/going_home/IMG_20150321_123059.jpg (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/going_home/media/IMG_20150321_123059.jpg.html)

A slight bit louder than the standard tip but the Apex performs as it should.

;)

[ghost flanker]

ah right but even still, I can lob hits across the field with my 12" barrels but my freak back and stubby tip is lucky to shoot straight after 30 feet or so
What?! That's crazy! Try putting the insert back inside the barrel. :rofl: I could achieve better accuracy just drop kicking Monsterballs downrange. If it's really that bad, there is something wrong. Does the problem go away when replacing the stubby front with a longer front?

[WholemealDrop]

I'm awful at guessing distances so I'm likely way off but yes putting the standard tip back on works way better

[str8boostn]

I've always had to readjust velocity when going to a really short barrel.
Still to date, my favorite barrel is my original 6" sharktooth.

[ghost flanker]

If just swapping tips is what makes the difference, I'm inclined to say it's all a matter of how you aim. The gun, itself, doesn't shoot any less straight/accurate with the stubby tip - you just happen to be accustomed to predicting your shot placement using the visual aide of a longer barrel. That's my theory, anyway.

[WholemealDrop]

Could be true. I'll have to test it out this summer.

[djinnform]

Success, What do you guys think?
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd512/cudamelland/2ae02343-8b73-417e-8895-a27b4a3faaad.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/cudamelland/media/2ae02343-8b73-417e-8895-a27b4a3faaad.jpg.html)

All I did was cut the freak front down to the size I liked and added Nitrile o rings to recreate the gaps needed to fit the Apex. A little tape was added to help space out a sets of o rings. The apex has enough friction to stay in place but can still be moved to side to side, (maybe not as easy as the actual adapter.)

What On\Off and what pin size do you have in here? thank you.

[cudamelland]

Just the rt on/off but with an emag pin. I took it out yesterday and it shot like dream.