Level 10 Demo from HALO Guys

[AGD]

AO,

Here is your first taste of LVL10. Oddessy has their new loader coming out with belt drive and new software and needed a gun that could put it to the test. They have a proto LVL10 in this Emag.

Two things to notice:
1. He is shooting a vertical feed
2. The Angel is shooting at 13 BPS

Chris Goddards comment when he called me,
"I have drunk from the Cup!" 3 cases of Hellfire and 1 of something else all at 20 BPS with two barrel breaks at the tip of the barrel.

AGD

Super HALO Vid (http://www.automags.org/~TomAGD/haloemag20.rm) Real (3.8 meg)

Super Halo Vid (http://www.automags.org/~RobAGD/movies/haloemag20.mpg) MPEG 11mb

Super Halo Vid (http://www.automags.org/~RobAGD/movies/haloemag20a.avi) Divx 5.0 4mb

Rob note - Thanks to Potatoboy for the Divx encode

[Clare]

WOW!!! that sure was fun to watch :D

[obsolete898]

Wowza!

[paintballrulzs]

Mr. Kaye you are killing me here. I have been saving up for this mod and can't wait until it is released. You are my idol!

[Load SM5]

Good Lord and Butter! That looks like fun.

2 full auto e-mags in either hand. Nice!

[BlackVCG]

The gun in his left hand when he's shooting two guns is an Angel.

[cphilip]

No matter how many times I see this kind of thing my jaw drops....


That is insane....:D

[jah871]

WOW, that was amazing. i cant wait to pick up a level 10 mod and to get an emag.

[Blennidae]

What would happen if you were to run that set up with a unlimited source of air, and a constant flow of paint?

[Automag ReTro]

Oh my.... hmmmmmm Emags are kinda fast i guess;) Seriously, that is insane.

[Load SM5]

Originally posted by BlackVCG
The gun in his left hand when he's shooting two guns is an Angel.

Ah, you're right. I was blinded by the insane amounts of paint in the air.

[cphilip]

I am down in my shop right now trying to hook my emag to my SCUBA...:D

[rxpbr]

I can't play the file. Can i use windows media player?

[shartley]

Good job AGD. We now know it really ripps... should be fine for ACTUAL use then. ;)

Good to see it pushed though.... :D

[BlackVCG]

You need Real Player to run the file. Just wait until you guys see the other videos. This isn't nearly as jaw dropping.

[Fred]

STILL NO GOGGLES!

Glad to see they're being so safety concious...

Cool vid other than that... :)

[FooTemps]

I think there needs to be an even better video of an emag vs angel. Both full auto with the new halo loader...

[Bonx0007]

My God that Angel is so slow!!!

I can not believe that was 20bps on a vert feed. insane. ooo show me more please. I am buying LVL 10 without a doubt.:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Now why do you want to by an Angel???????:D

[Bonx0007]

Originally posted by Fred
STILL NO GOGGLES!

Glad to see they're being so safety concious...

Cool vid other than that... :)

You have to be "F"ing kidding me!

[Kaiser Bob]

Oh for the love of God TK, please release the level 10 soon!!!

[PaInTbALL zAcH]

man those colored halos sure are purdy

[Bonx0007]

I think he is afraid to release them because he will be sold out with in minutes of doing so.;)

[SlipknotX556]

That was really fun to watch. Thanks Tom and all at AGD.

[Flamingo]

too bad that angel is on like 5 bps, put it on 20 and lets see the competition. DAMN AGD FOOLZ! blinding you by not showing the MROF on the angel BEFORE starting , and no camera tricks.
-matt

Angel > emag

[FeelTheRT]

wow not bad... So i guess theres no outside physical differences on the lvl 10 valve?



Originally posted by Flamingo
too bad that angel is on like 5 bps, put it on 20 and lets see the competition.
ya... too bad it won't go anyhigher than 13 right? someone knows their Anegls :rolleyes:

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by Flamingo
too bad that angel is on like 5 bps, put it on 20 and lets see the competition. DAMN AGD FOOLZ! blinding you by not showing the MROF on the angel BEFORE starting , and no camera tricks.
-matt

Angel > emag

Is there an un-restricted full auto angel board for ready use? no... It would have been great to see the angel go full auto along side the emag... Especially because I'd like to see the angel lose...

[Flamingo]

Originally posted by FeelTheRT
wow not bad... So i guess theres no outside physical differences on the lvl 10 valve?



ya... too bad it won't go anyhigher than 13 right? someone knows their Anegls :rolleyes:

funny that mine and the rest of the world's goes to 20...
You my friend, need to do some reading.

-matt

[Mango]

Yeah cause like, so many tournaments use full auto and 20 bps makes the paint companies happy...:rolleyes:

Otherwise, awsome video and the E-mag rips.

[AcemanPB]

OMG 4 cases with two breaks I WANT ONE!!!

[KamikazePenguin]

if i'm not mistaken, that's a flatline regulator on the bottomline of that E-mag between it and the SCUBA tank :)

[Tunaman]

Emag Rocks! Thats all I have to say.....Wow!:D

[a_malfunction]

Are you guys sure I cant use another player? Every time I get Realplayer, it Screws my comp all up. I would love to see this, but someone needs to fix it so that i can use windows media player or something.

[oldsoldier]

NICE!!!!Someone should post this on the shatner board to give them an idea what they are up against...

[BlackVCG]

First of all, don't blame AGD for what was shown in the video. That video is from the guys at HALO. Why it was set to 13bps I don't know, the stock ROF in FA is suppose to be 16bps. At least you can see how 13bps and 20bps compare.

[MagDog68]

I always thought it only took one paintball to score an elimination?!?!

~Fred

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[Aliens-8-MyDad]

man thats crazy fast!

[Fred]

Originally posted by Bonx0007


You have to be "F"ing kidding me!

Do You want to be the one getting shot at that fast and have your goggles slip? I didn't think so.

Bring back the Pumps!

[oneshot]

great video

[Jason Reed]

what was the air source on the emag? it look like a firefighters air pack

[AGD]

Just to let you know, I purposely didn't say anything about the Angel being at 13 bps in the video but since you brought it up I am going to comment.

Oddessy has repeatedly asked WDP for help in getting an Angel up to maximum speed. They know it would be a huge benefit to them to show the Angel being fed at high rates with the HALO but 13 is the best they have been able to do by themselves.

They would really appreciate it if someone could come up with a gun or configuration that goes beyond 13 bps. If you have one give them a call.

AGD

[Potatoboy]

As I just pointed out in the chatroom, am I the only one that noticed the almost complete lack of Muzzle rise on the FA Emag at 20 BPS?!

Could this be one of the benifits of level 10?!

The angel at 13 has some rise and correction.
The Emag at 20 has a little bit of a jump when he started, but after that it looks as steady as a bench mounted marker!

[Kaiser Bob]

Tom,

This video has made the suspense 100x worse! Im about ready to camp outside AGD central to wait for its release! Just dont call out the dogs!

[pbstu]

hey tom, how bout some videos that arent real player? i know you do have doubles sometimes with mpeg's but i personally refuse to use real media (have u ever tried to remove it? its the single reason why i had to reformat). would really appreciate it if u could make doubles of all the video's.


stu.

[TransMan]

hoy crap thats fast i want some of those red halo sides

[Snooky]

that video is pretty jaw dropping. Looking really forward to an emag with that installed in it.

Are the new AGD guns gonna come stock with lvl 10 upgrades?

As for the goggles if you are willing to take the risk without them then its your choice. i know when i go to shoot my gun in the back yard im not gonna wear goggles because they are not nesicary while shooting at a tree and not having returned fire on u. this is what barrel condoms and plugs are for. and that thing on the trigger called the safety. ok thats enough ranting.

Gj tom keep up the good work.

[Manuel_FZR]

That´s tooooo cooooool .... 4 cases and only 2 breaks at the tip oif the barel ... great!

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by Flamingo


funny that mine and the rest of the world's goes to 20...
You my friend, need to do some reading.

-matt

Not on Full Auto...

[Mango]

FA is important because........:confused:

[cphilip]

Originally posted by AGD
They would really appreciate it if someone could come up with a gun or configuration that goes beyond 13 bps. If you have one give them a call.

AGD

Give me their number Tom and I will call em and tell em about............................................. ...............The EMAG!!!!!!! :D

[Manuel_FZR]

Originally posted by SprayingMango
FA is important because........:confused:

The 20bps is an example of what is possible! And not what is important.
No one can trigger nearly as fast as 20bps, but it´s cool to know, what your gun/hopper is possible to do.
And I think, is there a better performance-example for a hopper and a gun, than to shoot 20bps with no chops and no shootdown?

So, it´s not the point: "The Mag is faster than the Angel" because no one can outtrigger a Angel or Mag in semi; so both are fast enough.
It´s the point: The Mag can do 20bps and the Halo can feed it. That´s it.

[Dragoon]

I'd love to see this video, but I seem to be RealPlayer challenged. Any chance for another format??

Douglas

[synreal]

Originally posted by Dragoon
I'd love to see this video, but I seem to be RealPlayer challenged. Any chance for another format??

Douglas

anyone who still has a copy of RealPlayer 8 or previous (NOT RealOne, like me :( ) can use a tool called Tinra to extract a RealVideo stream to an AVI, then recompress it to whatever format they deem fit.

[Dragoon]

Originally posted by synreal


anyone who still has a copy of RealPlayer 8 or previous (NOT RealOne, like me :( ) can use a tool called Tinra to extract a RealVideo stream to an AVI, then recompress it to whatever format they deem fit.

Well I guess I'm more than just RealPlayer challanged, since I have no idea of how to do what you just mentioned.

Any chance someone can do what synreal just said then post the results here?

Thanks all.

Douglas

[Potatoboy]

Rob and I did it last night, check the first post again.

TINRA isn't good. I used EO Video.

[RoadDawg]

That angel is rather slow compared to the Emag. It is cool for the fact that knowing a gun can shoot that fast but who needs to shoot 20 bps at someone. STILL it is a freaking awesome video.

[Top Secret]

For those interested, I'll run a HALO B + WarpFeed and Angel LED Full-Auto 15bps test video when my HALO B arrives. And when can I pick up that full auto board for my Emag. :D

Tom, while I personally haven't had any breech breaks with my Emag or Minimag, I'm more than happy to get Lvl 10 upgrades for my Minimag and Emag.

[BlackVCG]

I don't think the cool thing about the video is the 20bps FA the E-Mag can put out, but rather the fact that the gun isn't skipping a beat. I should think your average Level 7 E-Mag with vertical feed would turn into a cuasin art at that speed. :)

[BTAutoMag]

Originally posted by AGD
!" 3 cases of Hellfire and 1 of something else all at 20 BPS with two barrel breaks at the tip of the barrel.
wow

[DJSOLID]

That thing is scary.

[TheMagMan]

That's funny, I already shoot 20 bps with Don's Emagnum board from Modified Paintball. Great video btw (except for the angel:p )

[virus]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

very steady.... no skips in the shooting.... glad to see i'm not the only one that runs a line from a scuba to the gun (granted mine hooks upto my fill nipple on the hpa tank 1st... but still) =)

welp i'm conviniced on the halos now.... now if i could only get an Emag with a Zgrip ( i can just imagine hybrid with a 1k input).... i would be in heaven..... oh the possiblities...

[FeelTheRT]

Originally posted by Flamingo


funny that mine and the rest of the world's goes to 20...
You my friend, need to do some reading.

-matt

20 only on semi... on any other modes the max is 13... i think U need to research your gun some more...

[Dragoon]

Thanks for the diferent format guys.
Quite the show eh!

Douglas

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by TheMagMan
That's funny, I already shoot 20 bps with Don's Emagnum board from Modified Paintball. Great video btw (except for the angel:p )

Yep... Only 4 people have seen the force! Be proud you have e-micromagnum #0001.

I have e-magnum #0001.

The original E-magnums.

Gonna get the belt drive and try out 27 BPS with warp. Oh yeah you can get that valve to cycle as fast as you want if you jack the pressure up far enough!

Finals week here up in Bing. E-magnum videos coming out next week YAY!

Stay tuned kiddies even more vids to add to your rapid fire E-mag collection!

[Ultimator]

Originally posted by FeelTheRT
ya... too bad it won't go anyhigher than 13 right? someone knows their Anegls :rolleyes: [/B]

I've seen people fan angel triggers at 15 bps. YOu're tripping.

E-mags are still better though :)

[Edit: I just saw your new post ... my mistake ;)]

[liigod]

10 cases thu my timmy = 0 breaks
7 cases thu my f5 = 0 breaks
although that gun is fast

that gun shoots 2880 bucks per minuite if you do the math!

[BTAutoMag]

Originally posted by Butterfingers
Gonna get the belt drive and try out 27 BPS with warp. Oh yeah you can get that valve to cycle as fast as you want if you jack the pressure up far enough!
ha ha
eat that cocker jock

[DjGruv]

SWEET! When do the colored Halo's come out. SO much for your ball bobble myth!!!:p :rolleyes:

[Kneedragger]

Originally posted by Flamingo


funny that mine and the rest of the world's goes to 20...
You my friend, need to do some reading.

-matt

Well then, post a video of YOUR Angel shooting 20 BPS on full auto.

[Manuel_FZR]

Help:
What paint is this in the video? Is it Diablo Hellfire?

[BTAutoMag]

they tell you in the opening post.

[Manuel_FZR]

Originally posted by BTAutoMag
they tell you in the opening post.

No. Tom only said - 3 cases of Hellfire and 1 of another. So: what do we see in the video? Is it the brittle Hellfire?

[krafty]

Damn, that's one cool video. Even though I won't be buying an emag anytime soon (financial reasons... not that I don't drool every time I see one) it'll be nice to know that I can get my minimag to shoot that fragile paint without having to carry 4 squeegies onto the field. :)

[azzkikr]

well I would love to put a video of my ripper shoting 20bps in FA but I don't have a video camera. later AZZKIKR

its very possible, I've done it

[Miscue]

Originally posted by BlackVCG
First of all, don't blame AGD for what was shown in the video. That video is from the guys at HALO. Why it was set to 13bps I don't know, the stock ROF in FA is suppose to be 16bps. At least you can see how 13bps and 20bps compare.

My guess is that Odyssey wanted the Angel to operate correctly during the comparison. :p

[-§on-]

YI! Thats freakin fast....Oh by the way Flamingo all the LCD angels are Capped, Yes C-A-P-P-E-D at 13bps. Read the owners Manual. Read the Info sheets online, better yet just buy the gun for real and stop making stuff up.

[FutureMagOwner]

watched it once my reaction= holy mother of god!
watched it again with rob zombie playing at the same= SWEET MERCIFUL C***!!!!!!!!!!

[Bonx0007]

Tom can this same rate be acheived with powerfeed. It would seem that since the ball stack has to bend that it actually might take slightly longer for it to load that fast. I understand the concept of powerfeed and what it does I am just wondering if at that high of a flow rate(20bps) is it possible for powerfeed to let the balls in fast enough. It probably can but I would like to see it.;)

[FrozenLightning]

Have you tried it with an E Matrix from Aardvark? They can get 22 bps. And they are quiet. I'd love to see that competition.
Mike Oh and where can you buy this?

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by FrozenLightning
Have you tried it with an E Matrix from Aardvark? They can get 22 bps. And they are quiet. I'd love to see that competition.
Mike Oh and where can you buy this?

Is that with paint? cause I can cycle the e-magnum over 30 cps dryfire.

[FrozenLightning]

Yes it's with paint. The E mag is cool but I just like the E Matrix.
Mike

[Bonx0007]

Originally posted by FrozenLightning
Have you tried it with an E Matrix from Aardvark? They can get 22 bps. And they are quiet.

As Morpheus would say "Show me.":cool:

[Manuel_FZR]

... it´s Diablo Hellfire what we see in the video ... the brittle Hellfire ... great!!!

[rx2]

It seems that some take this demo to be a competition between an E-Mag and an Angel. I don't think that anyone is trying to show the E-Mag to be superior to an Angel, or whatever other marker you may choose to imagine. The thread is "level 10 demo...," so perhpas they are merely trying to demonstrate that a level 10 modded 'Mag is capable of keeping pace, breakwise, with a gun such as an Angel, even at a significantly higher ROF. It has already been demonstrated that an E-Mag can fire FAST, so this serves rather to dispel the blender association (and, of course, to show that the HALO is FAST).

[Cristobal]

WOWZERS, that's fast!

Way to go Odyssey and AGD!

[AGD]

Please, PLEASE someone come up with a video of other guns shooting PAINT at 20 bps. Lots of posts and still no video. Send me the tape I will compile it.

AGD

[martlet1]

You guys, it takes some pretty sophisticated equipment to even count how fast a gun is shooting per second. 22 balls.. uh.. no way. I'm still trying to get all 20 in the AGD video. I think its pretty close. I slowed it down with the digital editor and i get 18 clicks per second most of the time on it. thats counting the click at the very beginning and the very end of a digital second. The AGD video is very sketchy as far as the sound goes to analize. I would believe Tom K. over the b.s. and rumors you hear.

Put up or shut up. Its that simple. Until someone can come up with a video that outdoes this one. I'd say this is the fastest marker around.... for now.

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by BlackVCG
I don't think the cool thing about the video is the 20bps FA the E-Mag can put out, but rather the fact that the gun isn't skipping a beat. I should think your average Level 7 E-Mag with vertical feed would turn into a cuasin art at that speed. :)

I thought emags were like lvl 8 or lvl 9

[luke]

Originally posted by FrozenLightning
Have you tried it with an E Matrix from Aardvark? They can get 22 bps. And they are quiet. I'd love to see that competition.

Wouldn't WE ALL like to see that!

I do believe we all just saw history in the making. Tom has said from the beginning the RT Valve was capable of 26 BPS, he just proved 20 without breaking paint.

What I would like to see, is a "bench mounted" contest between an Angel (or whatever) and the E-mag. Crony them up, site them on the target and let it rip at the fastest speed possible, let the target tell the story.

[FrozenLightning]

Well if I had a HALO B, I would make you people a video of the Matrix firing at it's fastest. I'm pretty sure I'm going to buy a HALO B, so when I do, I'll make the video. So once I get the HALO B, i'll see how it all works and if it's ok i'll make the vid. There I'm puttin' up lol,
Mike

[steveg]

Soo butter bronx and luke explain why you think the matrix
cannot do 22bps

Yes it will probably have shootdown compared to an RTvalve
but being as how there will be an AGD RT inline one day, that
will be reduced or eliminated (probably with increased operating pressure though)

Equally as valid as show me it can, is show me it can't,
as both claims are unsubstantiated at the moment.

And yes show me it can, is the most valid question at the
moment.

There are after all only two impediments to consistant high
fire rates. first is sufficient bolt open time for a ball
to cleanly feed. any electro-marker+halo b or warp can do that.
second is elimination of shootdown, no question the RT
wins at the moment.

Please note that "I" am not claiming that the Aardvark can
do 22bps i'm just saying WATCH YOUR BACK MAGBOY;)

PS I like my mag to.

[hitech]

Originally posted by azzkikr
well I would love to put a video of my ripper shoting 20bps in FA but I don't have a video camera. later AZZKIKR

its very possible, I've done it

And you can't find ANYONE with one who will tape it for you?

[BTAutoMag]

ok i havent read the whole convo and im slow on gossip. whats a HOLO B?

[shartley]

Halo belt driven

[steveg]

Belt drive, and transparent coloured shells
better that 20bps without gaps

[Butterfingers]

I didnt say I didnt beleive it... Ive just never seen it.

I know the e-mag can do what it can do in the videos cause We have made 5 guns that do the same.

[BTAutoMag]

cool how much do they cost?

[Butterfingers]

www.modifiedpaintball.com

The cost for an e-mag plus the e-magnum upgrade so about $1250 or less depending if we have any sales.

[BTAutoMag]

Originally posted by Butterfingers
www.modifiedpaintball.com

The cost for an e-mag plus the e-magnum upgrade so about $1250 or less depending if we have any sales.

i was talking about the HALO B

[steveg]

HALO B MSRP $150 for colour $140 for black
that would be less at stores of course.

$30 for belt upgrade $30 for colour shell upgrade, both for
the original halo (got this from the hopper forum at pbnation)

my smoke version is on order right now!

[luke]

Yes it will probably have shootdown compared to an RTvalve
That's like saying, "the RT Valve can shoot 35 BPS, but it will have shoot down. :rolleyes:



but being as how there will be an AGD RT inline one day, that
?????



Equally as valid as show me it can, is show me it can't
I didn't bring it up.



What I would like to see, is a "bench mounted" contest between an Angel (or whatever) and the E-mag. Crony them up, site them on the target and let it rip at the fastest speed possible, let the target tell the story.

Peace Bro. :)

[steveg]

what you never heard of the RT inline Its around the site here somewere

right here http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28428&highlight=rt+inline in fact:cool:

[Bunkrking]

Originally posted by Flamingo


funny that mine and the rest of the world's goes to 20...
You my friend, need to do some reading.

-matt

Actually, the angel will only shoot 13 in full auto. Although it will shoot 20 in semi-auto.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by BTAutoMag


i was talking about the HALO B

Gotta get on the phone with Halo

[Manuel_FZR]

Here it is:

Angel ir3 20bps HALO Video (http://www.angel-owners.com/frazer/ir3_rapid.mov)

Not bad ;)

[Cypres0099]

Are you sure it's a movie? All I got was sound. A weird sound too. It started off fine then it stepped down once then again at the end. What's with that?:confused: Shoot down?

[MantisMag]

i think it's the camera switching angles. i'm having problems viewing the video too but i can see a few frames of it. every frame is at a different angle and they seem to coincide with the changes in the sound.

[Cypres0099]

Oh, ok. I still don't get what's up with the video.

[joker4hire]

It's a quicktime clip, so if you don't have it installed on your computer, you won't beable to see it properly.

You can download quicktime at www.apple.com

You must of associated a .mov file with windows media player, or some other player.

It doesn't say its shooting 20bps tho.. it's just 3 clips of different angels shooting rounds very fast :confused:

[AssassN]

If someone already posted this i sorry but, notice how the e-mag runs out b4 angel thats a good sign. And not one chopped ball.

[AGD]

Hummm...don't quite know what to make of the IR3 video.

AGD

[MrShutter]

Wow, that is hella fast.

[Butterfingers]

they were testing the COPS there were a few sputters in there where the gun failed to feed a paintball and the COPS kicked in. You can hear the interruptions in the beat.

[Manuel_FZR]

You need the newest Quicktime (i think, version 5.0.2);
How can we check, if these are 20bps? In my opinion, it sounds slower than 20bps ...

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by Bonx0007
My God that Angel is so slow!!!

I can not believe that was 20bps on a vert feed. insane. ooo show me more please. I am buying LVL 10 without a doubt.:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Now why do you want to by an Angel???????:D
Damn,remember no one can shoot that fast in semi,plus PSP rules limit all guns to 13 bps,don't drool too much.The whole point is you'll NEVER be able to outshoot your hopper.

[RiceRocket]

What I think is great is that the Emag and the IR3 are being compared to each other. We all know since the release of the first Angel that it quickly became THE gun on the tournament scene. Now the company that had a stronghold on the semi-auto market during the inception of semi-autos and it's fall from the top, is now the company (or gun) by which others are compared to again. Competition is alive and well for both these gun-makers and we as players will reap the rewards - if you can afford it, that is. Soon there will not be THE gun, but rather which of the top guns would you rather have...

[Bonx0007]

Originally posted by WARPED1

Damn,remember no one can shoot that fast in semi,plus PSP rules limit all guns to 13 bps,don't drool too much.The whole point is you'll NEVER be able to outshoot your hopper.


I understand that. Your totally correct. Before, the Angel had superior firepower and that was about it. In shooting both guns I feel that the Emag is a much faster and solid feeling marker. Its rugidness is also an attribute that I adore. The fact that I was "drooling" is if you were shooting slower and had a harder shelled paint the reliability would be insane. Sometimes I feel a little scared to rip out the shots on my mag for fear of getting a break inside the gun. With Lvl ten that fear is gone. My drooling is over this huge accomplishment that the markers(Mags) are finally out preforming human hand therefore the reliability and performance capabilities will have a new standard to answer to. Stating what you just said is like saying why would you drool over a Dodge Viper? Sure they can go over 200mph stock but the speed limit on the streets is only 65. I can drool as much as I like.;)

[Bonx0007]

Did anyone notice how oddly edited that Angel film was. they only gave about a second of sound and vid in every angle. My guess is that they changed the camera angle and sound clip every sec so as not to record shootdown. Give us a longshot of the gun preforming like the Emag and I will believe it. Also a little better film quality would be nice.

:cool:

[BlackVCG]

I think it's rather pathetic that anyone complains about seeing a video of a paintball gun shooting at 20bps FA because it's "impractical" and the average person doesn't have access to the software to make their gun do so. Of course it's impractical! Does the average person go out and buy a C5 Corvette to drive it at 140mph? Not that I know of. Does the average person like the fact that their car will go 140mph? You bet! This isn't trying to show the practicality of the gun but rather to push it to the limit and show its capabilities. It's advertising. Why do you think automotive manufacturers show commericals of their SUV's climbing physically impossible hills and pulling out all of the other SUV's because their SUV is "better"? None of those commericals are intended to show the beneficial uses of the vehicle, but rather they're used to "show" the product to the consumer and the "wow" factor of the commerical is typically more entertaining than seeing the vehicle drive down a straight stretch of road.

It's the same thing with this E-Mag video. The majority of you will ever be able to shoot your E-Mags at 20bps but I'm sure it's nice to see the capabilities of your gun. Granted this isn't as extreme as the aforementioned advertisements, it's still not a practical display of the E-Mag and HALO. No one ever said it was. The thread wasn't titled "E-Mag and HALO in Action at the Field". This is an advertisement for the HALO and E-Mag. There's all sorts of ways to advertise a product, this just happens to be one of the typical ways to do so.

[Bonx0007]

Well stated. Exactly my point BlackVCG. Thank you for stating it clearer. I am picking up my EMAG today. I will post pics.

[TRIXXER321]

HOLY CRAP! THAT'S INSANE!

[WARPED1]

Yes,yes it is.Now all the anti-HALO people i have met and argued with that said,"nothing can go faster than my revvie with the xboard"can sit down and shut up:).

[muska1807]

liiGod---10 cases thu my timmy = 0 breaks
7 cases thu my f5 = 0 breaks
although that gun is fast

that gun shoots 2880 bucks per minuite if you do the math!




what r u talking about im guessing ur not very smart or typo. 20balls a sec times 60 secs in a muinute equals 1200 which is actually around 30 bucks. so now i know it wasnt a typo.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :p

[BlackVCG]

I believe he intended to say per hour, but I could be wrong. However, with his number of 2880 that comes down to about 4 cents per ball which is reasonable.

[Prairie]

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36601

[Bonx0007]

Tom you should post a real time countdown clock for when you are going to unleash lvl 10 on the world.

[Kneedragger]

Originally posted by WARPED1

Damn,remember no one can shoot that fast in semi,plus PSP rules limit all guns to 13 bps,don't drool too much.The whole point is you'll NEVER be able to outshoot your hopper.

Just remember that maybe 5% of the paintball players world wide compete in the PSP/NPPL. The other 95% could care less.

[bofh]

Originally posted by Kneedragger


Just remember that maybe 5% of the paintball players world wide compete in the PSP/NPPL. The other 95% could care less.

Wow, it's possible to care less? I thought I was already at the lower limit of caring... :)

[Kneedragger]

Originally posted by bofh


Wow, it's possible to care less? I thought I was already at the lower limit of caring... :)

I was trying to be gracious. :D

[samvalentine]

its nice to see the feeding capability on paintguns finally increase. its certaily long over due.

[paintballerpm]

For one thing full auto is illegal like eveywhere, so who cares how fast you can turn it up. How does that in any way have to do how good a gun is. And, angels only go to 20bps on semi. However, if you were a reputable company, and wanted an angel on 20bps full auto, strictly for test pirposes, it might be possible to get one specially made. Considering the fact that it would obliterate the e-mag.

[BTAutoMag]

Originally posted by paintballerpm
For one thing full auto is illegal like eveywhere, so who cares how fast you can turn it up. How does that in any way have to do how good a gun is. And, angels only go to 20bps on semi. However, if you were a reputable company, and wanted an angel on 20bps full auto, strictly for test pirposes, it might be possible to get one specially made. Considering the fact that it would obliterate the e-mag.
we know... we just wanted to prove something to non believers

[AGD]

Well you know we are STILL waiting for that Angel 20 bps video, or any other gun for that matter.....


AGD

[Tunaman]

I foresee a very long wait...I wouldn't hold your breath waitng TK.....as if you don't already know that hehe...:D :D

[paintballerpm]

well now, that wasn't such a long wait was it? I just happen to have found the very video of a brand new angel IR3 on full auto at 20 balls per second.

This is a short video, with a brand new ir3 using the cops sensor. The marker is set on full auto (20 bps) and Frazer is testing adjustments at the factory for the sensor. Zero ball breaks!

http://www.angel-owners.com/frazer/20ps.mov


Remember, you saw this here first!

This movie file is also property of Angel-Owners.com, graciously given to us from WDP. So you want to see it... gotta see it here

So there you go

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by paintballerpm
For one thing full auto is illegal like eveywhere, so who cares how fast you can turn it up. How does that in any way have to do how good a gun is. And, angels only go to 20bps on semi. However, if you were a reputable company, and wanted an angel on 20bps full auto, strictly for test pirposes, it might be possible to get one specially made. Considering the fact that it would obliterate the e-mag.
Its just nice to know you won't be able to outshoot your hopper!That's all I have to say about that..............

[bofh]

Originally posted by paintballerpm
well now, that wasn't such a long wait was it? I just happen to have found the very video of a brand new angel IR3 on full auto at 20 balls per second.

This is a short video, with a brand new ir3 using the cops sensor. The marker is set on full auto (20 bps)

Keep waiting... have you actually counted the BPS on that video? I don't believe that 20bps was reached... the angel was set at 20bps, for sure, but the COPS brings it down to something close to 17 or so. Go ahead, count the waveform.

Now I don't want to dis the Angel here, 17bps is a very very fast number that has no need to be exceeded. It also is a very fine marker that I'd wouldn't mind owning one day... However...

But my beef is with People who claim that it can do things it can't and therefore makes it a better marker? And claiming if it could, it would "obliterate" the E-mag? Gah.

Right here I have a PGP...and if I could move my arms fast enough, which something that has to deal with my personal slowness, not the marker, it could shoot at 20 bps and therefore is better in everyway to the E-Mag and the Angel. :)

[WARPED1]

The Angel was set at 13,no COPS was used,it was a normal LCD,not an IR3.

[rehme]

the emag was whooping some ***. I know i want to upgrade my mag to the emag and show all the angel owners who has the fastest gun at the field. :D



-mark rehme

[MagKoko]

Guys guys, don't turn this thread into an E-Mag Vs. Angel thread... *sigh*

*Round of Applause* Excellent video... so much paint, i wish i could waste that much just to feel guns fire that fast... and lvl 10 of course :D

[triggerman]

thats thats thats just insane, thank you agd I am in love. Please give us the lvl 10 soon.

[Marek]

Well it was worth the wait....downloading i mean....(28k connection is kinda slow, go figure) Great job, as everyone and their mother has already said.

What i luv the most is the fact that ppl r nervous about Mags. (in the good sense, as in ppl that r against Mags) Left and right, ppl sayin that this gun can do 22 bps and this other one can do 23 bps and blah blah blah. Its cute that they are becomin defensive, as they see the rise of greatness of AGD.

Guys, dont fear change, it was meant to happen sometime. The thing im happy about is that i can try and shoot as fast as i can, in the back to cover the skinny ppl runnin, and not worry that something bad will happen. (Just a side note, but ive been playin for months now and on 3 different guns and never once a break) Thats great if u ask me, no worries, being happy. If ur gun can do that, thats great, but this is not a "my gun is better than Mags" post its a "ppl from Halo w/Emag shooting alot of $$$paint$$$" post.

So honestly, I dont care if u can prove that ur gun can shoot 75 bps or not. I own a Mag, im a proud and happy owner of a Mini, and have no plans on "upgrading" (note the sarcasm) to another marker. (i.e. angels, cockers, blah blah blah)