infrarred trigger?

[oslorat]

what about an infrarred light trigger where the bem reflects off the trigger guard and when ever you break the beam it fires 1,3 or 5 bps and so on or a constant break in the beam can be set to full auto. i have been werknin on this one for a while...give me some feed back!
levi

[Sledgehammer]

What good would that do?

[oslorat]

here think about it: instead of pullin a triger and releasing it all ou have to do is break a light beam thus incresaing finger sreed in turn increasing ROF! thax levi

[Magic37220]

WDP has already done it. They stopped production of IR3s for a month or two to put on the "optical" triggers. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[oslorat]

im gonna put it all in one trigger frame though and make it a aftermarket trigger frame.. the only problem i have come up w/ is batterie space but im think about a custom drop foward that come w it wich you can put 2-3 AA batteried or maby a foregrip for a 9-12 volt depending on how many volts i need...

[oslorat]

mine will be an after market trigger frame for sale to mags, spyders, and all other none electro guns. i have run into a problem w/ batterrie space..i think a custom drop foward will come w/ the gun that will hold 2-3 AA batteries or a fore grip that holds a 9-12 volt depending on how many volts i need. thanx, levi

[wyn1370]

so far you've double posted a topic
posted a topic in two forums
and have won the award for the longest sig yet
who wants to start a pool to see how long he'll last around here?

[Patron God of Pirates]

Someone should right a guide thread for new posters.

[314159]

Originally posted by oslorat
im gonna put it all in one trigger frame though and make it a aftermarket trigger frame.. the only problem i have come up w/ is batterie space but im think about a custom drop foward that come w it wich you can put 2-3 AA batteried or maby a foregrip for a 9-12 volt depending on how many volts i need...

what about the amps? ;)

for example, i have this device that generates 150,000 volts at 1 microamp. i show it to nerobro, he asks what the metalic strap is for by where he put his hand. i asked him how he felt about being the other half of the circuit. ;) told him not to worry, because it is the amps that get you.

oslorat, at first glance, you do not strike me as proficient in electronics. i just wonder, what plans you have to pull this off?

[oslorat]

i know the basics but that one reason i am here is for help. im soryy bout the sig. it wasnt suposed to be so long and i posted this a few places to get more attention. ive been wondering obut the infrarred switch..i cant find how one werks so im not sur how to ste up micro switches and stuff to be compattable to the infrarred switch. i will be asking for help as i run into problems. thanx for all the help. levi

[314159]

well the way that a marker would have it's microswitches would be to either pull up, or pull down a voltage on one of the wires connected to the trigger. so you would probally need to send either a positive, or the ground signal to one of the wires on the trigger. beyond that, without being specific to the marker......

[oslorat]

ok thats awesome...im gonna draw up a cad or draft a couple of ideas on st up scan them and post them here asap. pleses more feedback. is it a worthwhile idea if i can get it running well?
levi

[Sledgehammer]

Well, me as a person who handles firearms professionally, I like the feel of a real trigger and can't see any real advantage in a "virtual trigger", but maybe that's just me and basically a matter of personal preference. However, I can see a potential problem with your idea: What about bright sunlight? How do you want to prevent the sun from shooting your gun?

[oslorat]

the infrarred would werk like the saftey device on a garage door. it works in all sunlight and has a long distane to beam 10-20 ft i wil be using a smaller but powerful beam that only has to blast 1 1/2-2 INCHES. the advantage would be w/ some practice you could use 3 fingers to shoot and the ROF could be tripple that of a stock mag, spyder pirahna ect.
levi

[shartley]

I was going to make a long post (and actually had it written), but after reading it, although true, I thought that some members would think I was being too harsh….. so I will just say the following:

I don’t have much confidence that this product will ever make it into production. Not because of the product itself but other unrelated factors.

[dansim]

DO A SEARCH I HAVE made an idea like this months ago and many people have to so search for some more info on a useless product

[oslorat]

i dont care what you said dansim. i am gonna make a product. prove it works and prove it improves ROF for the cheapest amount of money possible and when i make some and give them away to be tested i will modify them until ppl love them and then i will sell them to the common player so they can feel better about there 200 dolla gun w/ a 150-200 dolla grip frame against a 1200 dolla angel and be able to accually keep up not like the hyper craps and stuff. i am talkng about an accuall werking product to improve ROF and game. the sport we play is always expanding and ne player should be open to new ideas and offer support and not a negative reaction even if they believe it is a terrible off the wall idea. paintball is a comraderie and a family and if you had a crazy idea that could possibly werk how would you feel if you only got a negative reaction. please remember the fellowship of the paintball player and how competative the sport is and how little possative support it get from the common media so lets support eachother and not our selves and make paintball and x-games or even an olympic event! i sick of all the negative ppl and crap in paintball. and its not the media that makes it crapy its the common player being foolish or not using common sense. let paintball players unite become one and storm the world w/ our great sport. and stop being so petty twards eachother.
levi

[shartley]

Again, I was going to post a much longer post than what I am going to....


:rolleyes:

ahhh I feel better now. :D

[oslorat]

ay what you have to say shartly....be preparred fored for my opinion when your done though.

[Kaiser Bob]

There have actually been triggerless guns made by using HES and the like. The biggest problem with the light trigger is that 1. Its not tournament legal and 2. Very easy to accidently discharge, therefore fields would make them illegal.

[oslorat]

my designe wont be able to accidently discharge.the saftey is 2 on-off switches on the sides of the gun like the old mvi shockers...and the trigger will be within tourny rules...1 break of the beam equils 1 pull and realese of the trigger.
levi

[Timmee]

Would this even be legal at most fields? Also, I took the trigger return spring out of my Rainmaker, and that made the trigger pull way too light. I prefer a little resistance when pulling the trigger, and I don't think I could get used to pulling no trigger. Now, if you used an ir transmitter/reciever to sense when the trigger was pulled, that might work well (the trigger would have a hole in it, and when the beam was broken, the marker would fire).

[Mega Man]

well I have to agree with others on this one, I personally dont think this thing will ever happen, and even if it did and it worked fairly good it probably wouldnt be allowed in tourneys and at most local feilds, then for those woods players who do alot of crawling and stuff their would be alot of blades of grass and other such things that could block the beam causing a miss fire....just my 2 cents though...

[Vegeta]

Hmmm.. Sam I will take over here.

Not going to ever make it to a prototype. Why?

1) You clearly don't understand solid state electronics (you proved that by making this comment: "2-3 AA batteried or maby a foregrip for a 9-12 volt depending on how many volts i need... " . As any electronics hobbist should know, the amount of voltage is not a factor. Amperage is. Now I do not see how you could have any intention of going through a project like this, which would require knowledge of how to etch a PCB and program a pic controller to operate a solenoid and take data from a IR device.

2) You have shown your newness and intellegence in the sport with this comment:
"when i make some and give them away to be tested i will modify them until ppl love them and then i will sell them to the common player so they can feel better about there 200 dolla gun w/ a 150-200 dolla grip frame against a 1200 dolla angel and be able to accually keep up not like the hyper craps and stuff. i am talkng about an accuall werking product to improve ROF and game. "

For one they make frames that have modes just like that of 1200 dollar guns in 200 frames (you stated this). And players can keep up with higher end markers with their 200 dollar guns with 200 dollar frames. That is the point of the aftermarket electronic frame.

3. I doubt you have any background in machining. Making a frame requires you not ony to make hte electronics in the frame but also to.. you guessed it... make the frame. This is no easy task. And taking a Highschool CAD course or Jr High shop class doesn't mean you know how to use a CNC Lathe/Mill. It also takes thousands of dollars in software to make CAD models to be tooled on the machines. This is an area I know a bit about since I am a freelace 3D Graphic artist (and if you don't belive me, http://mikee.deviantart.com has my credentials).

4. This is the big one. We have people here at AO that have had that idea. Go read in Deep Blue. There are people like Pi, Nerobro, and who can forget Tom, who have much more experience in the filed that can't do this. For one machining a grip costs money or requires someone to have a milling station which is not common.


My point is there are people with much greater knowledge in the filed that have had this idea and dumped it.

If you think you can do it by all means try it, but don't get dissapointed when you find out that you are in over your head.

[314159]

exodus riecently posted on pbnation about a similar idea, looks like it got grounded by a lack of resources..... maby you could take over his work where he left off, or go in on it together.

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114868

[Vegeta]

Oh I forgot to mention- the NPPL has a ban on any trigger-less frame or any frame that fires more than one ball with one pull (IE reative trigger frames (discontinued) or seasaw triggers))

[oslorat]

first of all i wont be doing this alone. me father and a friend are electronic geniouses..they will be doing that part and i have experieance in milling, latheing and most metal fabrication. not to mention composit fabrication. i am only new to this forum not the sport and desing of gear. i have desinged and built many things for my gun that i havent shared w. the public. like how to make a full auto non electro spyder (really it was a gt2000, and it was sweet spotting but it was terribly easy to do) but you ppl look and the negatives do them math have faith in your selves and uses basic common sense and youll be amazed at what you find.

[mxracer33x]

well me father and me might not be geniouses but we know a failed attempt at a lame idea when we see it.

If your so smart try a spell checker before posting.

Have a nice day :p

[Vegeta]

We would love to see any pics of anything you have fabricated for your markers.




No seriously we are all techhie pic whores here.

[Timmee]

Basic common sense? Most fields don't allow full auto due to insurance regulations in that regard. Since you're idea would allow enhanced fire mode and full auto (as you stated in your original post), anyone with this frame wouldn't be able to use it at the field. Which means renegade play, where people don't always have common sense about safety. With the rather large chance of an accidental discharge with your system, coupled with the sometimes lax safety of renegade play, it's a huge chance of a major injury happening. We aren't trying to discourage you from coming up with a good upgrade, we're trying to point out that your current idea isn't a marketable one. And that IS common sense.

[oslorat]

timee, obviously you did show common sense by readin all the posts...the firing modes would be switchable on the LCD frame. i will scan al my mods and home made upgrades for ne guns i have once my scanner is working.

[KAPP667]

well if oslo gets this thing actually up and working i'd e really interested in checking these things out.

yeah maybe some people don't like this new trigger but some pro's still will only shoot single triggers (glenn forester, dynasty)

Hell its a brilliant idea, if people didn't come up with these supposedly crazy ideas we'd still be shooting all pumps and using 25cent balls.

[Timmee]

Originally posted by oslorat
timee, obviously you did show common sense by readin all the posts...the firing modes would be switchable on the LCD frame. i will scan al my mods and home made upgrades for ne guns i have once my scanner is working.

I think you're still missing the point that it wouldn't be allowed on most fields, or in tournaments. You need a physical trigger in the frame.

[oslorat]

timmee. you missed another key part of the convo. EVERY TIME THE BEAM IS BROkEN THE "TRIGGER ACCUATER" FIRES AND RESETS THERE FOR EVER BREAK EQUILLS 1 PULL AND RELEASE OF THE TRIGGER THUS MAKING IT LEGAL. please if you going to comment on the topic read all and understand all before putting in your imput. thanx, levi

[dansim]

YOU NEED TO HAVE A TRIGGER TO MAKE IT LEAGAL nto a frickin beam of light , you need a trigger and if you say make a trigger frame withg a trigger that breaks a beam of light im gonna laugh at you , how can you be genius's with out even know enough html code to put up a pic? go ahead build something

[dansim]

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31040&highlight=infared+trigger may i say unoriginal at most check the date perhaps intelectual properties?

YOUR NOT A UNIque Little Snow FlaKE

[Timmee]

Originally posted by oslorat
timmee. you missed another key part of the convo. EVERY TIME THE BEAM IS BROkEN THE "TRIGGER ACCUATER" FIRES AND RESETS THERE FOR EVER BREAK EQUILLS 1 PULL AND RELEASE OF THE TRIGGER THUS MAKING IT LEGAL. please if you going to comment on the topic read all and understand all before putting in your imput. thanx, levi

Actually, I think YOU missed a key part of my post. I also understand the topic and am trying to make you see some light. If your finger breaks the beam of light, it's not legal. If a piece of metal or plastic approximating a trigger (and pushed by your finger) breaks the beam of light, you're all set.

[dansim]

Originally posted by Timmee


If a piece of metal or plastic approximating a trigger (and pushed by your finger) breaks the beam of light, you're all set.

until you get sued by wdp

[314159]

Originally posted by KAPP667
Hell its a brilliant idea, if people didn't come up with these supposedly crazy ideas we'd still be shooting all pumps and using 25cent balls.

i still don't see the negative of this

mmmmmm, first paint gets expensive.... then everyone will revert back to pumps.... then there will be world peace ;)

[FalconGuy016]

Would you stop bashing this guy, and just give him comments that will actually help him??? Especially since he appears serious about this?? I know a lot of you are but its getting worse.


I think a product like this would have to be like revolutionarily good to actually sell. I think there would be strain on the fingers not actually pulling a trigger, just ... moving them around I suppose. I dunno if this is such a great idea to follow. But, you can try.

[Timmee]

Originally posted by FalconGuy016
Would you stop bashing this guy, and just give him comments that will actually help him??? Especially since he appears serious about this?? I know a lot of you are but its getting worse.


I think a product like this would have to be like revolutionarily good to actually sell. I think there would be strain on the fingers not actually pulling a trigger, just ... moving them around I suppose. I dunno if this is such a great idea to follow. But, you can try.

I am trying to help oslorat. It is a neat concept, but that still doesn't change anything. Unfortunately, the fact is that his idea won't be allowed on most fields.

[Shirow]

I like pulling triggers, fingering a beam of light sounds kinda fruity :)

[shartley]

Who is worse? The one who tells Johnny that there is no way on earth he can run through a lava flow, and list all the reasons why… or the *supportive* friend who pats Johnny on the back and says, “Go for it! You never know until you try. And if you make it, I will be here for you.”

Judging from what I have read thus far, his producing a working model of his trigger, and then producing it in any numbers while marketing it as well, is akin to that lava flow. (not to mention all the other reasons he should not even waste his time on it as a viable product.. personal project, sure... product for the general populous, no.)

Yes, sometimes being honest does not provide the answers or response that people want. But in that case, he should not have posted on AO and more so asked for feedback…

i have been werknin on this one for a while...give me some feed back!
And if you actually READ what he wrote, it says a lot……
:rolleyes:

[oslorat]

thanx to every one who offered positave support. w are currently modifying a benchmark frame for the set up idea to mount the electronics.(dont tell benchmark....hehe) and ill be bak now and then for tach support. pleas if neone has ideas of feedbak post it ill check up on this for a while. thanx all. levi

[puckmaster]

Man, If i had an idea that got bashed around as much as he did, i be afraid to post here again.

Its a somewhat good idea, but how would you "pull" it? You could just basicly make a trigger similar to bushmasters, where you could tap it on the side and it shoots. I;m not even sure it it will even increase ROF.

[oslorat]

heres how the ROF would increase. every time you pass through the beam it shoots. when you finger passes back through the beam in an opposit direction it fires again. imagin how fast you could shoot using 3 fingers w/ some practice. were talkn 20 a bps.+! and there is less strain on the fingers in long scenerio games or drawn out games.

[shartley]

Originally posted by puckmaster
Man, If i had an idea that got bashed around as much as he did, i be afraid to post here again.
I am sorry you feel that way. It is also evident that you missed what really happened on this thread, and like the author, convieniently want to ignore that this has already been discussed here on AO.

You also fail to realize that there was more to many of our comments than just his idea. Please feel free to go back and read ALL of the posts again.

[oslorat]

obviously shartly is lost cause i said i didnt care what was said before about this topic. i am here to regenerate ideas and come up w/ a userfriendly werking product....for the 50 millionth time.

[Sinnet]

Originally posted by oslorat
obviously shartly is lost cause i said i didnt care what was said before about this topic. i am here to regenerate ideas and come up w/ a userfriendly werking product....for the 50 millionth time.

PLEASE! find a spellcheck somewhere and USE IT! Heck, there's one at the bottom of the page when you post! Blarghelarharb!






ahem :D

sorry, just a pet peeve of mine

[Shirow]

obviously shartly is lost cause i said i didnt care what was said before about this topic. i am here to regenerate ideas and come up w/ a userfriendly werking product....for the 50 millionth time.

You should make a heat seeking paintball gun that is fired on brain waves.

[Timmee]

I've changed my mind. Oslorat, I wish you all the luck in your project. Granted, when you show up at the field with your new grip frame, you'll probably need luck to get to play with it.


Originally posted by oslorat
heres how the ROF would increase. every time you pass through the beam it shoots. when you finger passes back through the beam in an opposit direction it fires again. imagin how fast you could shoot using 3 fingers w/ some practice. were talkn 20 a bps.+! and there is less strain on the fingers in long scenerio games or drawn out games.

Using that method would be an auto-response trigger. Hope you don't play tournaments.

[Acid Burn]

Levi (aka:Oslorat) man you didn't do any of that electronic stuff man I live right down the street from you. That GT-2000 was mine I sold you, you didn't make it full auto. And man where you going to get electronics to get this stuff you got fired at your job from Taco Bell. How you going to make this stuff like in your garage when you don't have anything!( electronics, tools, metal, etc.) Your not doing anything with a benchmark frame company the benchmark frame is on my gun. You can't scan any pictures you have nothing to scan! Keep dreamn man

[Patron God of Pirates]

I have a similar idear I go to werk in:

A Thermil opponent detector. It will use thermil imaging technoligy to fire the gun only when a target crosses it's shooting area.

Think about how great that would be. You wouldn't even have to pull a trigger. You could just point your gun at a bunker and it wil shoot whenever someone pops out.

You wouldn't even have to play! You could just put your marker in a stand and peeple would just get shot. You could sit behind the bunker and eat chips or sumthing!

This IDEAR FRIKIN! RULEZ!

:) :) :D :D

[shartley]

Originally posted by Patron God of Pirates
I have a similar idear I go to werk in:

A Thermil opponent detector. It will use thermil imaging technoligy to fire the gun only when a target crosses it's shooting area.

Think about how great that would be. You wouldn't even have to pull a trigger. You could just point your gun at a bunker and it wil shoot whenever someone pops out.

You wouldn't even have to play! You could just put your marker in a stand and peeple would just get shot. You could sit behind the bunker and eat chips or sumthing!

This IDEAR FRIKIN! RULEZ!

:) :) :D :D
LOLROF!!! Too funny!

But might I suggest one that scans brain waves? Because if it fires when someone pops out, you will have ball travel time to mess with. But if you could tell BEFORE they popped out and shot a bit before they did… BINGO! :D::D:D

[Sinnet]

shartley, i'm afraid your idea is out of place in this thread. you spelled everything perfectly :D

[dansim]

wow mommy must of bought him a puter for his bdayand no hes tryin to impress us

[puckmaster]

I am sorry you feel that way. It is also evident that you missed what really happened on this thread, and like the author, convieniently want to ignore that this has already been discussed here on AO.

I know this has already have been threads posted before that dealed with this topic. What I meant was a new, original, idea. Not this which has already been discused.i think this is a stupid idea, and it is not original at all.


heres how the ROF would increase. every time you pass through the beam it shoots. when you finger passes back through the beam in an opposit direction it fires again. imagin how fast you could shoot using 3 fingers w/ some practice. were talkn 20 a bps.+! and there is less strain on the fingers in long scenerio games or drawn out games.

NO! you said one ball per pull and release(or whatever the hell you call it) Now it is autoresponse, It has already been made. let us see how many tournys you play on with that.

I also read all the posts carefully this time.;)