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AllAmericanMag
03-01-2002, 06:56 PM
Approx. how many shots can you get out of a 20oz. Co2 tank without the bolt kit? Thanks!
MAGS own YOU
03-01-2002, 07:05 PM
I would refrain from using c02 on a Matrix. I think they prefer n2, correct me if im wrong..
AllAmericanMag
03-01-2002, 07:07 PM
I'm fairly positive they can use Co2 just like the Impulse/Shocker.
PigSweat
03-01-2002, 07:08 PM
While a Matrix does operate better with CA, they can be run on CO2 with minimal difficulty. Provided you are running a remote/anti-siphon. On top of that, you will want an on/off valve for your CO2, so that when you set the gun down you will not draw liquid.

As for the number of shots, count on 1000+.
AllAmericanMag
03-01-2002, 07:11 PM
Really? But I thought E-Matrixs were supposed to be horribly un-efficient?
FeelTheRT
03-01-2002, 07:23 PM
Many guns can use CO2 such as Shocker, Impulse, Autocockers, Tippmann Model 98 and some others but that dosn't dosn't make CO2 a cleaner gas.. seriously, it's a dirty gas. It's carbondioxide. Make you gun happy, use air.

The efficiancy is concidered very bad but you can purchase a bolt mod where it will make you Matrix much more efficant ie 1500 shots with an 88ci/4500. But if you do'nt feel like speneind $150, you can just buy a larger tank like an 88/3k where you'll be getting around 800-900 shots with.
mountaindud
03-01-2002, 08:06 PM
See this is what I'm talking about, now you want an E-Matrix. Why don't you just get an IR3 Angel with a Shocker, E-Matrix and a cocker duct-taped to it.
AllAmericanMag
03-01-2002, 08:47 PM
Shut up Mike, I'm trying to get all the facts so I can make an informed purchase :D
Bob Mundon
03-02-2002, 01:28 AM
i read on warpig that YOU DO NOT use co2 on the matrix, of course i could be wrong but i wouldnt want to even chance screwing up a gun like that.

and yes its very innefficient, again i got that from warpig
RSUAVE911
03-02-2002, 07:12 AM
I am positive you can use CO2 on a matrix...But like all guns CO2 destroys it. So use nitro, if you are gonna spend 650 on a gun spring another 200 for a tank.
DryIce
03-02-2002, 09:08 AM
ok
i will answer this one since i have a matrix.
Yes you can use Co2 on a matrix
and Yes you will get more shots than off of a 68/3000.
The matrix IS horribly inefficient when you get it stock, but if you get the bolt kit from aardvark you get a lot more shots per tank (they claim 33% more).
The MAIN reason you dont want to use co2 on your matrix is because of how dirty it is. This could inturn damage your solenoid... which would be a bad thing. If running co2 I would either run it remote or anti syphon.
Also some sort of a filter can be used
hope this helps
billmi
03-04-2002, 04:34 PM
If you're going to quote WARPIG, you might want to read the WARPIG review of the Matrix. Owing to the fact that it runs at such a low operating pressure it works fine on CO2.

See you on the field,
-Bill Mills
DryIce
03-04-2002, 05:42 PM
just make sure to run it remote
or get one of those big co2 fiberwrapped bottles smart parts makes
im pretty sure they are anti-siphon