Next Possible Project - Need Some Wise Advice

[jbtamu1011]

All,

After spending time on my two Mags that I am keeping forever (hopefully), I've decided I'm going to try to sell off my two impulse buys (bad impulse buys), Etek 2 and PEV's Ego 07. Also trying to sell my minimag that has the purple splash pieces and then any random parts I've accumulated that I don't need.

After that, I plan on getting one more marker in my arsenal/collection to make 3 and that'll be it for a good long while. That's where I am having trouble deciding what to start looking for and saving up for. This is where you come in to help lead me to what I may get or build.

I've created a poll of the possible choices I've considered. Please vote in the poll. I listed below some of my reasons why I picked that one as a poll consideration. NOT looking for pump or magfed types as of now.

1. Electric Mag of Some Sort

I already have two mechanical mags with Xvalves so I'll already have orings and parts to maintain and those types of parts are still available. Downside is the electronic versions are hard to come by and use batteries that are hard to come by.

2. Mech Autococker

This is the second type of marker I've always admired after my first love the Automag. No, I didn't say that because I'm on here. That has always been the order of favorites. :cool: Anyways, Autocockers seem to still have a great presence out there in the world and have parts galore. Now, these seem far more difficult to know what model and year because there are a ton of different styles and builders and some are compatible with parts from others styles or years. I do like to tinker and build stuff so that is why Autocockers appeal to me. I know about the tuning and timing of them which doesn't intimidate me. I like to tinker. I tinker and play with nitro RC cars and there is alot of tinkering, tuning and timing on those everytime you go out and use it due to weather and/or fuel.

3. Electric Autococker

Same reasons as mech cocker but would have the E frame and different pneumatics. Not too knowledgeable about this platform and if I should steer clear of this.

4. Used Mid-tier Electric Marker

Used mid-tier and priced electric. Some ideas I've had on this that I like are in no particular order are: Dye DSR; GI Sports Stealth; PE GEO 3.5; PE Gtek 160R; Bob Long Onslaught; Bob Long G6R; SP Shocker RXS or XLS.

5. Other

Plead your case for any other options that I should consider.

6. Wait for 2020 new mid-tiers

Wait for any new 2020 mid-tiers to come out.

[trbo323]

#2 is my vote

Variety is the spice of life and your already got mags going on so I say do something different but still interesting

You can always convert it to a e cocker down the road if you want

Coincidentally, I have a centerflag hyper frame for a mag if you are interested. It could bolt straight up to one of your other mags with just a front frame screw and rear field strip screw, that way you could still do a mech mag and e mag on the same marker but it wouldn't take up as much room in your bag as a whole different marker

Shoot me a pm if you want to talk about it

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[luke]

Pneumag.
Hold your breath, new stuff in the works.

[jbtamu1011]

Great suggestions guys! Keep them coming and do the poll!

[trbo323]

Great suggestions guys! Keep them coming and do the poll!Hmm, maybe Tapatalk doesn't display polls, looks like a normal thread to me

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[mh53eplt]

Have to agree with Luke. #1 Pnuemag is the way to go. Buy rail & lowers from luke & body from XMT.
or if not pnuemag fan #2 Emag. When it's wet out side & other players electronic markers fitz & die, turn electro off & shoot in manual mode.

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[jbtamu1011]

Have to agree with Luke. #1 Pnuemag is the way to go. Buy rail & lowers from luke & body from XMT.
or if not pnuemag fan #2 Emag. When it's wet out side & other players electronic markers fitz & die, turn electro off & shoot in manual mode.

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I do have a mag that has a Nummech frame on it so I would have a way to have a pneumag later on. I am waiting on my body from XMT to put on that mag as we speak. My other mag is a MicroMag.

[knownothingmags]

if you do a pneumag i have kits and slim style lpr forgrips.
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?272459-Pneumag-Kits-amp-extra-Parts
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?276148-Troll-LPR-Forgrip

[jbtamu1011]

if you do a pneumag i have kits and slim style lpr forgrips.
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?272459-Pneumag-Kits-amp-extra-Parts
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?276148-Troll-LPR-Forgrip

Thanks will keep this in mind,, knownothingmags!!

[luke]

I do have a mag that has a Nummech frame on it so I would have a way to have a pneumag later on.

When did Nummech release his pneumatics for that frame?

[jbtamu1011]

When did Nummech release his pneumatics for that frame?

Haven't seen it yet. I am looking on his site now. Nothing I can see, but I do have the frame if/when that comes about.

[jbtamu1011]

When did Nummech release his pneumatics for that frame?


Haven't seen it yet. I am looking on his site now. Nothing I can see, but I do have the frame if/when that comes about.

Or if Nummech doesn't come out with his pneumatics, I do have your MP90 grip frame. :-)

[luke]

I do have your MP90 grip frame.

That's a easy 5 minute upgrade

[mh53eplt]

Bingo!! Give that man a prize. Only downside is you'll double your paint bill.

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[luke]

Bingo!! Give that man a prize. Only downside is you'll double your paint bill.

Just double? :D

[Walking Stick]

Why not have 3 non-electro trigger 'Mags? That way when you pique others' interests you can show the differences in how they can be setup.

- keep one a Level 10 X (with optional ULT on/off)
- pneu the other X build
- have a classic Level 7 ss valve (it'd be good backup if you play a field or mech tourney that don't understand 'Mags and just arbitrarily ban RT/X and PneuMags)

[jbtamu1011]

Why not have 3 non-electro trigger 'Mags? That way when you pique others' interests you can show the differences in how they can be setup.

- keep one a Level 10 X (with optional ULT on/off)
- pneu the other X build
- have a classic Level 7 ss valve (it'd be good backup if you play a field or mech tourney that don't understand 'Mags and just arbitrarily ban RT/X and PneuMags)

So, I would have 3 of those if I don't sell my Minimag with the splash parts.


Minimag with SS valve and lvl10
Micromag with Level X
ULE with Tunavalve and Nummech or MP90 frame (waiting on XMT cf body)


I could pneu the ULE easily. Has anyone attempted a ULT on/off on a micromag before?

[jbtamu1011]

Man, this is a tough choice. The poll here and the same one on MCB has mech cocker as the leader. Then it's close between mid-tier and other which I'm liking the pneumag option.

[mobsterboy]

You'll just end up building more mags. Electro... Mech... Pneumags... ElectroPneumags...

Search your feelings, You know it to be true... :ninja:

[jbtamu1011]

You'll just end up building more mags. Electro... Mech... Pneumags... ElectroPneumags...

Search your feelings, You know it to be true... :ninja:

haha yeah this might be the case after all said and done.

[Taco303]

So, I would have 3 of those if I don't sell my Minimag with the splash parts.


Minimag with SS valve and lvl10
Micromag with Level X
ULE with Tunavalve and Nummech or MP90 frame (waiting on XMT cf body)


I could pneu the ULE easily. Has anyone attempted a ULT on/off on a micromag before?


I’ve got a 2k9 running a ULT.

[jbtamu1011]

I’ve got a 2k9 running a ULT.

How do you like it? Any chance you can send or post a video?

[jbtamu1011]

So, I think I've narrowed down my options to two: Pneumag or Used electro. The autococker might just have to wait until 2020. Might be a fitting name to go along with that build. Anyways, so I've submitted an online trade-in form to TradeMyGun with some markers. Depending on what type of value they come back with, these are the potential markers I have my eyes on: Dye M3s; Dye DSR; PE 160R; PE 170R; Shocker XLS. They have some DLX Luxe's and Empire stuff, but I figured the ones I just listed were better. How much would one say would be a good deal if I have found a Black Magic Autococker that has an E-frame?

I think for sure I want to make one of my Mags a Pneumag. That would be one of the cheaper projects comparing to an Autococker. I'm thinking maybe turn my Micromag into a pneumag. Question, is it a pain to get a micromag anno'd?

[Walking Stick]

ULT is just an on/off and will work with any X valve - the body and frame aren't a factor. It can be a Royal PITA to properly tune though. The body in *some* Micromags may have issues with the slight bulge at the L10 bolt's tip and can be fixed by sanding that bulge down to be flush like a L7 bolt.

Nothing to say about electro markers - it'd be like trying to talk to me about your commuter Prius while at the track. However, something I can address, is indeed Micromags can be difficult due to the clip and washer/cup setup. Stephen @ Caustic and Mario @ FX have done Micros before and probably Rob @ Blizzard. I'd talk and put my trust in them.

[imped4now]

I'm, admittedly, not much of a mag guy...

But I can help you on the electro front. All of those are good options. What characteristics do you value most in a marker?

[jbtamu1011]

I'm, admittedly, not much of a mag guy...

But I can help you on the electro front. All of those are good options. What characteristics do you value most in a marker?

Mainly reliability, ergonomics and sleekness (I'm a bigger guy with long arms and big hands). ease of use of the electronic features (on electros). how ease to fix or customize.

[imped4now]

Mainly reliability, ergonomics and sleekness (I'm a bigger guy with long arms and big hands). ease of use of the electronic features (on electros). how ease to fix or customize.

Out of your choices, the 170R is the easiest to disassemble and arguably the most reliable. The mechanical frame will be released as a kit shortly, as well. Due to the frame housing the electronics and pneumatics (including the solenoid in the electronic frame), swapping between electronic and mechanical is as easy as dropping the frame (two screws) and swapping the grips (4 screws) and ASA/reg (2 screws). It's an *awesome* marker all around. My mechanical 170R has taken my top spot of my mechs...it's literally the perfect mech. The 160R is the same marker internally but isn't packaged quite as friendly, but it's a great option for the money. Obviously, it doesn't have a mechanical option.

The DSR would be almost as simple to disassemble as the 170, but it just misses the mark due to the grips being a PITA to remove, and the fact that they must be removed in order to access the HPR, which is in the same location as the 170's. The DSR is also less comfortable, with sharper trigger guard edges and less room between the frame and foregrip. With that said, it's an awesome marker and shoots as smoothly and quietly as anything out there. The bolt system is essentially a simplified Gamma Core and it's quite efficient and reliable. I wouldn't recommend it over the 170R, though.

The M3 is my favorite Dye marker ever. The bolt system is very neat, like a modernized version of MacDev's balanced systems (used from the Droid to the Clone GTI) with a dynamic valve to shut off the chamber. The shot quality is very unique (very smooth but crisp) and efficiency and reliability are both very high. Like the DSR, it has wireless connections between the frame and body. I much prefer the trigger and ergonomics over the DSR's, as well. Just make sure that if you go this route, it either comes with the + parts (solenoid housing, gen 4 eye pipe, soft tip bolt) or you buy them yourself. They make a very real difference in how the marker performs and handles paint. This is one of my favorite electronic markers to use right now.

I own an M3S with the + parts, DSR, and 170R with both frames. I don't own an XLS, but they're solid markers. From working on them, they're not as easy to disassemble (not wireless) and I'm not crazy about the air routing plug they use. I would put them 1 tier below the other options, but they're solid if you can get one for a nice price.

I will toss two more options into the mix - a Clone 5S or Clone Infinity, and a Prime. I tend to shoot these more than any other electronic spools I own.

[going_home]

LV1 if you can find one.

Or a CS2.

;)

[jbtamu1011]

LV1 if you can find one.

Or a CS2.

;)

Are CS1's a little too dated now? Which LV1's?

[imped4now]

Are CS1's a little too dated now? Which LV1's?

CS1's are definitely not "dated" by any standard. My personal favorite PE spool is the CS1 (CSR version, to be specific), and I've got plenty of field time with a CS2. I still prefer the CS1.

In terms of the LV1, they're all essentially the same. The LV1.5 is my personal favorite of the bunch and I also own one.

[Xyxyll]

All new (2009+) spool electros feel the same to me. Sure, there are slight differences, but they're all pretty much the same. That's not a bad thing. They're nearly perfect.

For that reason, my current approach to my collection is one or two different newer spools and the rest old school. Old school markers are so much more customizable and tinker-ready.

Mech cocker is my vote, but there's nothing wrong with building a substantial mag collection either. :shooting:

[jbtamu1011]

All new (2009+) spool electros feel the same to me. Sure, there are slight differences, but they're all pretty much the same. That's not a bad thing. They're nearly perfect.

For that reason, my current approach to my collection is one or two different newer spools and the rest old school. Old school markers are so much more customizable and tinker-ready.

Mech cocker is my vote, but there's nothing wrong with building a substantial mag collection either. :shooting:

Xyxyll, are there any other services or brands like Inception Design that sales parts for you to build a kit yourself? I like how they layout what you need to buy. Anyone else can chime in to this question if you know.

[Xyxyll]

Xyxyll, are there any other services or brands like Inception Design that sales parts for you to build a kit yourself? I like how they layout what you need to buy. Anyone else can chime in to this question if you know.

The world is your oyster. That's one of the best parts about autococker builds. Much like automags, they're very modular and you can build them from scratch. Others can chime in about various new body kits, but you can also look through used ones. There are usually a bunch for sale on eBay and the facebook Autococker groups.

[luke]

I have an inexpensive WGP Autococker if you want to start there..

[Gundam V]

You also have paintballgateway.com as an option for cheap autococker bodies too. I bought a prostock 04 body from there for $60. Came with body, back block, angle v-asa, and hinge trigger.

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[jbtamu1011]

You also have paintballgateway.com as an option for cheap autococker bodies too. I bought a prostock 04 body from there for $60. Came with body, back block, angle v-asa, and hinge trigger.

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wow that's a good deal. I'll definitely check there.

[Nobody]

I would look to what you are lacking, i.e. the type of gun for specific rolls at your field. Mech for walkons, electro/speed for high level games, pump, etc. There is no one answer for what you need. Only you know the answer. I personally don't recycle guns, so i have paintball guns for all seasons, all occasions. And the availability of what you want is not hard, given time and a little money. So if there is a dream gun you always wanted, you can get it. So if there is something you want to try, or fill a niche, go for it. My wants and needs won't match up with yours.

[jbtamu1011]

I would look to what you are lacking, i.e. the type of gun for specific rolls at your field. Mech for walkons, electro/speed for high level games, pump, etc. There is no one answer for what you need. Only you know the answer. I personally don't recycle guns, so i have paintball guns for all seasons, all occasions. And the availability of what you want is not hard, given time and a little money. So if there is a dream gun you always wanted, you can get it. So if there is something you want to try, or fill a niche, go for it. My wants and needs won't match up with yours.

That makes sense, Nobody. Right now, I think I'm just in a tinkering mood. I was searching the interwebs and bought a autococker body kit. This will be a long project because I can't drop all the money on all the parts at once. So.......yep I decided on a mech autococker build.

[Nobody]

That makes sense, Nobody. Right now, I think I'm just in a tinkering mood. I was searching the interwebs and bought a autococker body kit. This will be a long project because I can't drop all the money on all the parts at once. So.......yep I decided on a mech autococker build.

In that case, i would suggest a Ressurection build. You have an easier lower tube(no need for a valve tool), all improvements over a cocker build, locking feednecks, and various body improvements that make cocker life better. Now, if you want to scratch build the gun and for example, always wanted a Freeflow Lotus body. Well, start saving your money. With the 2nd coming of cockers, specific PL bodies/guns have gotten to stupid prices. The want doesn't always match the will or bank account.

Now, ressurrections, other than Inception Designs bodies, i don't know many PL or different bodies available. But getting a base Empire gun and putting on a few parts that will improve it for you is a cheaper and easier way. If you want to build a cocker, it is not for the feint of heart. And building the gun, you have a whole host of options, theories and biases towards and requires a separate post.

[jbtamu1011]

In that case, i would suggest a Ressurection build. You have an easier lower tube(no need for a valve tool), all improvements over a cocker build, locking feednecks, and various body improvements that make cocker life better. Now, if you want to scratch build the gun and for example, always wanted a Freeflow Lotus body. Well, start saving your money. With the 2nd coming of cockers, specific PL bodies/guns have gotten to stupid prices. The want doesn't always match the will or bank account.

Now, ressurrections, other than Inception Designs bodies, i don't know many PL or different bodies available. But getting a base Empire gun and putting on a few parts that will improve it for you is a cheaper and easier way. If you want to build a cocker, it is not for the feint of heart. And building the gun, you have a whole host of options, theories and biases towards and requires a separate post.

Well, I ended up buying an Inception Design body kit last night. Its a mini autococker kit. Loved this design over the others I searched amd looked at. It will be a slow build process. I can't drop alot of money all at once, even if i went the Resurrection route.

https://i.imgur.com/Kz1mIzL.jpg?3

I'll be logging my build in a post. First one I've done like this keeping a log of it. Should be fun.

[Nobody]

Well, I ended up buying an Inception Design body kit last night. Its a mini autococker kit. Loved this design over the others I searched amd looked at. It will be a slow build process. I can't drop alot of money all at once, even if i went the Resurrection route.

https://i.imgur.com/Kz1mIzL.jpg?3

I'll be logging my build in a post. First one I've done like this keeping a log of it. Should be fun.

Excellent choice.

You have breeched tbe first step in addiction, buying something you always wanted on a whim.

Ok, i am unsure whether or not you need a valve tool, but if the valve is 9/16ths, you won't. The 7/16ths valves you do. So look at which valve and then start looking.

Caveat - i am a believer, a supporter of Inception Designs(ID), so going with any of their parts is a solid first choice.

Since you are building the gun, you have time to decide on what you want to put on it. So choices of slider(my choice) or swing, 45 or 86 frame; i would highly suggest that you at least hold a complete gun with each frame, if not shoot them. This is a tallnorder as not everyone has access. Also, sliders and swing triggers have a totally different feel. I personally can not shoot swing frames fast, but have not tried the new ID swing frames yet.

Many people will have opinions on whether or not you should go classic pneumatics or new. I will go new, more to the fact that when old units die, you generally have to pay a premium to get that exact replacement. So a new build, i would go with the ID frontblock. Not only are they well built, but user serviceable.

But the one thing that ID does is, you can get everything you need; the one stop shop. So the eye covers, the screws, the hoses, everything you need.

So, tell us where your thoughts on it, after getting the body kit.

[Gundam V]

Excellent choice.

You have breeched tbe first step in addiction, buying something you always wanted on a whim.

Ok, i am unsure whether or not you need a valve tool, but if the valve is 9/16ths, you won't. The 7/16ths valves you do. So look at which valve and then start looking.

Caveat - i am a believer, a supporter of Inception Designs(ID), so going with any of their parts is a solid first choice.

Since you are building the gun, you have time to decide on what you want to put on it. So choices of slider(my choice) or swing, 45 or 86 frame; i would highly suggest that you at least hold a complete gun with each frame, if not shoot them. This is a tallnorder as not everyone has access. Also, sliders and swing triggers have a totally different feel. I personally can not shoot swing frames fast, but have not tried the new ID swing frames yet.

Many people will have opinions on whether or not you should go classic pneumatics or new. I will go new, more to the fact that when old units die, you generally have to pay a premium to get that exact replacement. So a new build, i would go with the ID frontblock. Not only are they well built, but user serviceable.

But the one thing that ID does is, you can get everything you need; the one stop shop. So the eye covers, the screws, the hoses, everything you need.

So, tell us where your thoughts on it, after getting the body kit.9/16 and 7/16? I thought it was 9/16 for older cockers (2k style bodies and prior) and 11/16 for the newer bodies.

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[jbtamu1011]

9/16 and 7/16? I thought it was 9/16 for older cockers (2k style bodies and prior) and 11/16 for the newer bodies.

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From someone posting on another thread of mine, it's 11/16 IIRC.

[Nobody]

Sorry, i got that wrong. Was thinking of something different. 9/16th & 11/16th valves :)

[stircrazzzy]

Nice choice! I just built an inception cocker myself. In fact I’ve assembled the entire thing and was waiting on a 3-way actuator rod, which arrived just in time for me to go on a business trip...so it’s the one missing link lol.

I’m also a tinkerer. I go back and forth between cockers and mags to this day. It really just depends on my flavor of the week, I suppose.

[imped4now]

Great choice. There's nothing quite like building a cocker in order to scratch the tinkerer's itch.

[jbtamu1011]

Nice choice! I just built an inception cocker myself. In fact I’ve assembled the entire thing and was waiting on a 3-way actuator rod, which arrived just in time for me to go on a business trip...so it’s the one missing link lol.

I’m also a tinkerer. I go back and forth between cockers and mags to this day. It really just depends on my flavor of the week, I suppose.


Great choice. There's nothing quite like building a cocker in order to scratch the tinkerer's itch.

Awesome, you two!! We'll have to trade build notes once I start planning my build!

[jbtamu1011]

Alright yall,

Here's a little update. I sent the parts off to Blizzard to anodize my autococker. Here's the link to my build thread on MCB.

https://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/dead-zone/324247-how-texas-twstr-born.html

[jbtamu1011]

I wanted to update everyone here on the build. I just chatted with Rob at Blizzard Paintball. My Texas TWSTR is done!! Should be shipped out Monday. Here is the result from Rob's great work.

Here is the picture I sent him for my inspiration.
https://i.imgur.com/LZlQJ8B.jpg?1

Here is Rob's great craftsmanship!!
https://i.imgur.com/HuW2Ap1.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/AlmGiLb.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/hDmZQSY.jpg?2
https://i.imgur.com/pLhmYjW.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/utrBjZY.jpg?2
https://i.imgur.com/AslGDqo.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/SOAoiBJ.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/5fnfZ7g.jpg?2
https://i.imgur.com/TlSP9qM.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/YLKdHSB.jpg?1

[Bunny]

Looking great!! He did a fantastic job on it. Can't wait to see the finished product. :headbang:

[Sandman]

That is awesome what he did from that picture. I would like mag done like that!

[Nobody]

Just s3nd here with all the parts. I will put it together & tune it for you :D

[Taco303]

Mech mag, Emag, pneumag, and a G6R just for ****s and grins

[jbtamu1011]

Mech mag, Emag, pneumag, and a G6R just for ****s and grins

I have a couple mech mags, 2 Emags, and going to eventually work on putting together a pneumag. No G6R, but I do have a Shocker RSX that had been updated with the XLS software.

Project I'm working on at the moment will be the autococker that I'm waiting to get shipped back since anno is done.

[jbtamu1011]

Alright, alright, alright. Be on the lookout.....I'm going to put this dude up for sale. I had my fun and really want
someone to play and appreciate this one of a kind marker. I will be selling it as it sits in the last picture. I haven't tested it or tuned it. Haven't had time. Plus, my other collection is more important to me and I have taken up R/C crawling hobby again.

Appraisals are appreciated.

https://i.imgur.com/iu4OlX7l.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/creEYBBl.jpg