Brand New XMT Unibody.......The EVO!!!!!

[Xmagterror]

WELCOME TO THE EVOLUTION IN AUTOMAG BODIES!!!!!!

Masterfully designed in England by AO's Renie, Machined from billet aluminum in Michigan. I present to you the EVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pre-Order is up in the dealers section...check it out for details/pricing

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?272557-EVO-Unibody-Pre-Order


-Autococker Barrel Threads
-Dual Angel Detents
-Setup for Empire Axe feednecks
-Fore grip mounting provisions
-Uses RT Pro/Emag Sear
-6.8 oz. (the lightest XMT 3D machined body to date)


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/renie666/mag3_zpsyeb66wxx.jpg
A Quick Proto I made so i could hold it in my hands
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/IMG_20151130_115122621_zpst91n5lhs.jpg

Playing around with spray can dy-chem to see what it looks like red and different masking.
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http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/IMG_20151130_190056710_zpshvw5upv1.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/IMG_20151130_200752018_zps7zghbitl.jpg


AHH....THE FAMILY PICTURE
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x291/bridgemach90/IMG_20151130_114903869_zpsltjvebgu.jpg

[TyeStick]

Very nice!

Will there be option to opt for Ego detents instead of Angel detents? I know pricing will reflect this, but I'm really looking to move away from Angel detents and move to a detent that's more commonly available.

[knownothingmags]

am/mm lengths?

[Laku]

Very nice!

Will there be option to opt for Ego detents instead of Angel detents? I know pricing will reflect this, but I'm really looking to move away from Angel detents and move to a detent that's more commonly available.

I'd also be interested about this with place for ego eyes like renie designed.

[keiko_819]

I'll take one am/mm length please, looks great

[Xmagterror]

We could do AM length but im not sure how we would mount a foregrip to it. Just gotta cut the front off to make it shorter.

as for the ego eyes and detents, theres not enough room to pull that off from what renie tells me and would add aprox $75 to the price for the added machine time and extra parts (covers). AGD will stock Angel detents forever and when they dont i will fire up the cnc lathe and make a batch. should just be able to use the ACE system and have me mill it to accept it.

[Xmagterror]

This body needs a grip frame with integrated fore grip!!! HINT HINT Cougar20th!!!

[knownothingmags]

if you can do an am/mm length and have a nice forgrip mount, I would be interested in RT/ AM/MM once price is confirmed

[Zeropjc]

Wow this thing is beautiful! love to see it all pieced together. :shooting:

[Laku]

as for the ego eyes and detents, theres not enough room to pull that off from what renie tells me and would add aprox $75 to the price for the added machine time and extra parts (covers).

I thought renie had already made CAD that had those? Anyway if it can be an option I'd be willing to pay for that.


I've done 2 bodies one with ego eyes and detents the other with standard detents want to prove the body so went for the easier milling option on this one 1st

[cougar20th]

This body needs a grip frame with integrated fore grip!!! HINT HINT Cougar20th!!!

Shot me a email. I might have something that will work.

[renie]

Looking good can't wait to get mine :)
We reworked the cad to be spot on,
The ego detent/eye version is a lot more involved it's not just milling out the detail you have to reverse engineer the eye covers to suit I think $75 extra would be way too cheap it's an option I'm sure that could be looked into but hey who need eyes ;) lv10 all the way

[splat15k]

I wouldn't use it for the eye feature at all. Angel detents suck.

[renie]

I'm sure there are other options?
How about mini/axe detents?

[zondo]

This body needs a grip frame with integrated fore grip!!! HINT HINT Cougar20th!!!

I've got EMAG lowers for sale! :rofl:

[BigEvil]

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/stop_penis_erect_archer.gif

[Bunny]

Can't wait to see all the builds coming out in 2016 :headbang: Nice work Renie/XMT.

[maniacmechanic]

why Axe neck's instead of threads ?

[RST]

why Axe neck's instead of threads ?


Because better.

[SummaryJudgement]

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/stop_penis_erect_archer.gif

Lol!

Indeed!

[going_home]

why Axe neck's instead of threads ?

Please say it aint so Jay.

The feedneck was the first thing to go on my Axes.

They are HUGE and as ugly as the north end of a southbound mule.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b195/going_home/20151130_192430_009.jpg (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/going_home/media/20151130_192430_009.jpg.html)

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Why not go with Empire threads or Angel threads and then we can use low profile Violent Axe feednecks or CCM ?

[knownothingmags]

Please say it aint so Jay.

The feedneck was the first thing to go on my Axes.

They are HUGE and as ugly as the north end of a southbound mule.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b195/going_home/20151130_192430_009.jpg (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/going_home/media/20151130_192430_009.jpg.html)

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Why not go with Empire threads or Angel threads and then we can use low profile Violent Axe feednecks or CCM ?

+1

[keiko_819]

Wouldn't be opposed to angel threaded feednecks, as long as the empire feedneck adapters are once again made available.

[knownothingmags]

Wouldn't be opposed to angel threaded feednecks, as long as the empire feedneck adapters are once again made available.

that's a nice idea too.
hmmmm

[BigEvil]

Im looking at two of my mags on my wall right now in front of me... one has a CCM feedneck, the other has an Empire one like on the Resurrections and Snipers. The CCM one looks huge by comparison.

[BigEvil]

Hey XMT - will you be offering a fancy matching battery pack milling to go with this? (hint hint)

[Xmagterror]

Looks to me like there are 1 or maybe 2 styles of empire feednecks. This is really a no go for me. Im thinking it should just be angel threaded and use an adapter.

What other threaded feednecks would you guys like to use? What about detents (threaded style only, similar to angel). Im flexible on this....Ill do what the masses want.

[Xmagterror]

BTW......Looks like a MOD made me my own symbol thing in the upper right corner!!!! SWEET!!! THANKS!!!!

[zondo]

I don't mind the Empire feed necks. I like that the lever clamp is standard with them and doesn't cost an additional $30 ala CCM clamps.

[Laku]

Looking good can't wait to get mine :)
We reworked the cad to be spot on,
The ego detent/eye version is a lot more involved it's not just milling out the detail you have to reverse engineer the eye covers to suit I think $75 extra would be way too cheap it's an option I'm sure that could be looked into but hey who need eyes ;) lv10 all the way

Yep. Not strictly necessary but I like to have the options even if I don't really need them. :)

One option, and now I'm just throwing ideas without real knowledge of implementation possibilities, would possibly be axe type eyes?

[Nobody]

Empire feedneck threading is ICD threading .810 i believe.

Also, look at availability. Ccm feednecks suck. Huge, no lever and cor what they are, they are poorer to what is available. Empire, not only have them now, and you can get them just about everywhere.

The nub/stub/tit, whatever you can it, IS better. You can't crossthread it, it is stronger and i believe easier to machine.

Allen, Simon designed that feedneck & i am going to tell him that you don't like it. Expect your next ID purchase to have a gratuity added in on it ;)

And if you don't like that feedneck, send it to me, i love them. Even better that it is clear/unanno'd. Seriously, i will take it.

[renie]

I can draw up a feed neck if that helps?

[Laku]

What other threaded feednecks would you guys like to use? What about detents (threaded style only, similar to angel). Im flexible on this....Ill do what the masses want.

I don't really mind axe feednecks, but anything that is available in Europe and has low profile options and clamping would work for me.

[going_home]

Empire feedneck threading is ICD threading .810 i believe.

Also, look at availability. Ccm feednecks suck. Huge, no lever and cor what they are, they are poorer to what is available. Empire, not only have them now, and you can get them just about everywhere.

The nub/stub/tit, whatever you can it, IS better. You can't crossthread it, it is stronger and i believe easier to machine.

Allen, Simon designed that feedneck & i am going to tell him that you don't like it. Expect your next ID purchase to have a gratuity added in on it ;)

And if you don't like that feedneck, send it to me, i love them. Even better that it is clear/unanno'd. Seriously, i will take it.

1) Simon is making autococker stuff now which I wont be buying.

2) If Jay does Angel or Empire threading the Empire feednecks will still work (and so will the Violent low pros), but the way the body is pictured the Empire feedneck is the ONLY one that will work.

Threads offer more options....



;)

[captian pinky]

not sure if i would pick one of these up personally, but i think having a threaded feedneck with an adapter to whatever direct mount feedneck people wanted would be a better option.

make it angel threaded and an option to buy when the bodies are sold. release the rest after the bodies have been sold so that others can do what they want with them. i like the ccm necks because they don't have a lot of milling they work and are easily replaced if need be. when the band breaks or cross threads its cheap to replace instead of replacing the whole thing.

[SummaryJudgement]

It looks like a Karta and a Dallara had a baby! :)

[Xmagterror]

Im thinking the production bodies will just be threaded and we can make an adapter on the lathe to use empire or whatever feednecks. the empire mount is very delicate when polishing the body anyways.

[boo]

Looks to me like there are 1 or maybe 2 styles of empire feednecks. This is really a no go for me. Im thinking it should just be angel threaded and use an adapter.

What other threaded feednecks would you guys like to use? What about detents (threaded style only, similar to angel). Im flexible on this....Ill do what the masses want.
I would be perfectly happy getting away from the Angel feedneck. When I sourced mine from the ule rt classics you did CCM made mention that they didn't have a whole lot left and that my options were limited.

WDP hasn't existed for 6 years, there's only NOS left. Plus those Angel threads are thin and I'm always surprised don't get stripped more. I know I haven't heard of issues of body damage due to a hard drop on the feedbeck, but there's something that seems structurally stronger if the feedneck is attached at a piece that's part of the body instead of screwed into the body.

Detents I totally get why to stick with Angel. Detents are the source of all sorts of feed problems and the engineering and field testing has validated Angel detents in mags, any other change you risk shipping a product that may have an engineering flaw that feeds poorly from the start. You don't have much choice in that area.

[Bunny]

BTW......Looks like a MOD made me my own symbol thing in the upper right corner!!!! SWEET!!! THANKS!!!!

Glad you like it. You have been pumping out a lot of awesome automag parts over the years and I feel like you deserve it. You and Lukes Customs come to mind when I think of custom automag parts and feel like you guys deserve to be different from the crowd. Keep up the great work!!

[going_home]

Some may not be familiar with Empire feednecks, and I didnt show before that its a two piece feedneck.

They will clamp onto the body Jay has made as pictured but they also come with a threaded piece they can clamp onto after its threaded into the body.

Personally I use either an Empire Nano feedneck or Violent feedneck which is basically the same as the Nano (these two are one piece, not two piece like the ones pictured).

And I have found that the ICD threads are virtually the same as Angel threads.

They will thread right onto a ULE body with no problems.

However because they are low profile, the Chord and Tac body, (and others) arent milled flat enough around the feedneck to allow using them.


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b195/going_home/20151201_185716.jpg (http://s19.photobucket.com/user/going_home/media/20151201_185716.jpg.html)


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[dodge3500]

Now I gotta build another mag.:)
I'll be in on a 1 piece.:)

[Xmagterror]

Now I gotta build another mag.:)
I'll be in on a 1 piece.:)

Sweet!!!

That shockwave emag i sold you is the fastest firing mag ive ever seen. That thing is insane!!!

[capt spank]

I'm confused on the foregrip thing. Will this accept other grips or only specially made ones?

[knownothingmags]

I'm confused on the foregrip thing. Will this accept other grips or only specially made ones?

hopefully he makes it like the shockwave foregrip adapter plates

[barkingspider]

hopefully he makes it like the shockwave foregrip adapter plates

I hope so because not only do I need to purchase a few of these new bodies, but my shockwaves is needing a plate

[ScottyBeans]

This body style would look super nice with a kaner barrel. Similar cuts, I think

[Xmagterror]

hopefully he makes it like the shockwave foregrip adapter plates

Yes very similar

[splat15k]

I think this is already settled, but I agree with those that have voice the preference of having threaded feednecks. Empire threading might make more sense from an availability standpoint.

Definitely would prefer (by several orders of manitude) a non-threaded detent solution. If the threaded detents must persist, I'd prefer cocker detents as there seems to be more options, some of which are rebuildable.

[keiko_819]

Would it be possible to make threaded detents kind of like the ones rpg makes? Maybe a little thinner? Those are by far my favorite detents, they can also be rebuilt and anodized
http://i1317.photobucket.com/albums/t626/Arturo_Maduena/0088B99D-0B67-4E82-A030-550E038CED9A_zpsvwdlxjmo.jpg (http://s1317.photobucket.com/user/Arturo_Maduena/media/0088B99D-0B67-4E82-A030-550E038CED9A_zpsvwdlxjmo.jpg.html)
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[going_home]

Rogue doesnt have any in stock ?

[Xmagterror]

Im still leaning towards using angel detents. the threaded parts that screws into the body on an autococker detent is shorter than an angel...meaning the head of the detent will be sunk in the body to get the detent ball where it needs to be.

[splat15k]

Rogue doesnt have any in stock ?

He hasn't for years.

[boo]

What's wrong with Kila? They still have Angel detents in stock and they are rebuild able.

[splat15k]

What's wrong with Kila? They still have Angel detents in stock and they are rebuild able.

They aren't very reliable...seems like the tiny retaining "ears" rock out of the retaining o-ring. I've shot out exactly half of the kilas I've used and had to fiddle with finding different o-rings (or double-stacking them) to successfully retain the detent.

[ScottyBeans]

What about axe detents? Strong, cheap, rebuildable and abundant.

[Laku]

Biggest reasons I'd like PE detents or something similar hidden is that it would make the body more sleek. And also because you can get PE detents all over the world, but Angel detents or feednecks I haven't been able to find on any store in Europe (not saying that I've found all the stores online obviously).

[going_home]

What about axe detents? Strong, cheap, rebuildable and abundant.

Thats actually not a bad idea, they still sell the 2014 Axe new.

Take the feedneck threads and the detents from a really popular marker......

[GoatBoy]

Anyone else find it strange that detents are still an unsettled issue in what is now nearly 2016?

I've never personally had problems with the detents on my ULE's, but I have seen them fail, and fail, and fail, and fail some more for other people.

[splat15k]

^Exactly. Time for something new/better instead of regurgitating the same flawed offerings in the name of standardization.

[Menace_AO]

Anyone else find it strange that detents are still an unsettled issue in what is now nearly 2016?


Yes, and not at all.

What I find strange is that for all the advancement (and Axe detents are plenty advanced and IMO the best spring-type detents on the planet), there is still nothing out there that can touch Tippmann style detents for overall blend of drop-dead simplicity, durability, function, and value.

Kind of curious that while most everyone has gone from one design to another, Tippmann has quietly been using the same style for more than two decades with great success. They haven't bothered to change it because, frankly, it is a nearly perfect design.

It makes all other one-piece models look positively imbecile by comparison. Come to think of it, it makes most other models of any kind look fairly imbecile by comparison. It doesn't need to appear clever or sophisticated because it just works. And if Tippmann ever goes out, it can be printed for next to nothing.

If you are going to use a pre-existing design and place bets on its being cheaply available in the future, that is the one.

[going_home]

That would mean dual detent covers....more machine time.....more money.

Hard to beat Axe detents....

[boo]

Yes, and not at all.

What I find strange is that for all the advancement (and Axe detents are plenty advanced and IMO the best spring-type detents on the planet), there is still nothing out there that can touch Tippmann style detents for overall blend of drop-dead simplicity, durability, function, and value.

Kind of curious that while most everyone has gone from one design to another, Tippmann has quietly been using the same style for more than two decades with great success. They haven't bothered to change it because, frankly, it is a nearly perfect design.

It makes all other one-piece models look positively imbecile by comparison. Come to think of it, it makes most other models of any kind look fairly imbecile by comparison. It doesn't need to appear clever or sophisticated because it just works. And if Tippmann ever goes out, it can be printed for next to nothing.

If you are going to use a pre-existing design and place bets on its being cheaply available in the future, that is the one.



Same could be said for wire detents, but they are ugly unless its on a nice vintage marker.

[Menace_AO]

Newp.

Wire breaketh and, in light of all we now know, is a demonstrably poor way to do detents unless you have only wire as a resource.

That is why AGD went away from it, and why vintage guns are the last vestige of that tradition.

Tippy detents haven't gone away because they are boringly, dependably, ineluctably functional.

Also they work well.

And are cheap.

And have a friendly orange color.

I will grant that for the sake of extra parts like covers the Axe variety would be best. I did note they are the best of that kind.

[TyeStick]

I really hope that using a alternative type of detent is a option for future Automag bodies that are to be released.

I really think it's time to step away from the Angel threaded detents. They're almost impossible to find locally. Scratch that. They're IMPOSSIBLE to find locally.

That means, having to order them online. At $10-$12 per a detent, plus shipping. Let's not forgot the waiting time for delivery as well.

I know there's more machining and cost associated with using other detents, but I think it's something that should be taken into consideration, or given as an option should the individual who is making the purchase chose to spend a little extra for a bit more of convenience.

[Laku]

J4 detent design looks pretty good btw.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1278921_538860612854183_511632661_o.jpg

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/paintball-news/225081-new-gun-design-j4-paintball-91.html#post2854227

But yeah, personally I'd prefer anything that is readily available and goes behind eye covers to make the body as sleek as possible.

[renie]

Eyecovers would hide the detent but still would need screws to hold them on so maybe a low profile detent instead?

[BigEvil]

The AGD design has worked perfectly since it came out. I don't see the need to change it. Axe detents are basically the same thing sans the threading.


#TOOMANYCHEFS

[dboggs79]

What about using a detent similar to the ASP detent mod used on a phantom? Simple, clean and hidden. No eye/detent covers or detent screwing up the lines of the milling.

[ScottyBeans]

The AGD design has worked perfectly since it came out. I don't see the need to change it. Axe detents are basically the same thing sans the threading.


#TOOMANYCHEFS


So what you're saying is we need a fully pneumatic detent that keeps the ball in place using super low pressure air on the front of the ball when chambered and automatically cuts out during the firing sequence via infrared sensor? Brilliant!!

[Xmagterror]

Ive never had a problem with the AGD detents. You just gotta set them so the bolt does not hit the detent body.
Pretty sure AGD will make them forever and when they dont i will make some.

[knownothingmags]

:rofl: but would be awsome
So what you're saying is we need a fully pneumatic detent that keeps the ball in place using super low pressure air on the front of the ball when chambered and automatically cuts out during the firing sequence via infrared sensor? Brilliant!!

[GoatBoy]

Wow didn't think I was going to sow so much discontent with my innocent little comment.


The AGD design has worked perfectly since it came out. I don't see the need to change it. Axe detents are basically the same thing sans the threading.


60% of the time it works every time!

It works when it works, but there is something seriously unreliable about either the design or the implementation that causes it to fail spectacularly, and there has been very little actual debug of the problem when it does.

I've seen guys at the field repeatedly blow detents out of their expensive new ULE bodies, and there are repeated reports of this online as well, and then everything turns into o-ring voodoo this and tighten or loosen that or buy these more expensive ones that still wind up doing the same thing.

The problem is way more nuanced than people give it credit for, and sometimes there are differences in internal geometries which aren't the detent's fault, but the detent which wasn't designed to take such differences into account winds up paying the price.

Sure, if you are the master of production and can tightly control tolerances on all your parts like Empire, then you can just make the one detent that works for that one implementation and it works fine.

But these aftermarket bodies are going into what is essentially a massive hodgepodge of different parts, all of which affect relevant geometries.


So what you're saying is we need a fully pneumatic detent that keeps the ball in place using super low pressure air on the front of the ball when chambered and automatically cuts out during the firing sequence via infrared sensor? Brilliant!!

Uh, well, you laugh, but minus the electronics because I don't like electronics... All that's necessary for this is for the bolt to hit the detent and actuate it before it hits the ball. Say if the detent were a long incline/lever, the front is the part that touches the ball, and the back is a ramp that touches the bolt in (possibly in the dead space between ball and bolt). The bolt has to push the detent out of the way in either case, but here the bolt can directly drive the detent, meaning you can have much stronger (reliable) detent contact with the ball without undue pain and suffering to the ball itself.

It's basically the inverse of the mechanical "eye" I proposed many years ago (and which one marker actually did sort-of implement).



Anyways, realistically, I don't see this getting fixed. The basic underlying problems:

1. People look to aesthetics first, and functionality second. It's all "what do the eye covers look like" this and "can I anodize it pink" that. What difference does it make if a gun can't actually shoot paint if it's just a wall-hanger anyways?
2. The little bastards are expensive. Which means manufacturers will be more than happy to make them and sell them to you. Yes, I will take your money for this little threaded aluminum thing, the spring, and this half-sphere thing! The markup on these things is FAAAAABULOUS!


My current recommendation is to move toward a Tippmann-style part. On the body, it's a flat slot milled, and then another flat milled outside of that. Put two of those in, one on each side of the body.

The upshot is the little guys are *adjustable*, because they should be 3d printable. Need one that's a little stiffer? Can do. Need one that sticks into the breech a little further? Can do. Need one exactly the same specs, but sits half a millimeter closer to the bolt? Can do. Need it half a millimeter further from the bolt? Can do.

With the current detents, you can't do jack monkey squat if something goes wrong except waste money and suffer. But I guess you'll look damn good while doing it.

[going_home]

But I guess you'll look damn good while doing it.

Thank you.

At least you know what MOTM is all about......

[Menace_AO]

J4 detent design looks pretty good btw.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1278921_538860612854183_511632661_o.jpg

http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/paintball-news/225081-new-gun-design-j4-paintball-91.html#post2854227

But yeah, personally I'd prefer anything that is readily available and goes behind eye covers to make the body as sleek as possible.

You know, it's funny that you linked that pic and that conversation in MCB. I still haven't been able to get even a single hit on these fabled bridge-style detents. No amount of searching turns them up anywhere else.

We certainly have pics as Josh showed, but still no idea where one can actually put hands on them. The design looks great, and it may well be just as functional as Tippy-style, but if you cannot get them, it becomes a moot point.

[BigEvil]

I have been using AGD thread in detents since they came out.. I have had TWO blow out on me.. EVER. Then again, I guess I know what I am doing. I can't believe that this has become so complicated. It's a ball detent.. not cold-fusion.

[dodge3500]

I have been using AGD thread in detents since they came out.. I have had TWO blow out on me.. EVER. Then again, I guess I know what I am doing. I can't believe that this has become so complicated. It's a ball detent.. not cold-fusion.

Lol I'm with you.

[GoatBoy]

You know, it's funny that you linked that pic and that conversation in MCB. I still haven't been able to get even a single hit on these fabled bridge-style detents. No amount of searching turns them up anywhere else.


I've considered this design as well; it's basically a cross section slice of a Dye Assault Matrix detent.

Ultimately I still don't think it's as good as a Tippmann style. Seems slightly less customizaable, and if I have to make contact with a ball, I want it to be spread over a larger surface area.

And then when it comes time to fire, instead of "mushing" to get out of the way, it would be better for the entire thing to just be a good boy and lay down. Down, detent, down. Das a goo boi. Who's a good detent?



I have been using AGD thread in detents since they came out.. I have had TWO blow out on me.. EVER. Then again, I guess I know what I am doing. I can't believe that this has become so complicated. It's a ball detent.. not cold-fusion.

I've had AGD detents in my ULE bodies probably just as long, and I have had ZERO of them blow out on me, EVER.

Doesn't change the results when I sit down and actually look at the designs though.

[keiko_819]

Pretty sure AGD will make them forever and when they dont i will make some.

^ this...personally never had a problem with agd detents, but if you plan on making something I would much rather have a detent(axe, angel, cocker, or who ever makes detents that mount strait to the body) than have an extra screw on either side of the body to hold on a hidden detent...not to mention what a pain it would be to get screws ano'd to match anything other than raw or black bodies

[PaintballSmurf13]

I'd opt for a Q-lock feedneck, personally. Still my favorite feedneck of all time.

[river031403]

Feedkneck options for axe/empire?
http://paintballgateway.com/inmife.html

[Xmagterror]

Im really leaning towards angel feedneck threads and just ship with an adapter for empire. Im just afraid the empire necks are just a fad....thats why im going to thread the body. There is hardly any selection of them. the angel feedneck supplies have dried up also but with an adapter its not really a big deal....Plus many AGD owners have several angel necks already.

[Laku]

Im really leaning towards angel feedneck threads and just ship with an adapter for empire. Im just afraid the empire necks are just a fad....thats why im going to thread the body. There is hardly any selection of them. the angel feedneck supplies have dried up also but with an adapter its not really a big deal....Plus many AGD owners have several angel necks already.

I think that would be fine. It's covering both options so anyone can choose what they want.

[boo]

That would be awesome, please make lots of extra adapters! This would give us a clean way to mount the empire springfeed to any ule body.

[river031403]

That would be awesome, please make lots of extra adapters! This would give us a clean way to mount the empire springfeed to any ule body.

That's a great idea...!!! Why didn't I think of that? ;0)
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?267856-Angel-feedneck-to-empire-feedneck-adapter!!LIMITED-RUN

[BLachance75]

Do you have pictures of how fore grips will connect.

I'll throw my detent opinion out since everybody else has. I say you go with a Dye eye pipe. Dye used them for 5 or 6 years and you can still easily find them. Also if they ever did run out I would imagine it would be easy to print. The only potential problem I see is I don't know if a level 10 bolt will fit. I'll have to drag out my DM8 and see if the pipe fits easily on a bolt.

[going_home]

Wasnt the eye pipe one of the many weak links in the Dye design ?

[boo]

So what you're saying is we need a fully pneumatic detent that keeps the ball in place using super low pressure air on the front of the ball when chambered and automatically cuts out during the firing sequence via infrared sensor? Brilliant!!

Yes! We need to overengineer the **** outta this detent design. **** even coming out with a new body, just release r&D versions of the body to the community at no charge with various detent designs. I think by the 5th generation we'll have detents as good as angel detents, but are in fact not angel detents! The return on investment for a 25 body run will totally be worth it.

I have an extra set of angel detents from a previous xmt project so I'm good.

[C_losjoker]

That's a great idea...!!! Why didn't I think of that? ;0)
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?267856-Angel-feedneck-to-empire-feedneck-adapter!!LIMITED-RUN

You need to make more.

[river031403]

You need to make more.
If I had the funds to finance another run I would but I'm tapped out this year my son is a dual sport athelete which require$ lot$ of money for training

[BLachance75]

Wasnt the eye pipe one of the many weak links in the Dye design ?

I have a DM8 that still has the original eye pipe in it and it was my main shooter for several years. I'm guessing it has several hundred cases through it not counting dry firing.

I did check and a level 10 bolt does fit inside the eye pipe.

[Crazy4mad]

Aka paintball low angel threaded feednecks are great. Low profile and keep the hopper tight good looking to

[going_home]

Aka paintball low angel threaded feednecks are great. Low profile and keep the hopper tight good looking to

Those will probably eventually go away too. Jared with destructive customs now owns all of that it's my understanding

[Crazy4mad]

He has the branded on his website for mag ule bodies

[Xmagterror]

Pre-Order Starts Tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Crazy4mad]

Xmagterror I would like to get one if these bodies but what is the final design with the feednecks and price thanks troy

[Xmagterror]

threaded for angel feedneck with included empire adapter. Dual angel detents. Check Pre-order tomorrow for pricing.

[going_home]

Pre-Order Starts Tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well ?

You realize tomorrow never gets here because it sneaks in as today.....


;)

[Xmagterror]

Well ?

You realize tomorrow never gets here because it sneaks in as today.....


;)

bahahaha....yes i havent had time to start the list. tonight or tomorrow. machining bodies right now.

[Crazy4mad]

How much will it cost for a pre order bahahaha

[going_home]

How much will it cost for a pre order bahahaha



More than whats in your Paypal account right now, but cheaper than a used Xmag body....



;)

[Crazy4mad]

I love "GOING HOME " with his useless philosophical whims lol

[Xmagterror]

More than whats in your Paypal account right now, but cheaper than a used Xmag body....



;)

Lmao....that's funny

Your paying for a ton of cnc time when you buy one of these. They will be a little cheaper than the Phoenix and Ripper/rail sets though

[Xmagterror]

Pre-order is up

Im a few days late on this but was busy finishing the carbon fiber bodies and working on the GF's car.

[keiko_819]

posting here to not clog up the preorder thread, how will the forgrips be mounted? will it be specific to certain styles and will am/mm length make this a problem?

[Xmagterror]

its mounts like a shockwave foregrip. I can post pics soon. I can chop the bodies to make AM length but i dont think i can mount a foregrip like that.

[keiko_819]

Never seen how a shockwave mounts, pics would be good. Thanks

[FlawleZ]

This looks pretty sharp! Any pictures with an assembled mag?

[renie]

I've put up a couple of renders on the pre order page

[Dark Side]

Love the body but I'm not going to buy something else just to be able to use the fore grip I want with it.

[Xmagterror]

Love the body but I'm not going to buy something else just to be able to use the fore grip I want with it.

what fore grip do you want to use? what extra do you need to buy to do this??????????

[Dark Side]

what fore grip do you want to use? what extra do you need to buy to do this??????????

My Cerberus PnueMag grip that was built to be used with RT rails.