Need Help! AO Member has Mail Frauded me!

[Magsrule3]

Well, on the 13th of this month I replied to this thread: http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49888&highlight=99+Shocker

I talked with iNEEDaN2tank! on AIM and we decided that I would trade my 99 Cocker w/ acessories, a 88/3k PMI tank, and $80 for his 99 Shocker. We both agreed on shipping the next morning, Sat. the 14th, using USPS Priority with tracking and insurance. On Sat I boxed it and sent it to the adress he gave me. He said he wopuld do the same as me. His adress is:

Edited out Address but saved on file - cphilip

The following day he sent me this email:


From: "andrew james" <overbenwah@hotmail.com> | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
To: shawn3939@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:57:34 -0700

Why didnt you send the autococker package out?Where you trying to rip me off.Well the tracking code doesn't work.As soon as I would see the package being shipped thru the tracking number, I would have sent mine.


Then he sent another:


From: "andrew james" <overbenwah@hotmail.com> | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
To: shawn3939@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 12:47:59 -0700

sorry for the earler e-mail, the gun is shipped.

On Mon. I sent this to him:


>From: Shawn Colameco <shawn3939@yahoo.com>
>To: andrew james <overbenwah@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:13:31 -0700 (PDT)
>
Hey whats up? So, the Shocker is in the mail? I just wanna make sure.

He said:

From: "andrew james" <overbenwah@hotmail.com> | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
To: shawn3939@yahoo.com
Subject: Re:
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:17:09 -0700

yes, it's in the mail, i lost the tracking number so i have to call up
priority guys,sorry.

That was fine with me, but when the pacakge didnt come by Thurs. I was worried. So I sent this email to him.

>From: Shawn Colameco <shawn3939@yahoo.com>
>To: andrew james <overbenwah@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re:
>Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:14:19 -0700 (PDT)
>
Hey, did you find the tracking number yet? Its been 4 days and its not here yet, did you ship it priority, cause it should of been here today at
the latest. Email ASAP so I know if its coming or not.

And he said:

From: "andrew james" <overbenwah@hotmail.com> | This is Spam | Add to Address Book
To: shawn3939@yahoo.com
Subject: Re:
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:14:59 -0700

hey, sorry, i got the address mixed up.I just sent priority because of the mistake.The gun will be there sat.So sorry again.Bye

He said he shipped it priority, and its still not here yet. I have sent him several more emails asking where the package is and what the tracking number is. He hasnt responded to me yet. So I sent another email saying I want the gun by tommorow(MON. 23rd), or I wanted my cocker, tank, and cash back. He still hasnt responded, so I sent another saying if you dont respond or if I dont see the package by tomorow(today) I would report you to either AO, the post office, or the police. He has yet to respond, and I would like my stuff back. Is there anything I can do to get it back?

His AO name is: iNEEDaN2tank!
His "real" name is: Andrew Ignacio of San Diego
His email is: overbenwah@hotmail.com>

I have both the tracking and insurance receits from the post office, and his my package was confirmed delivered to his residence.

[Magsrule3]

Oh yah his AIM name is: lyfeissublyme

[hitech]

I don't know what to tell you to do now, but in the future I'd use a third party trader.

[cphilip]

geeez...he is like registered the 8th of this month...has 22 posts here and most of them on his trade thread...A member of AO? Hardly...his posts are squirrley too. How could you ever even get into a deal with this one?

OK guys go beat him up or something... ;)

[1stdeadeye]

You need to go to your local post office and report this for what it is MAIL FRAUD . That makes it a federal offense and not a state one. A postal inspector calling him to investigate this might get him moving. How did you send the money? A check or Money Order? Put a stop payment on it so you get you $90.00 back. Hurry up though. Don't give him time to cover up his tracks.

Good luck.

[HIKARU]

That would really suck if you really did get ripped off.

I say "really" because I've read so many threads that were along these lines and ended up being nothing but hot air and alot of fuss.

I hope you get your gun and that this is nothing but a big misunderstanding.

On the other hand you did your part of the transaction and if the guy really did rip you off you can take legal action.

If worst comes to worst you know where he lives. Use your imagination on that one, lol.

[Magsrule3]

I gave him a money order, I still have the receipt but hes probally already cashed it. Man im pissed

[TRIAD]

You should've called the PO sooner. They keep a list of lost/stolen MO's and cross-reference when cashing them. So, give them a call, but he probably already cashed it. But talk to PO about mail fraud, the best you can do now.

[Magsrule3]

Does anybody here live in San Diego that could look up this guys phone number? I beleie he lived on "Fonax" or "conax" street.

[Magsrule3]

How do I go about filing for Mail Fraud, at the P.O or the police? Argh, Im so mad right now, Im probally not even gonna go to AO N.E day now

[Restola]

Well folks with feedback-sigs can add this guy...

[Tom Sparkman]

Start here:

http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors/fraud/welcome.htm

Good luck,
Tom

[DiRTyBuNNy]

did someone say San Diego? ching-ching? Hello..am I not the resident SoCal pimp in the box for Ao?

[Corona]

i dont know what to tell ya i feel bad for ya but most likely nothing will be done about this since u just mailed him a package with no request for money or anything...
it would be like me mailing you something with no intent to get anything in return but saying you was suposed to send me something...... and trying to get u in trouble.
you basically got screwed bro =(

[Timmee]

You said it was insured, right? Does that cover something like your situation? Either way, I'd get the Post Office involved. Sorry to hear about your situation, and I hope you re-consider the A-1 meet. If it's equipment you need, I can bring extra to let you use.

[FeuerFri]

that realy sux dude, some guy ripped off my minimag back at the start of summer, and i havent played up untill this coming sunday. it blows, i tryed to do anything in my ability to get it back but they told me i can't really do anything.

[MicroB]

I live in San Diego (whats up dirtybunny). FYI! The zip code you list is for the area of Otay Mesa, this is the last city before the U.S./Mexico border. This area is notorius for all illegal activity especially theft. If this guy did cross you, he most likely gave you a friends name or his name and a friends address. No one here would likley be able to track him down. Please post a better description of your gun(color, year, type of drop, etc.), if you have the serial # of your cocker would also be helpful. I'll pass along the info to my freinds at all the shops( I used to ref. so I know ALOT of people and owners of shops). Velocity paintball is the closest and biggest shop in that area( they are who I used to work for). If your gun goes there for any reason they will take the serial #. If its yours they'll keep it for me, and I'll have them send it to you.

Sorry, B

PS Velocity gets stolen guns all the time!

[Magsrule3]

Its a black, RF, 99 Cocker
I sent it with a black CP .689 12", PMI perfect drop, WGP quick release bolt, stock trigger frame, stock pneus w/ an extra lpr and extra ACI 3 way, stock reg. The tank was a 88/3k PMI tank with a 2000 date.

[Magsrule3]

I just filed out the form and sent it to the PO. I am so incredibly mad right now, if I ever catch this person hes never gonna see daylight again..

[Magsrule3]

I found his adress and phone number:

Ignacio, Thomas A
2831 Donax Ave
San Diego, CA 92154

[rudy]

I know its too late to say this but, people you have use more common sense, the guys name was Ineedan2tank? what kind of a name is that obviosly not one that some one plans on building refrences and a history on. the name is nothing more then a advertisement in itself. Its a good idea also to make sure you build yourself a little expirence and refrences so that if you get into a situation where the other person does not have my to prove he is a good trader then you can request they send first, and they will have reasonable proof that you are honest. I have never had a trade go bad and i send stuff out all the time first. but i always make sure the person has soem history and a few refrences that I recognise.

the good news is that if the area this guy is in is as bad as suggested you can probably fork out 50 bucks and hire someone from there to track the guy down and get you gun back and maybe give him a black eye on the side.

[Magsrule3]

Good news! The rat must have gotten scared when I told him I was going to get the police and post office involved, and the package came today. Weird thing is that he shipped the shocker in the box i sent to him, and it had a large hole in the side was all banged up. Then he didnt include the double trigger he said he would, the elbow was cracked and the air assist line was cut in half? Oh well, IM just glad this is finally over with and I think Im not gonna be trading online for quite a while. Thanks to everyone who helped, and let this be a lesson for everyone-Know who your trading with!

[1stdeadeye]

Congrats!

Be more careful next time. ;)

[hitech]

Originally posted by Magsrule3
...IM just glad this is finally over with and I think Im not gonna be trading online for quite a while.

Try a "third party trader" next time. That's what I am doing. :D

[FutureMagOwner]

besides being an absolute turd wad and cutting up the gas line did he do any damage to the gun? also if he didnt send the double trigger like he said its still mail fraud. and id still have someone go beat em up;)

[HIKARU]

Magsrule3,

After you posted the address the AGD Mafia decided to pay a visit and "take care" of the situation.

[Magsrule3]

Excellent. You made him an offer he couldnt resist? lol

[shartley]

There are actual Laws that concern Mail Fraud…. And it is a Federal Offense. Your local Post Office will have all the information you need. Seems the logical place to start… not on AO.

[The Frymarker]

Well I know exactly how you feel. I traded my time which was abot 42 hours worth of painting a marker and $90 for another person in return for something custom made by them.

I have never seen the product nor heard from them again.

My husband is still upset at the whole situation.

I just know that from now on I only get paid for my time and vice versa.

Glad to hear you got your shocker.

:)

[Elwood]

I had somethin like that happen to me too. This guy off Ebay was sellin a smart mag. He said it was in perfect workin order. I got it and it was nowhere near functional. I sent it in to AGD and after a month the bill for the repairs was 87 dollars. This guy ripped me off. Its alright, though. The mag is runnin smooth now.

[DaosBeoulve]

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51898

[FeelTheRT]

can one of the mods give out his IP address? I could trace him. Lets just hope its a static IP.

[1stdeadeye]

I just dropped a link to this thread in his newest post!:D
Hope that helps out!!

[iNEEDaN2tank!]

First of all I wasn't trying to rip your dumbass off, you were trying to on me. I didn't check my e-mail until i got back home from my weekend trip when it was the day that you would recive my gun. I sent it right before i left.Obviously you were very impacient.You took 2 weeks longer than you said you mailed your gun.I dont know why your trying to make me have a bad rep.You were the one who messed up.Finally i checked my e-mail which i got 3 a day from you saying you were going to call the cops.No i didnt get scared.....i didnt even read the e-mails until the day you got the gun(i have tracking confirmation).Infact, the day you got your gun, your mother called my house and i told her what happened and she said ok, then about 3 hours later she got my gun in the mail.Your just an immature kid giving people bad reps.

[iNEEDaN2tank!]

Just wanted to tell every on to read the above thread by me, he has made a big mistake in posting bad about me, he is a bad trader because he sent 2 weeks later than he said. He now has the gun, but i was not aware of his impacient self. It's not my fault i have a life and don't check my e-mail everyday.

[TRIAD]

There is ABSOLUTELY no need for name-calling. For the most part, you kept your cool, which makes people believe you more than if you swear a lot. Guys, show the facts, let everyone decide. This sounds like a large misunderstanding, but N2 tank needs to explain more before I make a judgement. And N2 tank, when you're doing a trade, you SHOULD check your mail every day. I do until the trade is completed. Contact is good guys, contact is good. Most trades can be completed SOO much better with a little bit of communication.

[iNEEDaN2tank!]

alright, thanks for the adive triad.

[Magsrule3]

thats pretty funny since it was confirmed shipped to you and you said you already shipped the shocker to me-which you didnt because Priortity mail only takes 2-3 days not 7 you moron.

[cphilip]

Lets see some proof I got two sales threads from you all the sudden and I am not gonna let stand if you are here to scam or even if I feel you are. And you posted them in Dealers to boot i had to move em. So show me the proof...No ones is gonna scam here if I can help it iNEEDaN2tank!

Magsrule3 lets go over this time line one more time. I do not want to accuse someone falsly of this.

Courts in session!


Tracking numbers? shipping methods? Communications and emails?

[Magsrule3]

Emails I received from him/her in chronological order:

(9/15)Why didnt you send the autococker package out?Where you trying to rip me off.Well the tracking code doesn't work.As soon as I would see the package being shipped thru the tracking number, I would have sent mine.

(9/15)sorry for the earler e-mail, the gun is shipped.

(9/16)yes, it's in the mail, i lost the tracking number so i have to call up priority guys,sorry.

(9/19)hey, sorry, i got the address mixed up.I just sent priority because of the mistake.The gun will be there sat.So sorry again.Bye

It still hadnt come yet, and I sent him more emails saying
I wanted the gun or my stuff back. No responses. He said he would mail it the same time he didnt. On the box it says he shipped it on the 23rd-not the 15th like he said he would. I did not receive the pacakge until the 26th. The trackig number on the box is- 0301 0120 0005 0088 3911 If you would like to verify it.

My tracking number on the box sent to him is: 0301 0120 0005 0472 1110 And as you can see on the USPS website my package was CONFIRMED delivered on sept 16th at 10:52 am. So in fact he/she was lying when they said I did not ship the gun for two weeks.

Case closed

[Magsrule3]

http://www.usps.com/shipping/trackandconfirm.htm Here is the site to check the Confirmation numbers and you can see that I shipped on time and he didnt.

[pbguy888]

What would really totaly make my decision is if they just took a pic of the recipets , and the box's and gun and stuff if they got diggy cams.

[Magsrule3]

I have no camera, but I will try to have all the receipts scanned tommorow at my friensd house.

[iNEEDaN2tank!]

pwel ill just post elswhere, automags.org is for no life losers anyway, mags suck

[TRIAD]

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50049

Looks like we have a major problem here and need some people to get together and call the police.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=41059

that's a mail-fraud report thread, it's a sticky, you can just look in buyer-trader feedback.

[barretc]

take his adress and submit it to a bunch of gay porn websites....lol....really....unless you wanna go to court with it...and make it more exspensive than its worth..you cant really do anyhting....i got ripped 2 tiems and submitting them did nothing for me getting my stuff or payments ...

[shartley]

Originally posted by iNEEDaN2tank!
pwel ill just post elswhere, automags.org is for no life losers anyway, mags suck
Now THAT is a good way to win a case. Sorry, in my book you lost all credibility.

As for all the rest, come on folks, it is nice warning folks about bad traders, but when a crime is committed, call the Authorities. Like I said, there are laws covering these things. You can be a victim, or you can use the system to make things right. You pay for it with your taxes..... use it. ;)

[MagKoko]

*shakes his head* no integrity *sigh*

[cphilip]

Track & Confirm
Delivery Status
You entered 0301 0120 0005 0472 1110

Your item was delivered at 10:52 am on September 16, 2002 in SAN DIEGO, CA 92154.

Track & Confirm
Delivery Status
You entered 0301 0120 0005 0088 3911

Your item was delivered at 10:40 am on September 26, 2002 in SCITUATE, MA 02066.

Guilty as charged. Game set match....:mad:

[cphilip]

Originally posted by iNEEDaN2tank!
pwel ill just post elswhere, automags.org is for no life losers anyway, mags suck

Good plan! please do that... :rolleyes:

[1stdeadeye]

I wanna see the Judge CPhillip show! ;) :p

Heck if Judge Judy's husband can get a show, why shouldn't CPhillip!

[cphilip]

I gonna get Kelly Watson to be my Bailiff!!! :D

[Magsrule3]

Thank god this is over with-I cant stand liers.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by cphilip
I gonna get Kelly Watson to be my Bailiff!!! :D

Hey this is AO! Shouldn't it be Capo?:p

[cphilip]

Well... I did think about it but I am certain she would not wear the Robe I had designed in my mind for the job...well...come to think of it I doubt Kelly will either!

What the name of them Angel girls again? ;) :D

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by cphilip
Well... I did think about it but I am certain she would not wear the Robe I had designed in my mind for the job...well...come to think of it I doubt Kelly will either!

What the name of them Angel girls again? ;) :D

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

:eek:

[yeahthatsme]

Ladies and gentlemen. scammers and victims. welcome to the JUDGE PHIL SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



go uncle phill!!!!!!:D:D:D

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

i think it should be Dr. Judge CPhil Show

[HoppysMag]

all rise judge phill presiding ( SP)... *** insert people court theme here***

[alf]

AO,

i have traded with magsrule3....my mailroom wound up getting HIS package lost, and i didnt receive it for about 3 weeks after tracking info said it had arrived...

he was REALLY cool with me...i kept telling him that i was checking the mail room daily (which i was)...and he didnt hit the panic button...

in my opinion...if he hit the panic button, it was well justified.

-alf

[Magsrule3]

Thanks for the referance Alf!

[alf]

anytime, bro....

[Magsrule3]

I just received this IM from him, I thought it was kinda random. This is the first time hes talked to me since he tried to rip me off.

LyfeIsSubLyMe (8:51:37 PM): Your such an immature *******. You damn little kids abuse the net with your damn non sense and idiotic thread. You post about the stupidest things. You are a stupid *******. Automags suck. They really suck, but people with automags just have this pride problem.........That's the way it is with the types of guns.
LyfeIsSubLyMe signed off at 8:51:37 PM.

I x-ed out the swears. My guess is that he just played, and got bunkered by some kid with a stock lvl7 non-powerfeed, Co2 powered MAG and is very dissapointed with his life in general. I guess we Mag owners are entitled a certain level of pride though, since they are the fastest and best guns out there.