The Current Jersey Concept... Need comments [Archive]

digitard

11-25-2002, 11:54 AM

I like it too .... once you have a final design let me know and I'll get one for sure ...

Good job.... I like the flashy yet simple shapped design.... definitally stand out

Sincerely,
Dave K
a.k.a the guy who cant spell early in the morning

Dayspring

11-25-2002, 11:56 AM

Yeah! What Clare said! :)

Originally posted by CaPoEiRa
Love it! :D Can't wait to get one..

shartley

11-25-2002, 12:06 PM

Come on… you don’t want “comments” you want folks to say they like it… and that is it.

Well, I think it is a good start, but there are things I don’t like about it…..but who cares what I think, right? EVERYONE loves this new design…
:rolleyes:

Mango

11-25-2002, 12:08 PM

I like it!! Can't wait to get one either! :D

oldsoldier

11-25-2002, 12:13 PM

I like it, except I still like the little swoosh from Shartley's design. I think the boxing off of the bottom looks too much like the Borg shatnerball shirts, but, thats my opinion.

Muzikman

11-25-2002, 12:18 PM

I like enough to buy one. You can never please all people, so you have to shoot for the majority. My only fear is that I will look like a reptile out on the field.:)

Everyone that gave their input on this, thank you. It's about time that an AO jersey is going to get made.

Fred, when will these be done? I might just stop by their factory and pick mine up.

shartley

11-25-2002, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Muzikman
My only fear is that I will look like a reptile out on the field.:)

LOL I kept thinking that as well... but don't mind it. It is almost like turtle shells or snake skin. :D

hitech

11-25-2002, 12:26 PM

I don't like it at all. It reminds me of a spiderman costume. However, I'm sure my nine year old would think it's cool...

oldsoldier

11-25-2002, 12:29 PM

Fred, I know that the primary design, but can you put up the others too? There were a few that had ideas I liked in them. Specifically, like I mentioned, the swoosh design at the bottom. thanks!

Shirow

11-25-2002, 12:33 PM

Yeah, I liked the swoosh design too. I'm not too keen on this one either, have similar feelings regarding 9 year olds and Spiderman ;)

2000Sabre

11-25-2002, 12:37 PM

This design is much better than anything I've seen so far. Shartley's design is also great as well.

Why do we have to settle for one design over the other. Since we're not receiving any appreciable discount, why not post 2 or 3 designs that people can choose from? When you contact CSG to order, you indicate the art work you want and you're all set. That way, if you like the CSG version or the Shartley version you get what you the buyer wants. I don't think we're ever going to get concensus for one design so why not have several 'offical' designs.

It shouldn't be about getting credit for coming up with the idea or picking the design it should be about getting AO members what they all want. A nice AO jersey we'll all wear with pride.

oldsoldier

11-25-2002, 12:37 PM

well, as a suggestion; If this goes to a poll (the different designs, which it should), only post them one color each. We all know we can order different colors, but, it'll keep the space down. Again...BRING BACK THE SWOOSH!

oldsoldier

11-25-2002, 12:39 PM

2000, I kinda disagree. I think there should be only one, BUT, I think the designs, like I said, should all be posted and voted on. Perhaps even mixing and matching designs. We have waitied a while for this; I'm sure another week or two wont hurt :D

LittMag

11-25-2002, 01:23 PM

Since these jerseys are gonna be custom why can't we have multiple ones? They all have the same basic design so it'll look semi uniform, but I really like the swoosh.

http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=533675

digitard

11-25-2002, 01:28 PM

After looking at the 2 designs I agree with the swoosh .. it gives it less of a chest protector look ...lol

both great designs ...

Sincerely,
Dave K

Sinistarr

11-25-2002, 01:39 PM

I like what fred and Littmag posted. If the swish is the same as shartley's, it works for me.

Lets vote and have only one jersey. That way we will all have the same look on the field. That is what we want is the 'instant recognition' isn't it? As well as supporting AGD, we will be recognized as AOers.

I also like the idea of a personal graphic on one of the shoulders or on the front on the left or right shoulder. Maybe with your AO nick as well.

My .02.

G

Load SM5

11-25-2002, 01:54 PM

I like both designs but I think the ones Fred posted look a little better. Whatever goes along the bottom, be it swooshed or straight, won't really matter as most of us wear packs of some kind that will cover it up and bunch the fabric up anyway. If we did'nt wear packs and starched the jerseys flat as a board it might be more of an issue, in my opinion, but since we don't........;)

Nice job on all the designs.

TheTramp

11-25-2002, 02:00 PM

I like the swish version but I'm not sure about the back. My number is 5 so it would fit but the 22 looks too big and forget it if you have a three digit number.

Skoad

11-25-2002, 02:04 PM

I don't really like the looks of it too much, something about it, not really sure what it is. Looks funky. Probably not worth $60 imho

Although i do like how the colors are faded in the "swoosh" version. Toss a gray and black one up there please :)

However, i'm not sure i like the stripe down the arm saying automags or whatever, I was thinking of putting on a AGD patch on one of the shoulders, or perhaps i could put it down near the waist line.....

Riotz

11-25-2002, 02:11 PM

Why don't we push for a LARGER discount. We will be ordering more than ANY other team out there. What team has 2000+ members....

Not saying everyone on AO is going to get them, but I can see at least 50 of these being sold.

Riotz

11-25-2002, 02:13 PM

Oh and Fred, can you ask him to change User Name to.

First name "username"
Last name

Please... :)

Tack

11-25-2002, 02:19 PM

I like both designes, I am kinda favoring the swoosh one myself with the faded colors but either one is fine. I would like to make sure there is a AGD logo or something on it, much like the first one.

omni

11-25-2002, 02:20 PM

I'm digging the "Swoosh" one as well. It has a much better feel to it. It flows alot better and looks more natuarl than the Top one, the Top one just kind of Stops the Design and looks weird(to me).

shartley

11-25-2002, 02:20 PM

http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=533834
http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=533806

Collegeboy

11-25-2002, 02:25 PM

DARKER colours. Especially the red.

Riotz

11-25-2002, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by Collegeboy
DARKER colours. Especially the red. The colors will be darker once printed. Red is suppose to be blood red. So they say.

Fred

11-25-2002, 02:52 PM

Well, I got some email from Jamie,

Since there is demand for both styles, it looks like they will be able to do both the Shartley-Swoosh and the angled lines.

I personally don't care too much for the swoosh in its current form, but perhaps it can be refined.

There is a problem pointed out to my by CSG about the fades, they won't look that great the way Shartley has made them, something to do with the sublimation process. that's how it was explained to me, don't hate me.

I personally like Shartley's sleeves better with the stretched keyhole holding the text.

and, a good point was made, that you'll be wearing packs over these, and that they look much different in 3d when there is a body in them.

---Fred

shartley

11-25-2002, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Fred
There is a problem pointed out to my by CSG about the fades, they won't look that great the way Shartley has made them, something to do with the sublimation process. that's how it was explained to me, don't hate me.

This is interesting... since the actual background is the same as what CSG had, all I did was darken the colors. Only on the sleeves did I add any shadowing or altering of the basic design.

So, if what you see in mine can't be done, neither can theirs... don't believe me? Take a good look at the latest one they came up with and then look at mine.... there is no difference but the darkening of the colors. So, if indeed they ARE going to be darker when printed, they should actually end up closer to what my "computer" images look like.

Just something to think about...

jamiecsg

11-25-2002, 03:12 PM

Hi Shartley

Fred made a mistake I had warned him against using DROP SHADOWS with this printing process. From past experience they don't work very well but if you want to still go ahead with them we'll print it that way.

We want everyone to be as happy as possible.

shartley

11-25-2002, 03:17 PM

I understand this... but like I said, the only part of the design that I added any sort of shadowing is in the sleeves. This can be removed..... and for folks, I will do so, so they see how it looks.

But the body part used none. Like I said, it is your exact design with no changes other than darkening the colors.

By all means, folks should design to the limitations of the printing process... and not above them...

I will work up a side by side of the two designs and in full layout (like you did) so folks can better determine what is actually going on…

LittMag

11-25-2002, 03:19 PM

Are these jerseys still gonna cost 60+ dollars?

Muzikman

11-25-2002, 03:24 PM

Ok, here is what I like from each of the designs...

I like the CSG lettering on the back (name layout and number). I like the [first "nickname" last] name idea. Hell I even use that standard in my sig.

I like the CSG idea of using the AGD lion logo on one shoulder.

I like Sam's sleeve where it has the automags.org in side the "frame" or what ever you want to call it.

I can go either way with either the number or AO on the other sleeve. It would be cool if you could pick what you wanted in there.

I can go either way on the swoosh or no swoosh. as Load pointed out, you wear a harness, you wouldn't see it any way.

I like Sam's colors a little better. Again, it might just be CSG's drawing and it might not reflect the real jersey color, but I do like the darker, easier on the eyes color.

Why doesn't someone do me a favor and make up a drawing like this:)

Also, I think going with Sam's sleeve design but puting the AGD lion logo on one shoulder, you will need to use the color of the jersey, not the black or gray that it shows on the CSG.

Riotz

11-25-2002, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by LittMag
Are these jerseys still gonna cost 60+ dollars? Yea exactly what I would like to know. Shouldn't we get some kind of bulk discount? I think I may know another place that has better quality. I will find out some info from there when I get a chance.

jeffremiller

11-25-2002, 03:42 PM

Fred: Great job!!! I know it's not what EVERYONE wanted but you can't please everyone. I think you and Jamie did a good job working everyone's input into the mix. It's been hard enough getting 10 people to agree on a design.... You're dealling with Hundreds of opinions. As I stated, it's not what I would have designed... but I'll buy it and wear it!

All I want to know is... When can the Team for MGO'03 place an order?

I've been working with Jamie on another project and want to get one of these for Mardi Gras. Please post when we can order.

J_

jamiecsg

11-25-2002, 03:43 PM

OK Here is what you get for $65

A choice of 2 designs in 6 different color combos.
(which is more than what the leading brands will offer in their designs for the year)

Your name and numbers regardless of how big. It's sized to fit before printing it's not like your normal iron on transfers. (So you can have big names and 3 numbers)

You can also get other logos sublimated on it.

The fabric is called EvapR8. It's a high performance moisture wicking fabric (you can check it out on the site).

Turnaround time is generally 2wks or less.

We'll post them on our site so you can purchase at your convenience.

As for quality there are a few AO members out there who will vouch for that.

shartley

11-25-2002, 03:56 PM

Here is the quick mock-up of the two jersies.... mind you that they are not exact, I whipped this up real quick. But it gives you a better feel for the finished product.

1stdeadeye

11-25-2002, 04:17 PM

Me wants SWOOSH!!

oldsoldier

11-25-2002, 05:09 PM

So, are we still in design? Or are these the final two to go with? As jaimie states we can choose 2 designs (personally, I think we should go with one, thus making an "official" jersey). either way, I am gonna order one. The green and blue both look nice...may have to color coordinate with my mag...wow, I think this is finally coming to fruition! Good job on the design, everyone who has had a helping hand in this. And $65 isnt too bad, considering you are getting a completely personalized jersey, PLUS the only people wearing them will be us!

SlartyBartFast

11-25-2002, 05:26 PM

Who gets to choose/assign the numbers?:p

spantol

11-25-2002, 06:01 PM

SlartyBartFast: Why do I suddenly have a feeling that I'm not the only one that's going to want 42?

:D

dcmander

11-25-2002, 06:09 PM

Heh, I guess Shartley's design grew on me :D I didn't like the swoosh at first (i thought it went too high up), but now I like it :D :D (We can tell you like it to! ;) ) Nice work, Shartley.

I would still like the AGD Lion logo somewhere on Shartley's...but I also want the number on one sleeve and the AO on the other... Any other place you could throw the Lion logo on? I was thinking maybe the front left hand corner..because the swoosh goes real high, maybe it would look ok down there (i know the pack would cover it while playing). Or maybe a real small AGD Lion logo on the right shoulder, above the 'Automags Online.'

Anyone else feel the need to have the Lion logo on there somwhere!! I also want the number and AO on the shoulders, so I want another place to put it!! :D

Also..for an "offical AO jersey," as long as it has the same "Automags Online" logo on the front..i think it will count as "offical."

I like! Can someone post up more jerseys with the differnet options? Like Shartleys w/ number and AO on sleeves, and then AO and AGD on the sleeves and stuff.. And an example for the name would be nice..so we can see how our names would look on it. I don't even know if i wanna put my real name on it or just my AO name..hmm..

Nice work to everyone.

shartley

11-25-2002, 06:18 PM

Thank you...

here is another for you... keep in mind that the gray stripe was prototype and would be green, but it shows the different arms (just remove the shadows)..
http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=533717

I don't know if we need to work up every possible combination though.... just knowing we CAN get them done the way we each want is good though. :)

dcmander

11-25-2002, 06:24 PM

Are those dollar signs on the 22? ..lol I don't like those.. We could get those taken off, right?

Oh and thanks for the pic shartley. I still can't pick 2 logos to go on the sleeves out of AO, AGD, Number..lol

magman007

11-25-2002, 08:08 PM

ok, i got mine all designed!!!!! shartley swosh, in blue,

on the right front breast, front of shoulder thing, i will incorporate my sig image, saying magman007 with Invader zim there also. I will put capo fan club, and the wangforce symbol right underneath it...

arigun designs logo on the right shoulder, 007 on the left.

in the back

Bill
magman
Badnaruk

and then my number 007....

hows that sound?

Mango

11-25-2002, 08:13 PM

That jersey sounds totally sweet Magman! Wow, I like!! I too would like to use some of your ideas in my own if I could customize my jersey! :)

dcmander

11-25-2002, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by magman007
ok, i got mine all designed!!!!! shartley swosh, in blue,

on the right front breast, front of shoulder thing, i will incorporate my sig image, saying magman007 with Invader zim there also. I will put capo fan club, and the wangforce symbol right underneath it...

arigun designs logo on the right shoulder, 007 on the left.

in the back

Bill
magman
Badnaruk

and then my number 007....

hows that sound?

LOL, will that all fit?

Skoad

11-25-2002, 09:07 PM

Yes i would like to know what those little things are inside the number 22, i presume they won't be there in production?

Fred

11-25-2002, 09:08 PM

I think Manike has dibs on 007 if he wants one of these... :p

I've been gone all afternoon picking up my little bro from his college halfway across the state.

The litte "dollar signs" are CSG logos, which, I don't feel fit quite right in the numbers, but as this is my second CSG jersey, I'm not gonna mind if there is one on there or not. (PPIG does not have them).

Shartley- happy now?

I think these are really startin to come together now.

---Fred

shartley

11-25-2002, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Fred
Shartley- happy now?
I am happy when AO is happy.

I think you misunderstood why I was so vocal. I would have been the same even if one of the designs was NOT mine…. And I think most on AO know that about me. As it was this morning, I felt that one design was being railroaded upon AO, and being presented as the one “everyone” seemed to like… yet I knew that was not accurate. I think this thread shows that pretty clear.

So as long as AO gets what they truly want, I am happy, even if it is not my design. I was actually hoping someone would take what I did and run with it…. I am sure it can be improved upon. It is not a shartley wins or loses issue, it is whether AO wins or loses. And if AO wins, I am happy.

Kevmaster

11-25-2002, 09:57 PM

Jamie, so if i gave you two logos to put on the right and elft breast above the AO logo (perhaps, maybe, the AGD and Wang Force logos...could it be?) you could put them on there, or would i need to have them in a patch format and sown on?

magman007

11-25-2002, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Fred
I think Manike has dibs on 007 if he wants one of these... :p

---Fred

fred, there is gunna have to be 2 007's if manike wants his 007 also...... we can share a number, and exclusivity, in this case is not quite fair.... saying it is my member name, im a high, and regarded poster... and well... i even sat through casino royal to be able to say i have seen all the 007 movies... all i need now is to get the new one down here in chilean theatres!!!! i dont think simon would have a beef with sharing the number do you? and if he does, well..... then we can work something out... maybe i will color my 007 in red white and blue.... and he can... um.. do the union jack??

edit i also called it in the last thread, and the one before that i beleive

2000Sabre

11-26-2002, 08:16 AM

Why do we have to 'call' numbers? It's your personal jersey, you should be able to get what you want. So what if someone else in the world has the same number. Numbers and names should be anything you want them to be even if someone else chooses the same thing. Let's not get carried away with this.

Creative Mayhem

11-26-2002, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by 2000Sabre
Why do we have to 'call' numbers? It's your personal jersey, you should be able to get what you want. So what if someone else in the world has the same number. Numbers and names should be anything you want them to be even if someone else chooses the same thing. Let's not get carried away with this.

I agree the number should be what you want, not leftovers.:)

The Wang Force logos are going to be made into patches which IMO, look better and will be able to be put anywhere on the jersey without causing any confusion during the printing proccess.

I personally like shartley's design better, it doesn't seem to just cutt off at the bottom of the hexes. I like the transition between the pattern and the blank portion. Of course that's just my opinion....

No matter what design is chosen, *cough*shartley's*cough* I will still buy several.

Capo, I CALL #8 !!!!! :P:D

jamiecsg

11-26-2002, 09:13 AM

Just to clarify

When you order your jersey you tell us what logos you want and where. It's part of the price. This way you get the logos you want in the design of the jersey. So there is no confusion or hassel, it's what we do. You just fill out a form with your name, number, logo placement exactly how you want it and we make it. Everything is in the design of the jersey it won't wear out, crack, fade, and it breathes with the fabric instead of laying on top of it.

shartley

11-26-2002, 09:27 AM

One thing that I would like to point out that is also different between the two designs is that on the one I modified, there is the dark ring of hexes over the left breast…. I think this would look good on the other one as well…. it not only adds to the overall look, but has meaning. ;)

Just something to think about.

bofh

11-26-2002, 09:53 AM

Shirow

11-26-2002, 10:03 AM

I call 3,495,384!!!!

shartley

11-26-2002, 10:04 AM

Can we call neg numbers? ;)

Fred

11-26-2002, 10:21 AM

I'm not telling what my number will be... and it won't be 69...

numbers schmumbers, it doesn't really matter. I was just giving you a hard time since Simon is a friend, a funny Brit, and his SPPLAT member # is 007... :p

OK!

So, it appears everyone is happy... Jamie emailed me again and wants to know if this is a go or not now?

Yes???

(Go meaning two design choices, with all the color choices shown)

:cool:

If so, you'll be able to start emailing your order to CSG within the week... :eek:

jeffremiller

11-26-2002, 10:22 AM

Go! Go! GO!!!!

J_

Load SM5

11-26-2002, 10:29 AM

For the love of God, Go!

Fred

11-26-2002, 10:53 AM

OK!

I got a call from Ivan (the man in charge at CSG), and he would like to make sure that we have Tom's permission for this (no joke).

So a quick "yes" or "change this" would be great.

They would like to get this in the pipeline since teams are beginning to order their Skyball jersies... and before we start bickering again... (I'm at fault for that too)

The scoop is this:

They will work out what the prints will look like, and send me a jpeg sometime today, or tomorrow, which I will post in a new thread, along with ordering instructions.

To order, they will set up a form on their website that will be private, A link will be posted here on AO that will get you to the form, fill out the form, you're good to go.

that makes it a lot easier for them to get spellings right, and for you do describe what you want as far as name, number, etc.

Sit tight! I'll post as soon as I get it.

---Fred

shartley

11-26-2002, 10:58 AM

I say that it is a good start. If this works out well for them, we may want to add additional designs later. I know I have already been contacted by folks about that......

shartley

11-26-2002, 01:20 PM

Just for kicks, I finally got around to making my AO Member Collectors Card (as seen in Friendly Corner). :D And after looking at it a bit, I could not resist putting on one of the yet to be made AO Jerseys. LOL

This is not perfect by any means, but gives you a rough idea of how it will look. I thought some of you might get a kick out of it…

http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=537445

Doobie

11-26-2002, 02:30 PM

Can't wait! They look good!:D

oldsoldier

11-26-2002, 04:12 PM

when does the link go up? I am leaving for work soon, and cant be here much longer! I dont want to miss the link!

Kevmaster

11-26-2002, 04:14 PM

yeh, Fred, have that Ivan guy call AGD and talk to Tom himself....

SlartyBartFast

11-26-2002, 04:24 PM

This is perhaps a little late, but why a US supplier? Looking at the prices, there is no way I'm buying one. Not going to spend over 100 dollars on a jersey.

But you could probably get these made by a Canadian supplier for 60-65 Canadian dollars, making the price a steal for all you Americans.

shartley

11-26-2002, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
This is perhaps a little late, but why a US supplier? Looking at the prices, there is no way I'm buying one. Not going to spend over 100 dollars on a jersey.

But you could probably get these made by a Canadian supplier for 60-65 Canadian dollars, making the price a steal for all you Americans.
As has been said before... if you can find a Canadian supplier that can offer better prices for the same work, post it up.

1stdeadeye

11-27-2002, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
This is perhaps a little late, but why a US supplier? Looking at the prices, there is no way I'm buying one. Not going to spend over 100 dollars on a jersey.

But you could probably get these made by a Canadian supplier for 60-65 Canadian dollars, making the price a steal for all you Americans.

I thought we were getting them for $65 US?:confused:

Fred

11-27-2002, 11:21 AM

Yes, the price is $65 US.

havn't seen or heard of a cananadian company that does this kind of work, much less one that could provide a product of similar quality for the same price, or less.

(and yes I intentionally spelled Canadian wrong, its a Detroit thing that we poke fun at our neighbors across the river, Canadian Bacon anyone?)

---Fred