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Nobody

09-27-2022, 05:34 AM

How about we stir it up with a hypothetical.
Let's postulate that the 97 Independents vs 4 Democrats vs 4 Republicans is a trend that extends beyond my little area and continues to grow.
Extrapolate that through a few election cycles and you could see the Democrats implode worse than Enron, while the Republicans fade away like Hare Krishna and saffron robes. What does that leave us? A House and Senate comprised of independents, each with their own agenda?
Is a two-party system worse than a 100-party system?

Pure conjecture. The odds of that are low compared to other Global issues that may be more immediate.

The cream will always rise to the top. So if there are legitimate political parties that do separate themselves from the established 2, then it is all for the better. Look at the elections of the first 100 years of this country; there were plenty of 3 party elections, and though some like JQ Adam's and Jackson in 1822(?, going off the top of my head) were messy, the constitution did provide a solution to the situation, much to the chagrin of the participants(, lol, sounds like 2020).

But the only thing that the Democrats and Republicans can and do agree upon is that keeping only 2 major parties ensures their viability. Look at your own lives, where do you make a decision that is only from 2 choices? And who is to say that you can only have 2 choices in anything?

It has long been postulated that a 3rd party only takes away from either or both parties in number of votes but that tells me that the 2 parties don't really represent the majority of the people. Candidates under the independent label is not new. You could say it is skirting the notion of the 2 party system, but where does it say in the constitution that you can only have 2 parties or even be affiliated with a political party? Independent candidates only hurt the various political parties and confuse those people who only judge people by the letter behind their name without actually hearing their message. That is where partisan politics fails. They have become way to big, to a point where they wish to be jack-of-all-trades but rarely even stick to 1 policy or a set of codified policies.

Now the biggest difficulty of being an independent is, of course the large coffers that the parties can draw on for national or at least statewide races. A local comptroller or freeholder, won't need that help, but a US senator or a preside trial run, does. If you haven't paid attention, it costs money, lots of money. Not even the looser who won in 2016 but lost in 2020 uses their own money. Yes he did say he did but what fool wouldn't use someone else's money to run? Which he did do. Look at his contributions lists. He'll, look at his own Super PAC. Any conman loves it when people freely(and sometimes not so freely) gives you money. So an independent candidate will not have much help nationally beyond their own fund raising.

But, from your own extrapolation, who is to say that a 100 individuals isn't what we have now? Why should party affliations be more important than personal goals? A congress person is there to be a representative of their state, not for a single party. They work with the other reps to not only get like laws made into laws and push like agendas on how they and how the people who elected them and forwarded. By the partisanship now, the congress could be an interchangeable set of flags and no one would really notice, and to a point, you only 3ver notice the bad ones on either side of the divide, regardless of party.

So I see your query as not a dark abyss leading to ruin but entering a new dawn, one that is more akin to those that stood in the first congress than what we are dealing with today. A democracy or a representative democracy is still made up of the people, no where does it say that you have to have a party affiliation to participate.

maniacmechanic

09-27-2022, 10:25 AM

Pyrate Jim

09-27-2022, 12:40 PM

The cream will always rise to the top.
Really? If you think the top of our administration is the cream of society, then I think you're milking a bull.

Nobody

09-27-2022, 06:04 PM

Really? If you think the top of our administration is the cream of society, then I think you're milking a bull.

Think about this. In a primary, or even better yet, the presidency, what is the determining factor? Is it policy, experience, or even vision for the job, or is it literally the amount of money that they can pour into their campaign to win their race for their party? How does having money mean you are better than everyone else? It is moreso the ability to outspend or outraise an opponent than it is to be better apt for the job.

Now for this admin, no. No matter what I say, your opinion does not look kindly upon them, just as I will say that the last admin should all be put into jail. I prefer to discuss this abstractly, as this is much better than the normal shouting matches of "my party is better".

But there is a crucible of sorts that does happen to where a person is placed in a position to be noticed, and they have the opportunity to raise up like cream to do the best they can. You can say there is or are always hindrances of opposition to that job but they are in position to do it, for better or for worse, because you and I didn't even rate a chance at that position.

going_home

09-27-2022, 07:17 PM

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Loguzzzzzz

09-28-2022, 11:52 AM

Think about this. In a primary, or even better yet, the presidency, what is the determining factor? Is it policy, experience, or even vision for the job, or is it literally the amount of money that they can pour into their campaign to win their race for their party? How does having money mean you are better than everyone else? It is moreso the ability to outspend or outraise an opponent than it is to be better apt for the job.

Now for this admin, no. No matter what I say, your opinion does not look kindly upon them, just as I will say that the last admin should all be put into jail. I prefer to discuss this abstractly, as this is much better than the normal shouting matches of "my party is better".

But there is a crucible of sorts that does happen to where a person is placed in a position to be noticed, and they have the opportunity to raise up like cream to do the best they can. You can say there is or are always hindrances of opposition to that job but they are in position to do it, for better or for worse, because you and I didn't even rate a chance at that position.

So much hypocrisy I don't even know where to start...:rolleyes:

:tard:

Pyrate Jim

09-28-2022, 03:00 PM

Think about this. In a primary, or even better yet, the presidency, what is the determining factor?
I take it you don't know the Peter Principle.
But I'm told 81 million people voted for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ix8ypSk0I

Nobody

09-28-2022, 04:16 PM

So much hypocrisy I don't even know where to start...:rolleyes:

:tard:

Well, you could try with the 1st sentence and work your way there, cause I really want to see where I was being a hypocrite.

maniacmechanic

09-28-2022, 04:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4ix8ypsk0i[/url]

lmao

Nobody

09-28-2022, 04:23 PM

I take it you don't know the Peter Principle.
But I'm told 81 million people voted for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ix8ypSk0I

This guy who makes bad fake vids? Why not find the CNN or even better yet, find me the foxnews broadcast of the speech and i will believe it.

But what gets me is, the right needs to make up fake stuff and to doctor things in order rto make Biden look bad. If he was as horrible as you make him out to be, then why the need to doctor vids and speeches. Shouldn't his own ineptitude stand on its own? I mean, you never had to edit trump for saying something stupid, inane, stupid, inflammatory and down right wrong. But too bad Biden didn't have trump's sharpie, he could have diverted the hurricane away for Florida.

going_home

09-28-2022, 07:33 PM

I take it you don't know the Peter Principle.
But I'm told 81 million people voted for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ix8ypSk0I

Joe Bob the diaper king does it again !

Pyrate Jim

09-28-2022, 08:33 PM

:rolleyes:
I was trying to keep it abstract. (and got a laugh, which you never do)
But if you force me to it...

But what gets me is, the right needs to make up fake stuff and to doctor things in order rto make Biden look bad.
Sure. Hillary denied the 2016 election to the point of using Clinton Foundation donations to pay for a fictitious document, used by Schiff to obtain bogus FISA warrant to spy on a political opponent. These are the same people saying they were going to impeach Trump even before He was elected.
In the six years since, the left-wing has impeached Him twice and both times acquitted. Expending all their energy on "Orange Man Bad" while ignoring the real problems. And that persecution is still going on today, almost two years after He left the oval office.
And you, yourself, continue to perpetuate that persecution. Every political discussion here turns into some Zoroastrian dichotomy right around the time your TDS kicks in.
Get over it. Trump is not sitting in the oval office. Deal with reality for a change.

Shouldn't his own ineptitude stand on its own?
Oh, it does. Unless it's walking up stairs or riding a bike. :rofl:
(I can end on a joke, can you?)

Nobody

09-29-2022, 03:24 AM

:rolleyes:
I was trying to keep it abstract. (and got a laugh, which you never do)
But if you force me to it...

Oh I was enjoying this, till now. Talk in the abstract was fine for this. But funnily enough, other people like vintage agreed with me, in that it isn't as bad a problem as you make it out to me. Unless I am wrong, but that is how I read it.

Sure. Hillary denied the 2016 election to the point of using Clinton Foundation donations to pay for a fictitious document, used by Schiff to obtain bogus FISA warrant to spy on a political opponent.

And Gore denied Bush in 2000, I am sure Dole denied Clinton in 96, and I am pretty sure the GOP denied Obama in 2008 and 2012. But yet, even if the FISA warrant was bogus, it wouldn't have stood up to scrutiny on the appeal. Besides the point, that the FBI had other evidence of campaign tampering, which would have lead to the warrant anyway. But that all in the past.

These are the same people saying they were going to impeach Trump even before He was elected.

Again, every party says that about a most hated opponent, it was just this time that there was enough evidence to bring up charges, twice.

In the six years since, the left-wing has impeached Him twice and both times acquitted.

Acquittal doesn't mean innocence. As some have pointed out about Clinton's impeachment. But the 2nd was bipartisan and while many on the right had said privately and off the record, or was it in taped phone conversations, that if they had any backbone, they would have but party politics and all. Forget that he was actually guilty and all.

Expending all their energy on "Orange Man Bad" while ignoring the real problems.

Let's see, supporting of an invasion to a sovereign democratic nation? Check
Lower gas prices? Check
Stabilizing NATO? Check
Passing an infrastructure bill to provide clean drinking water, rebuilding the roads and bridges, etc and so forth? Check
Providing additional Healthcare for veterans with the Pact act? Check
Establishing new circut and semiconductor manufacturing? Check
Lowering unemployment rate to a 50 year low? Check
Prosecution of persons who used seditious acts? Ongoing
Shall I go on?

And that PROSECUTION is still going on today, almost two years after He left the oval office.

I fixed it for you. The thing is, when a person breaks the law, it doesn't matter who he is, what he does or how much money he has(or at least the idea of it, the prosecuting, though his money is also made up). So if the man is innocent, and to date he has not been found guilty of any crimes yet, he still broke the law. He did take government property. He did obstruct with the government's ability to recover those documents. Something that any normal person would already be in jail for and something that the ex-president actually raised the law on.

So while you might think that this is a presecution of, the law is moving on this and all of his team of lawyers are getting mopped the floor with. This might be the Petar he is hoisted on, but the other ongoing criminal and civil lawsuits that the ex-president is involved with tells this layman that he isn't innocent, just that nothing has stuck yet.

And you, yourself, continue to perpetuate that persecution. Every political discussion here turns into some Zoroastrian dichotomy right around the time your TDS kicks in.

How do I perpetuate this? I am posting every day all of the misgivings of him in court? I am ranting about how he was the worst preside t in history? No, I use him as an example of your own biases. You can not say anything nice about Biden, as much as I can not say anything nice about the Jabba Don trump. That is a fact. I was enjoying the abstract nature and only after other people, decided that my examples were too much to take are we here. If I had this syndrome, then wouldn't I then try to turn every example against him?

Get over it. Trump is not sitting in the oval office. Deal with reality for a change.

Get over what? I know he isn't in office, but tell that to many here that think the BS lies that the ex-president perpetuates, constantly has effected. Reality is plain as the nose on my face. I am not loving in the past. As much as I thought any of his impeachments would have at least barred him from office, it didn't happen. Oh well, I will certainly blame a multitude of spineless party members for folding under by some mean tweets. Yet the orange man is facing so many other charges, like obstruction, and election tampering(Georgia), and the civil litigation in NY to name a few. As much as I can hope that one day that slob will finally be caught red handed and pay some consequences, I play no part in that. I don't put heroes on pedestals, as they are only human.

Oh, it does. Unless it's walking up stairs or riding a bike. :rofl:
(I can end on a joke, can you?)

I know. Only if the law of gravity would be appealed. Wow, it's not like Trump never needed a hand walking down a ramp. Here an 80y/o was biking and fell down. News flash. Old man fell down and didn't have a Medoc alert bracelet. We are so glad he didn't break a hip...

Pyrate Jim

10-03-2022, 03:02 PM

Public Service Announcement ~
The phrase "Let's Go Brandon" is one year old today.

going_home

10-03-2022, 07:34 PM

Public Service Announcement ~
The phrase "Let's Go Brandon" is one year old today.

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Loguzzzzzz

10-04-2022, 11:54 AM

Tunaman

10-04-2022, 05:16 PM

Lets go Brandon!

Nobody

10-04-2022, 08:10 PM

By the way, gas went from just under $4 per gallon to well over $6 per gallon here in Commiefornia within the last 2 weeks.....
#LetsGoBrandon

Build back better is really KICKIN' A$$

You do realize that is is still a supply and demand situation? Of course not. It is so much better to <female dog> and complain than to realize how the world works. Yes come on keep on keeping on with this.

Pyrate Jim

10-04-2022, 08:16 PM

Uncle Sam is a commie,
Russi's red, white and blue.
So the President's lost a screw or two,
Ain't a thing We can do.

Time to settle back, enjoy it.
Problems ain't nothing new.
So the World's looking more and more askew,
What's it matter to you?

lyrics by Randy Neumann

Seemed comically appropriate.
With all the stuff going on, I'm still going to play paintball this weekend.

Loguzzzzzz

10-05-2022, 11:59 AM

You do realize that is is still a supply and demand situation? Of course not. It is so much better to <female dog> and complain than to realize how the world works. Yes come on keep on keeping on with this.
What I realize is that life has gotten progressively worse under this administration. You can deny all you want and fall back on whatever laws you THINK the "orange man bad" has broken. You can spin it however you want. You are just a fool following a fool. Go ahead and tell me that I am the one drinking the KOOL-AID. You are the KOOL-AID drinker here...what is the flavor of the week....grape, is it?

You say you are a free thinker yet you parrot all the same points of MSM. You hold yourself at a high regard. I would venture to guess that 98% of the people you have engaged on these political threads feel that are as dumb as a rock and would argue the color of the sky just to take an alternate view.

In my opinion you are a village idiot. Every village needs one, you are AO's.

#LetsGoBrandon

Pyrate Jim

10-05-2022, 05:44 PM

Those who torment us for their own good will torment us without end,
For they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C.S. Lewis

Nobody

10-06-2022, 02:39 AM

What I realize is that life has gotten progressively worse under this administration.

How so? Saying it is worse without giving examples is a poor opinion, one of which is hating the admin only because it isn't your part of your political party is well poor. It is even more contrary without reason.

You can deny all you want and fall back on whatever laws you THINK the "orange man bad" has broken.

See, this is where I just don't understand you personally and politically. He has a history of defrauding people(the trump charity, trump university, to name but 2). He has a history of not being caught at the things he has done to people(countless sexual assualts on women). And he has a history of breaking the laws. Now yes, if you don't get caught you can't say he is a "criminal"(I use the word criminal only in this context), but it is the same as a person who is guilty of committing a murder but never going to jail for it.

But my views of him are not singular, as he has pending lawsuits against him and not just for one thing. While you could say that it is because he is a polarizing figure but also, when you see the shear amount of destruction wrought by him and everything that he has said, well where there is smoke there is a fire. So do not confuse the fact that just because he has never been caught and paid the price he is innocent. And, by some of your own talk, (not necessarily you personally, but of others that share you political views), that you try to make out others to be the worse criminal, yet when people talk about your candidate or your party, how you seem to turn a blind eye to the facts.

For example, trump is not a republican. He shares nothing with what the party stood for. He literally saw an opening to be able to control a party and saw it. He was friends at one point with the Clinton's and was a donor to them in the 90s. He wasn't about conservative spending, as he doubled the deficit. He has no family values, as a 3x divorced person, who also paid women for sexual congress. He us not pious nor religious. Evidence by the 2019 pic of how he held the Bible at that photo op in DC that was cleared by tear gas.

You can spin it however you want.

Spin nothing. I call a spade a spade. Just because I don't deify the man, doesn't make it spin. And there are plenty of 1st hand accounts, and even actually recordings that show him for who he really is.

You are just a fool following a fool.

Why? While Biden has never been my 1st choice, he has done well with what he has had to rebuild. Got people working again. He wants to provide for those citizens that need a hand. He wants to position the US as a world leader. How is that the act of a fool. It's not like he is trying to schmooze with dictators or his he literally made a deal with China to secure trademarks for himself when he should have been acting for the good of the country, or how he tore up a trade deal only because his predecessor done it, to not only get a worse deal but ruin any chance of staying on tip. Otlr maybe how he used the art of the deal to help accelerate Iran's nuke program by decades by removing the sanctions that was throttling them. Yes I follow the fool.

Go ahead and tell me that I am the one drinking the KOOL-AID.

You are. You literally told someone to "take that back" when someone criticized trump over an opinion. If you cannot objectively talk criticism of your choice, then you see him do nothing wrong and everyone else is bad. Biden is old, and I really think that he is too old for the job.he has a crackhead for a son that he loves, unconditionally. He misspeaks constantly, staff has to walk back statements. He mishandled the exit out of Afghanistan. Those are truths, but you can't say anything about your guy. That is the difference. When you drink the kool-aid, you see nothing bad ever.

You are the KOOL-AID drinker here...what is the flavor of the week....grape, is it?

If I were, then wouldn't I be parroting exactly what you are saying? Wouldn't I be with the majority of people who are commenting on this, i.e. drinking the kool-aid. No, I am standing up for what I believe in and the party that mostly Apts my political views. So you can't be in the minority and be part of the majority. It is quite contrary to each other.

You say you are a free thinker yet you parrot all the same points of MSM.

Wow, this tired old line.
1) you don't watch TV, you certainly don't watch msnbc, so how would you know I am a parrot?
2) it is not wrong to parrot, as it were a news source(you can certainly argue where the right gets their news from, whether it is opinion or a reliable news source), as if you get that information, and then have it shape your opinion. That is the news' job, present information. Since I am neither the source nor the person gathering the information, I would only parrot what I get.
3) if you have ever noticed, I do not site articles provide many links nor do direct quotes much. Ever wonder why? It is because I read anything, think about what it says and in this case, relay that here as what I interpreted. While I try to separate opinion from fact, I do not parrot much.
4) not once, do many people ever directly challenge what I write or have written. So, you can say what you will, but how can you say that I only ever copy and not actually have an opinion about it?

You hold yourself at a high regard. I would venture to guess that 98% of the people you have engaged on these political threads feel that are as dumb as a rock and would argue the color of the sky just to take an alternate view.

Well, since the main feature of these inane, moronic and highly against the rules threads that always seem to bypass the mods who are neither unbiased and will engage in them, themselves are about 5 or 6 people who like to go around the same dance. And surprisingly, when we met face to face, I was neither talked down to nor put in my place for my political views. So, either you have a spine more than than those people or they are just keyboard warriors. And Tuna's moonshine still warms you up in the morning.

In my opinion you are a village idiot. Every village needs one, you are AO's.

That is not very nice. But the funny thing is, in ye olden times when a king had a fool, that fool used to be able to tell the king the truth, as the king would often, either by fear or cowering, have his councilors always tell him what he wants to hear, not the truth. So the king would turn to the fool for advice and often times heed more to the fool than the advisors.

#LetsGoBrandon

I used to get upset at this, not anymore. This really has no teeth, and to a point, never did. I see it like how Biden went down to Florida to see the destruction and to make sure that the necessary aid would be given to the people who need it. And I saw how the GOP all kept quiet and held their ever so sharp tongues while Biden made sure of the relief efforts happened. A lesser man would have admonished him in front of cameras(you can't really say that it didn't happen behind closed doors, unless a witness comes forth), Biden didn't. He saw the opportunity and rose above it.

Besides, the simple fact that Biden himself uses, moons it and the WH Twitter managers seem to have created the DarkBrandon memes, makes it even more hilarious.

going_home

10-06-2022, 06:34 AM

Biden creeps on Nikki Fried in Florida:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/biden-creeps.jpg

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/grinning-joe-biden-creeps-female-fema-official-governor-desantis-speaking

pillage

10-06-2022, 08:18 AM

The cream does not rise to the top, turds maybe, as most politicians are floaters.

Loguzzzzzz

10-06-2022, 04:58 PM

. . . . :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

Nobody

10-07-2022, 03:27 AM

:sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:

Well, I do have to admit I am long winded, but the point is that not only is it nuanced, but can't be summed up in 140 truth characters.

So the issues in the world are not because a Dem is in the white house, that the justice system is going after a crook and that you are old, out of touch and have too much boomer blood that can't keep up in the fast pace 21st century world. Cause if you stop and look, you will see that your party of choice is responsible for far more of the problems, since they never can come up with any solutions.

Nobody

10-07-2022, 03:28 AM

The cream does not rise to the top, turds maybe, as most politicians are floaters.

Well, I never said they were the utmost best, I sjust said that the cream rises to the top. Whether or not it has curdled is always up for debate...

Pyrate Jim

10-07-2022, 08:25 PM

Whether or not it has curdled is always up for debate...
I ask myself the same thing every time you post.

So the issues in the world are not because a Dem is in the white house, that the justice system is going after a crook and that you are old, out of touch and have too much boomer blood that can't keep up in the fast pace 21st century world. Cause if you stop and look, you will see that your party of choice is responsible for far more of the problems, since they never can come up with any solutions.

I guess I'm just not progressive enough for places like S.F. or Portland or Seattle with homeless living in the street, doing drugs or defecating on the sidewalk.
And it's not that it's a Dem in the white house ~ it's a politically weak, senile old man in the white house.
But let's look at a few examples of solutions compared between parties. (I'll focus on Trump & Biden, since that's all you seem to be interested in rather than historical facts of the Nation as a whole.)
Let's start local.
Southern Border:
Trump ~ "Build a wall" & "Remain in Mexico" and crossings dropped to the lowest in decades.
Biden ~ "No more walls!" and 2 million so far this year.

Energy/Gas price:
Trump ~ Energy exporter worldwide and economically independent of outside sources.
Biden ~ "No more fossil fuel!" and reduced the supply on his first day in office. And now draining the Federal Reserve for the second time.

Middle East:
Trump ~ Abraham accords, U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem.
Biden ~ Botched withdrawal in Afghanistan, groveling for more oil out of Saudia only having OPEC+ reduce production by the same amount the US uses. Iran now threatening to take action on American soil.

Ukraine:
That needs a separate post.

North Korea:
Trump ~ Walks into the Country, shakes hands with Kim Jong Un. N.K. missile launches reduced, no new tests of underground nukes.
Biden ~ N.K. launches more missiles in one month than in three years under the previous admin (including an ICBM over Japan). Starts threatening to throw nukes pretty much everywhere.

However, it's not my job to cure your insanity or abate your personal delusions. You are welcome to them and please continue the comedic routine.
(See? I can play troll as well. :cheers:)

Back to the original post, I have 97 independent candidates up for numerous positions. I've gone through about half looking online for their views and opinions.
And, what? 32 days to decide?
Just over a month and We should know which way the House and Senate will swing.
Who wants odds?

Nobody

10-07-2022, 10:52 PM

Oh goody. This is the kind of post I do so enjoy.

I ask myself the same thing every time you post.

That is only because what you think is sane makes me sound insane and vice versa. A more open minded person would try to look at it from the other perspective to better judge, but what do I know? :sarcasm:

II guess I'm just not progressive enough for places like S.F. or Portland or Seattle with homeless living in the street, doing drugs or defecating on the sidewalk.

Ummm, people do drugs every where. Hillbilly heroine, some white lightning, or the 21st century addiction when you just get them from a doctor. To say that only cities have this problem is exactly why it can never be fixed. People like yourself who only think it is always over there's problem. And if you would stop to think that, maybe instead of just pointing at those homeless you try to help them. You know, do the Christian thing of helping thy brother?

IAnd it's not that it's a Dem in the white house ~ it's a politically weak, senile old man in the white house.

Politically weak? Senile? Ok. You are entitled to your opinion, but you seem to be parroting Sean Hannity. Careful, I might ask you why.

But seriously, every time people think that he has lost a step, or is a bit too old, he is pleasantly surprising people.

IBut let's look at a few examples of solutions compared between parties. (I'll focus on Trump & Biden, since that's all you seem to be interested in rather than historical facts of the Nation as a whole.)

I'll posit that it is a difficult to NOT talk about the leaders of the party. If you wish to talk about the history, that is one thing, but when y9u are talking about current events, you are either going to describe what the leader is doing for the party or what the leader is going to do. You can not separate the 2. Regardless, when talking about trump, it is the hostirical past as he is not the president anymore. His admin is in the past.

ILet's start local.
Southern Border:
Trump ~ "Build a wall" & "Remain in Mexico" and crossings dropped to the lowest in decades.
Biden ~ "No more walls!" and 2 million so far this year.

Ah yes the wall that the migrants bypass as it was neither completed due to fraud and corruption. One would think that the workers there would deter people crossing, but those are only documented Illegals. so while there was what, only 10k a swear allowed, that admin didn't really count all those in the detainment camps.

Also, if you would go back to your civic lessons, this country is founded on the principle of bring me your tired, your poor, your disenfranchised. Everyone here,, in this country was from an immigrant. If you wish to say legal or illegal, that is only from the aspect of from the government in power. It also goes to show you that how poor this country is being run and yet people from all over are risking their lives to come here.

IEnergy/Gas price:
Trump ~ Energy exporter worldwide and economically independent of outside sources.
Biden ~ "No more fossil fuel!" and reduced the supply on his first day in office. And now draining the Federal Reserve for the second time.

We have always been an energy exporter. We are some of the dee countries that is "blessed" with black gold. Now, it has ebbed and flowed to being a net importer or a net exporter to the total amounts in a given year, we still do that. Yet, we do not use our own supplies for ourselves. We ship what we produce here and import for our needs. Again, we import and export around 50%, give or take. We are not independent at all.

Now, by using renewable energy and cutting off dependence on foreign oil,, only then we can be free of the whims of OPEC. There is a finite amount of oil on this planet and drilling more will not do anything to change. But those petrochemical companies is that only want to be a monopoly and want to have record profits, only want you to use gas. Electric vehicles or hydrogen vehicles that literally bypass the gas pump doesn't care if OPEC is asking $100 or $1000/barrel. That is true independence

IMiddle East:
Trump ~ Abraham accords, U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem.
Biden ~ Botched withdrawal in Afghanistan, groveling for more oil out of Saudia only having OPEC+ reduce production by the same amount the US uses. Iran now threatening to take action on American soil.

Afghanistan is not in the middle east for one.

Anyway, we will not know the details of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, but remember, it was trump that set everything in motion, and it was trump and the republicans that set in motion the poor handling. Oh, is it passing thr buck? No, it is the republicans in congress that liked to play games with appointees and the whole transfer of power that put massive delays in everything.

And, since this dovetails with your last point, since we are dependent upon foreign oil, how else would you get Biden asking OPEC about anything? See, you like to use these nice little bullet points but even in your own words, are failing to realize that they are bigger than the jabs and what about isms that your party likes to shout but never seems to address?

But how would you deal with a bunch of rich Arabs that wish to maintain being richer, other than asking them to do tsomething for you. They did, and surprise prices went down for the world. Now, they are wanting to make more money again and prices will go up. Again, renewable energy that isn't tied to OPEC or a finite commodity that will run out and it doesn't matter.

Iran has problems of its own. It is equally exciting and scary. This is from the people by the people and not anything other than treatment of its own. No geopolitical aspects, no us vs them. This can be the start of the youth becoming more progressive and wishing to throw off their religious totalitarian regime or it could be a crackdown of more and harsher fundamental leaders and the world will fear more. If only trump never tore up the nuclear agreement and we wouldn't have to worry about possible nuclear weapons.

IUkraine:
That needs a separate post.

True, but what is there to talk about?

INorth Korea:
Trump ~ Walks into the Country, shakes hands with Kim Jong Un. N.K. missile launches reduced, no new tests of underground nukes.
Biden ~ N.K. launches more missiles in one month than in three years under the previous admin (including an ICBM over Japan). Starts threatening to throw nukes pretty much everywhere.

One would see that NK got everything it wanted, since trump went in and did nothing to put a stop to it. Remember, a theif doesn't stop when the corrupt guard is on duty, no he keeps using him, keeping him in his pocket. You can also say that because they, NK, are not getting what they want, they are doing exactly what they are. trump did nothing to curtail anything. If he did, then they would've the rockete to shoot and they would be a good little country. No, a child roars against the disciplarian,, not the pushover that is giving everything they want.

IHowever, it's not my job to cure your insanity or abate your personal delusions. You are welcome to them and please continue the comedic routine.
(See? I can play troll as well. :cheers:)

Really, I find it interesting that so many people can't see the woods through the trees and how they all seem utterly devoted to a person that they put aside all rational thought. I don't find it funny, but pitiful.

IBack to the original post, I have 97 independent candidates up for numerous positions. I've gone through about half looking online for their views and opinions.
And, what? 32 days to decide?
Just over a month and We should know which way the House and Senate will swing.
Who wants odds?

Why should you know which way it would swing?

Tunaman

10-08-2022, 06:39 AM

Well, I do have to admit I am long winded, but the point is that not only is it nuanced, but can't be summed up in 140 truth characters.

So the issues in the world are not because a Dem is in the white house, that the justice system is going after a crook and that you are old, out of touch and have too much boomer blood that can't keep up in the fast pace 21st century world. Cause if you stop and look, you will see that your party of choice is responsible for far more of the problems, since they never can come up with any solutions.

Who told you that? Joy Reid? Maybe in another 5 yrs they will get him...:tard:

Nobody

10-08-2022, 02:14 PM

Who told you that? Joy Reid? Maybe in another 5 yrs they will get him...:tard:

Hahaha, love how you arbitrarily name the MSNBC evening lineup. So much like the GOP and/or MAGA crowd, keep throwing everything against the wall to see if that will stick. Cause if you can't look inward to your own failings, fingerpoint and try to blame everyone but yourselves.

Loguzzzzzz

10-11-2022, 02:50 PM

So the issues in the world are not because a Dem is in the white house, that the justice system is going after a crook and that you are old, out of touch and have too much boomer blood that can't keep up in the fast pace 21st century world. Cause if you stop and look, you will see that your party of choice is responsible for far more of the problems, since they never can come up with any solutions.Your misguided opinion which you are completely entitled to and I am allowed to wholeheartedly disagree with.

I have to laugh at your age jabs. I probably am more in tune with pop culture than you are.
Age is just a number and mine seems bother you!
:rofl:

Nobody

10-11-2022, 11:01 PM

Your misguided opinion which you are completely entitled to and I am allowed to wholeheartedly disagree with.

Again, how is it misguided? You always seem to try and point it out yet you never really answer the question. You know, give good well based facts, supporting your ideas or values that prove that my notions and ideals are firmly out of place and out of touch with reality. Though opinion is one thing, and we are all entitled to it, when you try to substitute opinion for fact, we'll you have the Maga republicans...

I have to laugh at your age jabs. I probably am more in tune with pop culture than you are.
Age is just a number and mine seems bother you!
:rofl:

You do realize that pop culture is a term that comes about when things seemingly "pop" into the forefront but then quickly "pop" right back out. If you want to hang your hat on that, good for you. It is not something that will last. So if you consider the Maga movement as pop culture than you are the very thing that you say about me being a contrarian and not coming up with your own ideas. Finger point much?

But thank you John, I needed this laugh.

Loguzzzzzz

10-12-2022, 11:51 AM

Again, how is it misguided? You always seem to try and point it out yet you never really answer the question. You know, give good well based facts, supporting your ideas or values that prove that my notions and ideals are firmly out of place and out of touch with reality. Though opinion is one thing, and we are all entitled to it, when you try to substitute opinion for fact, we'll you have the Maga republicans...

You do realize that pop culture is a term that comes about when things seemingly "pop" into the forefront but then quickly "pop" right back out. If you want to hang your hat on that, good for you. It is not something that will last. So if you consider the Maga movement as pop culture than you are the very thing that you say about me being a contrarian and not coming up with your own ideas. Finger point much?

But thank you John, I needed this laugh.
Actually the term is derived from POPular which is obvious... you can have new things that are popular and old things that make a resurgence and are now popular as "retro" for instance.

Your truths are not my truths. You believe what you want and I will do the same. Just as I felt that no justice was served regarding Benghazi I'm pretty sure that you are upset that there were no real findings of collusion with the Russians by Trump after the 22 month investigation. But at least, to the best of my knowledge no one died there... Can't say the same about Benghazi, can you!

We are just diametrically opposed and I am sure you will post up something regarding this post that will not have any real substance just like about 75%-80% of your posts. Lots of words with little substance.

Hope you don't laugh about this one... there are some real sad events mentioned here.

Nobody

10-12-2022, 12:44 PM

Actually the term is derived from POPular which is obvious... you can have new things that are popular and old things that make a resurgence and are now popular as "retro" for instance.

Your truths are not my truths. You believe what you want and I will do the same. Just as I felt that no justice was served regarding Benghazi I'm pretty sure that you are upset that there were no real findings of collusion with the Russians by Trump after the 22 month investigation. But at least, to the best of my knowledge no one died there... Can't say the same about Benghazi, can you!

We are just diametrically opposed and I am sure you will post up something regarding this post that will not have any real substance just like about 75%-80% of your posts. Lots of words with little substance.

Hope you don't laugh about this one... there are some real sad events mentioned here.

Benghazi was bad, but it is easy to cherrypick that about a handful of lives that were lost needlessly and could have been prevented. And as much a tragedy as that was, it was a no-win situation for the Admin. If nothing was going to happen, then the Congress would have lambasted for jumping at "ghosts", and when they did nothing, hindsight being 20-20, and Congress vilified for not doing enough. I do love it when the right cares about a few lives but let how many Americans died stupidly, over the lack of preparation for covid?

As for the Mueller report. Let's get one thing straight about it. When yoir boss tells you to investigate everything concerning this one topic, but only report one if it follows this very narrow path, i.e. only report on Russian interference to the DNC, not if there was any Russian involvement or even if there was any evidence of Collusion with the republicans.

In my mind, an investigation should go where the evidence leads to and prosecute all those that broke the laws, not if only this group broke only these laws. That is like someone committed a murder but then quickly jaywalking or runs a redight to get punished. The law does allow for cases of found evidence indicating in new and unknown crimes.

But Mueller wasn't a total loss. Some people who broke the laws went to jail, rightly so. While many would think how you say we do, that it didn't get the president, I don't. While I may feel he is dirtier than a sewer grate, he hasn't been charged yet. I do hope that he will screw up and finally not have a bunch of patsy's and fallguys to take the blame for whatever, so he could finally face the consequences of his actions. He probably won't live that long, or maybe only the good die young. Time will judge that.

But if you're waiting for Durham to produce 3 indictments and one overturned sentence, then Mueller was well worth it for thr 40 some odd convictions of criminal acts that where sentenced. So, keep all your bluster and proformative arm raising about Benghazi, or Mueller or whatever. You are so concerned with the window dressing you have been trained to nkt question why anymore. Just by the fact that you brought up Benghazi, tells me that you are looking for an equivalency or whataboutism. It is pretty poor if that is all you can think about.

Pyrate Jim

10-12-2022, 01:15 PM

Two words~ "Dumb As Dirt".

Loguzzzzzz

10-12-2022, 01:23 PM

That was three words....

(wanted to beat Nobody to it...)
;)

Beemer

10-12-2022, 01:26 PM

Two words~ "Dumb As Dirt".

I SEE what you did there.:spit_take

Loguzzzzzz

10-12-2022, 03:23 PM

Tunaman

10-12-2022, 03:45 PM

Nobody...
I have a question, do you blame the gun manufacturer, the gun itself or the shooter....

Lets not even bother with the laws because criminals are inherent law breakers so any laws that are created truly only limit law abiding citizens...
...or maybe that should be my follow up question.

He blames the guns! You know that John! Its the "gun Violence" that is the problem.:tard: That is what they tell him to believe so he believes it. He votes for people that want to take our guns away. That alone makes you a traitor to this country.

Nobody

10-12-2022, 06:29 PM

Nobody...
I have a question, do you blame the gun manufacturer, the gun itself or the shooter....

Oh look at the bait.

Nah, you were so good enough to set it out, might as well spit your hook.

Guns are an object. They are tools. The only difference better an axe, a car, an alcoholic drink k and a gun is, 1 of those things is in the constitution.

Lets not even bother with the laws because criminals are inherent law breakers so any laws that are created truly only limit law abiding citizens...
...or maybe that should be my follow up question.

I do agree that riminals don't care about the laws. If you are law abiding citizen, then it shouldn't be any problem with any laws put before you.

But with that said, if you wish to argue about gun laws, you could construe that the founding fathers had no concept of a magazine fed weapon, thus it shouldn't be covered under the law so to ban magazines above a 1 shot weapon is merely confining the 2A to exactly what the founding fathers were writing about. The armed militia armed with muskets. Hell, let's even get rid of smokeless powder and go straight to black powder.

He blames the guns! You know that John! Its the "gun Violence" that is the problem.:tard: That is what they tell him to believe so he believes it. He votes for people that want to take our guns away. That alone makes you a traitor to this country.

I believe that it is more people who feel that the gun is the only answer. It is an escalation that only results in more guns, more crimes and more violence.

And please for the love of Christ, find me multiple instances of people who were doing nothing that got their weapons taken away. Were are those law abiding citizens that were Shanghai'd and railroaded into loosing their constitutional rights? Or are you just going to give me the same cock and bull story of the evil libs are going to do it, one day, when they control the government and can vote in the right laws to do this all legally and stuff...

Hmmm, and yet you support people that wish to go against the constitution, this country and the freedoms it represents. Funny fence you're on Tuna.

Loguzzzzzz

10-12-2022, 07:06 PM

Nobody

10-13-2022, 02:04 AM

The first repeating fire arm was built in 1779. by an Italian no less...for the record.
Do you really want to go down THAT rabbit hole? You can argue the pen and quill verses the printing press verses phones verses email. I am sure that they never envisioned the internet either. :tard:

It is a weak argument at best!

I expected a lame response and once again you did not disappoint!

Oh yes, let's disparage the Italians and there Bienelli, Beretta firearms manufacturers. I know, let's get the french in there and without them, we wouldn't have smokeless powder(yes, many other counties were working on it and it would be found eventually), and the first mass produced semi rifle, the RSC17.

And if you really want to go down to brass tacks, shall I mention the Pucklegun?

The fact is that, even though a repeater was invented halfway across the world does not make it known to the greater extent of the world. But you are also forgetting the various duckfoot and volley guns, which can also be considered. Yes, you want to go down history's path, that is fine. But my point is still that, when written the 2A did not make mention nor did it make provisions for an exact definition of the word, "armed militia" with what they should be armed with.

going_home

10-13-2022, 05:21 AM

https://media.tenor.com/-URMZ44BH5AAAAAM/gym-career-com-muscle.gif

Government wants this to be your only arms

Loguzzzzzz

10-13-2022, 12:00 PM

Oh yes, let's disparage the Italians and there Bienelli, Beretta firearms manufacturers. I know, let's get the french in there and without them, we wouldn't have smokeless powder(yes, many other counties were working on it and it would be found eventually), and the first mass produced semi rifle, the RSC17.

And if you really want to go down to brass tacks, shall I mention the Pucklegun?

The fact is that, even though a repeater was invented halfway across the world does not make it known to the greater extent of the world. But you are also forgetting the various duckfoot and volley guns, which can also be considered. Yes, you want to go down history's path, that is fine. But my point is still that, when written the 2A did not make mention nor did it make provisions for an exact definition of the word, "armed militia" with what they should be armed with.
Weapons of the day. Plain and simple. :confused:

If you think about it how could it be anything less. If you have a militia to fight a TYRANNICAL government, or enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC how could it possibly less.

Try and apply some logic here...��

Why would I try to disparage the Italians for goodness sake, I am one. I don't think we get the credit that we deserve. Everyone thinks the Germans are the best engineers. I happen to feel the Italians are...but then maybe I am just a little biased.

going_home

10-13-2022, 12:11 PM

https://youtu.be/g8vHhgh6oM0

Nobody

10-13-2022, 03:24 PM

Weapons of the day. Plain and simple. :confused:

If you think about it how could it be anything less. If you have a militia to fight a TYRANNICAL government, or enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC how could it possibly less.

Try and apply some logic here...��

Why would I try to disparage the Italians for goodness sake, I am one. I don't think we get the credit that we deserve. Everyone thinks the Germans are the best engineers. I happen to feel the Italians are...but then maybe I am just a little biased.

Well, since the constitution was written for a very young country that was trying something new, a representative democracy that had no standing army, remember England's New model army and the idea of a professional army was only started about 130 years from the ratification of the constitution, that all men were being asked to help this nation, in order to fight more established countries if and when they decided to wage war upon this country.

The word tyranny was used to represent ideas that were against our very own and of course. Foreign and domestic, were of course represented countries and people who wished to take over this country, going against the very ideas that the constitution stood for, that all men were created equal, not because they had a letter behind their name, not because they associated with a movement that wears red hats(kinda like Italy's black shirts, or Germany's brown shirts) and certainly not because they didn't like the outcome of an election and decided to change the outcome of an election by force.

So thank you very much in putting those words out there, to prove a point that the domestic aspect of someone trying to go against the constitution represents a tyrannical attempt that those people who supported a twice empeached, failed ex-president is, by status of the constitution a domestic tyrannical leader that arms should be taken up by all people of this country to be put down like a rabid dog.

Pyrate Jim

10-13-2022, 09:15 PM

So thank you very much in putting those words out there, to prove a point that the domestic aspect of someone trying to go against the constitution represents a tyrannical attempt that those people who supported a twice empeached, failed ex-president is, by status of the constitution a domestic tyrannical leader that arms should be taken up by all people of this country to be put down like a rabid dog.
That's quite extreme. Advocating armed assault against American citizens over political differences.
In fact, that could be construed as a death threat. Maybe You should start a Jihad. (or not)

In the case of 2a, it's not the weapon. Any weapon in existence can be copied and turned back against the original. It can be a nebelwerfer or a nuke or a deathstar.
Which part of 2a comes first? The Militia. The People. Those willing to fight & risk all for their homes and families from their doorstep.
It was written by men who did fight and start a revolution against a tyrannical King for taking away the guns and increasing taxes.
The "Boston Tea Party" was held over a 4% tax.

We're not here to talk history, right? Mid-terms coming up in what? 26 days?
I have to say that locally the independents are a mixed bag, a few good ideas scrambled up with a whole lot of half-baked nonsense.
However, collectively they do outweigh other main parties 97-8. Out here Dems don't look good, and republicans not much better, so the indies may have a chance.

In the bigger picture, let's lay some odds.
Dems hold both House & Senate ~ 20-1
Dems keep the Senate ~ 15-1
Dems keep the House ~ 10-1
Putin nukes Ukraine just before the election ~ 10-1
(don't think they don't watch us)
Those international odds change dramatically after projected election results; we can only hope that nothing stupid happens.

Nobody

10-14-2022, 01:53 AM

That's quite extreme. Advocating armed assault against American citizens over political differences.
In fact, that could be construed as a death threat. Maybe You should start a Jihad. (or not)

And what does it say to those persons who supported a man, a movement that sees an armed insurrection as just a peaceful protests, as they erect gallows, storm the governmental seat of power all because more people don't believe his lies than do?

In the case of 2a, it's not the weapon. Any weapon in existence can be copied and turned back against the original. It can be a nebelwerfer or a nuke or a deathstar.
Which part of 2a comes first? The Militia. The People. Those willing to fight & risk all for their homes and families from their doorstep.
It was written by men who did fight and start a revolution against a tyrannical King for taking away the guns and increasing taxes.
The "Boston Tea Party" was held over a 4% tax.

We're not here to talk history, right?

Maybe we should be talking history, as so many think they have a clue when it goes exactly against the truth. It is not my truth or an interpretation of it, but the cold, hard fact of the matter. It is nice you sited the Boston Tea party, but mix up the reasons for that protest. No taxation without representation. Ever hear that sentence? It means that the unfair, towards the colonies in America, taxation of items(it wasn't just tea), without a say as to what is being taxed upon or where those taxes go is unjust, as those colonies do not have a say in the matter.

It was never about taking away the colonist's guns. I don't even know where that came from. Taxes and having no representatives in the English parliament was the spark that started it all.

Mid-terms coming up in what? 26 days?
I have to say that locally the independents are a mixed bag, a few good ideas scrambled up with a whole lot of half-baked nonsense.
However, collectively they do outweigh other main parties 97-8. Out here Dems don't look good, and republicans not much better, so the indies may have a chance.

In the bigger picture, let's lay some odds.
Dems hold both House & Senate ~ 20-1
Dems keep the Senate ~ 15-1
Dems keep the House ~ 10-1
Putin nukes Ukraine just before the election ~ 10-1
(don't think they don't watch us)
Those international odds change dramatically after projected election results; we can only hope that nothing stupid happens.

So do you handicap just from what you think is going to happen or do you have some form of basis to draw upon?

Also, it is rather macabre to think that those odds for Putin to go nuclear is not right. Not the odds but the fact that you have them so low and seemingly, since you posted them to want to see this happen. That is not right, that is rather despicable.

Tunaman

10-14-2022, 07:49 AM

And what does it say to those persons who supported a man, a movement that sees an armed insurrection as just a peaceful protests, as they erect gallows, storm the governmental seat of power all because more people don't believe his lies than do?

Maybe we should be talking history, as so many think they have a clue when it goes exactly against the truth. It is not my truth or an interpretation of it, but the cold, hard fact of the matter. It is nice you sited the Boston Tea party, but mix up the reasons for that protest. No taxation without representation. Ever hear that sentence? It means that the unfair, towards the colonies in America, taxation of items(it wasn't just tea), without a say as to what is being taxed upon or where those taxes go is unjust, as those colonies do not have a say in the matter.

It was never about taking away the colonist's guns. I don't even know where that came from. Taxes and having no representatives in the English parliament was the spark that started it all.

So do you handicap just from what you think is going to happen or do you have some form of basis to draw upon?

Also, it is rather macabre to think that those odds for Putin to go nuclear is not right. Not the odds but the fact that you have them so low and seemingly, since you posted them to want to see this happen. That is not right, that is rather despicable.Not quite. The "cold hard facts" as you say was the FBI paying Danchenco for fake news, and the FBI taking that fake news to a FISA court to get a fake warrant to spy on a sitting President. All of your "facts" are LIES and you know it. 2 fake impeachments based on LIES. Keep believing the LIES that CNN and MSDNC tells you. You will go far.:tard:

Nobody

10-14-2022, 12:38 PM

Not quite. The "cold hard facts" as you say was the FBI paying Danchenco for fake news, and the FBI taking that fake news to a FISA court to get a fake warrant to spy on a sitting President. All of your "facts" are LIES and you know it. 2 fake impeachments based on LIES. Keep believing the LIES that CNN and MSDNC tells you. You will go far.:tard:

Tuna, I was talking about a piece of history not anything current. Try actually reading the written. word not one of your fever dreams of what you think is being said. With that said, whatever you are talking about could easily be proven in a court of law, just like the 61 cases that the ex-president brought from this last election that all but 1 case(which was a narrow judgement that had no bearing on the total outcome). So who is spreading more lies? Maybe trump should start a farming equipment co.pany. he seems to spread more manure than International Harvester.

Pyrate Jim

10-14-2022, 03:30 PM

"No taxation without representation" has become a joke. The only ones represented are the lobbyists and special interest groups that pour money into politicians' pockets in a legalized form of bribery. A story older than the Bible.
I feel it should be "No taxation without justification". Hold the Government accountable for the money we earned and they spend.

As far as the odds I post (I reserve the word "handicap" for our current admin) my basis is often what is reported as news filtered through my personal lens of seeing through B.S. from a study of history. Things like Putin's invasion of Ukraine is a page-by-page repeat of the playbook Stalin used in Poland in 1942. The only way for Putin to exceed that is the use of weapons Stalin didn't have, and Russia already moved their 12th group south. You know, that special force in charge of Russian nukes?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/watch/putin-orders-nuclear-military-train-to-the-ukraine-front-line-doomsday-submarine-in-the-arctic/vi-AA12zy8Y?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6b28c6ca3fee4bb3b602b0a0ac4c5b9d&category=foryou
Things like the gender dysphoria both the Greek & Roman Empires experienced during their collapse that we see happening today in our own country. (but let's not go there)
So, if you don't like the odds I give, you are more than welcome to offer up your own opinions described in mathematical terms rather than emotional diatribes over an "armed insurrection" which is a whole crock of B.S. I mean C'mon, man!
The FBI knew over a week ahead that some in the crowd may be armed. There were what? 40-50 thousand on the Mall that day, if only 2% were law-abiding legal carriers, that's 1,000 guns. Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to know that was likely in a crowd that size...
How many guns did we see in the videos? Zero. How many shots were fired that day? One. Who pulled the trigger? Capital Police. Who died? One unarmed woman who was shot, and one police officer who had an embolism.
The first person arrested that day testified to the Jan 6 committee that He was a member of Black Lives Matter, posing as a MAGA supporter. We saw the videos of Capital Police opening the barriers to let people in. Nancy Pelosi had film crews already there to record it (including Her son-in-law outside and grandson inside) and turned it into a political ad shown on CNN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4pc8g9XV0o

And let's not forget Ray Epps in that ad, that "poor schmuck" who was recorded encouraging protesters to get inside the building and, Gee Whiz! He just happens to be married to the head of the U.S. division of Dominion (the ones with the voting machines). Nothing to see here folks, just go about your business ~ Nothing suspicious here, no black flag ops going on. It's all Trumps fault. Just like the economy, inflation, border crossings, fentanyl deaths, gas production, crime increase, racial division, homelessness & squatters. Yeah, I know the Dems have held the White House, the House & the Senate for almost two years and haven't done much to make it better, just assigned blame rather than make improvements, but it's not their fault. It was like that when they got there.
Or was it?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKUWslMkI9pdEpfNACDqcPA/community?lb=Ugkxt6063cuJ1iBHeOJrik6cwoMuQtTRhULV

Loguzzzzzz

10-14-2022, 07:01 PM

"No taxation without representation" has become a joke. The only ones represented are the lobbyists and special interest groups that pour money into politicians' pockets in a legalized form of bribery. A story older than the Bible.
I feel it should be "No taxation without justification". Hold the Government accountable for the money we earned and they spend.

As far as the odds I post (I reserve the word "handicap" for our current admin) my basis is often what is reported as news filtered through my personal lens of seeing through B.S. from a study of history. Things like Putin's invasion of Ukraine is a page-by-page repeat of the playbook Stalin used in Poland in 1942. The only way for Putin to exceed that is the use of weapons Stalin didn't have, and Russia already moved their 12th group south. You know, that special force in charge of Russian nukes?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/watch/putin-orders-nuclear-military-train-to-the-ukraine-front-line-doomsday-submarine-in-the-arctic/vi-AA12zy8Y?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6b28c6ca3fee4bb3b602b0a0ac4c5b9d&category=foryou
Things like the gender dysphoria both the Greek & Roman Empires experienced during their collapse that we see happening today in our own country. (but let's not go there)
So, if you don't like the odds I give, you are more than welcome to offer up your own opinions described in mathematical terms rather than emotional diatribes over an "armed insurrection" which is a whole crock of B.S. I mean C'mon, man!
The FBI knew over a week ahead that some in the crowd may be armed. There were what? 40-50 thousand on the Mall that day, if only 2% were law-abiding legal carriers, that's 1,000 guns. Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to know that was likely in a crowd that size...
How many guns did we see in the videos? Zero. How many shots were fired that day? One. Who pulled the trigger? Capital Police. Who died? One unarmed woman who was shot, and one police officer who had an embolism.
The first person arrested that day testified to the Jan 6 committee that He was a member of Black Lives Matter, posing as a MAGA supporter. We saw the videos of Capital Police opening the barriers to let people in. Nancy Pelosi had film crews already there to record it (including Her son-in-law outside and grandson inside) and turned it into a political ad shown on CNN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4pc8g9XV0o

And let's not forget Ray Epps in that ad, that "poor schmuck" who was recorded encouraging protesters to get inside the building and, Gee Whiz! He just happens to be married to the head of the U.S. division of Dominion (the ones with the voting machines). Nothing to see here folks, just go about your business ~ Nothing suspicious here, no black flag ops going on. It's all Trumps fault. Just like the economy, inflation, border crossings, fentanyl deaths, gas production, crime increase, racial division, homelessness & squatters. Yeah, I know the Dems have held the White House, the House & the Senate for almost two years and haven't done much to make it better, just assigned blame rather than make improvements, but it's not their fault. It was like that when they got there.
Or was it?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKUWslMkI9pdEpfNACDqcPA/community?lb=Ugkxt6063cuJ1iBHeOJrik6cwoMuQtTRhULVY ou have way more patience than I do man.

When Doug makes all those BS claims I just shake my head and think that no matter what proof you put force he will deny it. I found that outr with the AR debate.

I just sit back, shake my head and laugh at his delusions...
:D

Beemer

10-14-2022, 07:19 PM

I just sit back, shake my head and laugh at his delusions...
:D

Wait for it, you know it's coming.

Nobody

10-15-2022, 06:08 AM

"No taxation without representation" has become a joke. The only ones represented are the lobbyists and special interest groups that pour money into politicians' pockets in a legalized form of bribery. A story older than the Bible.

Wow, take about taking an idea and totally ignore everything about it. We were talking about the historical application of that saying in the context of the armed rebellion that started this country, not the conflated notions that your political diet has grown fat on. While yes, lobbyists and special interest groups should be outlawed, it is up to the people who wrote the laws to put the laws in against them. No one from either party will cut off the hand that feeds them, ethics or not.

I feel it should be "No taxation without justification". Hold the Government accountable for the money we earned and they spend.

Well, we do. You see, it's called elections. When they don't do the job you elected them for, you vote them out. That is how you hold the government accountable. You certainly don't ask the persons who refuse to believe the truth in that he was unlikable and more people wanted him out of office, thus refused to believe that he lost, set up multiple ways for him to go against the votes and will of the people. That idea sounds almost fascist.

As far as the odds I post (I reserve the word "handicap" for our current admin) my basis is often what is reported as news filtered through my personal lens of seeing through B.S. from a study of history. Things like Putin's invasion of Ukraine is a page-by-page repeat of the playbook Stalin used in Poland in 1942. The only way for Putin to exceed that is the use of weapons Stalin didn't have, and Russia already moved their 12th group south. You know, that special force in charge of Russian nukes?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/watch/putin-orders-nuclear-military-train-to-the-ukraine-front-line-doomsday-submarine-in-the-arctic/vi-AA12zy8Y?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6b28c6ca3fee4bb3b602b0a0ac4c5b9d&category=foryou

I am from the area in which gambling is legal. So odds are just the way to give a fool a better chance of loosing their money. So if it makes you happy to throw around some arbitrary numbers, be my guest.

But you history is wrong again. Under a joint agreement, Stalin and Germany made a pact to basically carve Poland in 2, stopping at agreed upon points on the map. This was the start of WW2, in 1939.

There are many groups that are in charge of nuclear weapons. The navy, with there SSBNs, the air force with their nuclear capable cruise missiles, the actual troops that are in charge of the ICBMs. While it could be what you are describing, any and all intelligence that has be released by to the public is really speculation. The 12th, could have been moved to handled material taken from the occupied nuclear plants. But one thing that you also missed is, most troops of that nature cover 2 other categories in addition to nuclear. They are chemical and biological, hence the naming of NBC. So again, speculation from you and whatever your sources say.

Things like the gender dysphoria both the Greek & Roman Empires experienced during their collapse that we see happening today in our own country. (but let's not go there)

Ok, where in the hell did thus come from? The fall of the Roman empire has been hotly debated for 1600 years(least the western part, as the Byzantine empire had a much longer life, and is debated as to even if it is related to Rome or itself a new and distinct entity). Corruption and incompetence have nothing to do with gender dysphoria, as an empire is a governing or ruling body.

So, if you don't like the odds I give, you are more than welcome to offer up your own opinions described in mathematical terms rather than emotional diatribes over an "armed insurrection" which is a whole crock of B.S. I mean C'mon, man!

Ok, now back to this. Guess you are a bit touchy. Get over it. But you can not try to hide behind "maths", as it can not describe what is beautiful or what is ugly. So the emotional is ever as important as the rational aspect. But as to what else would you care to describe a group of people that assaulted their government? And armed is not just with a firearm, but sticks, and spears, and the actual bombs that were found at both the RNC and DNC HQs. C'mon man right back at you!!!

The FBI knew over a week ahead that some in the crowd may be armed. There were what? 40-50 thousand on the Mall that day, if only 2% were law-abiding legal carriers, that's 1,000 guns. Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to know that was likely in a crowd that size...

Now this aspect is interesting, until you listen to the corroborated testimony of how the ex-president was yelling to take down the metal detectors. Then, when you add in the political hacks that were the head of the various justice branches, i.e. those that were making the final decisions to what was being done with information at hand. Yea, when you have a loose cannon, stuff breaks down all around. And please remember, all the known weapons found, were only by those that were arrested. Who really knows how many weapons were actually there.

How many guns did we see in the videos? Zero. How many shots were fired that day? One. Who pulled the trigger? Capital Police. Who died? One unarmed woman who was shot, and one police officer who had an embolism.

You don't have to have a gun to be considered armed and dangerous. A person with a car can kill. A person with a knife can kill. A person who gets trampled under 1000 people can be killed. That is a pretty niave attitude.

The first person arrested that day testified to the Jan 6 committee that He was a member of Black Lives Matter, posing as a MAGA supporter. We saw the videos of Capital Police opening the barriers to let people in. Nancy Pelosi had film crews already there to record it (including Her son-in-law outside and grandson inside) and turned it into a political ad shown on CNN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4pc8g9XV0o

So 1 person out of the some 400 odd arrests and convictions? Pretty low odds there. Only .025% of thr arrested were not there supporting the coup attempt.

And I guess when you were young and strong, you could take on crowds of people what 10 to 1, or maybe 20 to 1? Yeah, when you are outnumbered and have little to no support cause your boss decided to not call in any backup, you know, that head of state guy, that preserverance is the better part of valor.

And let's not forget Ray Epps in that ad, that "poor schmuck" who was recorded encouraging protesters to get inside the building and, Gee Whiz! He just happens to be married to the head of the U.S. division of Dominion (the ones with the voting machines). Nothing to see here folks, just go about your business ~ Nothing suspicious here, no black flag ops going on. It's all Trumps fault. Just like the economy, inflation, border crossings, fentanyl deaths, gas production, crime increase, racial division, homelessness & squatters. Yeah, I know the Dems have held the White House, the House & the Senate for almost two years and haven't done much to make it better, just assigned blame rather than make improvements, but it's not their fault. It was like that when they got there.
Or was it?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKUWslMkI9pdEpfNACDqcPA/community?lb=Ugkxt6063cuJ1iBHeOJrik6cwoMuQtTRhULV

You mean the trump soppirter that is seemingly been caught up Ina foxnews conspiracy to find someone to blame. You kno2, since this person didn't do anything than show support for his choice, he got wrapped up because it was never the people how organized, who set everything in motion, but a poor schmuck who had his life ruined. Fun fact, his wife held a position in Dominion Enterprises, not Dominion Voting systems. Sorry to let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory to shift all the blame from those that set it all up.

Speaking of which, yes, trump can be solely blamed for many things. By not believing nor implementing safeguards at the start of covid, he could have saved the economy which is ,like an ocean wave, starts small but rises bigger and bigger the farther from the initial point. And by not understanding the cascading of limited health concerns, which had caused the shortages, chain blocks and lack of any health checks at the very beginning, it was the cause of the current inflation we are now in. Remember, even the biggest fire starts but from a single spark.

So, he is to blame. He is certainly to blame for the stripping away of personal freedoms to many citizens. He anointed 3 justices to end Rowe with the Dobbs decision. All this from the party that keeps on pounding their chest over "personal freedoms", when all they want is to take away all but their own freedoms. And when the twice empeached pres. says things like brown people, or how white supremacists aren't all bad; yes that is a direct correlation to the racial tension in the country. Ao while he isn't directly orchestrating everything that is bad, he has more than enough people that are clinging to power doing his bidding for him.

Nobody

10-15-2022, 06:16 AM

You have way more patience than I do man.

When Doug makes all those BS claims I just shake my head and think that no matter what proof you put force he will deny it. I found that outr with the AR debate.

I just sit back, shake my head and laugh at his delusions...
:D

Have you disproven anything I have written about? No you give loose and lacking arguments not really disproving anything. The AR thing. I can't help it if you don't believe the actually companies website not proving you correct. No, you read it on a note, 30 years ago, from some guy that knew a guy that worked there.

So please try and prove me wrong. So far no one here has ever challenged any of my arguments to the point that I am wrong about something. Even on the firearms question, was I wrong about my own postulations about your repeater question? No, you try to dismiss me,which even looks weaker than a paper bag holding water.

So pick one thing and prove me wrong. Be the bigger smarter man putting this apparent idiot in his place, or can you just not do it?

Tunaman

10-15-2022, 07:09 AM

Wow, take about taking an idea and totally ignore everything about it. We were talking about the historical application of that saying in the context of the armed rebellion that started this country, not the conflated notions that your political diet has grown fat on. While yes, lobbyists and special interest groups should be outlawed, it is up to the people who wrote the laws to put the laws in against them. No one from either party will cut off the hand that feeds them, ethics or not.

Well, we do. You see, it's called elections. When they don't do the job you elected them for, you vote them out. That is how you hold the government accountable. You certainly don't ask the persons who refuse to believe the truth in that he was unlikable and more people wanted him out of office, thus refused to believe that he lost, set up multiple ways for him to go against the votes and will of the people. That idea sounds almost fascist.

I am from the area in which gambling is legal. So odds are just the way to give a fool a better chance of loosing their money. So if it makes you happy to throw around some arbitrary numbers, be my guest.

But you history is wrong again. Under a joint agreement, Stalin and Germany made a pact to basically carve Poland in 2, stopping at agreed upon points on the map. This was the start of WW2, in 1939.

There are many groups that are in charge of nuclear weapons. The navy, with there SSBNs, the air force with their nuclear capable cruise missiles, the actual troops that are in charge of the ICBMs. While it could be what you are describing, any and all intelligence that has be released by to the public is really speculation. The 12th, could have been moved to handled material taken from the occupied nuclear plants. But one thing that you also missed is, most troops of that nature cover 2 other categories in addition to nuclear. They are chemical and biological, hence the naming of NBC. So again, speculation from you and whatever your sources say.

Ok, where in the hell did thus come from? The fall of the Roman empire has been hotly debated for 1600 years(least the western part, as the Byzantine empire had a much longer life, and is debated as to even if it is related to Rome or itself a new and distinct entity). Corruption and incompetence have nothing to do with gender dysphoria, as an empire is a governing or ruling body.

Ok, now back to this. Guess you are a bit touchy. Get over it. But you can not try to hide behind "maths", as it can not describe what is beautiful or what is ugly. So the emotional is ever as important as the rational aspect. But as to what else would you care to describe a group of people that assaulted their government? And armed is not just with a firearm, but sticks, and spears, and the actual bombs that were found at both the RNC and DNC HQs. C'mon man right back at you!!!

Now this aspect is interesting, until you listen to the corroborated testimony of how the ex-president was yelling to take down the metal detectors. Then, when you add in the political hacks that were the head of the various justice branches, i.e. those that were making the final decisions to what was being done with information at hand. Yea, when you have a loose cannon, stuff breaks down all around. And please remember, all the known weapons found, were only by those that were arrested. Who really knows how many weapons were actually there.

You don't have to have a gun to be considered armed and dangerous. A person with a car can kill. A person with a knife can kill. A person who gets trampled under 1000 people can be killed. That is a pretty niave attitude.

So 1 person out of the some 400 odd arrests and convictions? Pretty low odds there. Only .025% of thr arrested were not there supporting the coup attempt.

And I guess when you were young and strong, you could take on crowds of people what 10 to 1, or maybe 20 to 1? Yeah, when you are outnumbered and have little to no support cause your boss decided to not call in any backup, you know, that head of state guy, that preserverance is the better part of valor.

You mean the trump soppirter that is seemingly been caught up Ina foxnews conspiracy to find someone to blame. You kno2, since this person didn't do anything than show support for his choice, he got wrapped up because it was never the people how organized, who set everything in motion, but a poor schmuck who had his life ruined. Fun fact, his wife held a position in Dominion Enterprises, not Dominion Voting systems. Sorry to let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory to shift all the blame from those that set it all up.

Speaking of which, yes, trump can be solely blamed for many things. By not believing nor implementing safeguards at the start of covid, he could have saved the economy which is ,like an ocean wave, starts small but rises bigger and bigger the farther from the initial point. And by not understanding the cascading of limited health concerns, which had caused the shortages, chain blocks and lack of any health checks at the very beginning, it was the cause of the current inflation we are now in. Remember, even the biggest fire starts but from a single spark.

So, he is to blame. He is certainly to blame for the stripping away of personal freedoms to many citizens. He anointed 3 justices to end Rowe with the Dobbs decision. All this from the party that keeps on pounding their chest over "personal freedoms", when all they want is to take away all but their own freedoms. And when the twice empeached pres. says things like brown people, or how white supremacists aren't all bad; yes that is a direct correlation to the racial tension in the country. Ao while he isn't directly orchestrating everything that is bad, he has more than enough people that are clinging to power doing his bidding for him.He wasnt impeached twice. The party of morons TRIED to impeach him but he was aquitted TWICE. That means not guilty. Didnt Don Lemon and Joy teach you that?

Pyrate Jim

10-15-2022, 12:03 PM

Here is one person I'm voting against:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/utterly-horrifying-virginia-democrat-ripped-for-plan-to-criminalize-parents-opposed-to-gender-transitions/ar-AA12YiPZ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=00d0115a7522460383e56b5eb0cd1b31

Nobody

10-15-2022, 01:36 PM

He wasnt impeached twice. The party of morons TRIED to impeach him but he was aquitted TWICE. That means not guilty. Didnt Don Lemon and Joy teach you that?

Ummm, he was empeached, twice. Just like Bill Clinton was empeached. Being acquitted doesn't mean that the empeachments didn't happen, just that they were found not guilty in congress, not a court of law. But you see, I don't listen to opinion newscasters for facts, as they are journalists not educated people.

Pyrate Jim

10-15-2022, 02:51 PM

Trump was impeached by the House, acquitted by the Senate.
Neither are Judicial.
So, if the acquittals were not in a court of law, the impeachments were not in a court of law.
Get over it.

Pyrate Jim

10-15-2022, 06:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxC_dekpK4mz-4PUrqrGPpi6-ah51t-RVA

Nobody

10-15-2022, 07:49 PM

Trump was impeached by the House, acquitted by the Senate.
Neither are Judicial.
So, if the acquittals were not in a court of law, the impeachments were not in a court of law.
Get over it.

And the same with Bill Clinton. Impeached, one of 3 presidents to be so judged(Nixon resigned before the vote took place, of course) but the fact is still, HE WAS EMPEACHED TWICE.

To me it does say a whole hell of a lot to how he was such a horrible president(James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson both approve their move up the ranks of not being the worst presidents, lol). As there have been countless motions in the house calling for Biden's empeachment, yet none of those get pass, thus never happening. So while he was acquitted of the charges, the vote still happened. You get over the fact that you tied your political leanings on an infamous deplorable leader that has such a litany of lies, breaking laws and conduct abhorrent to the constitution.

Tunaman

10-16-2022, 07:08 AM

And the same with Bill Clinton. Impeached, one of 3 presidents to be so judged(Nixon resigned before the vote took place, of course) but the fact is still, HE WAS EMPEACHED TWICE.

To me it does say a whole hell of a lot to how he was such a horrible president(James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson both approve their move up the ranks of not being the worst presidents, lol). As there have been countless motions in the house calling for Biden's empeachment, yet none of those get pass, thus never happening. So while he was acquitted of the charges, the vote still happened. You get over the fact that you tied your political leanings on an infamous deplorable leader that has such a litany of lies, breaking laws and conduct abhorrent to the constitution.What laws did he break? The ones CNN amd MSDNC told you he broke? Get a life...one with facts.

Nobody

10-16-2022, 04:21 PM

What laws did he break? The ones CNN amd MSDNC told you he broke? Get a life...one with facts.

Taking documents that belonged to the the US government. Defrauding people who attended his college. Breaking the laws of a charitable organization. There is 1 on going and 2 proven crimes that he has done. Is that enough for you? That is not counting any of the settled lawsuits that he has done but didn't go to trial over.

Pyrate Jim

10-16-2022, 05:56 PM

Twenty three days until the Mid-Term Elections.
Trump is not on the ballot.

It's my observation that people are thinking with their wallets with a short-term memory.
They think it's great America can welcome the poor, the tired, or give away billions of tax dollars to a struggling country halfway around the world or save the planet by eliminating fossil fuels.
And then they ask ~ "What about Me?"

This attitude, this feeling is growing. It's escalating the odds of the Dems holding both House & Senate, gaining almost daily. Even holding just one is climbing.
President Bidens trip to the West Coast didn't help much, nor the Dems lop-sided approach while campaigning. Both Pa. and Or. are going to be worth watching, Il. as well. As has been noted, We as a people hold our elected leaders accountable by voting. (did a bang-up job of that last time...) We're about to do it again and the result could be the equivalent of either salvaging this trainwreck or running it off a cliff.

And guess what? What Trump did or didn't do doesn't mean squat, what he does or doesn't do means less, because He does not sit in the Oval Office and He is not in any political race for office. So try to keep it in control, MmmK?

Pyrate Jim

10-16-2022, 08:41 PM

This one should be addressed. It's funny as hell.
So, in the last Jan. 6 committee before the midterms, a Democratic Rep from Md (Jamie Raskin) discloses "previously unreleased" video purportedly taken on Jan 6th during the whole "insurrection". You'd think something like this wouldn't take 22 months to surface.
Or should I say, produce? Ed Wood would probably hold it in distain just for the dialogue. It's the camera angles that really give it away more than the script, these scenes were rehearsed.
I should warn you, this is tough to get through. It's the first four seconds to pay attention to calling it a "bloodbath", but never showing any violence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzcWhqGXgF8

Now, I have to ask myself ~ "Is this real? Or some phantasm?"

Nobody

10-16-2022, 09:19 PM

Twenty three days until the Mid-Term Elections.
Trump is not on the ballot.

No he's not, yet Maga candidates are, his message is, and everything bad about how you further cannot trust those people who want to gain power are. Just because the man is not on the ballot doesn't make his presence any less so.

It's my observation that people are thinking with their wallets with a short-term memory.
They think it's great America can welcome the poor, the tired, or give away billions of tax dollars to a struggling country halfway around the world or save the planet by eliminating fossil fuels.
And then they ask ~ "What about Me?"

It is not an either or prospect. It is not an either or choice for that matter. Republicans have shown that they wish to take away people's rights and freedoms while not providing even the basics of life. Give tax breaks for the richest 1% but then squeeze everyone below for their last penny. Biden has shown albeit with much difficulties, that they can provide the necessary things that people want from thr government, like having roads that aren't falling apart, clean water to drink, and the like, and by pushing for renewable energies, so that OPEC can have $1000/barrel price on oil and it doesn't effect the every day citizen.

This attitude, this feeling is growing. It's escalating the odds of the Dems holding both House & Senate, gaining almost daily. Even holding just one is climbing.

I see it as a puncher's chance. I know that I could be surprised either way.

President Bidens trip to the West Coast didn't help much, nor the Dems lop-sided approach while campaigning. Both Pa. and Or. are going to be worth watching, Il. as well. As has been noted, We as a people hold our elected leaders accountable by voting. (did a bang-up job of that last time...) We're about to do it again and the result could be the equivalent of either salvaging this trainwreck or running it off a cliff.

Well, there were no actual irregularities at all by any state in voting that would have effect any of the vote counts. Those people who voted for thr looser Trump twice were caught. After 60+ cases brought to various levels of courts had no evidence of voting problems regardless of the piles of evidence or at least words of evidence one side had said were there. The government under the sitting president found nothing wrong

But the problems with voting has not been the problem. The problem is that some people don't wish to believe the results from their own egos and narcissistic sycophants telling them what they want to hear.

And guess what? What Trump did or didn't do doesn't mean squat, what he does or doesn't do means less, because He does not sit in the Oval Office and He is not in any political race for office. So try to keep it in control, MmmK?

You say that, but do you really believe that? So a pedophile can watch your kids or grandkids cause what they did in the past, doesn't matter? You would let a theif watch over the money in a restaurant? You would let a drunk driver take you home at night? Just because he doesn't sit in the Oval office, doesn't mean he and his party are not pushing policies that go against personal freedoms, or even established laws. If a candidate is endorsed by trump then he and his brand of politics are on the ballot.

Beemer

10-16-2022, 11:34 PM

Just because he doesn't sit in the Oval office, doesn't mean he and his party are not pushing policies that go against personal freedoms, or even established laws.

What the hell are you talking about? Just more of your cockamamie OPINION. You sure seem to like to hear yourself Babbling.

Pyrate Jim...whats the odds this guy is a kneeler???

Beemer

10-16-2022, 11:57 PM

Wait for it.......3.......2.......

Nobody

10-17-2022, 03:48 AM

What the hell are you talking about? Just more of your cockamamie OPINION. You sure seem to like to hear yourself Babbling.

Pyrate Jim...whats the odds this guy is a kneeler???

Opinion? You have guys like Mastriano in PA that is trump approved, or Lake in Arizona. They won their primaries because of endorsements not because they want to make the place a better place. That is not an opinion.

And for policies, how about only wanting a SCOTUS appointee that would overturn Rowe. That's taking away freedom of choice away from women. And for laws, how about the constitution and the election process. I mean, I keep hearing about all this evidence but oh look at what's going down at the boarder....

Pyrate Jim

10-17-2022, 10:28 AM

NY Times today.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-gain-edge-as-voters-worry-about-economy-times-siena-poll-finds/ar-AA132zoE?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=6ebdc67ec8364a60b73fd44c3a679457

Loguzzzzzz

10-17-2022, 11:36 AM

Have you disproven anything I have written about? No you give loose and lacking arguments not really disproving anything. The AR thing. I can't help it if you don't believe the actually companies website not proving you correct. No, you read it on a note, 30 years ago, from some guy that knew a guy that worked there.

So please try and prove me wrong. So far no one here has ever challenged any of my arguments to the point that I am wrong about something. Even on the firearms question, was I wrong about my own postulations about your repeater question? No, you try to dismiss me,which even looks weaker than a paper bag holding water.

So pick one thing and prove me wrong. Be the bigger smarter man putting this apparent idiot in his place, or can you just not do it?I did prove you wrong, gave you snippets and links to pages, you did nothing of the sort and just said "their website said so" which is a lie. I read their entire site and the words you claim were there simply ARE NOT!

You were wrong, you lied and you lost. This is my final answer!

Go ahead and babble on since you can't admit you ARE WRONG!

Beemer

10-17-2022, 11:47 AM

Loguzzzzzz

10-17-2022, 11:48 AM

Here is the only real question:
Are YOU better off today than you were 4 years ago. If so then vote incumbent. If not then vote to change.

I can tell you this....I am much worse off than I was 4 years ago. My plan is to NOT vote for any incumbent, No matter the party affiliation. They have all failed.

The REAL problem here is that voters today are largely uneducated, and lack the ability to truly comprehend the written word, because of this they rely on MainStreamMedia to get their opinions. That being said it is too bad that ALL media outlets are slanted. It is no longer "report the news" we get their opinionated version of the news slanted the direction they want you to think. They are ALL guilty of it. Give me the story truthfully and let me decide what to believe.

Nobody is living proof of that!

To get the truth I listen to both sides because somewhere is the middle lies the truth.

Beemer

10-17-2022, 11:52 AM

Opinion? That is not an opinion.Well YES YES it is. I mean, I keep hearing about all this evidence but oh look at what's going down at the boarder....Do YOU really know whats going on, on the boarder? NO NO you don't.

:tard: :banghead:

Beemer

10-17-2022, 12:12 PM

Save your change for retirement Nobody.:eek:

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/10/the_national_debt_elephant_in_the_room.html

Biden costs average Americans $34,000 in retirement savings in 2022 —study
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/10/biden_costs_average_americans_34000_in_retirement_ savings_in_2022_study.html

Beemer

10-17-2022, 12:28 PM

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/10/obama_warns_dems_on_trump.html

President Obama making sense? Well, he is making a lot of sense about Democrats obsessed with President Trump. Check this out:

Former President Barack Obama is warning his Democrat colleagues to stop campaigning with a focus on Trump, saying that they need to worry about more important issues that the country faces. While speaking on the Pod Save America podcast, Obama told the hosts that his party's obsession with Trump is not what will drive voters to vote Democrat.

"The thing that I think sometimes we seem to make a mistake on, is his behavior can be so outrageous, and now, folks who try to copy him and his outrageous behaviors [are] getting a lot of attention," Obama said, referring to MAGA supporters.

The former president said that Democrats waste so much time and energy picking apart every little thing Trump says or does, while they should be worried about the high gas prices, record inflation, and out-of-control crime.

Obama Tells Democrats To Get Over Their Obsession With Trump
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2022/10/16/obama-tells-democrats-to-get-over-their-obsession-with-trump-n2614585

Tunaman

10-17-2022, 12:48 PM

I dont listen to a word of ANYTHING Obama has to say. Obama wanted "a civilian police force larger and more equipped than the US military". Is that what you all want? I certainly do not want that. Only an idiot would take anything that Obama says(or Biden for that matter) serious.

Pyrate Jim

10-18-2022, 09:43 AM

Other people give odds, too!
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxBrUfeRQOY323qYxtopwPWlnsHUAY8BsX

Pyrate Jim

10-18-2022, 04:09 PM

And here's a good thing...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/georgia-breaks-first-day-early-voting-record-nearly-doubles-figure-from-last-midterms/ar-AA136CEV?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=725083730e9c44cf897e3c2b2a823475

This means people are concerned, that they're getting out there to make their mark in the electoral process.

Pyrate Jim

10-19-2022, 10:14 PM

Nobody

10-20-2022, 02:08 PM

Funny thing going on, take the "Orange Whale" out of the equation and Ahab goes silent. :argh:
Should trends keep on the current pace, it is not looking good for the Dems.
However, it doesn't look good for Republicans even if they end up holding majorities in both House and Senate.

Either way, the aftermath looks like an uphill battle and the casualties will be the middle class.

I did not know I was supposed to comment on every single post. When I do it is either to correct your misunderstanding, your absolute negelegence to the truth, or I just don't feel like getting into the slop with the pigs.

As I have said before, you can not talk about politics without the leader, nor where the political parties are going without them.

But the truth is still, polls are still still up for grabs, no concrete numbers out and everything is like throwing at a dart board blind.

Pyrate Jim

11-06-2022, 08:23 AM

Nobody

11-07-2022, 03:05 AM

That's it. You know it's over when Chuck Norris joins the fight.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/chuck-norris-jumps-into-u-s-midterms-backing-key-senate-candidate/vi-AA13KDCO?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=71741abfbc4c4e6fa214b278c71eedae&category=foryou

Hmmm, 2 days before the actual election. Kinda seems like it really won't matter much. It's almost like bringing a water pistol to a rain storm.

Pyrate Jim

11-07-2022, 11:30 AM

Nobody

11-07-2022, 05:59 PM

Even CNN is calling that rainstorm Democrat tears.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democratic-strategist-predicts-election-day-doom-in-scorching-cnn-takedown-of-her-party-s-tactics-we-did-not-listen-to-voters/ar-AA13NTaF?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=e9a5bb450cd14459a709f59e2187d4a1

And as much of a deathnell as that article makes it out to he, know one knows what the public has listened to, to inform them of what is going on on and how it will effect the outcome. That is the problem with messaging. You try to lay out your message and hope it sticks. Did it work or did it fail? You only know after the election happens.

going_home

11-08-2022, 07:16 AM

Nobody

11-08-2022, 10:01 AM

Oh the message has stuck alright.

Hyperinflation, food & fuel doubling in price.

And who really thinks dementia Joe Bob is really at the ships helm ?

He cant even find his way off the stage after a spewing a nonsensical word salad.

And Obama is blaming Trump for all this from 7 years ago, the problem with that is he (Obama) was still in charge 7 years ago.....

:tard:

Talk about nonsense...

If dementia Joe was in charge of it, wouldn't it be worse? Nope.

Inflation is world wide, not just the US. Had we not have a global pandemic, things would have been different. But when the US and other countries grind to a halt, things stop. So in turn it takes much longer to get started again, like Lucy at the candy factory, you work 3 times as hard just to keep up.

Then you have capitalism. You know that free market enterprise where companies make profits. Well the petroleum companies saw a surplus when people didn't use gas cause jobs and work shut down. They didn't like that, so in order to again make record profits in the last quarter, they up the price. So by upping the cost to move merchandise, companies up their price, which ups the cost for the workers and at the end of it all is the petroleum companies making record profits. Last time I looked big oil controls that, not the President.

But still blame Obama. It's not like he was ever empeached or lost an election.

Mps18

11-08-2022, 04:19 PM

Pyrate Jim

11-08-2022, 05:49 PM

Welcome to the chat.
I would say "good luck to all of us" because the next two years will be tough for everybody regardless of who wins.

Personally, I've avoided watching "live results" today. Apparently, both sides are and have been contesting procedures.
I'm sure some of these most "critical" States may take some days to straighten out.

On the other hand, someone posted that Biden intended to release 1.8 million votes from the national ballot reserve. :argh:

Mps18

11-08-2022, 06:18 PM

Nobody

11-08-2022, 07:22 PM

How anyone can defend this administration while we are slowly going down burning is beyond me. The worse has yet to come and its already the worst i've ever lived through. A black woman who is not fit for the job got the job only because she was a a black woman. Joe Biden is worse than my uncle who is in a home now lied about his own sons laptop and involvement in his drug frenzies and international business ties. Forced vaccinations that dont work and emptying of all our reserves. The election was won on the blood of others through lies and narrative pushing especially with race, so funny how all the BLM riots stopped as soon as they got what they wanted. Good luck to all of you because the next two years will be tough.

You are absolutely correct. How can a woman have any sort of credentials at all in the government, nevertheless the workplace.

So let's look at what it takes to become vice president. Well, these are hard to find and are tough. They have to be a natural born US citizen, lived in the US for 14 years. It seems that there is less required to become vice president than president. I will assume that since the vice president was once the prize for the looser of the election, that the participant must also be 35 years old.

So yea, you are absolutely correct that a woman, who was born here, who was a US senator, is totally not qualified to be a vice president.

Thank you so much for joining the conversation. You are bringing so much to this, I don't even know where to begin.

Mps18

11-09-2022, 12:37 AM

Nobody

11-09-2022, 04:34 AM

Nothing that you said makes someone fit for the job or duty to be a Vice President you just stated the minimum qualifications congratulations she met the minimum. She is not competent and if you are too blind to see that is on you. Id rather not even speak with you, you can remain a nobody with no sense.

Lol, so what are the qualifications that she lacks? I mean trump met those qualifications and somehow he couldn't do the job in any capacity and barely met those of just showing up. I mean, he was such a great judge of character that he went through how many chief of staff, communications directors and personnel, how many cabinet members or even advisors on national security and such? But that is trump and his foibles. So tell us all how she is not competent? What is it that makes us all blind to the notion that she is not fit for the job.

Now historically, until Hubert Humphrey, the vice president didn't historically do much. Until the Carter admin, the vide president didn't even have an office in the White house. It is even noted that when FDR died and Truman took over, he did not even know about the Manhattan project and the atomic bomb tests/programs. Likewise the position when first created was for the looser of the election, which is why many of the first vice presidents after Washington went on to become presidents themselves. Likewise in the 19th century, many presidents chose opposition party members to serve as vice president to give the notion of a untied government, but yet the VP didn't have any real job till the Bicentennial of the founding. So the bar for the job is rather low in most regards.

But if you can state a rational and coherent argument as to why she is unfit for office, tell us all. But a misogynistic, uneducated, opinion just makes you look more the fool than most here.

going_home

11-11-2022, 06:56 PM

Lol, so what are the qualifications that she lacks?

The ability to say anything coherent.

Whenever she speaks its a garbled nonsensical word salad with no meaning.

But wait, they were looking for someone for that job that wouldnt look smarter than Joe Bob the diaper king....

They actually did find her.

So there is that......

:sarcasm:

pimped mag 01

12-07-2022, 07:54 AM

Sorry I've been such a ghost, been busy getting ready for our first small one! Biden's entire cabinet is a joke and shows exactly what happens when you play the identity politics game.103408

going_home

12-07-2022, 07:43 PM

They have cracked the code, how to cheat in wide open daylight for all to see.

There will never be another fair election in the US.

Biden's banana republic......

Very sad to see what this once great country has come to now.

Loguzzzzzz

12-16-2022, 01:29 PM

Personally I have lost faith in the system. I will continue to participate but I feel it will be futile. Too many people look for free stuff which is never free. It costs the hard working people of this country plenty. In that the democrats basically buy votes with OUR (the country as a whole) money.

Maddening.:mad::cuss:

I still believe in :Flag:

Nobody

12-16-2022, 05:15 PM

Personally I have lost faith in the system.

Is it that what you see is support of a man/party that wants to destroy democracy or is that you do not see how millions of Americans are preventing this from happening? So sorry that the system was set up to thwart a totalitarian regime from taking over.

I will continue to participate but I feel it will be futile.

So you give up, say it is lost but yet still participate. Make up your mind..

Too many people look for free stuff which is never free.

Oh yes, like clean water, clean air land that our houses are on that isn't toxic. Let us forget that other cou tries that are not in the 3rd world can provide these things, but you would be damned to have them here.

It costs the hard working people of this country plenty. In that the democrats basically buy votes with OUR (the country as a whole) money.

Yes, because no politician ever has promised a thing to get elected. Oh no, no one has ever done that in the history of elections it has only happened here and now in the 21st century in the US. Because I will truly support and elect those people who want to make sure that tax frauds go free, that corporations not only do not pay anything but get cutbacks because they need to make records profits each and every quarter. No, it makes no sense that all the lobbyists give money to those politicians to vote how and why they(the lobbyists) want. No, it can never happen here...

I still believe in :Flag:

No you don't. You think that just because you backed a man/party that is wanted to bring down everything representative of what that flag means. It is kinda hard to believe in the constitution when the party leader talks of removing that very document.

Tunaman

12-16-2022, 06:43 PM

Loguzzzzzz

12-16-2022, 06:57 PM

F U C K you Doug :thefinger:

So tired of your bull S H I T

ignoring now.....

Mods do what you got to do...

BigEvil

12-16-2022, 08:16 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3_nN0ERPL4

Nobody

12-16-2022, 11:51 PM

F U C K you Doug :thefinger:

So tired of your bull S H I T

ignoring now.....

Mods do what you got to do...

:rofl:

I love this. Supposedly, so smart, Supposedly so informed to what and how the world works yet, as soon as someone comes around and doesn't buy into what you are selling, you get so flustered that you just throw up your hands and toss out insults.

An informed person would back up what they believe in with facts and hard data that could not be refuted. But not here. If your position, or your party's policy was so sound that a neophyte like myself couldn't blow holes in it in such a way that you, a man of experience cannot pose any sort of argument to support what you spout and all you have to do is insult me. Yes, please give me more.

And why even think that Tuna or Beemer will do anything to you. They have already shown their biases. If they don't, then they are telling the entire forum, whoever is left that it is, do as I say and not as I do. You are not that niave to think that you will face any repercussions.

Nobody

12-16-2022, 11:53 PM

Now the retard in chief want to ban all vessels from florida to maine from going over 10 knots speed. What a bunch of morons we have running this administration. C'mon Nobody...lets hear your retort on this one. Save the whales:tard:

Where did you hear about this? Where are you getting your info about this? I haven't heard anything about it.

Tunaman

12-17-2022, 07:36 AM

Where did you hear about this? Where are you getting your info about this? I haven't heard anything about it.

Of course you havent heard about it. They dont talk about anything negative this administration does on CNN, ABC, NBC, MSDNC or the other marxist media outlets. Get out of your basement and watch the most watched news channel on the planet and you might learn something.

Nobody

12-17-2022, 07:39 AM

Now the retard in chief want to ban all vessels from florida to maine from going over 10 knots speed. What a bunch of morons we have running this administration. C'mon Nobody...lets hear your retort on this one. Save the whales:tard:

Ok, using a bit of google-fu, I found the article.

1. This was reported on or released by the White House, months ago. Any reason why you are mentioning it now?
2. The area is limited to Massachusetts, not Maine. Guessing the last time you were in school, Maine wasn't separated from Massachusetts yet.
3. There already is a limit on speeds for vessels, it is only extending them down to over 35'. Any vessels over 65' already have this restriction in place.
4. This is also to help save people's lives on boat strikes, in addition to trying to prevent needless deaths of the Right Whale.
5. From what I understand this is proposed and not mandatory yet. A law is proposed, it gets worked on, adjusted and changed, voted on by congress then adjusted again, changed(if need be), voted on by the Senate, then comes to the desk of POTUS and then only then, signed into law. It would have a long time to get there.
6. Through the NOAA and the people effected directly, they can then petition with new information, like how this law is more pointed at vessels with a 30' draft to be effected by, which no sport boat I am aware of has that much draft. So, it could very well be a narrowaw towards certain boats and not just anything 35' or longer.

So take your panties off and untwist them.

Most of this information was taken from the source article that foxnews used ,but somehow went into more depth other than their normal doomscoll headlines and hate speech.

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Of course you havent heard about it.

Maybe it doesn't effect me, is why I didn't hear about it.

They dont talk about anything negative this administration does on CNN, ABC, NBC, MSDNC or the other marxist media outlets.

Since you don't watch or read any of those sources, how would you know what they do or do not talk about? And being Marxists would mean that the people would have control of the business, and not the business owners. The people would be reporting on what effects the people, not whatever the bosses say to do.

Get out of your basement and watch the most watched news channel on the planet and you might learn something.

Popularity does not equal informative or even nonboased news. Once again, foxnews counts all subscriptions not people who are reportably actually watching it. So when you buy a TV viewing package, you are "subscribed" to foxnews, so they count all those people not the ones actually watching it. It os called how to lie with statistics. In other words, it is making all you foxnews addicts feel good about the tripe they feed you cause you need to be told on what and how to think.

Beemer

12-17-2022, 07:40 AM

And why even think that Tuna or Beemer will do anything to you. You are not that niave to think that you will face any repercussions.

Ok Mr Troll. what ever you say. You still don't and never will get it. I am sure he wont be whining about being banned like you.

Nobody

12-17-2022, 08:30 AM

Ok Mr Troll. what ever you say. You still don't and never will get it. I am sure he wont be whining about being banned like you.

Congrats, ya did your job as per the rules. Where should I send you your e-cookie?

pimped mag 01

12-18-2022, 12:00 PM

I love that Doug comes on threads, tries to be a bully then gets laughed off the thread and whines. About what I expect from somebody with cheese for a blood type and 5 booster shots :rofl:

BigEvil

12-18-2022, 07:39 PM

I love that Doug comes on threads, tries to be a bully then gets laughed off the thread and whines. About what I expect from somebody with cheese for a blood type and 5 booster shots :rofl:

Are signatures still a thing here? I think this is going in mine

Pyrate Jim

12-19-2022, 03:17 PM

So. Where are we?
Are all the results in by now some six weeks later, or is there still conflict in Az?

Last tallies I've seen give the House 221 Republican over 214 Democrat.
The Senate is 49 Republican, 47 Democrat and 3 Independent. Because the independents caucus with the Dems, they somehow maintain a majority status.

Is it that what you see is support of a man/party that wants to destroy democracy or is that you do not see how millions of Americans are preventing this from happening? So sorry that the system was set up to thwart a totalitarian regime from taking over.

Let me reply with another quote:

A constitutional republic, not a democracy.
The ideal of a democracy is universal equality, the ideal of a constitutional republic is individual liberty.
A democracy always degenerates into a dictatorship which promises government guaranteed equality and security, but it delivers nothing but poverty and serfdom for the people it robs and rules.
America was founded as a constitutional republic to safeguard the liberties of the people against the tyranny of democracy, or a one man dictatorship.
In this century great strides have been made toward the goal of subverting our republic into a democracy. The foremost tactic of the subverters is subversion of language. By calling America a democracy until people thoughtlessly accepts and use the term. The totalitarians have obscured the real meaning of our principles of government.
That was by former FBI agent Dan Smoot back in (I think) 1953 during the Joe McCarthy hearings.

Intelligent people know this. Have known it, not just 70 years ago from the quote, not when the founding fathers crafted the constitution to avoid it, all the way back to ancient Greece when Plato published his dialogues. Probably prior to that, so you're talking a couple thousand years.

But if somebody wants to support mob rule and some supposed "equality", I'd love to see it. But reality always gets in the way, doesn't it?

going_home

12-19-2022, 07:37 PM

But reality always gets in the way, doesn't it?

Reality never gets in his way.

If he can imagine it, he is convinced it must be true.

Nobody has a better imagination than somebody.......

:goodjob:

Nobody

12-19-2022, 10:18 PM

So. Where are we?
Are all the results in by now some six weeks later, or is there still conflict in Az?

There is always conflict when members of the GOP(or is just those MAGA individuals?) seem to never believe the results of an election when I goes against them. Something about not being able to smell the BS they are shoveling, but I digress. Suffice to say the red wave, hurricane, blood letting was but a pink mist, regardless of what everyone on whatever political news channel was touting.

Last tallies I've seen give the House 221 Republican over 214 Democrat.
The Senate is 49 Republican, 47 Democrat and 3 Independent. Because the independents caucus with the Dems, they somehow maintain a majority status.

So you don't like how individuals make their own decisions? Not very supporting of an individuals rights in how they wish to caucus. I am sure in history there have been independents that caucuses with whatever other party including the republicans.

I know, if you don't like how the rules are written, you can hold a vote for it. But alas, you won't seem to believe the results when they go against your preconceived results.

Let me reply with another quote:

That was by former FBI agent Dan Smoot back in (I think) 1953 during the Joe McCarthy hearings.

Tail-gunner Joe. Yes, let us not forget that McCarthy(a republican) was so set to find those boogeyman that where plotting to do nefarious things, i.e. naming a c4ime and finding people who fit in that box.

As for the notion, yes it is technically correct that we are not a democracy and are a democratic republic. So is it just the bad use of the word, democracy or do you wish to to hold to the exact definition of the word? I can see if you wish to go to that exacting notion, be used directly against those people who are talking about bad things like coups and murder of people.

Intelligent people know this. Have known it, not just 70 years ago from the quote, not when the founding fathers crafted the constitution to avoid it, all the way back to ancient Greece when Plato published his dialogues. Probably prior to that, so you're talking a couple thousand years.

I will blame the media for it. The need to get that sound bite, to push the biggest narrative with the least amount of words. And while every child in America who says the pledge of allegiance, they are not also taught what exactly that means. The GOP rails against material not taught in school, but they care not for what exactly IS taught in school. We say we a democracy, but live in a republic. So should we just keep the accepted narrative of our democratic name or always be so precise to be "That guy"?

To me it is more of the practice versus the actual governmental form. We in a democracy have rights and vote on them. That is the simplest way to describe the practice.

pimped mag 01

12-20-2022, 12:23 PM

I thought I was a retard but holy crap. You keep saying democracy when we are Republic and two you're still sitting here about election denial when all the stuff involving the Twitter files is coming out proving all of the election fraud and censorship going on. Like the FBI paying 3 and 1/2 million dollars to censor stories. But keep drinking that nacho cheese flavored Kool-Aid, luckily you did the smart thing and didn't breed.

Pyrate Jim

12-20-2022, 04:32 PM

And while every child in America who says the pledge of allegiance, they are not also taught what exactly that means. The GOP rails against material not taught in school, but they care not for what exactly IS taught in school. We say we a democracy, but live in a republic. So should we just keep the accepted narrative of our democratic name or always be so precise to be "That guy"?

To me it is more of the practice versus the actual governmental form. We in a democracy have rights and vote on them. That is the simplest way to describe the practice.
Interesting you bring in the pledge of allegiance. When was the last time you recited it?
It means exactly what it says. "I pledge allegiance to flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands."
The word "democracy" is not in the pledge. (Unless you're "that other guy")
Here in Va. our newly elected (R)Governor ran on the issue of what schools are teaching our kids. He has this idea that math, history and vocabulary are somehow a higher priority for seven year olds than is critical race theory or gender studies taught by drag queens. Voted in to represent the will of the majority of those who voted. Our Representative. (Represent the public ~ Republic...get it?)
These are the ones who vote to decide what rights are or are not allowed. It isn't folks like you or I. We don't get to vote on policy decisions made by representatives. All we can do is hope they vote according to our own personal preference, or at least keep campaign promises.

In a true democracy, everyone would be equal. Meaning that You, Me, everyone reading this, Nancy Pelosi, George Soros and Elon Musk would all have the same bank account balance.
I don't see that in real life, so it's not really a democracy, is it?
Accept reality as it is, not as you wish it to be.

Nobody

12-20-2022, 11:14 PM

Interesting you bring in the pledge of allegiance. When was the last time you recited it?

It was in the before time, at my last Union meeting. So 2019? When was the last time you did it?

It means exactly what it says. "I pledge allegiance to flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands."

Yes, and my point is, that in schools, we said those words, but we were not taught what they mean. He certainly why we are under the notion of democracy but live in a democratic republic. You can say the same towards England. They have a King, but they are a constitutional monarchy.

IThe word "democracy" is not in the pledge. (Unless you're "that other guy")

Never said it was. Merely using it to show that we know the word but are not taught what it means. Please reread what I wrote. You seem to mistake what you think I wrote with what I exactly wrote.

IHere in Va. our newly elected (R)Governor ran on the issue of what schools are teaching our kids. He has this idea that math, history and vocabulary are somehow a higher priority for seven year olds than is critical race theory or gender studies taught by drag queens.

Except for the fact that CRT was not taught in any school districts in Va or the USA. It was merely a thought experiment and not part of the curriculum. Andis a drag queen has the necessary teaching certs and is vetted by the board of teachers, why couldn't that person teach gender studies? Are you against the government telling a person what they can or can't do? Where is the personal freedom to do what they like on their own time?

Voted in to represent the will of the majority of those who voted. Our Representative. (Represent the public ~ Republic...get it?)

That is a stretch, IMO. But Va from what I understand does not like repeat governors, and what's his face did not run a better thought out campaign. But it's funny that you say to preserve rights but only some of those rights.

These are the ones who vote to decide what rights are or are not allowed. It isn't folks like you or I. We don't get to vote on policy decisions made by representatives. All we can do is hope they vote according to our own personal preference, or at least keep campaign promises.

It's not me, cause I don't live there. But you are wrong, you as, and I am assuming, live in that state and through your voting do get to decide what policies are or not inacted. It is a challenge, sure enough, but through private citizen means you can effect, if enough people agree with you, to put laws into action. You yourself, can even start at the local government levels are work your way up, or like some people, go right to the top, like the next governor or senator or representative. The only thing stopping you, is you.

In a true democracy, everyone would be equal. Meaning that You, Me, everyone reading this, Nancy Pelosi, George Soros and Elon Musk would all have the same bank account balance.

Equal rights does not equal equal bank accounts. That is a very communistic idea. Maybe you should stop listening to the people using all these trigger words and look up what they mean.

Besides a re free market economy means that anyone can make their fortune. It is when they monopolize a commodity, is where the government should come in a set things straight.

I don't see that in real life, so it's not really a democracy, is it?

Well, you are putting your trust in a fraud who uses all those trigger words about what you should hate, but yet turning you to exactly the point of everything that is wrong. 1 party and 1 leader is as fascist as it was in Italy in the 20s and Germany in the 30s and look at what happened to them.

IAccept reality as it is, not as you wish it to be.

What do you think I am doing? I am trying to show, not that I am right and you are wrong, but the truth of the matter. Not that my vision is clearer or my preferred shade of blue is better than yoir shade, but the fact that your eyes and your speech are two different things. A man who believes in democracy(even in electing representatives) does not say he would throw away the constitution, or even think, regardless of the evidence that if he looses it he was cheated but if he wins it is the will of the people.

So till you get up to even understanding the basics of what has happened, beyond the spindoctoring, beyond the warping of reality, that you and all the people here that can not accept what is the truth, that you will forever be blind to anything that is of your own reality.

going_home

12-21-2022, 10:49 PM

"the truth of the matter" has been given the light of day now that the twitter files have been released.

The unelected various government agencies (DOJ FBI CIA etc) chose the last president by rigging the election.

Rigged voting machines hooked to the internet, midnight roadside drop box ballot stuffing and "finding" hundreds of thousands of votes, changing the voter roles county by county, then changing them back after election day.....

Biden's bandanna republic.....

There is no way you can convince anyone otherwise now that this has all been made public, no matter how many paragraphs you post trying to dispute the proven facts.

People have seen the truth, its too late now.

https://media.tenor.com/lJkWw4FxeYkAAAAC/head-in-the-sand.gif

Nobody

12-22-2022, 01:25 AM

That is an interning narrative that you write. It almost sounds credible. It almost sounds like you have all your little duckies in a row, except for the proof. You can spin an elaborate story, linking all these things to each point that you wish to make, but where is that proof that it is true?

I wasn't going to, yet again tear apart your fable but so much to unpack, it only does justice to pick apart like a holiday turkey.

"the truth of the matter" has been given the light of day now that the twitter files have been released.

And it has been weeks since Musk released the files showing Hunter Biden naked(so many manly republicans all wish to see another man's genitals it is rather strange, but whatever floats your boat), which was going against twitters rules, hence why they pulled them and for what? Where is the proof,where is the super secrets that were revealed?

The unelected various government agencies (DOJ FBI CIA etc) chose the last president by rigging the election.

So in 2020 ,those agencies that were unaffected Der the tru.p administration, that were controlled by the trump government all conspired against the sitting president to not only loose their jobs, mostly, but to install a new administration that they were not apart of it? So all those administrations, in violation if their orders and jobs went to every election board, in the US to change the results, instead of doing their current jobs?

But I thought it was the work of Dominion election services? Or is it Hugo Chavez working with the Italians to flip every single vote?

Rigged voting machines hooked to the internet, midnight roadside drop box ballot stuffing and "finding" hundreds of thousands of votes, changing the voter roles county by county, then changing them back after election day.....

So, is it the trump admin that was rigging the election or is it this theory? I literally cannot keep up and it is even worse that by your own words, you can't even keep these stories straight.

If by any one thing that you say there is a mountain of evidence for, and since the republicans have all the only, why by God's good graces has not one person come forth to any sort of court, even a super majority SCOTUS, and brought forth this proponderous evidence proving to me and the rest of the world that you and your side is correct?

No, that will never happen. Because you are so brainwashed to believe that whatever they, foxnews, trump, your beliefs that no matter what the actual truth is, that if you do not get your way, it has to be a conspiracy and not the truth. You can never believe anything that does not or will not fit inside this tiny box and that is why you are laughed at.

Biden's bandanna republic.....

Opinion, so whatever.

There is no way you can convince anyone otherwise now that this has all been made public, no matter how many paragraphs you post trying to dispute the proven facts.

Nope, not going to try. My job is to prove you wrong with each and every ludicrous statement, like this one. You go off the rails in between sentences.

People have seen the truth, its too late now.

Yes, trump found a base of people who he could manipulate into whatever he wants, that looks not at what is behind him, but salivate at everything he lays down. So the real truth is not anything I believe in or stand for, but the mere fact that you are so gullible and pilant to whatever a con artist wants you to think.

pimped mag 01

12-22-2022, 07:29 AM

going_home

12-22-2022, 07:49 AM

That is an interning narrative that you write. It almost sounds credible. It almost sounds like you have all your little duckies in a row, except for the proof. You can spin an elaborate story, linking all these things to each point that you wish to make, but where is that proof that it is true?
I wasn't going to, yet again tear apart your fable but so much to unpack, it only does justice to pick apart like a holiday turkey.
And it has been weeks since Musk released the files showing Hunter Biden naked(so many manly republicans all wish to see another man's genitals it is rather strange, but whatever floats your boat), which was going against twitters rules, hence why they pulled them and for what? Where is the proof,where is the super secrets that were revealed?
So in 2020 ,those agencies that were unaffected Der the tru.p administration, that were controlled by the trump government all conspired against the sitting president to not only loose their jobs, mostly, but to install a new administration that they were not apart of it? So all those administrations, in violation if their orders and jobs went to every election board, in the US to change the results, instead of doing their current jobs?
But I thought it was the work of Dominion election services? Or is it Hugo Chavez working with the Italians to flip every single vote?
So, is it the trump admin that was rigging the election or is it this theory? I literally cannot keep up and it is even worse that by your own words, you can't even keep these stories straight.
If by any one thing that you say there is a mountain of evidence for, and since the republicans have all the only, why by God's good graces has not one person come forth to any sort of court, even a super majority SCOTUS, and brought forth this proponderous evidence proving to me and the rest of the world that you and your side is correct?
No, that will never happen. Because you are so brainwashed to believe that whatever they, foxnews, trump, your beliefs that no matter what the actual truth is, that if you do not get your way, it has to be a conspiracy and not the truth. You can never believe anything that does not or will not fit inside this tiny box and that is why you are laughed at.
Opinion, so whatever.
Nope, not going to try. My job is to prove you wrong with each and every ludicrous statement, like this one. You go off the rails in between sentences.
Yes, trump found a base of people who he could manipulate into whatever he wants, that looks not at what is behind him, but salivate at everything he lays down. So the real truth is not anything I believe in or stand for, but the mere fact that you are so gullible and pilant to whatever a con artist wants you to think.

https://media.tenor.com/lJkWw4FxeYkAAAAC/head-in-the-sand.gif

BigEvil

12-23-2022, 10:16 AM

Bro the proof is all there. The fact that you refuse to see it just shows how bad your TDS is. There's nothing worse than people like you who think they're intellectuals but are barely capable of anything more than a menial government job. The fact that you think the government is a good and honest thing shows how truly retarded you are. Also please stop projecting your homosexual fantasies on all of us. We know how you're all about drag queen story time and sexualizing kids.

Wait, the govt is NOT A GOOD THING?!?! OH MY LAWDY!!!!!

BTW, in case someone missed it, the Trump admin was in NO WAY in control of the FBI, or the DOJ . This much has already been proven. Again, you cant see it with your head up your own ass, but nonetheless, doesn't make it any less true.

Moderators, can we please make a new rule against allowing Nobody to project his homosexual fantasies on us?

Nobody

12-23-2022, 04:12 PM

Wait, the govt is NOT A GOOD THING?!?! OH MY LAWDY!!!!!

BTW, in case someone missed it, the Trump admin was in NO WAY in control of the FBI, or the DOJ . This much has already been proven. Again, you cant see it with your head up your own ass, but nonetheless, doesn't make it any less true.

Moderators, can we please make a new rule against allowing Nobody to project his homosexual fantasies on us?

Oh ya, you're right. I totally forgot the rules on if it is good for you, it was yours. But when it isn't, it is the other guy's fault.

Win an election, you are good. Loose an election, the other guy's cheated.
Economy good, policy win. Economy bad, you were sabotaged.
Foreign policy works, you're smart. Foreign policy bad, the other people let you down.

Yes, thank you for the reminder. Any wonder why and hopefully the walls are closing in on this criminal behavior.

Pyrate Jim

12-25-2022, 02:17 PM

Merry Christmas, One and all!

pimped mag 01

01-05-2023, 01:58 PM

103434

Cope harder Captain cheeseburger. PS, Merry Christmas belated Jim

Pyrate Jim

01-05-2023, 05:44 PM

Nobody

01-05-2023, 11:35 PM

From today...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-admin-quietly-admits-canceling-keystone-xl-pipeline-cost-thousands-of-jobs-billions-of-dollars/ar-AA160NaD?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=5cd1bc7039f64bf19a9f3a2123b9da4f

I see a lot of would haves and possible in that hit piece from foxnews. And I do love how it said that he crushed the oil companies dreams for a woke energy agenda, which is kinda exactly what he said he would do, push alternatives to energy going away from oil.

So it never changed anything, but yet those on the right, buoyed by Big Oil have failed to understand the simplest of ideas, in that a pipeline only moves a liquid, like oil from point A to point B. It never talks about where that oil would go to, or why the pipeline was wanted/needed. It wouldn't have helped with any of the petrol problems from earlier this year, as how I read it, it would open up in 2023.

Besides, isn't petrol prices back down to where they were before inflation? Haven't seen anyone crying about the price of go-go juice lately.

pimped mag 01

01-06-2023, 05:42 AM

Fuel prices are nowhere near what they were before the Biden inflation you retarded cheeseburger

luke

01-06-2023, 10:56 AM

isn't petrol prices back down to where they were before inflation? Haven't seen anyone crying about the price of go-go juice lately.

:rofl: gas was $1.89 under trump

pimped mag 01

01-06-2023, 11:44 AM

:rofl: gas was $1.89 under trump

All of those years of working for the bridge commission and huffing those vehicle fumes have really taken their toll on his last two brain cells. It's why have a hard time taking anything he says seriously.

Nobody

01-06-2023, 12:54 PM

:rofl: gas was $1.89 under trump

That was the lowest price but not the average cost(it actually reached $1.78 in January 2016 and $2.88 in April of 2019) as per US Energy Information Agency, an independent reporting group. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W

Also, I stated before inflation, not the all time lowest. Since you want to cherry pick wild guess, I would rather bring back the Clintons and their $1.00 average in Jan 94.

pimped mag 01

01-06-2023, 01:04 PM

That was the lowest price but not the average cost(it actually reached $1.78 in January 2016 and $2.88 in April of 2019) as per US Energy Information Agency, an independent reporting group. https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W

Also, I stated before inflation, not the all time lowest. Since you want to cherry pick wild guess, I would rather bring back the Clintons and their $1.00 average in Jan 94.

No wonder all you can do is make change on a bridge, you mention inflation then have no idea how it works. And if you're going to "cherry pick" why wouldn't you go back when gas was 30 cents? How strong was the dollar then versus now? Also diesel is still 4.79 retard, must be using that same math they used to count votes in our "democracy" :rofl:

BigEvil

01-06-2023, 01:44 PM

:rofl: gas was $1.89 under trump

It was $1.69 when I moved to God's great land of Texas in Oct of 20. It briefly dropped to approx $1.55. It is $2.89 here today.

Loguzzzzzz

01-06-2023, 02:01 PM

It was $1.69 when I moved to God's great land of Texas in Oct of 20. It briefly dropped to approx $1.55. It is $2.89 here today.

Still AVERAGE $4+ Here in Commiefornia....

I know Doug, not your problem because it doesn't directly affect you!

F&$%king ASS-HAT

Nobody

01-06-2023, 09:29 PM

No wonder all you can do is make change on a bridge, you mention inflation then have no idea how it works. don't need to make change, not with ez passAnd if you're going to "cherry pick" why wouldn't you go back when gas was 30 cents? because my point was to show that luke was wrong on his assumption How strong was the dollar then versus now? not the point, as i was not quoting the global market, merely the exact average of gas cost, per this questionAlso diesel is still 4.79 retard, must be using that same math they used to count votes in our "democracy" :rofl: the average cost, which i assume is for both diesel and gasoline, though i could be wrong is the average price. If you wanted an exact breakdown of diesel, high tedt, mid grade, E70 and all the different fuels, then ask it. Would take some digging but i guess your math class in your remedial classes, the ones with the stubby scissors, didn't go over averages.

Still AVERAGE $4+ Here in Commiefornia....

I know Doug, not your problem because it doesn't directly affect you!

F&$%king ASS-HAT

Nope, doesn't effect me in the least. Guess you have to pay extra for living in the utopia of the left coast. Maybe you can get an electric car, or maybe hold out for some of the newer hydrogen based vehicles. That would mean you would have to give up the notion of drilling for more oil gives you energy independence, when true independence means you don't need that which is being taxed. Silly me

pimped mag 01

01-06-2023, 09:55 PM

Nope, doesn't effect me in the least. Guess you have to pay extra for living in the utopia of the left coast. Maybe you can get an electric car, or maybe hold out for some of the newer hydrogen based vehicles. That would mean you would have to give up the notion of drilling for more oil gives you energy independence, when true independence means you don't need that which is being taxed. Silly me

Utopia of the left coast?? I knew you were into pedophilia, then again not surprised from someone who thinks electric vehicles are the future

Nobody

01-07-2023, 06:31 AM

Utopia of the left coast?? I knew you were into pedophilia, then again not surprised from someone who thinks electric vehicles are the future

What da hell? I am not Christian and not a tree jumper. How you can equate my sarcasm at calling California a utopia to anything is a huge stretch, but I guess if I use big words that you don't understand anything can happen. Like it or not, more car companies are making more models of cars. While I do not agree that they are the best step, they are the future.

Scrappy doo, do not drink the bong water. It is not good for you.

pimped mag 01

01-07-2023, 11:15 AM

What da hell? I am not Christian and not a tree jumper. How you can equate my sarcasm at calling California a utopia to anything is a huge stretch, but I guess if I use big words that you don't understand anything can happen. Like it or not, more car companies are making more models of cars. While I do not agree that they are the best step, they are the future.

Scrappy doo, do not drink the bong water. It is not good for you.

Please don't try to be funny it's extra cringy from what you normally are. I mean you've already admitted your job is so menial that you could be replaced by robots, which you basically have and you can't figure out that energy independence means independence from other countries and not tax. But being a lifelong government employee you never set your sites really high for achievement. And judging by the **** you're into I say California is an absolute mecca for someone like you. I'm just happy you had slow swimmers and couldn't reproduce because if your bloodline kept going on it would be scary. I'm trying to figure out why you're even on this forum. Considering AGD is a small business and you're all about the big guy I figured you'd just stick on pbnation

BigEvil

01-07-2023, 01:33 PM

Please don't try to be funny it's extra cringy from what you normally are. I mean you've already admitted your job is so menial that you could be replaced by robots, which you basically have and you can't figure out that energy independence means independence from other countries and not tax. But being a lifelong government employee you never set your sites really high for achievement. And judging by the **** you're into I say California is an absolute mecca for someone like you. I'm just happy you had slow swimmers and couldn't reproduce because if your bloodline kept going on it would be scary. I'm trying to figure out why you're even on this forum. Considering AGD is a small business and you're all about the big guy I figured you'd just stick on pbnation

:D Call from Topgun used to tell Doug all the time he could be replaced by a bucket. Hence, the name "Mr. Bucket" was coined. Just an FYI.

damn I miss Topgun :(

...and waking up to a dozen mean tweats crapping all over the lefties....

...and filling my gas tank for $19.......

....and a dozen eggs for $1.99.....

...and mothers being able to buy baby formula....

....and being able to get children's Advil and Tylenol ... :(

pimped mag 01

01-07-2023, 01:41 PM

:D Call from Topgun used to tell Doug all the time he could be replaced by a bucket. Hence, the name "Mr. Bucket" was coined. Just an FYI.

damn I miss Topgun :(

...and waking up to a dozen mean tweats crapping all over the lefties....

...and filling my gas tank for $19.......

....and a dozen eggs for $1.99.....

...and mothers being able to buy baby formula....

....and being able to get children's Advil and Tylenol ... :(

Mr bucket :rofl: oh I love you guys hahaha

luke

01-07-2023, 01:59 PM

Miss paying
....and a dozen eggs for $1.99

I paid $16 for two dozen eggs last night.

Beemer

01-07-2023, 05:34 PM

^^^^Where you at? $5.00 dozen here. Chicago burbs

luke

01-07-2023, 06:36 PM

Arizona

maniacmechanic

01-08-2023, 10:44 AM

going_home

01-08-2023, 04:05 PM

Stop picking on the fat guy !

I can say that because I'm one too (but I'm trying to quit).....

:beemmeup:

Nobody

01-09-2023, 02:22 AM

Oil Wells , folks always talking about gettin rid of Oil ,,,,,, Look around , Look at everything you touch , and then think , does that have oil or oil byproducts in it or was oil used in the manufacturing process , unless we want to go back to the dark ages ,,,, We will Always be usin Oil

No one is talking about getting rid of oil, far from it. What the right is trying to do is to misinform you to the fact that, 1) oil is the only energy source, 2) oil is infinite, which it isn't, 3) that if we stop using oil for energy and fuel, it means we will stop using oil period.

You are absolutely correct, that we use a lot of materials and products derived from oil. The key is, because we have a finite amount in the world, the less we use it for energy and for fuel, that longer that resource lasts. It also means that we can have a cleaner world. Alternative fuel sources also will mean that you won't have embargoes and price hikes against you.

Tunaman

01-09-2023, 03:21 PM

No one is talking about getting rid of oil, far from it. What the right is trying to do is to misinform you to the fact that, 1) oil is the only energy source, 2) oil is infinite, which it isn't, 3) that if we stop using oil for energy and fuel, it means we will stop using oil period.

You are absolutely correct, that we use a lot of materials and products derived from oil. The key is, because we have a finite amount in the world, the less we use it for energy and for fuel, that longer that resource lasts. It also means that we can have a cleaner world. Alternative fuel sources also will mean that you won't have embargoes and price hikes against you.Yes they are talking about it. Your so called president said he wants to ban all fossil fuels. Man cannot change the climate...no matter how hard they try. You believing they can is typical sheep fodder. Keep believing what they tell you. You'll go far in life.:tard:

Pyrate Jim

01-09-2023, 03:51 PM

maniacmechanic

01-09-2023, 04:33 PM

Cooking with gas?
Not for much longer...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/biden-administration-considers-banning-gas-stoves-over-health-concerns/ar-AA168s1p?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=3535a0362eaa4c08a967004822285038

Now this right here is fcn Idiocy at its best , about 40% of folks cook with and a Large %age of restaurants use gas , In West Virginia 40% of folks use gas for heat

Pyrate Jim

01-09-2023, 08:10 PM

Idiocracy at its best?
Hold this beer.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-s-worst-nightmare-aoc-runs-against-him-in-2024/ar-AA1698Q1?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=f2c6e029da334810a53542803ff0de65

Nobody

01-09-2023, 09:14 PM

Yes they are talking about it. Your so called president said he wants to ban all fossil fuels.

Exactly, fossil fuels. Fuel to power our energy needs. Fuel to move our vehicles. That fuel.

Man cannot change the climate...no matter how hard they try.

Man changes everything they touch. Pouring pollutants into the water makes it undrinkable. Ask the people of Flint Michigan. How about why you never ate the seafood out of the Hudson River? Or why pregnant women should not eat seafood. Is it because of the high levels of mercury or is it a conspiracy to get people to not support the fishermen?

You believing they can is typical sheep fodder. Keep believing what they tell you. You'll go far in life.:tard:

Well, you keep believing everything that your side tells you, verbatim. Take a look in the mirror. Have you ever had a original thought about anything?

Pyrate Jim

01-09-2023, 11:24 PM

Exactly, fossil fuels. Fuel to power our energy needs. Fuel to move our vehicles. That fuel.
Fuel required to power the manufacturing needed to build windmills and solar panels.

Nobody

01-10-2023, 12:23 AM

Fuel required to power the manufacturing needed to build windmills and solar panels.

And?

Ford doesn't keep building the model T just because it was made before the model A.

And no one says that to build anything does not require some .odicum of oil. The key is, as you more solar and wind power systems, for example, the more you can supplement the current systems till you can then supplant the old systems with the new ones.

You also then, not only make oil for energy a dead commodity, but also save that finite resource, thus when the next oil crisis happens, you will not care about the prices at the pump, nor be bothered about the skyrocketing costs to heat your home.

pimped mag 01

01-11-2023, 07:37 AM

pimped mag 01

01-11-2023, 12:00 PM

What's the difference between conspiracy theories and the mainstream media? About 6 months to a year.

103438

Pyrate Jim

01-11-2023, 07:43 PM

14,000 hours at 40 hours a week is just under seven years.

maniacmechanic

01-12-2023, 09:43 AM

14,000 hours at 40 hours a week is just under seven years.

LOL , amazing how fast gubment works

BigEvil

01-12-2023, 11:49 AM

Mr bucket, do you know why they call them fossil fuels? And if you answer because it comes from dinosaurs you truly are retarded as I think you are. I'm also trying to figure out what oil crisis you're talking about. Do you mean the manufactured shortages that have not only happened this year but in the past? I'm sure you love rare earth metal mines because they're not in your backyard but becoming energy dependent on another country seems like a very good idea I guess in your eyes. Kind of like how you have a mouth for war with Ukraine but your fat ass I doubt can even do three push-ups. I'm guessing since your wife cucks you that's why you like this board so much since you're constantly getting it here too. 103437

OOPS!! Looks like they found even MORE!!! IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION!!

Just a reminder,

The President is the ultimate authority as to what is classified and what is not. He can say "Poof" and something is unclassified.

The vice president DOES NOT HAVE THIS AUTHORITY.

Neither does the secretary of State

-REMINDER-
Hilldawg aka Hillary Clinton was also found with CLASSIFIED documents in her possession!

WHEN ARE THE PRE-DAWN FBI RAIDS ??!??!?!!

BigEvil

01-12-2023, 12:00 PM

IN HIS GARAGE!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/12/joe-biden-admits-classified-documents-found-in-his-garage-next-to-corvette/

Pyrate Jim

01-12-2023, 01:44 PM

Next to His Corvette.
Is that an Electric Corvette?

<edit to add>
Better question, does that garage even have an E.V. charging port?
Seems pretty hypocritical for a man who promises to wipe out oil dependance.

Tunaman

01-12-2023, 01:45 PM

IN HIS GARAGE!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/12/joe-biden-admits-classified-documents-found-in-his-garage-next-to-corvette/

but they were "next to my Corvette" so that makes it ok. Only morons would vote for this...and they did.

Nobody

01-12-2023, 02:42 PM

14,000 hours at 40 hours a week is just under seven years.

Yes, it's not like there is just 1 person, it's not like they have staff to look at it, nor is this from multiple cameras running at the same time nor is this from people outside the government that had recordings subpoena.

Cause every director of any film/show/movie, does exactly the run time. 2 hour movie, only 2 hours shot. Anything more is wastedful.

OOPS!! Looks like they found even MORE!!! IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION!!

Just a reminder,

The President is the ultimate authority as to what is classified and what is not. He can say "Poof" and something is unclassified. that is not how government works and if you think, then you are a moron.

The vice president DOES NOT HAVE THIS AUTHORITY. and you are right. Anyone caught with secret documents should be prosecuted.

Neither does the secretary of State

-REMINDER-
Hilldawg aka Hillary Clinton was also found with CLASSIFIED documents in her possession! except she wasn't nor was it found she had. Private servers like Ivanka, yup. Multiple phones, just like most of the ex-president staff, yup. So are you saying that if Hillary should be prosecuted, then so do all the other people who mimicked her actions?

WHEN ARE THE PRE-DAWN FBI RAIDS ??!??!?!!

the big difference was. Biden staff found these papers, reported them to NARA, did searches to find more, and did. They worked with the agencies on how to return the papers. I would wager that these papers, while still secret, were not that important, since they don't seem to have been missed

Let'ssee what trulp did. Pack a huge bunch of papers. NARA said that you have some things. Trump denied, obfuscated and delayed for 6 months. NARA co tinu3d to state that you had them and to be returned. Some papers were eventually returned, but more were kept, after lawyers signed affidavits stating that all papers were returned, NARA proved otherwise, resulting in a warrant, were some 300 individual documents that were labeled.

A huge difference. So are you on the side that Biden should be charged like tru.p or do you think presidential authority is absolute?

Next to His Corvette.
Is that an Electric Corvette?

<edit to add>
Better question, does that garage even have an E.V. charging port?
Seems pretty hypocritical for a man who promises to wipe out oil dependance.

Since former president ts are legally not allowed to drive vehicles on public roads, the amount of emissions that the Corvette emits is probably much less than a week of normal presidential transport.

but they were "next to my Corvette" so that makes it ok. Only morons would vote for this...and they did.

No it doesn't. While the importance of the papers, I would venture is low, since it took the Biden staff this long to find them and report them to NARA, cause NARA didn't know they were missing.

But are you willing to support prosecution of Biden but not trump?

Pyrate Jim

01-12-2023, 03:54 PM

But are you willing to support prosecution of Biden but not trump?
Are you supporting prosecution of Trump, but not Biden?
Both are guilty of a crime that has gone on with many if not every President that has served.
Biden, Trump, Obama, the Clintons...They found "classified" documents of Abraham Lincolns' some 50 years after his assassination.
So the history of missing "classified" documents is long, wide and varied and so ubiquitous in US politics that it has inspired movie tropes.
In movies, the bad guys get what they deserve. Have you seen the movie "Wag the Dog"?
It isn't about documents. It's about what is going on behind the paper.

Try this one.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-having-classified-files-isn-t-the-real-scandal-edward-snowden-says/ar-AA16gL8W?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=7b323ed8a3af4831a08cd16c608fdcc4

BigEvil

01-12-2023, 04:33 PM

Doug, you are an idiot. The president is the ultimate authority on what is classified and what is not. He has unilateral authority to classify and declassify at his discression. Keep thinking otherwise baffoon.

Sent from my SM-S901U using Tapatalk

Pyrate Jim

01-12-2023, 05:53 PM

I meant to ask about this and forgot.

Yes, it's not like there is just 1 person, it's not like they have staff to look at it, nor is this from multiple cameras running at the same time nor is this from people outside the government that had recordings subpoena.

Cause every director of any film/show/movie, does exactly the run time. 2 hour movie, only 2 hours shot. Anything more is wastedful.

So, the Director tells his staff what to do. What to leave in and what ends up on the cutting room floor because He likes it or not.
Almost a parable of the censorship and content suppression we are currently seeing from names known by 3 letters.

Pyrate Jim

01-12-2023, 06:59 PM

Nobody

01-12-2023, 07:32 PM

And a third strike.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-team-informs-doj-of-third-classified-document-discovery/ar-AA16hNJC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=05eb09616cd846ea9cb73dc8f8b90b0f

Why are they shoving this is our face? What are we supposed to be distracted from?

If they(whomever you want to put aas they; the white house, Biden admin, the government, etc), were to not disclose this information, then you would be igniting it was a cover up, they would have to be hiding it. But if they disclose this, like they are, you are now complaining that this is a distraction from the supposed truth.

One thing is certain, and I will reiterate, that the information being found, while still carrying the classified classification, was not missed all that much. It could very well be that since the previous admin was so poor in their handling and support of NARA, that a cleaning up and organization of everything was needed, the main point is still the Biden team is finding this, bri going it to attention and returning these documents without requests,, without delay and without subpoenas and raids uncovering fair more information than what was being asked for.

Win for Biden, yet another loss for the looser in chief, Florida don

Pyrate Jim

01-12-2023, 08:56 PM

Win for Biden, yet another loss for the looser in chief, Florida don
You are so comical! Like an ostrich with its head in the sand trying to forecast the coming storm you're hiding from.
If you look up, you'll see it coming.

Nobody

01-13-2023, 12:00 AM

You are so comical! Like an ostrich with its head in the sand trying to forecast the coming storm you're hiding from.
If you look up, you'll see it coming.

There is no storm, unless you believe in climate change and that man can change this earth we are on...

Both people are wrong for what they did. One person is returning the documents without being forced to by subpoena or by some measure, armed raid violating some principle. The other lied about having them, obfuscated there location, delayed and dismissed all proper procedures to return them, held them in near open access, ,in a resort without security and is still fighting about having them.

But the real question is, is these now found documents a result of the incompetence or dementia, the lack of cognitive acuity or is this just hopeful insurance that was going to be used to spring Hunter Biden when he is set to be executed for his apparent illegal behavior as the spy in chief? Come on tell us all...

pimped mag 01

01-13-2023, 05:52 AM

There is no storm, unless you believe in climate change and that man can change this earth we are on...

Both people are wrong for what they did. One person is returning the documents without being forced to by subpoena or by some measure, armed raid violating some principle. The other lied about having them, obfuscated there location, delayed and dismissed all proper procedures to return them, held them in near open access, ,in a resort without security and is still fighting about having them.

But the real question is, is these now found documents a result of the incompetence or dementia, the lack of cognitive acuity or is this just hopeful insurance that was going to be used to spring Hunter Biden when he is set to be executed for his apparent illegal behavior as the spy in chief? Come on tell us all...

I'm surprised you can breathe with the democrats dick so far down your throat. Also you never answered the question about oil Doug. I remember my buddy in high school did his senior paper on life after the oil crash when that was supposed to happen in the early 2000s. And guess what it never happened. The '70s oil crunch was a manufactured shortage. I know you are a "The science is settled" kind of guy, but why do some of these oil reservoirs keep filling back up? Why do we still not know definitively how oil is made. Or that there are multiple ways for oil to be produced in nature. Your electric dream is a fugazi and the fact that you keep believing in it is even funnier.

pimped mag 01

01-13-2023, 07:47 AM

14,000 hours at 40 hours a week is just under seven years.

Just let the autists on 4chan get a hold of them. Probably in two weeks after the footage is released I bet they have time stamps and everything. But you can't reason with someone like Doug and that's why I talk to him the way I do. I almost feel sorry for him, so upset and angry at everything the TV tells him to be, 45 going on 70 and a menial government job that teaches him not to question.

Pyrate Jim

01-13-2023, 09:25 PM

But the real question is, is these now found documents a result of the incompetence or dementia, the lack of cognitive acuity or is this just hopeful insurance that was going to be used to spring Hunter Biden when he is set to be executed for his apparent illegal behavior as the spy in chief? Come on tell us all...
What if I were to say that the sudden release of multiple newly found documents were a precursor to the Dems pulling Biden out of the White House?
Why?
Get him out on a small crime rather than suffer the big one. Even the Democrats can see the storm coming. They are just trying to get out of the way.
It's their "Hopeful Insurance" to save themselves when Hunter Biden (and Family) gets thrown under a bus.

Pyrate Jim

01-13-2023, 09:33 PM

But you can't reason with someone like Doug and that's why I talk to him the way I do. I almost feel sorry for him, so upset and angry at everything the TV tells him to be, 45 going on 70 and a menial government job that teaches him not to question.

Be honest. You talk because it's fun. It helps create comedy. Why else would anyone respond to a participant who posts like a hog farmer from Arkansaw with the I.Q. of a sweet potato?

Nobody

01-13-2023, 10:45 PM

Be honest. You talk because it's fun. It helps create comedy. Why else would anyone respond to a participant who posts like a hog farmer from Arkansaw with the I.Q. of a sweet potato?

As opposed to persons who point fingers about being sheep following the one word, but yet are exactly what they preach against?

Hog farmers are smart. They raise pigs and pigs are pork. Breakfast, lunch and dinner can be had from them pigs. Put I to the hands of someone like Pillage and that pork becomes heaven sent.

But if I were to compare myself to all that are here, I will be blissfully ignorant and happy. I love the hypocrisy of actually thinking for myself and then mocked for following the herd and not thi king. I see no one else here for the most part(as they are truly smarter and have left or have simply avoided this poo-poo fest), which tells me that I am not following anyone. I echo nothing, though it always seems to be pointed out by people who would never be caught dead watching all those lefty channels, that I seem to get my material from them word for word.

maniacmechanic

01-14-2023, 10:33 AM

as opposed to persons who point fingers about being sheep following the one word, but yet are exactly what they preach against?

Hog farmers are smart. They raise pigs and pigs are pork. Breakfast, lunch and dinner can be had from them pigs. Put i to the hands of someone like pillage and that pork becomes heaven sent.

But if i were to compare myself to all that are here, i will be blissfully ignorant and happy. I love the hypocrisy of actually thinking for myself and then mocked for following the herd and not thi king. I see no one else here for the most part(as they are truly smarter and have left or have simply avoided this poo-poo fest), which tells me that i am not following anyone. I echo nothing, though it always seems to be pointed out by people who would never be caught dead watching all those lefty channels, that i seem to get my material from them word for word.

rotflmao

Pyrate Jim

01-14-2023, 12:00 PM

A word salad worthy of Joe Bidens teleprompter.

BigEvil

01-15-2023, 11:47 AM

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Pyrate Jim

01-15-2023, 05:10 PM

Since former president ts are legally not allowed to drive vehicles on public roads, the amount of emissions that the Corvette emits is probably much less than a week of normal presidential transport.

Number one; If He's not allowed to drive it, why bother to own it? Maybe Hunter drives it around searching for parmesan cheese.
(After all, Hunter did claim He owned the house, and was paying $50k a year in rent ~ a statement that is a contradiction in itself since when you "own" you don't pay rent, you pay a mortgage. Unless perhaps you're laundering money.)

Number two; You are comparing the emissions of Air Force One and the Presidents entire entourage of security and reporters... To a Corvette the owner is not allowed to drive? And knowing the difference makes you look smart?

:stick:

Nobody

01-15-2023, 09:44 PM

Number one; If He's not allowed to drive it, why bother to own it? Maybe Hunter drives it around searching for parmesan cheese.

You can't put a price on centimentaily. It is his, why should he give it up? Maybe that will be his grand children's inherentance. Maybe Hunter will get it when he can prove not to sell it for crack. Maybe, just maybe his wife drives it to her job. But more importantly, why does it matter to you what he does with it? It doesn't effect you in the very least.

(After all, Hunter did claim He owned the house, and was paying $50k a year in rent ~ a statement that is a contradiction in itself since when you "own" you don't pay rent, you pay a mortgage. Unless perhaps you're laundering money.)

No offense, why do you want to believe anything that a self proclaimed crackhead says? And if there was the possibility, more than accusation without foundation, of money laundering, you would think that someone who could examine POTUS' taxes could find it, but no. It is easy to point the finger without evidence than to do the work of actually finding any hard evidence.

Number two; You are comparing the emissions of Air Force One and the Presidents entire entourage of security and reporters... To a Corvette the owner is not allowed to drive? And knowing the difference makes you look smart?

:stick:

Yes, since he doesn't drive it often, and him owning it means nothing. He can take it to any private land and drive it when and where he wants it. Dunya drives on his ranch, the Clintons I am sure drive to their secret cabals on the private lands of the illuminati. And yes he can be a hypocrite as I am sure that many Corvette owners would be appalled if he gutted a perfectly, and I assume, matching numbers vetted just so he can put a battery and motor in it.

But is it much more the hypocrite to push no fossil fuels but own a gas guzzler than it is to say you pay taxes and would prosecute people who steal secret documents but then lie about both those facts?

going_home

01-19-2023, 07:43 AM

Dunya drives on his ranch, the Clintons I am sure drive to their secret cabals on the private lands of the illuminati.

Do tell.....

Pyrate Jim

01-20-2023, 09:22 AM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-boston-more-illegal-biden-papers-found-in-scv/ar-AA16yuLz?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=2425879b303249a3be295488288adc53

:rofl:

Nobody

01-20-2023, 02:39 PM

Yes that was funny. I loved how they say he was allegedly the vice president. Not even the twice impeached former president can say he was allegedly scamming the entire nation for 8 years, nevertheless 4 years.

going_home

01-20-2023, 07:05 PM

He is allegedly president.

He got them thru the mid terms without too much flatulation.

But now his own ''dont look here nothing to see'' lame stream media are reporting on him, the files, and Hunter as though they now have new talking points.

Something smells fishy in Denmark....

It seems as though Barry no longer trusts him to say what he's told and stay between the lines.

I'm going to surmise here that all this stuff was planted like chum in the water to get him impeached so they can have incompetent buffoon Kamala Harris finish the term,

and then Michael Obama to run against orange man......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mwJWH8mWhA

About a week later she died in a routine outpatient procedure.....

:nicethread:

Nobody

01-20-2023, 07:56 PM

He is allegedly president. Except for the 64 court cases saying that the other guy didn't have any proof to his allegations and Biden had more votes than him. Other than that, you're right

He got them thru the mid terms without too much flatulation. He is near 80. I kinda expect flatulation.

But now his own ''dont look here nothing to see'' lame stream media are reporting on him, the files, and Hunter as though they now have new talking points. so if they talk about him, it is too much and if they don't, then it's never enough? When you come to a point, can you clarify?

Something smells fishy in Denmark.... didn't trump try to buy that? Lol

It seems as though Barry no longer trusts him to say what he's told and stay between the lines. Obama isn't president, but if that were true, then wouldn't the things that Obama tells Biden would get him elected to a 2nd term? Trump couldn't even do that correct.

I'm going to surmise here that all this stuff was planted like chum in the water to get him impeached so they can have incompetent buffoon Kamala Harris finish the term, that would be a convenient excuse, except for the facts of not having a majority in the senate, termoil in the house, because the GOP there will vote against what McCarthy wants and vote vote for what McCarthy doesn'twant. And no one plants something that wouldget them impeached, they try to hide that. Since the Biden admin has been forthwith what they can say, you have no leg to stand on.

and then Michael Obama to run against orange man...... well, i don't see that happenijg as Michelle Obama does not come off as having political aspirations but if you want Michelle to be the 1st black woman in charge, who i am i to say no?

About a week later she died in a routine outpatient procedure..... and yet people routinely die from routine procedures all the time. Go figure. It is why anytime you go under the knife ,you have a chance to die.

:nicethread:

cause i am bored

going_home

01-21-2023, 09:11 AM

cause i am bored

I am not.

My point was, it looks to me like his own people are doing this to get rid of him......

Nobody

01-21-2023, 12:58 PM

I am not.

My point was, it looks to me like his own people are doing this to get rid of him......

Tbat is your opinion, and what you think and what is a fact of the matter are 2 entirely different things. This is a paintball board, and politics does not belong here. With that said, since you can not understand the policies of both sides equally and unbiasedly, you are a poor judge to determine what is actually going on in the current administration. As for release of information, i.e. reporting on found documents, it is simply openness towards accountability. Documents where found outside of authoritive houses, and the Biden team is not only announcing them but also working with NARA to return them. This is in contrast to ignoring calls from NARA for them, lying about having them, returning a portion of them delaying any return of them till NARA had to get warrants to search and recover far more than was being requested for.

With that, by your estimation, your assessment is a poor run house, but since you think up is down and wrong is right, your opinion means less than nothing. You can't be unbiased and already prejudiced everything the current admin does, without understanding any of its merits. While biased opinions have a place, this is not a place for it.

going_home

01-21-2023, 07:50 PM

while biased opinions have a place, this is not a place for it.

lol

You have nothing to say for the last year in numerous threads, some now locked, but your biased opinion....and now hey what about the rulezzzz

:Rulez:

Pyrate Jim

01-21-2023, 09:10 PM

This is a paintball board, and politics does not belong here. {} While biased opinions have a place, this is not a place for it.

Let's take a look at that, shall we?
This is post #195. 13 members have posted.

Vintage - 1 post
Pillage - 1
mps18 - 3
Luke - 3
maniacmechanic - 7
Beemer - 10
Big Evil - 11
Tunaman - 11
pimpedmag - 15
Loguzzzz - 16
goinghome - 17
Pyrate 42 (now 43)
nobody - 57 posts

Need I point out that for someone who claims this is not the place for political discussion or biased opinion, you are the driving force ~ You generate more of it than anyone else here. More than double anyone but myself.
Don't hurt yourself, big guy.

Nobody

01-22-2023, 12:19 AM

lol

You have nothing to say for the last year in numerous threads, some now locked, but your biased opinion....and now hey what about the rulezzzz

:Rulez:

But I never started any threads in question. Others have gone against the rules and posted questionable content and the mods seem to turn a blind eye to it. While it is interpretation, I feel that when the flood gates were opened the. The rules don't mean anything.so posting in an open thread is not going against any rules as it seemed that the mods allowed it.

Let's take a look at that, shall we?
This is post #195. 13 members have posted.

Vintage - 1 post
Pillage - 1
mps18 - 3
Luke - 3
maniacmechanic - 7
Beemer - 10
Big Evil - 11
Tunaman - 11
pimpedmag - 15
Loguzzzz - 16
goinghome - 17
Pyrate 42 (now 43)
nobody - 57 posts

Need I point out that for someone who claims this is not the place for political discussion or biased opinion, you are the driving force ~ You generate more of it than anyone else here. More than double anyone but myself.
Don't hurt yourself, big guy.

Never said I did not have an opinion. But if you were to take all those posts that you compiled and put them in a for and against, or even a red versus blue side, what are those numbers then?

Again, I never start any of the threads, never do I bring up posts that are against the rules. But if the mods allow a post to not be closed and some wish to post wrong and disinformation, who am I to not set the record straight and tell one and all, where they are wrong. So don't try and skew the numbers to only support yoir narrative. A poor attempt at whataboutism...

Pyrate Jim

01-22-2023, 02:19 PM

But I never started any threads in question.
Yet here you are in all your glory.

Never said I did not have an opinion. But if you were to take all those posts that you compiled and put them in a for and against, or even a red versus blue side, what are those numbers then?
I wasn't considering "sides" in the equation although I could do that. However, You yourself would be the singular minority rather than the leader of the pack.

Again, I never start any of the threads, never do I bring up posts that are against the rules. But if the mods allow a post to not be closed and some wish to post wrong and disinformation, who am I to not set the record straight and tell one and all, where they are wrong. So don't try and skew the numbers to only support yoir narrative. A poor attempt at whataboutism...
So... You never bring up posts against the rules while posting in a thread you claim violates those rules? A true Democrat.
And you only post because regardless of others opinion and every piece of evidence they show is wrong or disinformation, You and You alone can set the record straight.
That is not a bias. It's an outright declaration of prejudice.

In the rules of debate, the roles of "stimulator" and "responder" are generally clear.
And then the so-called "straw man".

Which one are You?

Nobody

01-22-2023, 04:30 PM

In the rules of debate, the roles of "stimulator" and "responder" are generally clear.
And then the so-called "straw man".

Which one are You?

That may be true for a debate but this is a forum. No one here is using the debate rules, no one here is doing a ask and answer back and forth. No, do not substitute one for the other. Hell, you can't answer a simple question, no one here can. Prop something up, have it challenged, then change the subject, introduce something else and never go back. You brought up the post count, but can you answer why it is like it is? Nope, bring up debate rules and finger point about a subject that you clearly are not familiar with avoid the question.

Good job, gold star.

Pyrate Jim

01-22-2023, 06:36 PM

That may be true for a debate but this is a forum. You brought up the post count, but can you answer why it is like it is?

What else is a forum but a debate? It's basically the definition. Opposing views presenting their opinion in a civilized manner.
Just like the Senate or the House, without the legal endorsement or requirements.

Of course I can answer to why post count "is like it is". I doubt you would like the answer, and I do try to be civilized.

Nobody

01-22-2023, 07:32 PM

What else is a forum but a debate? It's basically the definition. Opposing views presenting their opinion in a civilized manner.
Just like the Senate or the House, without the legal endorsement or requirements.

Of course I can answer to why post count "is like it is". I doubt you would like the answer, and I do try to be civilized.

But basically, is not THE definition.

Taken from dictionary.com

Forum:
1) the marketplace or public square of an ancient Roman city, the center of judicial and business affairs and a place of assembly for the people.
2) a court or tribunal:the forum of public opinion.
3) an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.

Debate:
1) a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints

This forum is a meeting place where people can discuss topics, exchange ideas, show off new builds or ask questions about how to fix something. While you can have a debate in a forum, a forum is not a debate.

So please don't pull your hesitation about being civilized, as many here, in this thread are far from being civilized about their attitudes to anything that they don't agree with, sometimes politically.

going_home

01-24-2023, 05:51 AM

I am not.

My point was, it looks to me like his own people are doing this to get rid of him......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjeh5UQ-d3o

:GoodLuck:

Pyrate Jim

01-24-2023, 01:06 PM

Nobody

01-25-2023, 12:44 AM

It's spreading...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/classified-documents-found-at-mike-pence-s-home-and-turned-over-to-doj-sources/ar-AA16HbXc?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=23537493616c4272a42070445ac9cfea

You do realize that this changes nothing. I would suspect, though I doubt I or anyone would truly know for sure, that most of these documents were presidential daily briefings and the like. I say this from the mere fact that, though we only knew about the fiasco that the twice impeached ex-president made a big deal about turning them, that NARA nor any reporting ever made the fact public that records were missing. Which lends to my estimation that even though they are important, it was missed by them.

But the fact is still, one person willfully denied them, lied to keep them, refused to return them and subsequently had them taken from him. The others did a search, went through the proper channels and processes, even as much as stopping a search till persons with the proper clearance could be brought in and anything and everything found was promptly returned.

So this is not the someone who is getting arrested for conducting a controlled burn to clear out brush, compared to arsonist who burns down a building.

So you can finger point all you want, and throw out this whataboutism, but I do see that NARA and the persons and agencies that hold all these classified documents needs a better system of tracking and accountancy. This is getting to be a ridiculous situation and I would think a black eye embarrassment in the world's eyes.

Loguzzzzzz

01-25-2023, 02:07 PM

103444
Doug...

BigEvil

01-25-2023, 03:28 PM

Doug...

103445

Nobody

01-25-2023, 03:54 PM

Doug...

OhJohn, you want to rejoin the conversationor are you going to do another impression of your youngest daughterand throw another hissy-fit?,

going_home

01-26-2023, 08:23 PM

When you got nothing, no rebuttal, attack their family.

:goodjob:

Nobody

01-27-2023, 01:52 AM

When you got nothing, no rebuttal, attack their family.

:goodjob:

Comparison is not going after. Besides, isn't this where you're supposed to mention Hunter Biden?

Pot calling the kettle black...

going_home

01-27-2023, 05:38 AM

Comparison is not going after. Besides, isn't this where you're supposed to mention Hunter Biden?

Pot calling the kettle black...

He's your brother ?

That would explain a lot....

Pyrate Jim

01-27-2023, 01:46 PM

A comparison;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InvCCoyFf0c

BigEvil

01-28-2023, 11:29 AM

A comparison;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InvCCoyFf0c

Nothing to see there.

going_home

01-29-2023, 08:34 AM

A comparison;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InvCCoyFf0c

There is no sane defense for this, none.

Nobody

01-29-2023, 10:55 AM

It's not like he thinks windmills cause cancer or can stop a hurrican3 with nuclear weapons...

BigEvil

01-29-2023, 11:49 AM

It's not like he thinks windmills cause cancer or can stop a hurrican3 with nuclear weapons...

103446

It's like you don't even try anymore :D :D :D :D

Pyrate Jim

01-29-2023, 06:07 PM

Couple of numbers to watch for.
1,850 boxes
415 GB

Nobody

01-29-2023, 10:08 PM

103446

It's like you don't even try anymore :D :D :D :D

Well, I have shot holes through every single story brought up here and now I decided to be pithy. Come on a bring something to discuss. Not going to waste my time with a 5th rate youtuber that has less than 20k subscribers that has more holes than Tuna's underwear about what you are taking out of context, and make it seem like it is the most damning thing in the world.

How about we talk about the law suit that trump lost and had to pay Hilary Clinton about $200k? What about how the Durham report not only was a waste of time and brought no major lawsuits or convictions, but cost more than the Mueller investigation, which when compiled with the payments of the fraud cases, had about 30 convictions? Or I know, how about let's talk about how Kevin McCarthy is the worst Speaker of the House because he traded all the power of the seat for votes and it will take but one nutcase to bring a vote to remove him. So if he upsets 0.5% of the house GOP he could loose his job?

maniacmechanic

01-30-2023, 09:46 AM

Well, I have shot holes through every single story brought up here and now I decided to be pithy. Come on a bring something to discuss. Not going to waste my time with a 5th rate youtuber that has less than 20k subscribers that has more holes than Tuna's underwear about what you are taking out of context, and make it seem like it is the most damning thing in the world.

How about we talk about the law suit that trump lost and had to pay Hilary Clinton about $200k? What about how the Durham report not only was a waste of time and brought no major lawsuits or convictions, but cost more than the Mueller investigation, which when compiled with the payments of the fraud cases, had about 30 convictions? Or I know, how about let's talk about how Kevin McCarthy is the worst Speaker of the House because he traded all the power of the seat for votes and it will take but one nutcase to bring a vote to remove him. So if he upsets 0.5% of the house GOP he could loose his job?

Laugh my ass off ,,, it's amazin how , some folks ya just cant reach ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Nobody

01-30-2023, 10:54 AM

Laugh my ass off ,,, it's amazin how , some folks ya just cant reach ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Ever tried explaining your viewpoint? Ever try answering a question, legitimately?

Pyrate Jim

01-30-2023, 12:39 PM

"Strike the bell, second mate. Let us go below.
Looking to the windward you can see it's going to blow."

So far this year, just in the month of January, 234 tech companies have laid off 75,912 employees, according to tracking site.
https://layoffs.fyi/

Pyrate Jim

01-30-2023, 05:41 PM

Anyone invested in Alcoa Aluminum?

maniacmechanic

01-30-2023, 09:27 PM

Anyone invested in Alcoa Aluminum?

Got a cousin works at 1 in Pa

BigEvil

01-31-2023, 10:06 AM

Well, I have shot holes through every single story brought up here

uh, yeah.. no. In your fantasy world but not the real one.

Nobody

01-31-2023, 07:38 PM

uh, yeah.. no. In your fantasy world but not the real one.

Hate to tell you, but I do. I take what you and everyone state as "fact", put logic to it and then wait for someone to refute my claims but some how it always ends with that. Never do I see a back and forth of persons supporting their claims with evidence. Noa it is just claim and then rebuttal and move onto the next farcical story. The account of the attack on Paul Pelosi, well the video of the guy breaking into to the house and his vicious attack was exactly the opposite of what most of what y'all said and ut is never mentioned again. How can that be?

But I know you'll take the stand that, "you are to good to lay with the pigs of mediocrity and their stories" or "you know the truth cause yoi found it and only you and it is a big conspiracy to hide the true facts of the issue.". But I take it to really mean that these fabricated that make you feel all warm and fuzzy are just that, stories. Told to you by people that want to control you into thinking exactly what they want and you eat it up. It is a diet of rage words and empty questions to draw you to q conclusion without any critical thought and to blank out anything that goes against that narrative cause you can't trust anyone but those telling you the truth.

You were taken, you were conned and you cannot not believe it cause you gave your trust and they have taken that without any question.

going_home

01-31-2023, 08:39 PM

Scott and Hank are right.

You're a legend in your own mind......

:youtheman:

Pyrate Jim

01-31-2023, 09:31 PM

I take what you and everyone state as "fact", put logic to it and then wait for someone to refute my claims but some how it always ends with that.
It's what is commonly referred to as a "trend". Singularly ignorable, cumulatively laughable, historically pitiable.

Nobody

02-01-2023, 05:48 AM

It's what is commonly referred to as a "trend". Singularly ignorable, cumulatively laughable, historically pitiable.

So is it trendy to deny that election requests, to lie to the public, to use disinformation for one's own needs?

And I am still waiting for your answer Jim. Yet, like so many others you can never answer a question asked of you, why is that?

Tunaman

02-01-2023, 09:47 AM

So is it trendy to deny that election requests, to lie to the public, to use disinformation for one's own needs?

And I am still waiting for your answer Jim. Yet, like so many others you can never answer a question asked of you, why is that?
Russia, Russia, Russia. Your kind spewed these lies for years but now people are finding out they were lied to. They even put your boy Don Lemon on a morning show. The ratings of the channels your watch are in the toilet...like your brain.

Nobody

02-01-2023, 12:30 PM

Russia, Russia, Russia. Your kind spewed these lies for years but now people are finding out they were lied to.

Yes lied to. Lied about how bad the Russian influence was to get trump elected and to mess with the Clinton campaign. Lied to about the Durham investigation, on why it was so fruitless and the fact that on a lead from the Italian government, that trump was involved in some criminal aspects, enough to get the attention of Italy needs to be answered and the fact that Bill Barr had buried all of that in the quest of power.

They even put your boy Don Lemon on a morning show.

Maybe Don Lemon wanted the change? Maybe his life changed enough that he wanted the morning slot? This means nothing to me. Why bring it up?

The ratings of the channels your watch are in the toilet...like your brain.

And? I am sorry that every other news channel tries not to use click bait or sensational news gotcha to grab people's attention, like Hunter Biden laptop, Biden family mafia, Obama is a Muslim, the Hilary emailscandal, or whatever they want to put on POTUS.

Pyrate Jim

02-01-2023, 01:46 PM

Nobody

02-01-2023, 07:01 PM

To put it bluntly, You are not worthy.

I love that answer. You claim to try an educate a poor rube like me. Show me the ways where my thi king and views are totally wrong in regards to how the world really works, but yet, when push comes to shove, you never have an answer. Sure, you can point to how high the gas prices are, even though Biden has brought them down, and even after selling off some of the national reserve, has filled it back up and did it at a profit, but you always fail to explain your viewpoint. It is almost like you really don't know yourself. It is like you are being fed all these catch phrases and shown pictures of Soros and Hilary so you can salivate and say your vitriol but when it comes to communicating why, you fail like Jamaican bobsled team, just not as entertaining as them.

So I really didn't think you could or would answer these si.ple questions. Guess I am too naive to think that my betters can dumb down those high-falutent complicated explanations to a simple country bumpkin like me. Come on, what was I doing. It's not like I support a known con artist(look at tru.p university settlement), or the ongoing litigation( Georgia, NY, DC, etc.) or the obvious NFT scam. Cause you and people that thi king like you are so much smarter about politics than me.

:sarcasm:

Pyrate Jim

02-01-2023, 08:17 PM

The education of poor rubes is not in my job description.

Nobody

02-02-2023, 12:44 AM

The education of poor rubes is not in my job description.

Then you have no place to try and dictate what and when someone brings up something that you think is wrong. Educating can be a job but is reflective of one's life experience. Listening to Tuna and Scott on how to tech a mag is a master class. Why, cause they have had years of experience and have not only seen much of what can go wrong but why. The why is the bigger point. That is where someone can come to realize the circumstances of how one has gotten to a place. So if you don't agree with a liberal agenda or even disagree with what you have to say, because you choose not to answer or "educate", then you have no place to say anything beyond your opinion and opinion is just that. While I will always support someone's right to speak the credibility of what you say is worthless. So thank you for participating. Maybe you can enjoy the home version of the game. :D

Beemer

02-02-2023, 02:20 AM

Sure, you can point to how high the gas prices are, even though Biden has brought them down, and even after selling off some of the national reserve, has filled it back up and did it at a profit, but you always fail to explain your viewpoint.

You REALLY need to try and educate yourself. Its not a national reserve. Its called SPR....Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Pay attention to that first word then go read up on it. Its above my pay grade to TRY and educate a Rube same as a bumpkin.

No he didn't fill it back up for a profit.

Weekly U.S. Ending Stocks of Crude Oil in SPR

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=WCSSTUS1&f=W

US Crude Oil in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve Stocks is at a current level of 371.58M, unchanged from 371.58M last week and down from 590.78M one year ago. This is a change of 0.00% from last week and -37.10% from one year ago.

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_ending_stocks_of_crude_oil_in_the_strategic_pet roleum_reserve

The Strategic Petroleum Reserve Is At Its Lowest Level Since 1984
The senior administration official conceded it will take months or even years to refill the SPR, whose stockpiles are at the lowest level in 38 years.

Why do you still post here REALLY. Oh I know cause your bored, a Troll and a contrarian

BigEvil

02-02-2023, 10:53 AM

You REALLY need to try and educate yourself. Its not a national reserve. Its called SPR....Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Pay attention to that first word then go read up on it. Its above my pay grade to TRY and educate a Rube same as a bumpkin.

No he didn't fill it back up for a profit.

Weekly U.S. Ending Stocks of Crude Oil in SPR

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=WCSSTUS1&f=W

US Crude Oil in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve Stocks is at a current level of 371.58M, unchanged from 371.58M last week and down from 590.78M one year ago. This is a change of 0.00% from last week and -37.10% from one year ago.

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_ending_stocks_of_crude_oil_in_the_strategic_pet roleum_reserve

The Strategic Petroleum Reserve Is At Its Lowest Level Since 1984
The senior administration official conceded it will take months or even years to refill the SPR, whose stockpiles are at the lowest level in 38 years.

Why do you still post here REALLY. Oh I know cause your bored, a Troll and a contrarian

Nobody saying that the SPR was refilled and at a profit is all you need to understand about he leftist mentality on economics. Meaning, it might as well be rocket surgery for him.

It also shows that he is a talking points regurgitator. Not a soul with 2 functioning brain cells could possibly think that, with the price of crude being WAY higher then it was under Trump. But hey, we already know that.

maniacmechanic

02-02-2023, 12:12 PM

The SPR ,,,
Taxpayers pay to fill it up
Gubment gives it away to oil producers ( and the ChiCom's )
Oil producers Sell it back to us ( The Taxpayer's that paid for it to begin with )
Then the Taxpayers pay to refill it
That's 3 Times the Taxpayers pay for the oil/fuel in the SPR

Pyrate Jim

02-02-2023, 07:31 PM

I found some good news today.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

Under a heading "trending" there are three different articles that link egg yolk to decreasing covid infection.
Why is that good news for me? Right now, We have 50 geese, 40 chickens and a dozen guinea hens in the backyard and fertilized Sebastopol eggs go $40 each.
We are swimming in eggs, while poultry and food processing plants around the country burn.

(Trigger warning ~ contains Tucker Carlson)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYeOxWiVzs

BigEvil

02-03-2023, 11:29 AM

This is the link you wanted

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33191178/
I found some good news today.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

Under a heading "trending" there are three different articles that link egg yolk to decreasing covid infection.
Why is that good news for me? Right now, We have 50 geese, 40 chickens and a dozen guinea hens in the backyard and fertilized Sebastopol eggs go $40 each.
We are swimming in eggs, while poultry and food processing plants around the country burn.

(Trigger warning ~ contains Tucker Carlson)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYeOxWiVzsDon't eat eggs, they are BAD FOR YOU! The gob'mint has been telling us that for year.

Meanwhile, eggs are one of the most nutritional superfoods on the planet.

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Pyrate Jim

02-07-2023, 04:20 PM

This showed up today. I had to laugh at the resemblance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ0JyAjIiEY

Pyrate Jim

02-21-2023, 03:41 PM

I'm just going to leave this here. Let it ferment a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIuSoAnxDNA

Nobody

02-22-2023, 04:54 AM

I'm just going to leave this here. Let it ferment a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIuSoAnxDNA

This is an incredibly stupid and short-sighted thing to do. Not only will the footage show off the secret placement of security cameras but also show the locations and manner of the secret evacuation routes and rooms that are necessary to not be made public. While an argument could be made to freely release this to every news organization, in a show of freedom of information(which ironically is a very liberal Ideal and not one supposedly supported by the conservative party), it is, so far only to going to foxnews in a publicity stunt to show that McCarthy is as republican as foxnews wants and because McCarthy had also traded secrets in order to gain the speaker seat. So this is not a joyess thing but one of ignorance in the guise of power.

So I am sure that the DOJ(maybe the FBI, maybe Homeland Security, maybe all 3 or more)will issue a C&C order and redact or not turn over all footage to maintain certain aspects of government security. But this also goes to show that not only does a party have to maintain the lie, giving the footage to foxnews who it has shown not only directly lies to their audience but continues to propagandise the notion that they are a legitimate news agency but has no conscious effort to even try to govern the country.

going_home

02-22-2023, 01:29 PM

It's already done Bubba.

The genie is out of the bottle.

The lies and edited videos and voice messages from the January 6th so called hearings are about to be exposed.

;)

Pyrate Jim

02-22-2023, 03:41 PM

It's already done Bubba.

The genie is out of the bottle.

The lies and edited videos and voice messages from the January 6th so called hearings are about to be exposed.

;)

Well, what was handed over did not includes tapes from hearings that I've heard. And I suspect that what was handed over has been sanitized for your protection.
It may not include some things...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UsIhWGhsRGU

Nobody

02-22-2023, 08:46 PM

This is the problem. How can you believe big media? With foxnews being the biggest media agency, doesn't that mean they're part of the fake news? And to top it all off, this is going to the Carlson team which not only has he a court verdict saying that he is not a media reporter but a liar that does things for entertainment purposes only. So how could anyone truly believe anything that he puts out?

So is this what you want? Being told lies by a liar? And as you should know, double negatives work in math and grammar, but jot the news...

maniacmechanic

02-23-2023, 09:46 AM

this is the problem. How can you believe big media? With foxnews being the biggest media agency, doesn't that mean they're part of the fake news? And to top it all off, this is going to the carlson team which not only has he a court verdict saying that he is not a media reporter but a liar that does things for entertainment purposes only. So how could anyone truly believe anything that he puts out?

So is this what you want? Being told lies by a liar? And as you should know, double negatives work in math and grammar, but jot the news...

lmao ,,,,

Tunaman

02-23-2023, 11:09 AM

lmao ,,,,

Joy Reid is Nobody's news source...

Nobody

02-23-2023, 03:38 PM

Joy Reid is Nobody's news source...

Like most things, other than fixing mags, you are wrong.

Or are you saying that foxnews isn't the biggest news agency in the US? Isn't that the opposite of what you normally say?

Pyrate Jim

02-23-2023, 05:13 PM

going_home

02-24-2023, 02:57 PM

Or are you saying that foxnews isn't the biggest news agency in the US? Isn't that the opposite of what you normally say?

Fox news coverage has been under the microscope lately.
They are in the tank with the rest of the propaganda networks. They choose to report nothing on Donald J.

Nobody

02-24-2023, 03:28 PM

Funny how MSNBC had an interview with Bennie Thompson (the former head of the Jan 6th committee) who claims there was 44,000 hours of video.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/bill-press-kevin-mccarthy-flies-false-flag-over-capitol/ar-AA17QP2P?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=8db5203c692a4e3d8123411e052c5d9f

Tucker Carlson was handed 41,000 hours of that. Where did the other 3,000 hours of video disappear to? Maybe it was Alexandra Pelosi's documentary footage... maybe he is old and forgot how many hours? Maybe some footage used had to be returned to the owners, since it is not a court and couldn't keep it in perpetuity. I am sure tucker will make something up to explan it.
Not to mention their (Jan6 committee) workers needed clearance and passwords to view what were public record security cam footage from various spots that may or may not have any relevance. it must be a conspiracy or maybe it was just a normal thing for all persons involved in any senate subcommittee
As I understand it, these are videos collected from security cams around the Capitol and social media platforms. They are not footage of any testimony given. huh, maybe you answered your own question? I like when people sound things out and come up with a possible logical conclusion.
Anyone with a bit of computer/internet savvy could see it should they devote their life to viewing 41,000 + hours of footage of a single day's events. when that day is against the law, i.e. trying to mount an attack on a federal building, breaking the law, causing violence and injury, maybe you shouldn't be a judge in that. Plus, it was not one person, i am sure it was dozens of people that watched it and i do not envy them at all.
Ridiculous? Of course. It happened, it's a matter of historical record as a momentous event in America.
So, why do some wish to tell me, an American Citizen, that I need "clearance" to see what happened as recorded and posted to toc-tik or wherever? well, all video is not created equal. The tik-tok vids or facebook ones , i am sure do not require any sort of clearance, but the ones in and around the capitol building do. It is one thing to know you are being recorded, it is another to physically point out the cameras so people will try to avoid and/or destroy said cameras. And there are so many things that an average person can't do or need to get permission to do it. I need a license to fresh water fish, but saltwater fishing is free. Go figure...
Something is being hidden, but it continues to cast a shadow on the wall. yup, people are hiding the fact that they know laws were being broken, but yet claim that they did nothing wrong.

We shall see where this leads to. So often today's conspiracy theory is tomorrow's headline.onlyif you watch foxnews, OAN or newsmax

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