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AGD
06-18-2002, 02:50 AM
It's late and I might have messed something up here. Work with me on this. AGD



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How to Install and Setup your LVL 10 Kit

Ver 1.0

Remove parts
First remove your valve system, unscrew the power tube tip with a coin and take out all the parts from inside the power tube. Put them together with the bolt in a bag and save them. If you ever have problems you can switch back.

Install backing washer
While referring to the LVL 10 parts diagram, first place the backing washer (1) into the bottom of the power tube. Make sure it’s sitting flat on the bottom. Its made from delrin and should go in a little tight and stay there. This washer prevents the new smaller o-ring from getting pushed into the air chamber.

O-ring inside carrier
Pickup one of the brass o-ring carriers (4) and push a power tube o-ring (2) into the end that does not have a tapered hole. It should not go in one side and either slide in or press into the correct side. There are 5 carriers supplied with your kit, each one is a little bigger than the next. They each have small grooves on the outside to help you tell them apart. The more grooves the larger the carrier.

Tune the carrier to the bolt and o-ring
Each batch of o-rings is a little different than the last. In order to compensate for this we need to find the proper size carrier. The idea is to get a good seal with as little friction as possible. Take the carrier with the o-ring installed and push it o-ring first onto the pin sticking out the back of the bolt. If it pushes on too hard then go to a larger carrier, if it slides freely on the pin then go one smaller. The proper fit should be just snug.

Install the o-ring carrier
Lightly lubricate the black o-ring (3) on the outside of the carrier. Push the carrier, o-ring first, into the power tube. Use the blunt end of a plastic pen to fully seat the carrier into the bottom of the power tube. When looking down into the power tube you should NOT see the white power tube o-ring (2).

Install the power tube tip
Next install the new power tube tip (7) it should already have the power tube tip o-ring installed from the factory (6). These new tips have wrench flats to tighten the tips. DO NOT OVERTIGHTEN!! Notice that we did NOT put in the shims (5) at this time.

Test the o-ring carrier
Now slide on your new Superbolt II with your original main spring (not one of the new ones) then reassemble the valve into the marker. Gas the marker up as see if it leaks. If it does leak use your finger or a squeegee to push the front face of the bolt around while its leaking. If the leak changes tone then it’s most likely the wrong o-ring carrier (4) and you have to go to the next one tighter. If it doesn’t leak you have the right carrier and can proceed to the next step.

Shim adjustments
Put a squeegee right in front of the bolt and pull the trigger. With very little clearance between the bolt and squeegee you will notice that the bolt comes forward and just stops on the squeegee. Then nothing else happens. Pulling the trigger does nothing to reset the bolt. In order to get the bolt to reset when it pinches a ball, we have to let the air out of the air chamber. The shims (5) control where in the forward stroke the air chamber starts venting. Its works a lot like the spacers in the original Mags. We left them out before so you could tell the difference between a carrier leak and a shim leak.

Remove the power tube tip (7) and drop in two shims (5). Make SURE they are sitting flat in the bottom of the power tube before you screw the power tube tip on otherwise you will bend them up. Bent shims are useless and you will have to buy more. Reassemble the valve system as before using the original main spring and new Superbolt. Now when you air up the marker it should not leak but when you do the squeegee test you will notice that the air starts venting when the Superbolt moves forward. If you keep adding shims eventually the bolt will just leak all the time. For most people two shims work just fine. If you find that when you pinch a ball the marker locks up and does not reset then add another shim.

Main spring tuning
You are almost finished now. You have probably noticed that when you used the original main spring the bolt came forward with less force than usual but still had enough to chop a ball. The pin in the middle of the bolt is called the Power Piston, it acts like a cork to seal the air chamber. Just like a cork, it’s being pushed out by the air pressure but the sear holds it in. When you fire the marker, the bolt is getting pushed out by the air chamber pressure but the mainspring is pushing BACK against the bolt at the same time. The level 10 modification reduces the size of the “cork” so the main spring has an easier time holding it back. If you put a big enough main spring on the bolt and it will not fire at all!!

The last thing to do is find the right main spring that pushes back hard enough on the bolt but not so hard that the marker does not fire. The right main spring will depend on many things such as what velocity you are shooting, what barrel you are using, the size of your paint etc. Start with the longest mainspring (9) from the LVL10 kit, assemble the valve with it and gas the marker up. Try firing, if it doesn’t fire, turn up the velocity until it does. Turning up the velocity is normal for Level 10 tuning it does not mean anything is wrong. If the marker starts venting out the back or the velocity is too high when it does start firing then the main spring is too long.

Switch to the next shorter main spring. There are three mainsprings supplied in your kit. For the AO beta testers we have cut one coil off the longest main spring to make a “middle” spring. This spring looks funny on one end like it’s missing a coil (cause it is) put that end on the bolt first so the good end is sticking out. In our experience either the longest or the middle main springs make the Level 10 config work on all the markers we have tested. If you need to shoot 250 fps for indoor you need to go back to the original main spring.

Fine tuning
For most people the setup outlined above will make every paintball day a great experience. For those looking to get maximum anti chop with fragile tourney paint we offer the following suggestions. The o-ring friction can be used to additionally slow the bolt down. By going to the next smaller carrier you add an additional layer of protection at the expense of risking bolt stick. You must keep your marker oiled daily to keep it working reliably. The long mainspring can be trimmed to further fine tune the performance. The best performance comes when the marker just starts firing at 270 fps and works reliably at 290 fps.

The penalty for over tuning is the fact that the marker may occasionally refuse to fire. This is because the main spring combined with the power tub o-ring has too much sticktion to let the bolt go forward. Try at your own risk.

That’s it! Your new Level 10 marker is ready to go!!

Kaiser Bob
06-18-2002, 03:08 AM
Wow, thats facinating how that all comes together. The only thing i am unclear on is how the carrier changes the diameter of the white oring, does it compresses the oring when its seated in the groove at even the largest carrier size?

S14-Racer
06-18-2002, 03:44 AM
Very nice discription even at this hour!!! Makes this so clear now, and its great to see (while it may be a little more troublesome than its worth to some) that you included a very broad range of adjustments to fit different users guns. Im sure itll be great when it gets to me. It allows the user to fine tune just that much more to what they want in their 'Mag.

Im glad I chose to get another mag after my 3yr break from PB. The only thing Im curious of is if there will be a parts kit in the future, just in case one may loose an o-ring or saomething. Once again great work and as always thanks for the top-notch diagrams :) :)

AGD
06-18-2002, 03:53 AM
The hole in the carrier that the oring sits in gets smaller in the different carriers. This has the effect of making the hole in the middle of the oring smaller.

I am getting better at the graphics huh??!!

AGD

BEEFYSAUSAGE
06-18-2002, 04:18 AM
You sir are AMAZING...you guys need a holiday or something
just to reward yourselves.

excessenemy
06-18-2002, 07:50 AM
so there is no more need for powertube spacers?

Bonx0007
06-18-2002, 09:16 AM
I can't believe someone thought of this....:eek:

Jonno06
06-18-2002, 09:25 AM
Tom.....will you marry me?

FrAuStY
06-18-2002, 09:26 AM
I agree with excessenemy, I think the o-ring carrier replaces the PT spacer

mykroft
06-18-2002, 09:28 AM
From the description, I'm assuming that the marker needs to be tuned for a specified velocity range.

IE: I play regularily at 2 fields, 1 outdoor, with a field speed of 285fps, and 1 indoor, with field speed 230fps. So in order to get top performance I will need to setup the marker for each field, correct? Of course, once I have setups dialed in for each, it will just be a matter of swapping shims/mainsprings, right?

paintbattler
06-18-2002, 09:50 AM
woah, thats kool. whats with all the small parts in the superbolt?

Schnitzel
06-18-2002, 10:12 AM
looks to me like I'm gonna have to read real hard to get this setup right. Tom, maybe you could make a small video or movie clip that demonstrates the proper installation and adjustment of the superbolt II? I tend to follow directions better when i see them performed...

Vegeta
06-18-2002, 10:15 AM
Nice work Tom. Notice the man did all this at 3:50 AM... I think the last 3 nights Tom hasn't gone to sleep till after 5 in the morning..... :/

S14-Racer
06-18-2002, 10:49 AM
Cool thats what I was thinking as well. The backing washer and carrier act as a compression fitting for the o-ring.

Mykroft you may be right. If you shoot a med spring at lower fps would you need the long spring for higher fps?

And Tom those cut-outs on the parts are exceptionally clean. Good job :)

TITAN
06-18-2002, 10:50 AM
as soon as i get some extra money after my ir3 im ordering this along with a retro valve and an intelliframe :D

very very good job agd team

RT_Luver
06-18-2002, 11:06 AM
thats really cool. Thanks Tom...U da man

Duke Henry
06-18-2002, 11:12 AM
Stupid question about the LX, will it become standard on all new Mags? i.e. RT Pro's? Or, will they be order-able with the upgrade already installed?

If so, I will likely hold off buying an RT PRO until the LX is available...

Manuel_FZR
06-18-2002, 11:39 AM
... I´m really looking forward to tune my Minis for maximum antichop ... great ... can´t wait to install lvl10 to my valve. Thank you Tom, thank you AGD!

selfdestruct
06-18-2002, 12:12 PM
Thats one pretty superbolt! Duke Henry I'm sure they will start adding them to the new guns they produce. Thanks for showing us Tom! I can't wait to get it!

BlackVCG
06-18-2002, 01:51 PM
I'm assuming that the only thing you'd need to mess with would be the main spring adjustment. You'll need one that keeps the bolt moving at a slow speed at high velocities and one for low velocities, which would probably be your stock spring. This is my assumption, but I don't think you'll need to mess with the shim adjustment unless you really want to fine tune it or have problems. This is a guess, but possibly larger paint will make the bolt stop earlier in the stroke, thus not letting the air vent as with smaller paint. So you might need to add one shim for larger paint. That's a guess based on how the system works, I'm not sure how sensitive the shim adjustment is and if a few thousandths difference in paint size will make that much of a difference.



Originally posted by mykroft
From the description, I'm assuming that the marker needs to be tuned for a specified velocity range.

IE: I play regularily at 2 fields, 1 outdoor, with a field speed of 285fps, and 1 indoor, with field speed 230fps. So in order to get top performance I will need to setup the marker for each field, correct? Of course, once I have setups dialed in for each, it will just be a matter of swapping shims/mainsprings, right?

MikeCouves
06-18-2002, 04:39 PM
This is going to be cool! I will finally have something to tinker with easily while all the cocker people sit there with piles of parts and wrenches =).

Yatta!
06-18-2002, 05:33 PM
And the mag looses a bit of what it is great for...simplicity. But oh well, no chopping!


Yatta!


Edit:Oh yeah, Im with Schnitzel, Im a visual learner and ask could you make a video?

magman007
06-18-2002, 07:07 PM
yes, tom could we please have a vhs tape? my computer is crap and videos kill it. could we please have a vhs tape? id pay like 10 bux to make sure my marker is set up correctly if i could watch the video with it. when i service my guns i usually always watch the video the first coupple o times

paintslinger
06-18-2002, 09:24 PM
wow thats so kool. cant wait till i get money so i can get me one... us mag guys can finally tinker with our guns YAYYYYYYY.

ciaran.mooney
06-19-2002, 12:01 PM
Will this be available in the UK? If it is how much will it cost in good ole pounds sterling?

SGT FURY
06-20-2002, 07:14 AM
could you fix the page so it can be printed?
thanks,kc

Strider
06-20-2002, 09:43 AM
Here is a document I built for that purpose. :)

Strider
06-20-2002, 09:44 AM
Oh, BTW, that last one was in Wordperfect Format.

Here is one in MSWord...

RT pRo AuToMaG
06-21-2002, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by paintbattler
woah, thats kool. whats with all the small parts in the superbolt?


It has small parts so when i get mine, i can lose them (i try really hard not to lose anything, but somehow, i allways manage to lose something). I LOVE IT TOM, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!



~~Saia

AngelBoy
06-24-2002, 03:46 PM
Any way that we can get out of tuning it? I'm a mag newbie and don't understand any of that. Is it ever going to just be a whole bolt or will we always have to do all that stuff?

SkElL~ObIsSiS
06-24-2002, 05:16 PM
that vid was worthless, it was in an unrecognizable format for microsoft player, what did u use to make it?

RT_Luver
06-30-2002, 03:56 PM
ok, a few questins.

1. will the final version of the Lvl 10 have more parts for more fine tuning, and will all the springs be complete(e.i. Tom said that the middle spring has one ring chopped off so it looks incomplete, will that strping be complete or will it look like that)

2. the field I play at mainly has a 275fps rule. which spring do you think would work best at that?

manike
06-30-2002, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by ciaran.mooney
Will this be available in the UK? If it is how much will it cost in good ole pounds sterling?

Yep, see this link... http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40813

The beta version is something like 50£ + VAT I think, but don't quote me :D Call AGDE and order one asap. It is more than worth every penny by about 100X!!! It's transformed my RT.

RT_Luver I expect the final kit will come with complete springs. With my RT's I've been able to get 275 with the longest spring. My RT is currently running around 290 with the largest spring.

manike