Analyze this...

[donggie]

http://us.share.geocities.com/dariel4g67/MOV00001.MPG

[oldsoldier]

good god! How....what...DAMN! I must say, I am impressed! Is that w/the eboard? I may have to pick one up before shatnerball....

[donggie]

Originally posted by oldsoldier
good god! How....what...DAMN! I must say, I am impressed! Is that w/the eboard? I may have to pick one up before shatnerball....

Sure is!

This is butterfigers. Im over at dons right now playing with cockers n' stuff :)

[oldsoldier]

got some questions about it...you have achat program? LMK which one...

[AcemanPB]

..................wow

[personman]

I bet if that wasnt electronic you could tape the trigger down and stick it underwater and it would liek go 10 mph
:D

[Kaiser Bob]

Holy shiznit! Is that the 30 bps as promised? Someone chop this sucker up already!!! :D

[wimag]

man oh man now that is speed

[donggie]

All ye of little ... or no faith. That's the emagnum board by MPP. C'mon, have we ever steered you wrong?

Don

[paintbattler]

man, whats fast

[Yatta!]

:eek:

[Butterfingers]

Ahh back home... so what do you think... :)

Im gonna let the curiosity get the best of you... how many bps was that...?

[InfinatyBPS]

thats fast:D

[Cypres0099]

I'll take a guess.... 26?

[synreal]

thats looks like 30bps to me...

[Cypres0099]

Wow, It does look like 30! Was that hooked up to a scuba?

And synreal what program is that? I was looking for one that would show the sound with video.

[RT_Luver]

really fast......whats all I got to say

[Butterfingers]

Yep a scuba with a wide open valve with 900-1000 psi left.

NO airsystems can keep up.

We have on our hands a gun that can outshoot all current air and feed systems.

[rx2]

Having analyzed with several high-end audio and video programs, I would concur that the speed is definately 30 cycles per second.

Note the barrel condom. It is amusing to see the speed at which it is vibrating.

I am assuming that there is complete bolt cycling, and that this would actually fire paint if a feeder could keep up. Is this an accurate assumption?

[keiphers]

I'm curious as to how many (if any) shots that thing could fire without a break if equiped with a Halo B or something Warp fed.

[Butterfingers]

yep 30 complete cycles per second. If there was a loader that was fast enough it would fire 30 .

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by keiphers
I'm curious as to how many (if any) shots that thing could fire without a break if equiped with a Halo B or something Warp fed.

I wouldent want to know :)

[keiphers]

Now that the thing fires 30 bps, what can feed it? Hmm... eWarp... no... Warpmagnum board... Or it can just be the official paint blender. Now for the real test... get the level 10 mod and stick your finger in front of the bolt... cycling at 30 bps... and see what happens.

[donggie]

Butterfingers,

I dare to differ. I was the first to get it to cycle at 30 BPS with a System X 68 4500psi tank. Remember?

Don

[Kaiser Bob]

A jacked up warp can handle 30 bps in itself, the issue is what to feed the warp. :D

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by donggie
Butterfingers,

I dare to differ. I was the first to get it to cycle at 30 BPS with a System X 68 4500psi tank. Remember?

Don

Yes I do recall. I stand corrected. Pretty imprssive for a screw in. You do know you have just committed us to another video :)

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by keiphers
Now that the thing fires 30 bps, what can feed it? Hmm... eWarp... no... Warpmagnum board... Or it can just be the official paint blender. Now for the real test... get the level 10 mod and stick your finger in front of the bolt... cycling at 30 bps... and see what happens.

We have a handy dandy tank reg performance tester :)

And yes a jacked up warp could proably feed it. but there would be nothing to feed the warp. Perhaps a jacked up halo... TEX ? Chris? you reading?

[Cypres0099]

I was just reading about Wicked Air Sports' secretive "Corkscrew" loader they say it will be able to feed 35bps. Hmmmm, I sense a test coming on.:) Oh and they also say it can be set up to be on the side of your gun like a warp. :confused:

[paintbattler]

man, this became a huge thread

[donggie]

Butter, how much you willing to wager that the emagnum board still doesn't make it's way into the guns of majority of those who posted?

Don

[Butterfingers]

It better! We are willing to ship anywhere even internationally.

We just gotta get the info out to people.

Little faith in your own product heh!


So what don is trying to say is that all of you should buy an e-mag and e-magnum upgrade from him. :)

Umm don... im not sure it the watch hypnosis works in real life.

[magman007]

i rhink don is right, i wish i had the money redily available for one, but i dont, and i dont think any body here does, and if they did they wouldnt spend it, i wish they would, more people should have this

[pip_999]

got 30bps?

jeeezzz

[personman]

Originally posted by Cypres0099
I was just reading about Wicked Air Sports' secretive "Corkscrew" loader they say it will be able to feed 35bps. Hmmmm, I sense a test coming on.:) Oh and they also say it can be set up to be on the side of your gun like a warp. :confused:
Wut duz it do? Screw balls with a cork? :confused:

[AcemanPB]

yeah can you post a link about that corkscrew loader?

[Cypres0099]

I don't know anything else really. Like I said they are very secretive. :)

Here ya go

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=101886&highlight=cork

[donggie]

Any takers?

Don

[FooTemps]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! FOOTEMPS WANT! COOL! NEEDS TO GET EMAG FIRST!!!

[Bwaites]

Donggie and Butterfingers,

That is wicked cool, but I'm not sure what the real life application is. No tourneys I know allow full auto, and everything is limited to 13 BPS even in semiautos by manufacturer agreement, at least that is the way I understand it! I don't even know anyone who can sustain more than 5 BPS in semiauto for more than 2-3 seconds

I want an emagnum board, but can't figure out a way to justify it. If you can help me justify it, I would be a taker!

Bill

[Butterfingers]

you have to feel the trigger to justify the board in semi mode.

The concept is also the same as the timmy SOB semi only board. The trigger will pick up input faster than the 16 bps the stock board allows.

The board is about 2x more sensitive to HES input vs. the stock board.

The battery also lasts longer the board is more efficent.

IT also has those cool firing modes for scenarios and putzing around.

[automag223]

:eek:



(hes speachless)

[Dubstar112]

How hot did the valve get there? I bet it was smokin. Damn.. That makes me wanna sell my impulse. Have you any boards for any other guns yet? Id take one for an Impulse if you had them..

[Butterfingers]

The back of the gun was warm after testing but nothing too exteme.

[spacemanspiff]

Wow that is sick. I would lvoe to take one now but I'm waiting on the ACE/ LvL 10. With all of those combined together is one sick marker. I can't remeber but does your board support the ACE and what affect do you think the lvl 10 will have on the firing rate. Oh and when the next time you guys going to be out at the fields I would like to come out and check it.

[Butterfingers]

Orignally we were sure that the eye would work, but the agd changed the ACE now we are not sure to be 100 percent sure we need to get our hand on an extreme.

[Croix71]

Looks great guys! Keep up the good work. :D

Sorry Don, no E-Magnum board for me right now. You know where I spent all my money. :eek:

[Temo Vryce]

Well I can't honsetly post the first words that came out of my mouth because this is a family type forum, but geez whiz guys that was really cool. The Barrel condom dancing was a really nice side affect. Has anyone posted a link to that video on any of the angel/bushie/impy/cocker forums? Man that would shut them up.

As for the feed system. Correct me if I'm wrong here but won't a straight tube feed at over 30 bps? I know Warpig used one in their loader compairison. If you got yourself a 4' tube and mounted the mag and tube you could paint a target nicely. I would suggest using the jacked up warp so you don't have any blow back up the tube. It's not practical for the field but it would make a hell of a video.

[FutureMagOwner]

don can i test it for you... send me an emag with the board and ill spread the word to all of ri and beyond!

im telling you you should send out some emags with the emagnum board for a few ao members to test out(id give you all my guns that i have for an emag like that :D)

[Butterfingers]

A straight tube will only feed 60 bps if it is in freefall.

we might be able to do it if we hook a straight tube to a warp and screw around with the pulley ratios in the warp.

[FutureMagOwner]

now i have an idea you send these for testing to 3 lucky ao members(me and 2 others :D) we test it out with our insanity to see if it works in field conditions in diferent areas and then for all that valuable information you give us the guns for a reduced price!!!!

sound like a plan :D :D

[Bad_Knees]

Don, I'll send some pandesal, ube, leche flan, rice cakes, cheese rolls...just name it! To be a beta tester ;)

I won't be an ownder for another year or so...hehe

I would send halo-halo but it would melt by then :rolleyes:

[Kaiser Bob]

Have you even tested the capability of the warp as it is? Adjusting pulley ratios could be a pain, you should use a halo-b and see if the warp outruns it, then use a vertical stack, or a big loop of a specific number of paintballs and 1 different color paintball and count how many times it comes around in 10 sec or something.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by Kaiser Bob
A jacked up warp can handle 30 bps in itself, the issue is what to feed the warp. :D HALO B I bet.

[Butterfingers]

Well. The warp has to feed faster than the cyclic rate of the marker because the feed mechainics of a marker occour in pulses.

A straight tube can feed 60 bps by the force of gravity but because markers have a bolt, it breaks it down into pulses the result is around 13 bps max.

Hehe, ask don about how he tried to make his own belt drive halo... he screwed up the gear ratios BAD! He put a warp pulley on the halo now he has a loader that can blend 100 balls per second :)

I have a bit more patience, im waiting on my professionally and offically done halo B.

[Havoc_online]

that was cool

[manike]

Originally posted by Butterfingers
Well. The warp has to feed faster than the cyclic rate of the marker because the feed mechainics of a marker occour in pulses.

Very true, and the feed rate required goes up exponentially with the ROF (because the cycle time is fixed).

You'll find that when you get to shooting at 30bps the required feed rate from the hopper would be the equivalent to 60bps if the loader wasn't attached to the gun :eek: :D ;)

manike

[TXStorm]

i cant get it to work. when i click on the link it opens up another window and it loads VERY slowly. anyone have a fix or would anyone be willing to download it and send it to me on AIM? thanks

EDIT: nevermind, stupid me. i figured out to right click and "Save As" all i can say is wow...

[Kaiser Bob]

Originally posted by manike


Very true, and the feed rate required goes up exponentially with the ROF (because the cycle time is fixed).

You'll find that when you get to shooting at 30bps the required feed rate from the hopper would be the equivalent to 60bps if the loader wasn't attached to the gun :eek: :D ;)

manike

Sounds like youll need to bump the warp to 18v and get a vertical drop setup to feed it!

[Butterfingers]

sounds like a project :)

build mounts for a huge vertical warp hose stack full of paintballs soup up the warp and fire...

hmm.. now i gotta work on souping up the warp

[BTAutoMag]

:eek: OMG I WANT ONE OF THOSE BOARDS!!!!!!

[rhetor22]

maybe if you got one giant tube to sit ontop of the vertical? like a 4 foot long tube of pvc that was one paintball wide. How fast can gravity feed??

[BTAutoMag]

gravity can feed 13bps but if you stick an open co2 tank at the top of the tube... im sure you can feed faster.

[donggie]

There are already at least 6 working emagnums out there shooting 20BPS in full auto on the field in regular play. Since 30 BPS on the field in full auto is ridiculous, it was just to prove the point that 1, the emag is a very very good gun with much untapped potential, and 2, the board unlocks every parameter that was once unavailable to us. Now, Any takers?

Don

[Jason Reed]

Don
I am down for the e-magnum and will buy one as soon as i get the money. but i need an e-mag first. if you want to send me one to field test i would more than be glad. pm me i am really serious.

[paintslinger]

g0d dammn thats the best thing i've seen this week other than the lvl10 videos. but i got some questions... what did the sear and bolt look like after all that firering??? also if u do geta jacked up warp and some sort of super feeder can u do that with paint and see what the velocity consistancy is like? that would rule if it was like +/- 5fps or something.


p.s. that ruled

[jujigote]

How much is this new board?

[donggie]

Price hasn't changed since it's launch over four months ago. Still 200 bucks shipped and 225 if we do the install.

Don

[Butterfingers]

the sear and SUPERBOLT were absolutely fine. No abnormal wear.

[Havoc_online]

did you try using the mac dev conquest tank for the 30bps? it has a very high flow rate(just wondering)

[Butterfingers]

the conquest does not allow an input of over 600 psi thus it cannot be used.

[paintslinger]

sweet

[Havoc_online]

conquest does not allow an input of over 600 psi

huh? I'm talking about the output of the conquest tank

[paintslinger]

im pretty sure he ment output.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by paintslinger
im pretty sure he ment output.


oops yeah i meant output...

Its 3:00 in NY getting sleepy

[Havoc_online]

:confused: I have the conquest tank, I can set my output to 1,200+ if I want to, it also has I believe the highest flow rate of any tank on the market.

[paintslinger]

i thought the crossfire had the highest flow rate? didn't they do some test at a major tourney and found that out?

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by Havoc_online
:confused: I have the conquest tank, I can set my output to 1,200+ if I want to, it also has I believe the highest flow rate of any tank on the market.

Im confused too i was under the impression given the stats stated on thier website that the mac dev conquest outputted 600 psi max.

[Butterfingers]

Originally posted by paintslinger
i thought the crossfire had the highest flow rate? didn't they do some test at a major tourney and found that out?

That test is somewhat of a farse. They were using angels at 13 bps.

As long as the angel reg flows slower than the tank reg you will get no dropoff from the tank.

Now if you hook that sucker up to an RT valved gun the needle would jump around like a mexican jumping bean.

[paintslinger]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh i c

[Havoc_online]

I've talked to Bourke from Mac Dev and it's recommend for the reg not to be set over 750 or the reg may need a new spring in a few months, it will actually go well over 1,000 with no problems(besides shortening the life of the reg spring and the reg needing a good lube).

p.s. it's a good tank but I am actually hoping to get my hands on a 68/4500 flatline sometime soon.(I'm tired of having to set my output every single time I turn on my tank and the switch of death that is the "on/off")

[Jonno06]

how much for the emag with the emagnum board installed?

is it cheaper for the packaGe?

[Butterfingers]

Im sure don will hook you up if you talk to him about a package deal.

its $225 installed

[MrAirgunRT]

I would. Considering I am getting my E-Mag soon, but the price is more than I can handle. I am getting a new tank, the E-Mag, a new barrel, level 10, and an ASA for my tank. JEEZ thats gonna be alot of cash. Well not as much as most of you think :) but still alot.

[FutureMagOwner]

would i be able to get one of these on a non emag(like install all the components i need for it to work?

[donggie]

What did you have in mind. Please be more specific.

Don

[zads27]

Well, first of all, my sound to my computer isn't hooked up, cuz I'm packing to move.. so it just looks like a crazy vibrator...


Moving on, the conquest isn't designed to be set over 600 psi output.. Someone I know tried it, and collapsed two reg springs putting it over 600 psi output. I suppose someone could easily make a high (higher) pressure reg spring for the conquest, but not many markers (since everyone wants low press) need that high of an output pressure, so I guess it's not that marketable.

It sounds like you're having some trouble selling it, donggie.. I guess the reason would be, that most mag owners (though I try to stay away from generalizations) feel that if it ain't broken, don't fix it..
The main selling points would have to be battery consumption and the higher HES sensitivty, which I want so I can tune my trigger better, but I'm not willing to shell out 200 bucks for it.

I'm not sure how you make your boards, I think you get the PCBs independently and build them custom made.. but maybe a good idea (dunno if you've explored this possibility before) would be to make the board in a different manner, like by rewiring, reprogramming the EPROM or whatever, of the AGD E-mag board, and then offering your Emagnum as an upgrade rather than a replacement, something less than 200, and + a core charge for the E-mag board.. much like how some automotive aftermarket companies do for performance enhancing ECUs. This option would also allow to use the stock buttons on the E-mag (I don't think yours currently uses them, IIRC from posts long past). Just as well, the upgrade would use the same parts as the regular e-mag, such as the LED display socket, HES sensor socket, battery socket, etc,.
Oh, and I suppose it would make the ACE (whenever AGD comes out with it) easier to integrate with your circutry/software.

Blah blah, just putting out some suggestions/ideas out there for ya. LMK what you think.

[FutureMagOwner]

ill get more specific in what i ment

what i ment was would i be able to take the pf mag im buying off a friend and have you install(or send me the parts and ill do it) that will basically make it an emag with emagnum stuff(you can test new stuff on it too for all i care)

[Butterfingers]

you need an e-mag.

[Krazy Ivan]

I would love to pick one up...However I need to grab an Emag first, whether it be used or new...I just have to wait a few months because I JUST bought a shocker and I'm still talking to my girlfriend about how it wasn't a stupid decision to buy another gun.

HOWEVER, an emagnum board will be the FIRST upgrade I buy when I finally get the Emag...Hopefully around my birthday I will have money, or maybe right after X-mas.

Sorry bro, but I couldn't pass up a deal..You can't find an Emag for 350 + accessories.

(One question on the board though. It doesn't mess with the internal workings right? so therefore it will still go through manual and hybrid mode also?)

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Butterfingers
you need an e-mag.

Yeah, saving up for one as we speak.

Don't suppose anyone wants to purchase a couple boxes of decent cigars do they (normally about 180-250 a box)? If I could unload some of those it would definately speed the saving process along!

[MikeCouves]

That's very impressive Don! Imagine what everything will be like in 10 years...

DUDUDUDUDUUDUDUDUDUDUDUdUUDUDUDUDUUD, that will be a snap shot ;).

[Oobynoob]

Is it working for everyone else?

[kevdupuis]

Old thread from June!!

[845]

Originally posted by Cypres0099
I was just reading about Wicked Air Sports' secretive "Corkscrew" loader they say it will be able to feed 35bps. Hmmmm, I sense a test coming on.:) Oh and they also say it can be set up to be on the side of your gun like a warp. :confused:


Where did you read this?:confused:

[Cypres0099]

Where did you read this?

Pbnation's hopper forum and on wickedairsportz.com forum.

[MikeProwse]

amazing! what else can i say

[TRIAD]

You know how a straight piece of pvc pipe can feed > 30 bps, but with blowback it's like 16. Well....what if you hooked pvc up to warp, because there wouldn't be blowback from warp, would there, and then you'd be able to feed it, get like a 20 foot piece, fill with paint, and voila, there you have it.

[joeyjoe367]

wow, that's insane!

now all we need is a hopper that can feed that fast, and carry 50,000 rounds of paint, and a 114ci/6500psi tank!

talk about back-player's dream :)

[Mag89]

thats really fast:D

[NJ_agd47]

that video....wow...just wow...butterfingers thats awesome!

[ntn4502]

eh, I've seen faster

[Butterfingers]

Sorry guys this file is not the one that was originally posted somehow the original file got overwritten and I just realized it.

As soon as I can get in touch with don the post will be edited.

[paintslinger]

i know this is the wrong thread but did that shoot out ever go down at the iao with the emagnum vs. that was guy that was talkin alot of nonsense.