ULE Body with snap on stock class feed tube?

[knownothingmags]

what do you think?
snaps on to a ule body
you thread in your 10 round CCI cram N jam tube and go.
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/Automag%20prototypes/IMG_20141220_214302_565_zpsa2a885ee.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/Automag%20prototypes/IMG_20141220_214302_565_zpsa2a885ee.jpg.html)

CCI tube is not threaded all the way in so that's why it look like it does.
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/Automag%20prototypes/IMG_20141220_214334_391_zps4a157b25.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/Automag%20prototypes/IMG_20141220_214334_391_zps4a157b25.jpg.html)

People Interested:

KNM-Vert body version
skipdogg-PF body version
barkingspider- 2x black vert

[NU_METAL]

cool :goodjob:
I was just thinking how i could turn one of my pumps (stock class) and you went an made this
you cooked this up from the Printer i gather ?
came out cool ! what is going to keep it from spinning/shifting around ? I would think you have a small threaded ,low pro-type collar in the feed hole ?
Much like Spec ops did with the long bow adapter ? except you don't thread it into your adapter,its just their to support it

[knownothingmags]

cool :goodjob:
I was just thinking how i could turn one of my pumps (stock class) and you went an made this
you cooked this up from the Printer i gather ?
came out cool ! what is going to keep it from spinning/shifting around ? I would think you have a small threaded ,low pro-type collar in the feed hole ?
Much like Spec ops did with the long bow adapter ? except you don't thread it into your adapter,its just their to support it
yes working on that exact solution right now.
:headbang:
I may bring it to work and do a pull test on it to see what the punds of pressure it take to rotate it.
don't need to do it but need to see.
* side note as of right now it doesn't just spin.
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[NU_METAL]

man ,that clips on there tighter then i thought
I forgot the center of a ULE is sort of a rounded off square shape so that helps to keep it centered (clipped on tighter)
helping to keep it from shifting or spinning
Keep up the good work

[dboggs79]

I've been looking at doing this for awhile. I don't have access to a printer though. Just mills and lathes at work. Decided it was too much to make it worth while that way. Looks good!

[skipdogg]

I would love one of these for a HL/HR SS body. If those ever make production please let me know.

[knownothingmags]

I would love one of these for a HL/HR SS body. If those ever make production please let me know.

Not sure what you mean sorry. Pm me.

[keiko_819]

Maybe he means powerfeed bodies with the feed tube taken off? I like that idea

[knownothingmags]

Maybe he means powerfeed bodies with the feed tube taken off? I like that idea

oh yeah.
if that's the case yes I will do that next once I get this one finalized.

[skipdogg]

oh yeah.
if that's the case yes I will do that next once I get this one finalized.

Yes! That is what I was talking about :)

[GoatBoy]

Nice.

The whole rotation/retention thing is a bit of a humdinger, isn't it?

Perhaps consider (ab)using the detente holder in this case...

[knownothingmags]

Nice.

The whole rotation/retention thing is a bit of a humdinger, isn't it?

Perhaps consider (ab)using the detente holder in this case...
oh no holding it in place isn't a problem.
my biggest problem is finding time to work on the design. work just got super busy

[bbotts77]

That's pretty sweet. I'd buy one as it is (if it feeds properly, of course). What do you feel is left on the design?

[knownothingmags]

That's pretty sweet. I'd buy one as it is (if it feeds properly, of course). What do you feel is left on the design?
finding the time to work one it first off. lol
and securing it to the body. which I know how to do, just hard to find the time

[keiko_819]

What about making it slide on the body instead of snap, kind of like an old sight rail? And you would be able to get some more meat since it wouldn't need to have the flexibility?

[SummaryJudgement]

Awesome idea! Looks great! PMd questions.

HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!

[knownothingmags]

What about making it slide on the body instead of snap, kind of like an old sight rail? And you would be able to get some more meat since it wouldn't need to have the flexibility?

the way ule bodies are toward the feed neck hole, its not cylindrical anymore in that area, has a square face to it. and I use that to contain the "snap on legs" so the part isn't able to slide forward or back very easily

[bbotts77]

finding the time to work one it first off. lol
and securing it to the body. which I know how to do, just hard to find the time
In the video, it seems pretty secure. I'm sure once there's a rail attached to the body, the side-to-side play will be less of an issue, since the legs will hit the rail and prevent rotation.

[knownothingmags]

In the video, it seems pretty secure. I'm sure once there's a rail attached to the body, the side-to-side play will be less of an issue, since the legs will hit the rail and prevent rotation.

I will probably test this fully Saturday night. gota get my freakin tanks filled closest place is 70 mins away.

[zondo]

is this going to be a cram & jam or an adapter for other stockclass feed tubes?

You know, there could be another market with the T2 shooters out there as well...

[knownothingmags]

its going to be a cram and jam for now.
I can always later on change stuff up in a different design and do something different.

[smilestyler]

That's a pretty cool idea. I bet it would be useful for someone not wanting to buy a warp feed body also.

[zulubravo44]

You could also basically make another ring that went around the stock class tube and clipped on to the back part of the body. That would increase overall stability, and if you made it snug enough it would also help to prevent any potential twisting (and people worrying about twisting). It would also be bullet-proof that way. Right now, the thing may come off if it gets hit by a direct shot towards the back end of the feed tube; with another anchor point, it wouldn't budge.

When can we buy these?

[knownothingmags]

You could also basically make another ring that went around the stock class tube and clipped on to the back part of the body. That would increase overall stability, and if you made it snug enough it would also help to prevent any potential twisting (and people worrying about twisting). It would also be bullet-proof that way. Right now, the thing may come off if it gets hit by a direct shot towards the back end of the feed tube; with another anchor point, it wouldn't budge.

When can we buy these?

its not the twisting im worrying about,
its if it rotates around the body.

[zulubravo44]

its not the twisting im worrying about,
its if it rotates around the body.

rotating around the body like a helicopter blade or a like an over-under shotgun spinning around the axis of shooting?

the rear clip would address the helicopter effect. as long as the clips are just long enough to make contact with the rail (particularly a standard AM/MM rail), the over-under spin would be addressed. the real clip would only play a small effect.

[knownothingmags]

rotating around the body like a helicopter blade or a like an over-under shotgun spinning around the axis of shooting?

the rear clip would address the helicopter effect. as long as the clips are just long enough to make contact with the rail (particularly a standard AM/MM rail), the over-under spin would be addressed. the real clip would only play a small effect.

not the helicopter effect :D

yes to the second part. lol, that's what im working on getting figured out.
I got a super cool surprice in the email the otherday. and it has been keeping me busy.
I get distracted so easily. :P

[knownothingmags]

how about this.?
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/IMG_20150106_201915_607_zpse0e86cc7.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/IMG_20150106_201915_607_zpse0e86cc7.jpg.html)
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http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/IMG_20150106_201848_967_zpsc30792b6.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/IMG_20150106_201848_967_zpsc30792b6.jpg.html)
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[knownothingmags]

input?

[barkingspider]

I like it, seems beefier.

[zulubravo44]

looks ready to field test. i'll volunteer as a beta tester!

i will say that i like the look of the first one better than the second one though. the girth of the upper diameter seems massive and sort of degrades the sex appeal of the trim stock class mag. it also still seems to me that you need something further back to prevent twist and also to compensate for downward pressure applied to the top of the CCI feed tube towards where you'd feed the balls in. repeated wiggling or downward bumps on that part of the tube seems like it might degrade the threading on the clip mount to the point that it's useless and no longer holds the feed tube sufficiently.

that said, i get that the whole thing needs to be pretty beefy to stand up to game after game.

[sjrtk]

Looks great. Love the idea and execution.

[knownothingmags]

looks ready to field test. i'll volunteer as a beta tester!

i will say that i like the look of the first one better than the second one though. the girth of the upper diameter seems massive and sort of degrades the sex appeal of the trim stock class mag. it also still seems to me that you need something further back to prevent twist and also to compensate for downward pressure applied to the top of the CCI feed tube towards where you'd feed the balls in. repeated wiggling or downward bumps on that part of the tube seems like it might degrade the threading on the clip mount to the point that it's useless and no longer holds the feed tube sufficiently.

that said, i get that the whole thing needs to be pretty beefy to stand up to game after game.

noted. and working on the final of this.
I will include a buffer for the rear of the cci tube. so there is downward force resistance.
ill work on aesthetics when I get fit finished.

[knownothingmags]

Looks great. Love the idea and execution.

thanks,
these types of support really help.

[skipdogg]

I'm following this thread, and will get a Power feed body version when available...

[knownothingmags]

I'm following this thread, and will get a Power feed body version when available...

ima start a list. if that's ok with everyone

[zulubravo44]

ima start a list. if that's ok with everyone

Sign me up for two for ULE bodies, and one for a PFR/HL body if it gets made. I just don't know how you'd keep that one from sliding forward and backward, since the body shape is the same all the way up and down. But if you do it, I'm signed up.

Also, if there's a choice on material, I'd go for the stuff you made the first proto out of (kevlar impregnated) rather than the flashy red. It's just that my markers are all black and silver.

Also, let me know if there will be a difference between feed necks that take CCI tubes and those that you can just stick a 10rd tube directly in to. If there is a diff, I might mix up my order.

[knownothingmags]

Sign me up for two for ULE bodies, and one for a PFR/HL body if it gets made. I just don't know how you'd keep that one from sliding forward and backward, since the body shape is the same all the way up and down. But if you do it, I'm signed up.

Also, if there's a choice on material, I'd go for the stuff you made the first proto out of (kevlar impregnated) rather than the flashy red. It's just that my markers are all black and silver.

Also, let me know if there will be a difference between feed necks that take CCI tubes and those that you can just stick a 10rd tube directly in to. If there is a diff, I might mix up my order.

ill make both, a threaded one and a push on with an oring slot in it to hold the tube in,
the red is just for proto, the fiber black that I was using before seems to be what ill end up using to get this out to the public.

on the note of the powerfeed bodies, ill need to figure out how to keep it from sliding forward and back .
ill figure it out when I get there.

[sjrtk]

I would take on with either a cram jam or taking the 10 round tube directly actually would prefer the later.

[knownothingmags]

working on a functioning proto now.
who can test this for me ASAP?
I can do it but its around 0* on average, when I am able to actually test, so cold is not good for me

[knownothingmags]

this looks like the design im going to roll with
for both the cram and jam and feed tube type feed.
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/IMG_20150118_221544_328_zps80ee82eb.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/IMG_20150118_221544_328_zps80ee82eb.jpg.html)
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http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/IMG_20150118_221614_591_zpsf88bb8e7.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/IMG_20150118_221614_591_zpsf88bb8e7.jpg.html)
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/IMG_20150118_221645_434_zps39c8807a.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/IMG_20150118_221645_434_zps39c8807a.jpg.html)

so what do you guys think?
I can make a video to show how well it clamps down. let me know if anyone wants to see that.
or it there are any spects you would like me to test and video it.

[dboggs79]

Hard to say, I think the color is messing with me! lol. Seriously though, if it works... Is it possible to taper the "legs" so that they run back into the body at the bottom. That and the square cutout around the breach would look better if it had a radius in each corner. Not sure if either of those are really feasible.

[knownothingmags]

Hard to say, I think the color is messing with me! lol. Seriously though, if it works... Is it possible to taper the "legs" so that they run back into the body at the bottom. That and the square cutout around the breach would look better if it had a radius in each corner. Not sure if either of those are really feasible.

anything can be done,
the radius is fesable.

the running back into the body I don't understand what you mean

[dboggs79]

So that they are tapered and get thinner as the reach the bottom of the body.

[knownothingmags]

yeah
but there is a fine balance in strength....
meaning more taper the less the circle wants to stay a circle around the body.

but I sure can see what I can do.

my different material after it is left to sit get super strong im very impressed so I may take this design to its limits tomorrow and see how stiff it actually stays around the body.

[zulubravo44]

Just a little cosmetic thing to the same point as the tapering:

It might be awesome if you could make the interior angles (where the clip arms join the tube holder portion) filleted instead of on a hard 90° angle. That might help the look of the arms, and it might even result in a slightly tighter fit.

I'm ready to test either version. LMK how I can help.

[knownothingmags]

Yeah I hear ya I'm trying to "glove" those contours.
Different color
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/IMG_20150119_210521_675_zpsed60073e.jpgJust for the ones who don't like the red.
It I'm testing a print right now to see if I can get the fillets right.

[zulubravo44]

i just noticed that the angle of the rear clip looks like it's almost identical to the angle of the front body cut. It'd be only cosmetic, but it might be cool to make the front edge also follow the same contour, kinda like the old shark gill sight rails.

Good luck gloving the contours. That looks like a not so easy task, given the multiple angles of fillet going on there. Do you have a CAD file for a ULE body you could pull them off?

Where's the 3D scanner when we need it...

[knownothingmags]

i just noticed that the angle of the rear clip looks like it's almost identical to the angle of the front body cut. It'd be only cosmetic, but it might be cool to make the front edge also follow the same contour, kinda like the old shark gill sight rails.

Good luck gloving the contours. That looks like a not so easy task, given the multiple angles of fillet going on there. Do you have a CAD file for a ULE body you could pull them off?

Where's the 3D scanner when we need it...

yeah a "GOOD" 3D scanner would help a lot.

no I do not have a ULE body with the contours. I have my body designs, but not one with the ULE contours.

[knownothingmags]

the 3D printer has craped the bed. im working on getting it fixed.
but I have no idea why it has done what it is doing.
this may be a fatal blow. not sure yet.

[barkingspider]

Oh man......we were so close

I hope the problem is only temporary, seems like you mentioned getting this printer not too long ago.

I would enjoy two for ULE bodies, although haven't decided cram jam vs 10 rd tubes. I hope you can fix the printer.

[knownothingmags]

Oh man......we were so close

I home the problem is only temperary, seems like you mentioned getting this printer not too long ago.

I would enjoy two for ULE bodies, although haven't decided cram jam vs 10 rd tubes. I hope you can fix the printer.
working on it more tommorw.
I hope I can fix it, if not I have new nozzles coming in, so that should fix it.

its a clog, just no support on how to fix this more than what I have found.

the replacement nozzle should fix it.
here is hoping.

[maverick13]

Nice work, man

[skipdogg]

I mocked up the mag I was going use a powerfeed version on. It was at that time I realized it wouldn't work. My feed hole on the body is on the right side, same side as the valve air port. it wouldn't have clearance for the cram and jam.

So, I'll have to do this on a ULE body after all. Please move my purchase intent from powerfeed style to ULE style.

thanks

[knownothingmags]

I mocked up the mag I was going use a powerfeed version on. It was at that time I realized it wouldn't work. My feed hole on the body is on the right side, same side as the valve air port. it wouldn't have clearance for the cram and jam.

So, I'll have to do this on a ULE body after all. Please move my purchase intent from powerfeed style to ULE style.

thanks
I could always angle the tube up instead of parallel with the body?

[OPBN]

I could always angle the tube up instead of parallel with the body?
Reverse valve?

Also, I would be interested in one for ULE as well if its available in black. Maybe red, but black definitely.

[knownothingmags]

Reverse valve?

Also, I would be interested in one for ULE as well if its available in black. Maybe red, but black definitely.

yeah reverse valve was my thought too.
I just ordered some black material
working on the final design. to get the fillets worked out around the feed hole.

this way I can be more ready when the printer is fixed.

[skipdogg]

I could always angle the tube up instead of parallel with the body?

no thanks, I prefer it parallel with body.

[knownothingmags]

no thanks, I prefer it parallel with body.

maybe I can design something to tailor to what you need :D
the base design is done.

[zulubravo44]

maybe I can design something to tailor to what you need :D
the base design is done.

maybe something like your snap on with a tiny bit of powerfeed action would work? that way you could bring the horizontal feed back to right on top, even if it dropped into a cut powerfeed body.

[skipdogg]

Thanks for the offer to design something specific.
But, I'm good with what you got going on so far. I'll continue to monitor your progress.
If you still need a beta tester, I'll be out at the field more often now, so I could report results in a timely manner.

[knownothingmags]

Thanks for the offer to design something specific.
But, I'm good with what you got going on so far. I'll continue to monitor your progress.
If you still need a beta tester, I'll be out at the field more often now, so I could report results in a timely manner.

working on the fillet design to glove around the body better.
a buddy has offered to help.
im just stuck on this part of the design, so once this gets hammered out, things should be in the works for finalization.
for the cram and jam design and the feed tube as well.

[zulubravo44]

working on the fillet design to glove around the body better.
A buddy has offered to help.
Im just stuck on this part of the design, so once this gets hammered out, things should be in the works for finalization.
For the cram and jam design and the feed tube as well.

awesome!

i picked up a 10 rd tube holder and some other stuff to get myself prepped for testing.

Edit:

Something just came to mind in the grogginess of early morning... What about adding a set of C clips on either side of the main clip arms to serve as 10 rd tube holders, sort of like a dual sidecar built into the overall system. Maybe that would be too much hanging on the one set of main clips, though. Food for thought, anyway.

an alternative would be to print a set of clips that mount by a small plate that runs between the rail and the VASA/foregrip, with short arms that put the clips a little further back on the gun and carry two 10 round tubes right against the rail sides.

[zulubravo44]

I hope OPBN didn't derail this project with his ideas for strangely shaped pump handles :P

Maybe turn it into a complete stock-class kit with a printed pump rail as well?

[knownothingmags]

I hope OPBN didn't derail this project with his ideas for strangely shaped pump handles :P

Maybe turn it into a complete stock-class kit with a printed pump rail as well?

Im still fixing the printer. its been broken.
and im waiting on the fix of the file from a friend.
I don't rush him since he is kind enough to take his time to help.

[zulubravo44]

Im still fixing the printer. its been broken.
and im waiting on the fix of the file from a friend.
I don't rush him since he is kind enough to take his time to help.

sorry to hear it's still busted. that's no fun!

[knownothingmags]

sorry to hear it's still busted. that's no fun!

part might be in the mail today.
but the wife comes back from deployment soon, so I wont be doing any printing while she is home for the 2 weeks.

[zulubravo44]

did this project die out? that'd be sad if it did.

[knownothingmags]

no not at all.
still waiting on some insight from my buddy.

sorry, I told him no hurry.

so im letting him take his time on helping me.
no need for me to rush him.

I will update the thread when I get the file back and take a look at the changes.

[C_losjoker]

Do one for a warp feed body?

[knownothingmags]

Do one for a warp feed body?
yep its in line next,
along with a few other orientations.

[Jaan]

That's pretty cool! It looks like it's symmetrical enough to flip it the other way, for those of us that prefer to rock back, Sheridan style?

[Jaan]

Do one for a warp feed body?

You can use a PTP warp feed adaptor and a Phantom feed gate already...
91021

[knownothingmags]

yeah we all know that, this is a different option.

[knownothingmags]

That's pretty cool! It looks like it's symmetrical enough to flip it the other way, for those of us that prefer to rock back, Sheridan style?

yeah sure.

[zulubravo44]

You can use a PTP warp feed adaptor and a Phantom feed gate already...
91021

that also gets a little bit problematic on a ULE body since you'd also have to get some kind of stem to go into the feedneck. knm is making something that lays flush on the top of the body and reduces the overall profile/weight (albeit slightly) for those that want a stock class ULE option.

[knownothingmags]

got the file back,

ready for a test print, but it will fall in line behind some other jobs that have been requested.

[Jaan]

that also gets a little bit problematic on a ULE body since you'd also have to get some kind of stem to go into the feedneck. knm is making something that lays flush on the top of the body and reduces the overall profile/weight (albeit slightly) for those that want a stock class ULE option.
Right, I was just responding to the poster that asked about warp feed bodies, no trying to steal anyones thunder.

[knownothingmags]

Right, I was just responding to the poster that asked about warp feed bodies, no trying to steal anyones thunder.

don't worry you didn't steal any thunder,
but I can respond to my own thread. :D

since my design really doesn't represent the PTP idea you stated, that has been used for many years,
that's why im producing what I am.

but yes thankyou for the input.

say any and all you want. this is just an interest thread.

when these go up for sale i don't ever need a preorder, trying to break that old AO stigma,

im doing it with Emag batteries and plan to do it with more items.

don't get me wrong that idea is not new just uncommon.

[zulubravo44]

got the file back,

ready for a test print, but it will fall in line behind some other jobs that have been requested.

can't wait to see it.

[knownothingmags]

printing now :D

[knownothingmags]

here it is attached.

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/3D%20print%20shop/IMG_20150406_223336_651_zpsupunhvpj.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/3D%20print%20shop/IMG_20150406_223336_651_zpsupunhvpj.jpg.html)
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[skipdogg]

Great. How long will testing phase be?

[knownothingmags]

Great. How long will testing phase be?

ill have to send some out for testing.

[cougar20th]

Looks good.

[barkingspider]

Looking nice!

[zulubravo44]

looks even sturdier than it was last version, awesome. can't wait to get into it. great work.

[knownothingmags]

Looks good.

props to this man for the help when I asked.

[cougar20th]

You're welcome. Sorry it took so long. Works been crazy busy.

[knownothingmags]

You're welcome. Sorry it took so long. Works been crazy busy.

lol same here. crazy is the best way to describe it.

[bowcycle]

There's been a lot of buzz on here lately about warpless feeds.
I'm thinking this would work great on a ULE version of TheJackal's MOTM entry or that it could be a good q-loader adapter.
Your thoughts on that?

[knownothingmags]

There's been a lot of buzz on here lately about warpless feeds.
I'm thinking this would work great on a ULE version of TheJackal's MOTM entry or that it could be a good q-loader adapter.
Your thoughts on that?

not sure anything can be done, just takes time

[knownothingmags]

little delay, my printer wanted to start on fire last night so ill have to just check some stuff before I move forward

[going_home]

Time to buy another one.....


;)

[knownothingmags]

im starting the new printer up tonight.
havnt done anything with it since I got it :rolleyes:

[knownothingmags]

ABS, the orange...
is more flexible than the PLA I was using, still holds the body the way I intend it too.
remember if this was meant to be anymore difficult to remove from the body than it is, it would wear the body finish very quickly.

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/IMG_20150411_231818_053_zpsiojnjsmg.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/IMG_20150411_231818_053_zpsiojnjsmg.jpg.html)

[zulubravo44]

ABS, the orange...
is more flexible than the PLA I was using, still holds the body the way I intend it too.
remember if this was meant to be anymore difficult to remove from the body than it is, it would wear the body finish very quickly.



It looks really solid, actually. And it would appear that the CCI feed tube is positioned almost perfectly to accommodate the "speed feed" just aft of the valve/reg. Looking forward to seeing the test results/reviews for how it holds up in play, but I think it will probably do just fine given how little extra weight it will have to bear when loaded.

[cougar20th]

It looks really solid, actually. And it would appear that the CCI feed tube is positioned almost perfectly to accommodate the "speed feed" just aft of the valve/reg. Looking forward to seeing the test results/reviews for how it holds up in play, but I think it will probably do just fine given how little extra weight it will have to bear when loaded.

Buy a CCI 15 Rd stickfeed and cut it down to your liking. Thats what I have done on the stainless stockclass conversions I have done.

[knownothingmags]

oh now who to send some tests too?

[zulubravo44]

oh now who to send some tests too?

I'd love to be a tester, but it'll be about two weeks before I can even think about getting out on the field.

[skipdogg]

oh now who to send some tests too?

Up to you, but if you need someone PM me. I'll be able to test. Also, depending on your time frame, I'll be at Living Legends May 15-17 and can use it as my primary both days.

[knownothingmags]

Up to you, but if you need someone PM me. I'll be able to test. Also, depending on your time frame, I'll be at Living Legends May 15-17 and can use it as my primary both days.
shoot me your addy and screen name,

** people testing will need a cci tube to thread into this item, this may change if these are offered to the public

I need 2 more people to test.

[knownothingmags]

two testers have shipped. sorry they prolly wont get to you guys for play this weekend.
I tried. :D

[skipdogg]

Got it yesterday, Thanks KNM!. Should be able to set it up and plink in the backyard a little tonight. Then off to the field this weekend. Will post updates after each use.

[knownothingmags]

Got it yesterday, Thanks KNM!. Should be able to set it up and plink in the backyard a little tonight. Then off to the field this weekend. Will post updates after each use.

sounds good.

[zulubravo44]

got it yesterday as well. unfortunately i have an un-plinkable back yard (condos).

should be out on the field to test it the weekend after this though; will report back.

[knownothingmags]

got it yesterday as well. unfortunately i have an un-plinkable back yard (condos).

should be out on the field to test it the weekend after this though; will report back.

I guess my advise is to just do whatever. you break it you break it you know...

[zulubravo44]

at first tinker, it seems pretty damn solid. I was almost worried it was going to scratch my ULE, until I remembered that it was made of plastic. It snaps on very solidly.

[knownothingmags]

at first tinker, it seems pretty damn solid. I was almost worried it was going to scratch my ULE, until I remembered that it was made of plastic. It snaps on very solidly.

if you get dirt or a small rock or something between the part and your ULE it might scratch it, when putting it on and such.

[skipdogg]

Got to shoot a little last night.
Installation was a breeze. Snapped it on no problem. Shot about 10 rounds in the backyard. Between each shot I tipped the gun forward about 30 degrees to make sure a ball would roll into the chamber. No misfires, ball breaks, or any issue at all.
This weekend I will play live action with it.
the only thing I noticed after i was done shooting... their is a little side to side play with the piece. the "wings" do not come all the way down to the top of the rail. Not sure if the design called for this for a specific reason. I'm not sure if its a issue either. my only thought are, while playing if the piece does shift to one side, will it effect the balls feeding (shrink the size of the feedneck hole by covering a small portion of it). When i play this weekend ill shoot some balls with the piece shifted on purpose to see if this is even a issue.

[knownothingmags]

Got to shoot a little last night.
Installation was a breeze. Snapped it on no problem. Shot about 10 rounds in the backyard. Between each shot I tipped the gun forward about 30 degrees to make sure a ball would roll into the chamber. No misfires, ball breaks, or any issue at all.
This weekend I will play live action with it.
the only thing I noticed after i was done shooting... their is a little side to side play with the piece. the "wings" do not come all the way down to the top of the rail. Not sure if the design called for this for a specific reason. I'm not sure if its a issue either. my only thought are, while playing if the piece does shift to one side, will it effect the balls feeding (shrink the size of the feedneck hole by covering a small portion of it). When i play this weekend ill shoot some balls with the piece shifted on purpose to see if this is even a issue.

yeah I purposely left that side to side play in,
that can be taken up easily enough. :D

thank you,
and keep the input coming.

[skipdogg]

So played for half a day Sunday with it. Shot about 100-200 rounds during live play. The 'Side to side' movement the piece has, did not effect the feeding of balls in any way. I had no issues of any kind. The feed worked great and as expected. It just straight up worked. Very happy with it. Will be making arrangements for purchasing the set up KMM sent me. I will continue to use it. If anything negative, unexpected, etc. happens I will update this post. But going forward if you don't hear from me it means I am happy and all is good!

[zulubravo44]

I still haven't had a chance to actually play with it, but I've been tinkering with mine quite a bit. This includes smacking it and twisting it to see just how resilient it is (though what I've done far exceeds the abuse I'd actually expect it to survive from the way I play, particularly given how it is positioned).

The good news is that the thing holds up just fine. Being smacked sideways with enough force does result in it popping off of the body, but even tumbling through the air and striking my floor from standing height does no visible damage to it. Keep in mind that the force required to actually knock it off has to be aimed just right, and required winding up for a forehanded slap. You'd have to break your ass to generate enough force to get it to pop off in a game, unless your opponent was sneaky enough to come up and b*** slap your marker. That is to say it stays on just as it should, but is also super straightforward (though requires a bit of force) to take off.

I've also been feeding balls through it and testing the side to side movement, but there don't seem to be any issues with feeding. The movement is really minimal, too, maybe 1-2° of rotation. It always looks like it's right on center.

The only "shortcoming" is the totally understandable absence of threads to receive the CCI feed tube. Hence, you're basically cutting threads into the plastic with the CCI feed tube. This works for a while, but I worry that over time the plastic may stretch or these cut threads will wear a bit, particularly if there is force applied to the back end of the feed tube from side to side or up/down. The quick fix appears to be using some epoxy to fuse the feed tube to the mounting bracket.

Overall all, this is an amazingly simple and sophisticated way to make any ULE mag stock class. It looks awesome and works exactly as it should. And it's feasible that you could yank the thing off and put on a feed neck/hopper in about 20-30 seconds, making it VERY easy to switch between stock and open class play formats between (or even during) a game.

In terms of functional improvements, there aren't really any obvious ones for the core functionality of the product (read: it works exactly as it should). Some added features that would be interesting to consider might include:
• C clips on either side to hold 10 rd tubes
• Dovetail on the top to accommodate mounting a sight of some sort (armson pro-dot maybe?)

From a cosmetic perspective, it fits in really well with the functional design factor of AGD. I would imagine it could come in a number of colors, but black suited my needs perfectly. The only cosmetic shortfall comes from the 3D printing process, where you can see the bead lines pretty clearly and there are a few places where the surface gets quite rough. However, this is easily remedied with some fine grit sandpaper for those that think such things are necessary.

I too will be making arrangements to purchase the kit KNM sent me, and I'll be looking forward to see if he also comes up with a version that accommodates the cram-n-jam approach to stock class play.

Also a PS for those thinking about warpless feeds: The thing can easily be flipped the other direction (so the feed is facing forwards) like a longbow/qbow adapter. This could make it an excellent candidate for warpless feed options as long as there was a 90° elbow available. That said, two 90° elbows that close to one another may make for some chunky feeding, especially if the distance between them wasn't tuned. KNM's bracket isn't a true 90° corner, it's more of a curved tube, so there's a bit of comfort there.

[knownothingmags]

I still haven't had a chance to actually play with it, but I've been tinkering with mine quite a bit. This includes smacking it and twisting it to see just how resilient it is (though what I've done far exceeds the abuse I'd actually expect it to survive from the way I play, particularly given how it is positioned).

The good news is that the thing holds up just fine. Being smacked sideways with enough force does result in it popping off of the body, but even tumbling through the air and striking my floor from standing height does no visible damage to it. Keep in mind that the force required to actually knock it off has to be aimed just right, and required winding up for a forehanded slap. You'd have to break your ass to generate enough force to get it to pop off in a game, unless your opponent was sneaky enough to come up and b*** slap your marker. That is to say it stays on just as it should, but is also super straightforward (though requires a bit of force) to take off.

I've also been feeding balls through it and testing the side to side movement, but there don't seem to be any issues with feeding. The movement is really minimal, too, maybe 1-2° of rotation. It always looks like it's right on center.

The only "shortcoming" is the totally understandable absence of threads to receive the CCI feed tube. Hence, you're basically cutting threads into the plastic with the CCI feed tube. This works for a while, but I worry that over time the plastic may stretch or these cut threads will wear a bit, particularly if there is force applied to the back end of the feed tube from side to side or up/down. The quick fix appears to be using some epoxy to fuse the feed tube to the mounting bracket.
the cci tube is tapered as is the area the tube is threading into, so that would limit some of the concerns.
but I do see what you are saying especially if you are threading the cci tube in and out a lot.
not sure of a remedy for that yet. :confused: might not need it. :)

Overall all, this is an amazingly simple and sophisticated way to make any ULE mag stock class. It looks awesome and works exactly as it should. And it's feasible that you could yank the thing off and put on a feed neck/hopper in about 20-30 seconds, making it VERY easy to switch between stock and open class play formats between (or even during) a game.

In terms of functional improvements, there aren't really any obvious ones for the core functionality of the product (read: it works exactly as it should). Some added features that would be interesting to consider might include:
• C clips on either side to hold 10 rd tubes
• Dovetail on the top to accommodate mounting a sight of some sort (armson pro-dot maybe?)

these items can sure be added to the design. also working on incorporating into the design to be able to just shove your 10 rnd tube in, and have that be the feed.

From a cosmetic perspective, it fits in really well with the functional design factor of AGD. I would imagine it could come in a number of colors, but black suited my needs perfectly. The only cosmetic shortfall comes from the 3D printing process, where you can see the bead lines pretty clearly and there are a few places where the surface gets quite rough. However, this is easily remedied with some fine grit sandpaper for those that think such things are necessary.
as those where prototypes I printed them as low res as possible, if/when these become avail ill print in a higher res to reduce the visible layers and such issues.

I too will be making arrangements to purchase the kit KNM sent me, and I'll be looking forward to see if he also comes up with a version that accommodates the cram-n-jam approach to stock class play.

Also a PS for those thinking about warpless feeds: The thing can easily be flipped the other direction (so the feed is facing forwards) like a longbow/qbow adapter. This could make it an excellent candidate for warpless feed options as long as there was a 90° elbow available. That said, two 90° elbows that close to one another may make for some chunky feeding, especially if the distance between them wasn't tuned. KNM's bracket isn't a true 90° corner, it's more of a curved tube, so there's a bit of comfort there.


thankyou very much for the input guys.
ill be tweeking the rotation of the adapter, so that it is minimized just a bit more.
and go over some other stuff.

[zulubravo44]

thankyou very much for the input guys.
ill be tweeking the rotation of the adapter, so that it is minimized just a bit more.
and go over some other stuff.

Just one last thing on the threads eventually wearing out: I don't think there's any reason to address this issue in the design, as the plastic will always eventually wear out if it is threaded. Building in some kind of aluminum threaded collar is a waste of time and effort, since epoxy can sort this out just fine. All that to say I think the design is great, and it shouldn't be expected to be more than it is, given that you're 3d printing it in plastic!

[barkingspider]

I can't wait for these to work the kinks out. I'd like a couple black ones.

[zulubravo44]

Here it is all set up. I originally had a 15 rd CCI tube on there, but it pressed against the lens of my mask when I aimed it. So, I cut about 1.5" from the back to get the fit just right.

91224

It holds 12 with a tiny bit of wiggle room now (counting one in the chamber).

Everyone with a ULE pump mag ought to get one of these set ups so they can jump into SC and modified SC play. It feels so sneaky...

[knownothingmags]

working on printing some on the dual extruder printer. we will see how that one does. :D
should be good to go.
any major changes?

[zulubravo44]

working on printing some on the dual extruder printer. we will see how that one does. :D
should be good to go.
any major changes?

can't think of a thing that needs a change if this bit about higher resolution printing is true. still working like a charm despite my constant fidgeting with it.

[knownothingmags]

I can try to get these made for people if they want them.
but I will not be making them.

I am selling all the 3D printing stuff.

stuff just happened and I will be selling a lot of stuff.

[barkingspider]

pm sent, want two in black

[zulubravo44]

Was just tinkering a bit before getting to work this morning, and thought that it might be interesting if a 3/8 or full width picatinny could be drawn into the adapter. Some good old iron sights, as long as the printing resolution was high enough, would also be cool, except that the distance between front and rear sights might be too short...

[zulubravo44]

Made it out to the field to play four or five games with this set up. In terms of function, look and performance, it performed flawlessly. There isn't a single thing I'd modify or change out. You just have to remember to not let your barrel condom string get stuck between the feed tube and the body of your mag, else it might start to pry the thing off. However, that same quick-unsnapability made it super easy to throw my little hopper back on after I got overshot for the third time by all the kids shooting axes.

Overall, if you're looking to add a little more challenge to your ULE pump setup, this is a must have.

Now if I could only find 10rd tubes that performed half as well as this thing, I'd actually have some paint to shoot when I was out there!

[knownothingmags]

im going through some stuff, wife wise. :/
but I am trying to keep up with products,
problem is I have to find the file of the snap on feed you are using.

so there the problem lies.
finding stuff I hide from myself.

but just to let everyone know I am looking and working on this.
so if it is something you must have let me know. volumes speak volumes when it comes to finding stuff.


thank you and always I know nothing...

KNM

[knownothingmags]

Time to buy another one.....


;)
I know it is a necro reply,
but im doing it(buying another printer). at this ones seems to be tits on.

[barkingspider]

This is great news! I still want two of these in black..........I'll be looking forward to your purchase

[cougar20th]

Ryan, if you find you need it. I still have the version of the file I worked on. It wouldn't take into account any changes you made after I was done with it.

[VecTor]

I would like 2 of these as well. I don’t know if it’s possible but a clear option would be nice, so i can see when I’m down to last ball or 2??
If not black would work great!

Thank you.

[knownothingmags]

Ryan, if you find you need it. I still have the version of the file I worked on. It wouldn't take into account any changes you made after I was done with it.

there is a taper I put in that wasn't part of what you helped me with. that I could see anyways.
because the feed tubes have a tapered thread.

[cougar20th]

there is a taper I put in that wasn't part of what you helped me with. that I could see anyways.
because the feed tubes have a tapered thread.

that makes sense. I think I remember you telling me about that.

[GoatBoy]

I know it is a necro reply,
but im doing it(buying another printer). at this ones seems to be tits on.

What printer are you getting, and how many tits are we talking about here?

[knownothingmags]

What printer are you getting, and how many tits are we talking about here?

lol forgot I typed that.
resolution of this one can be tuned down to 11 microns. the company says 25 microns, but I know a few things.
its call the BIG BOX by E3D.
they are an awesome company, they are very high quality.
and if they hit there 200k goal, they will implement sensors instead of probes. it looks to be very promising, (for an at home printer under 2000$

when I find my file with the taper in the feed hole, ill print a bunch here at work to get these out to people.

[GoatBoy]

Interesting. Looks like they already hit 200k.

Be careful of projects like these. E3D's good at making hotends, but these 3d printer guys have a bad habit of biting off more than they can chew. Whenever someone yells "no compromises!", it's a huge red flag.

[knownothingmags]

Interesting. Looks like they already hit 200k.

Be careful of projects like these. E3D's good at making hotends, but these 3d printer guys have a bad habit of biting off more than they can chew. Whenever someone yells "no compromises!", it's a huge red flag.
200k pounds
they arn't the only ones in this project. they have some big time backers

[GoatBoy]

200k pounds
they arn't the only ones in this project. they have some big time backers

Oh lol.

If they had big time backers, they wouldn't need Kickstarter. That's the reality of the situation, and reality is catching up to these crowdfunding projects now.

Just be careful. Hope for the best, but expect the worst. Watch for the red flags.

If you've got money jumping off of you, then sure, go for it.

[knownothingmags]

Oh lol.

If they had big time backers, they wouldn't need Kickstarter. That's the reality of the situation, and reality is catching up to these crowdfunding projects now.

Just be careful. Hope for the best, but expect the worst. Watch for the red flags.

If you've got money jumping off of you, then sure, go for it.
oh yeah no I get what you are saying.
big time backers as knowledge base, not financial, is what I meant.

yeah I will be holding back. for a while.

[knownothingmags]

found the file.
printing two variations out to see if im ready to get at least some of these out there.

[barkingspider]

How did it turn out? Excited for this to come to life.

[knownothingmags]

:shooting:

[knownothingmags]

anyone have a vert/ warp left/ warp right tac one they would be willing to send me?

[knownothingmags]

thoughts on the cartoonish version?
91933
91934

[C_losjoker]

that looks good,, and really liking the rail.

pm you.


ABS, the orange...
is more flexible than the PLA I was using, still holds the body the way I intend it too.
remember if this was meant to be anymore difficult to remove from the body than it is, it would wear the body finish very quickly.

http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/IMG_20150411_231818_053_zpsiojnjsmg.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/IMG_20150411_231818_053_zpsiojnjsmg.jpg.html)

[knownothingmags]

91935
I know its not the riht tactical profile,
but if I get some donation tac1 left right and vert, ill make stock class mounts
they will secure with nylon tipped set screws

[Syko89]

anyone have a vert/ warp left/ warp right tac one they would be willing to send me?
I have a extra wl and wr I could send you

[knownothingmags]

Just need 1 of them could get the cad and testing done in a weekend. Let me know

[Syko89]

Just pm me a address

[GoatBoy]

I think you're going to get body finish wear regardless what you do. You get a little bit of dirt or sand in there and boom, that's the end.

Anyways, just had an amusing thought... have you ever used flexible filament?

I've been printing stuff with Sainsmart TPU; it's flexible but still fairly rigid (definitely more rigid than Ninjaflex, which makes it slightly easier to print with). It bends but doesn't stretch (much).

[knownothingmags]

I think you're going to get body finish wear regardless what you do. You get a little bit of dirt or sand in there and boom, that's the end.

Anyways, just had an amusing thought... have you ever used flexible filament?

I've been printing stuff with Sainsmart TPU; it's flexible but still fairly rigid (definitely more rigid than Ninjaflex, which makes it slightly easier to print with). It bends but doesn't stretch (much).

yeah there will be body wear.
I need people to know that for sure.

yeah I use flexible stuff all the time.
it helps to use a good hot end and a good setup.

but that's what im pushing into soon.
my printer is being jerk so I have some teching to do tonight.
so ill run a fresh print tonight when im done.

[knownothingmags]

photo of the tactical stock class feeder
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/20151108_103446_zpsi9jboz09.jpg (http://s741.photobucket.com/user/thetoolishere/media/20151108_103446_zpsi9jboz09.jpg.html)


video to show its nice a slide.
http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/th_20151108_103450_zps13ej0zuo.mp4 (http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx60/thetoolishere/20151108_103450_zps13ej0zuo.mp4)

[GoatBoy]

We CAN have nice things, as long as we stop using feednecks-as-structural-components!

That is so tactical, u don't even know.

What did you use for the picatinny spec? I've found... issues with the "official" mil spec.

[knownothingmags]

We CAN have nice things, as long as we stop using feednecks-as-structural-components!

That is so tactical, u don't even know.

What did you use for the picatinny spec? I've found... issues with the "official" mil spec.
went off grab cad, tac one body, m4, m16,

thinking of oversizing just a bit and letting the nylon tip set screw(s) take up the slack.

you are being sarcastic right? about the tactical comment. :p

[GoatBoy]

went off grab cad, tac one body, m4, m16,

thinking of oversizing just a bit and letting the nylon tip set screw(s) take up the slack.

you are being sarcastic right? about the tactical comment. :p

Yes, yes, I r kid u. "Tactical" stuff always makes me laugh for some reason.

So anyways, I really should try taking my own advice every once in a while. All this talk reminded me of an old project...

I wanted a quickly removable, adaptable car camera mount and had settled on Picatinny. However I was stuck on trying to figure out how to make a printable quick-release mating attachment...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-X8XVe2lBusg/VkOMjBHlnuI/AAAAAAAAIKE/xvt8cR81i_U/

Sorry for bad photo quality; unfortunate consequences of liking black.

Those are printed in black flexible TPU. It actually holds pretty well and is still quickly removable since it's, you know, flexible. Next version will have some recoil bars baked into it to help prevent it from sliding.

Not sure if it would be rigid enough for a cram 'n jam, but just food for thought.

[knownothingmags]

Yes, yes, I r kid u. "Tactical" stuff always makes me laugh for some reason.

So anyways, I really should try taking my own advice every once in a while. All this talk reminded me of an old project...

I wanted a quickly removable, adaptable car camera mount and had settled on Picatinny. However I was stuck on trying to figure out how to make a printable quick-release mating attachment...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-X8XVe2lBusg/VkOMjBHlnuI/AAAAAAAAIKE/xvt8cR81i_U/

Sorry for bad photo quality; unfortunate consequences of liking black.

Those are printed in black flexible TPU. It actually holds pretty well and is still quickly removable since it's, you know, flexible. Next version will have some recoil bars baked into it to help prevent it from sliding.

Not sure if it would be rigid enough for a cram 'n jam, but just food for thought.
I was thinking my orange uprint plus abs material was the MOST tactical :D

[barkingspider]

Anymore news with the snap on ule stock feeds. If I'm remembering you were twiking it a bit. I want a couple of these as well. I'm not sure if it's a smart move to have my ule body powder coated. Would this pose problems with your current design? Before you mentioned that it was a tight fit where wear on the body will happen, which I interpret very tight tolerance.

[knownothingmags]

Anymore news with the snap on ule stock feeds. If I'm remembering you were twiking it a bit. I want a couple of these as well. I'm not sure if it's a smart move to have my ule body powder coated. Would this pose problems with your current design? Before you mentioned that it was a tight fit where wear on the body will happen, which I interpret very tight tolerance.

waiting for my ule body to get back to me
I could push that tolerance for you but it will increase the price for your part.
as it would for anyone with custom fitments.

I'm also trying to make a practical version that will work with the Tac 1 body. WL/ WR and Vert,
close just have to see how it comes out.

[barkingspider]

waiting for my ule body to get back to me
I could push that tolerance for you but it will increase the price for your part.
as it would for anyone with custom fitments.

I'm also trying to make a practical version that will work with the Tac 1 body. WL/ WR and Vert,
close just have to see how it comes out.

Sounds good. Extra fee for tolerance adjustment is no problem as long as it's reasonable.

[knownothingmags]

Sounds good. Extra fee for tolerance adjustment is no problem as long as it's reasonable.

yeah for sure,

I just need to get these out to the public, its been too long,

the divorce threw a huge wrench in to the works,( which is still not final)
and then I had corrupted files so I had to start over.

but I just really need to get this out.

then I can work on getting metal parts to people.

[knownothingmags]

ive got what looks to be the final designs for the snap on ULE body adapter, and the adapter for a vert feed tac one body.

now I'm just waiting for my fixed Printer to get back to me.

once that comes back which should be soon, ill be getting these out.
meanwhile I'm going to be designing a new part for warp type bodies.