Something you should all read about Automag weight

[tysonmachado]

I just posted this in another thread but it is something that many people should know. The reputation of the Automag as a heavy gun is really quite exaggerated and somewhat unfair. For a while I myself fell for the hype but with time, and better accessories. I have been noticing that my automag really isn't that heavy (when I first bought it used it came with a stainless steel barrel, stainless steel dropforward, and a stainless steel nitro tank; it really was heavy.) We should all try harder to find the truth about the equipment we use rather than falling for the misinformed rumors and the corporate hype. Anyway, here is my experiment to find just how much heavier the Automag is:

I have two things to bring to this argument:
-more paintball paintball stuff sitting in my basement than should be there
-an accurate kitchen scale

I have said many times that the Automag is not significantly heavier than other paintball guns. I even said this to the boyfriend of Tempestwolf earlier this evening. After reading through this thread I decided to perform a little experiment.
I took two guns:

AUTOMAG 68 powerfeed left with tournement legal thumb adjuster, stock composite grip frame, AGD rubber wraparound grips, brass air line elbow, and nickel plated male quick disconnect fitting. No barrel, no foregrip, no dropforward.

PIRANHA G3 VTL with stock composite grip frame, stock plastic grip panels, beavertail sightrail (so the rear cocking knob doesn't smack ya in the face), aluminum asa to 1/8 NPT adapter, and nickel plated male quick disconnect fitting. No barrel, no foregrip, no dropforward.

I weighed each of them on my kitchen scale:

The Automag weighs 2 pounds even.

The Piranha weighs 1 pound 15 ounces.

Since we all know that there are 16 ounces to the pound we can see that the Automag does weigh more by a whole whopping ounce!

At this point, those of you who are reading this and are quite clever are saying, " but when you remove the barrel of an Automag you also remove the breach, and that is added weight which your experiment does not account for!"
This is true. Fortunately, I just happen to have a 14 inch All American barrel with stainless steel back for the automag, and I also just happen to have a 14 All American barrel with stainless steel back for the Pirahna. Since stainless is about the heaviest material barrels are made from, the steel backs will best accentuate the difference in weight. If both of these barrels were aluminum the difference would be less. Putting each in turn upon the trusty kitchen scale we see:

The Automag barrel weighs 11 ounces.

The Piranha barrel weighs 10 ounces.

Now we have another whole ounce difference between them, added to the first ounce it is plain to see that when each gun is set up with the minimum amount of equipment to run on a remote line, and when each is using the same barrel with stainless steel threads, the Automag weighs 2 ounces more than the Piranha. To put that into pwerspective, a Viewloader hopper elbow with thumbscrews weighs just about two ounces.
So is two ounces really enough weight to slow you down? Is the Automag really such a monsterous beast of a gun? Or do we just hear rumors about how heavy the Automag is, then look at the stainless steel valve and body and think "it must be heavy...it IS heavy...how can someone carry ALL THAT WEIGHT?!?!"

[FordPrefect]

Nice work. But the thing is, WE know that the Automag isn't heavy. If you would post this at PB Nation or someplace, they will all argue with you.

[RT_Luver]

ya know.....why is it that people fall into such hype and crap...I say if u like the gun u like it and u can find some way around all the disadvatages. But I like ur reasoning.

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the rumor that the EMAG's are heavy? i held one once with stock barrel with no tank or hopper and it seemed like it weighed the same as my whole setup. emag's are heavy, but i don't think i've heard anyone say that regular mags are heavy.

[Thordic]

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21557

Read that post and you'll see why AutoMags seem heavy. It may not be the gun itself, but its all the crap we toss on it :)

People who own Spyders usually seem to have a small tank and a VL200.

[cphilip]

That is so true Thordic. Many feel my Emag and say "Wow" thats heavy...and it is. Its got a warp feed on it and they never held a marker with one on. But its the price you gotta pay if you want the advantages of Warp Feed.

[pip_999]

and i quote from the movie "snatch":

"Heavy? Heavy is good, if it doesnt work you cna alwasy hit him with it"

[Rueben_the_wanderer]

Some people might confuse bad weight distribution for heaviness.

[cphilip]

Well... to add to that, I most often get the coment "Heavy but it's so well balanced"

[TheTramp]

It isn't nessasaraly all hype. My Mag is VERY heavy. I guess it doesn't have to be but it is. SS barrel, drop, Warp, 12V, Al trigger frame, steel N2 tank. It all adds up. Of course I figure that if I can't carry around this weight for 15 minutes 10 or so times a day then I need to worry more about my arms then about my Mag.

[tysonmachado]

Personally, I prefer balanced to light. If it needed it, I'd tie a 2-pound lead block to the end of my barrel for perfect balance.
I agree that much of the weight rumor comes from accessories. If you want performance you have to be aware of the tradeoffs of all upgrades and buy the ones that suit your needs instead of just getting the latest and greatest fad.
And on the subject of upgrades, a lot of people seem to neglect that the Automag has an integrated regulator when they make comparisons. If you want a regulated system (ignoring the tank reg) you need to add a regulator to the Piranha (or other Spyder clone.) The Air America Vigilante weighs 7 ounces. Take that into consideration and the 2 ounce difference including stainless backed barrels becomes a 5 ounce difference in favor of the Automag. So assuming all other accsessories are identical the 'feather light' spyderclones equipped for similar performance actually weigh 5 ounces more than the 'heavy' Automag!

[CAPTINSANE]

if it is heavy...then grow some muscles

[buzzboy]

We also know that if you want you can make an automag just as light or lighter with all ule upgrades, composite trigger frame, no forgrip, CF barrel and standard ASA. Look at warpig. They had an RT pro "as light as electros". Here's the link http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/automag/ulemag/index2.shtml

[BigEvil]

Great post. Nothing like smacking the ignorant in their soft heads with hard facts :D

Yes, mags are a bit heavier than most guns.
Yes, mags get very heavy from all of the crap we add on to them.

Since I used to run around the woods at Skirmish hauling a dual tank Vm68 set up with a CAR15 stock... Im not going to complain about any gun being 'too heavy' :tard:

[zaqwert6]

People don't complain about the Automags weight anymore...the biggest complaint by most is the same as with this thread...it's old and outdated. ;)

[shartley]

Holy Thread Resurrection Batman!

I have always laughed at the whole weight issue anyways. I have never seen a marker that I thought would be “too heavy” for me to use or be a problem in a game. Not even “The Grinder”.

In fact, I LIKE a bit of weight. It helps plant the marker and makes me feel like I actually have something in my hands. I find super light markers leave me feeling like I just picked up some kid’s toy. But to each their own. It’s all good.

But the weight issue should become a non-issue now being they are now marketing to the woods/rec/scenario market. And for that segment of players weight just does not play as big of roll as it seems to with speedball/tournament players.

[m-a-r-k-7]

if it is heavy...then grow some muscles

wow, you upped a 3 year and 9 month old thread to say that.

Now that that's out of the way:

I will admit my minimag is a bit heavy as compared to my electros, but i've never noticed it in a game.

[master_alexander]

now, for me, weight isint a matter. but you have to admit:

non uled emag with stainless body
dye boomstick
warpfeed
halo
72/30 steel tank

that, is heavy. (would weigh it but i dont have the gun annymore)

[Arstron]

I weighted my mag awile back with my electronic dragun frame on it. It had a RPG exile body, sub zero feed neck, shadow rail, xvalve, 12" sp tear drop barrel, dead on paintball bullet drop, my electronic frame (alum.), vertical adapter, bicyle foregrip, with all the macroline and fittings. Everything but the tank and hopper and it weigted in at 2lbs and 14 or 15 ounces. :dance:

At the same time, im pretty sure I had my warped mag also, which was a beast considering I used a 72/3k steal tank. It was quite a diffrence when id switch between those guns. :D

edit: what is the "similar threads" option at the bottom of this thread, dont seem to be any any other thread.

[SpitFire1299]

I never really thought a mech mag was even close to thinking it was heavy. An emag, on the other hand, is a bit heavy. (I have noodle arms, ill admit it.) :cry:

[WARPED1]

What makes mags heavy, is the few people left who strap one of those WarpFeed behemoths on thier gun! I speak from experience because I was one of those guys! :) :dance:

[behemoth]

What makes mags heavy, is the few people left who strap one of those WarpFeed behemoths on thier gun! I speak from experience because I was one of those guys! :) :dance:

What are you straping me to?

[captian pinky]

well i must say i love my mags plural and i played great today i shot 31+ people with a mag cuz my karni and angel went down and i didnt want to play pump so i brought my mag out i could have brought my full uled mag ule body rail intelliframe stubby drop gas through grip and xvalve but i was like i want a chanlleng so i brought my mag out miinmag body powerfeed right gas through thron dropforward and on off the trigger frame was a plastic slider frame i made and i used a broken elbow with electrical tape and not one time did i say this is heavy cuz i played next to a guy with a micro mag and another right feed body all day AND LOVED EVERY SECOND OF IT just thought id share

and i dont use periods sorry

[Jaan]

You just HAD to make me go and get my markers out huh?

OKay, just for the record, the top marker weighs in at a svelte 4lbs 8oz, and the bottom one is 4lbs 15oz.

http://www.jayloo.com/files/pics/30000/Both-Mags_rs.jpg (http://www.jayloo.com/files/pics/30000/Both-Mags.jpg)

[WARPED1]

What are you straping me to?
An Automag...................with a warp adaptor and hose! Guess where the hose goes? :wow:

[DaveSM]

Now let's weight a complete ULE setup ;)

[danoxide]

let me 1st state that i completly agree with everything said here. Now with that i said i would like to say the only thing i can see people saying about this if you put it on pbnation or somthing similar, is that you weighed it to a PMI gun. they would then go on to say that an ego or a g7 or a shocker is even lighter then the PMI.


great post tho :cheers:

[BlueDragonX]

Well, sure my E-Mag's relatively heavy with a fully loaded Reloader B on it. The speedball guys all ask how I can shoot something that heavy. Maybe it's that they're all so used to shooting the lightest of the light, DM6's and such. But I don't find that it effects my game any, so I don't suppose it matters a great deal, does it? After all, they're not shooting it, I am.

Granted, the only part on it that's ULE in any way is the body... the barrel is a PPS Brass and the rail is an RT Pro. I do intend to get that ULE milled in the future, though...

[Ninjeff]

Mags? Heavy?

Pssshhhh


Cockers....now THOSE are heavy.....lol

[Warwitch]

Holy Necro-posters! Thats a dead *** thread. And tho I love Mag's, they are like a brick compared to a Shocker.

[robertsr1811]

Holy Necro-posters! Thats a dead *** thread. And tho I love Mag's, they are like a brick compared to a Shocker.


That's because Shockers are made from such a cheap alloy that they can't even hold the anno. :)

[Caboose]

Eh, there was an enormous difference between my DM6, e-Lotus, Black Magic, etc and my Xmag. The xmag was really heavy compared to them and not nearly as efficient. That's why I didn't keep it.

[skife]

this thread is like... 5 years old.

[ahellers]

Eh, there was an enormous difference between my DM6, e-Lotus, Black Magic, etc and my Xmag. The xmag was really heavy compared to them and not nearly as efficient. That's why I didn't keep it.

well Ill take it off your hands if you dont like it so much :D
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[jenarelJAM]

If you're really worried about weight, you should shoot a 45/45. My unmilled viking(tank-like) weighs less than many guns just because the tank offsets the weight. The weight is all in the tank and hopper, so get a smaller tank. It's not like you're going to run out of air in the middle of one game. And if you're playing back and need an entire case+, then weight shouldn't matter as much to you anyway...

[Lenny]

...And tho I love Mag's, they are like a brick compared to a Shocker.
Really?

http://www.smtpaintball.com/On_Line_Catolog/MARKER_PICS/Automag%20RT.gif

VS.

http://www.pbreview.com/pics/shocker4x4.jpg

[Gadget]

Dead threads ftw! :clap:

No getting away from the weight of AGD stuff - but then heavy = long lasting.

Just weighed my markers (yes, I was that bored) all with barrels removed:

Heaviest was my Automag (photo (http://www.chimpy.com/miscpics/1_automag.jpg)) at 1674g (3lb 11oz) - although it could lose a small bit as it had the flatline reg fitted, while the others were weighed with just ASAs.

Next was my E-Mag (photo (http://www.chimpy.com/miscpics/2_emag.jpg)) at 1458g (3lb 3oz) - despite having factory ULE rail/frame plus ULE body and X-Valve.

Then my Nexus cocker (photo (http://www.chimpy.com/miscpics/3_nexus.jpg)) at 1250g (2lb 12oz).

Lightest was my Angel 1 (photo (http://www.chimpy.com/miscpics/4_angel.jpg)) at 984g (2lb 2oz)

Over a pound difference between the Angel and E-Mag - but the Angel feels fragile, while the E-Mag feels solid :)

[Warwitch]

Really?

http://www.smtpaintball.com/On_Line_Catolog/MARKER_PICS/Automag%20RT.gif

VS.

http://www.pbreview.com/pics/shocker4x4.jpg


Come on now, Shockers havent been a shoebox in ages. Terrible examples of light Mags and Shockers. Your defense sucks. Which means you fail, but thanks for playing. ;)

[AirAssault]

Come on now, Shockers havent been a shoebox in ages. Terrible examples of light Mags and Shockers. Your defense sucks. Which means you fail, but thanks for playing. ;)

Of course shockers are crap, so a well made marker that will last forever that weighs a bit more, or a light turd? A few words spoken by the immortal Butthead "You can't polish a turd Beavis!"

[Warwitch]

Of course shockers are crap, so a well made marker that will last forever that weighs a bit more, or a light turd? A few words spoken by the immortal Butthead "You can't polish a turd Beavis!"


I agree. Which is why I have Mags and Vikings. I was just making a standalone statement that the new Shockers are lighter than MOST mags. Thats all. Everybody settle down :cheers:

[ShooterJM]

For a second I thought tyson had come back and was posting. I got all excited and was going to ask him to do some custom work for me again, and I find out this is just the mother of all gravedigs..... :(

[Lenny]

Come on now, Shockers havent been a shoebox in ages. Terrible examples of light Mags and Shockers. Your defense sucks. Which means you fail, but thanks for playing. ;)
It was a joke. Go grab yourself a tampon.