AO Jerseys

[MagMan5446]

Alright...I have an idea. I could get the jersies made, and probably with customized print. This is how...

First off, I would need somebody skilled in graphics design, to make a design that everyone agrees on.

I would then need the orders. You would have to send the money before the jersies are made(me being sure that I can get the jersies) to pay for the material and/or customization.

Tell me what you think.

[Major Ho]

I coulda sworn Miscue made/designed one a while back... Or I think it was purely AGD jersey. The last pic he posted was ok looking I think. I'd get one.
Where is Miscue anyways, havent seen him in a while. Hope he didnt fall in his bathtub and get stuck http://www.automags.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[RobAGD]

I like Miscues Jresey. With a small change to the front of it it woul dmake an good AO jerset/T Shirt

I am personally a fan of heavy Cotton Mock Turtle Neck shirts for playing in and they would be easier to get and maybe a tad cheaper depending on how much printing we have to do to them.

Think teh AO Logo on teh front name and number on teh back with teh AGD lions or something.

-Robert

[BradPalooza]

Yeah, Rob - I like that idea too. I'd certainly be interested in one, or six. : )

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[Whisky]

Yes that would be nice

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[martlet1]

im in .. make em

[MagMan5446]

I need an actual design...and I suck at designing things. And I need a # of orders.

[martlet1]

do you want a competition jersey design?
and what color(s).
and style..
I could see like a silver and blue design with the automag logos on the sleeves...

[MagMan5446]

Various colors. We have to fit all peoples tastes.

Yes, a competition jersey.

[emaggot4life]

Count me in for two. I like the AGD logo idea on the sleaves.

[Zo]

i'd get one

[Cha0tic]

just as long as it is very breathable and cool to wear. hey, its only like 90 something degrees here in florida...

[magman007]

you got me how much like 50 bux??? id like one in silver and blue???

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[MagMan5446]

First off, before anything, I need a volunteer, not me, to make a design. I like the AGD logo on the sleeves too.

[shartley]

I have an idea!

How about getting Authorization for this "project" before you spend too much time planning it? With all the talk lately about Copyright and Trade Mark issues, I am a bit surprised that no one has even ASKED for permission to do this.

I admit it is a FANTASTIC idea... but ever stop to think of why it has not been done already? Sure.. there has been lots of talk about it in the past, but we have YET to see any product.

If Tom gave his blessing, and approved the design, coming up with it is NOT a problem. But I fear that to do it right takes more money and planning than most would think.

Anyone know the process for printing them? Are they going to be silk screened? And if so, on what type of machine. The classics will only take up to a certain DPI, and the latest will do MUCH higher, but you are still limited. And does anyone know even the file format needed for this process? Look at all the confusion with the Label Contest.. and I can ASSURE you that we STILL did not demand even close to what we should have asked for. And then you need to figure in screen costs as well. How many colors?

Or is it going to be done in high quality transfer?

And what would be the cost for at least 3 standard sizes? And how many of each will be produced?

Are these going to be on standard jerseys, or specially designed ones?

There are SO many issues at stake that I find it odd that no one has begun to address any of them aside from what people would WANT on them. And then I fear it would come down to "too many cooks spoil the stew". That is why normally Companies do NOT allow people to come up with their own products like this.

Maybe that is also why although we have seen great interest in this before, it has never been actually done. And I have not seen Tom give anyone permission to do this. So all the talking in the world would be for not, if Tom does not want it to happen.

I hope you all understand my position. I am NOT trying to be a party pooper.... I am trying to be the realist. http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif Sure, it CAN be done, but you have to take the appropriate steps. Once again, people are putting the cart in front of the horse.

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[MagMan5446]

Do you think that I would make the jersies?! No, I would have a jersey shop make them...yes we have one around here.

Copyright laws? Yeah...You're right.

[DryIce]

Shartly you should change your name to Sharty-The-Enforcer

Do you work for the cops or perhaps a government agency?

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[MagMan5446]

He's just trying to help.

[irbodden]

I am currently in printing, we do silk screen and many other methods of making all kinds of dudads EXCEPT the problem with silk screening, is you can pretty much go only up to 4 colors (you can make some lighter or darker though) and that is still hard. What a run on.. hah, I'll ask the teacher, I can atleast get the "stencil" made..

-Rick

[irbodden]

If anyone wants, I can scan in some of my notes on silk screen, NOT easy stuff at all. You'd have problems trying to silk screen a Jersey as well, with all those little holes.

-Rick

[-Jôker-]

shartly it basically already has AGD has talke about making stickers and shirts and stuff b4 you got here.... so do you reaserach b4 you post crap like that http://www.automags.org/ubb/wink.gif

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[TheTramp]

I'm part of one of the teams that asked if we could use AO in our name as we formed from this forum. I'd love to get an AGD/AO jersey made up with our team's name on it. If everyone pays for their own shirt by giving the money to MagMan he wouldn't be making any money thus not violating the copyright and AGD would be getting some good publicity.

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[shartley]

Okay guys, I think many of you misunderstood me. I think MagMan5446 did understand me however. And thank you.

Joker:

<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"> shartly it basically already has AGD has talke about making stickers and shirts and stuff b4 you got here.... so do you reaserach b4 you post crap like that </font>
Actually Tom has said people could USE the NAME in a team name, as well as other stuff like it, but he was pretty clear on who those people were.

I have read quite a few of the threads on Jerseys, T-Shirts and Jackets, and I did not see Tom actually saying it was okay to make anything you wanted. If he DID, please show me.... But until you DO, you should know better than to come at me so empty handed. It only makes you look silly.

"Basically already has" is far from ACTUALLY doing something. As well as I am SURE he did not make a blanket statement that anyone can do whatever they wanted to on this issue and it would be fine with him. I don't think he would be THAT stupid. And unless he told MagMan PERSONALLY that he could do this (which I have not seen done) any permission that he MAY have given to others would not apply.

DryIce:
I don't know if you noticed, but when it comes to business, I am only looking out for Tom and AGD's interests. Point out where I have been WRONG thus far... please. http://www.automags.org/ubb/wink.gif And in that aspect, I don't mind being called "The Enforcer". http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif

TheTramp:

<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">If everyone pays for their own shirt by giving the money to MagMan he wouldn't be making any money thus not violating the copyright and AGD would be getting some good publicity.</font>
Please consider this.... you are correct, MagMan would NOT be in copyright violation, BUT the company who printed the shirts WOULD be. Are they going to print them for free? http://www.automags.org/ubb/wink.gif


irbodden:
Thank you for your posts. THAT is a realistic way of doing things, and providing actual help for those not familiar with the process.

I hope everyone understands now what my intent was. And if not.. there is nothing I can do to explain it. It seems that far too often everyone BUT Tom is thought about in the equations.

Thank you.



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[pbtaz]

Shartley, I admit that I am simply a criminologist and not a lawyer as you apparantly are, however, I have noticed that you come off being very pompous (a trait that seems to be bread into people through law school). I realize that you are obviously highly versed in the law/legal system, however, you might need to work on "People Skills." Just because someone is misunderstood or ignorant to the law, does not mean that you have to shove the corrections in their face.
I noticed this same type of wording in an earlier post today about copy right laws (I can only assume that this is the one to which you refered). I might be way off on this since I am fairly new to the board. You very well may know everyone to whom you choose to chastize, however I somewhat doubt this. In the case to which I refer, you were pretty much downright rude.
While I fully believe that you are trying to help, and often times I find your posts very insightfull, the manner in which you "correct" people, does in my humble opinion leave something to desire.
Again please don't get me wrong, I am not attacking the logic or wisdom of your posts, just the manner in which you deliver them.

[DryIce]

i wasnt trying to be mean or anything just thought id chime in

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[shartley]

DryIce:
I know. I took no offense. http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif

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[DryIce]

now all we need is for tom to chime in here http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif

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[Chaos]

ok another idea that is going to go no where, but maybe in hopes that AGD or Shartley can get something made, check pjdesignusa.com and get in contact with dick, they make the JT, Dye, Paintball Junkies, all the lead brand jerseys, they're making jerseys for the place i work at. They're the really nice comfortable breatable style with the loose side mesh, I love it for sunny Cali but you wanna wear a tshirt under it if its a tid bit nipply out....

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[irbodden]

Chaos- I an guessing it would cost alot to have them make jerseys and produce 50 or less. No price break, and were paying aton of cash for them setting up the stencil, making the screen, etc. We'd be better off going OUT of the industry unless someone wants to help with money, or we'd never be able to afford it.

-Rick

[Miscue]

These are the old jersies I was working on about 8 months ago. They are rough drafts. They were intended to just spur some ideas is all.

http://www.liquidmagma.com/automags/jersey2.jpg
http://www.liquidmagma.com/automags/jersey.jpg

If you guys really want me to, I think I could do a better job on it. I've lost all my templates so I'll have to start from scratch, but no biggie. This is all conceptual, throwing ideas around type stuff...

[This message has been edited by Miscue (edited 09-01-2001).]

[Miscue]

Gosh darn it. I was going to do homework today. /me goes looking for PhotoShop CD...

Eh... I feel creative today. Maybe have something different tonight. We'll see.

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[Ground_zer0]

I think miscues bottom design is good, but I think a agd lion logo patch would go nicely on one or both shoulders. Also I liked the colored numbers on the top design. My only other idea might be instead of them all black make it a yellow, blue, black (AGD's colors) fade. Oh ya, on the front side instead of AGD being in a rectangle, how bout a triangel or somethin a bit different. Miscue.. do you mind if I get out my photoshop and try to do a bit of editing on your jersies.

Thanks, Matt

[Miscue]

Something I started this morning...

<IMG SRC=http://www.liquidmagma.com/automags/jersey3.jpg><IMG SRC=http://www.liquidmagma.com/automags/jersey4.jpg>

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[DryIce]

where are you getting the black shirt templates
or did you just freehand it

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[zvanut]

man miscue, u really know what u r doin.

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[irbodden]

What we really need is SHARTLEY to design one.. mwhaha, he is awesome. Now who wants to force Shartley to design us a t-shirt.

::: waits for angry im from him::

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-Rick

[MikeCouves]

Wow, he knows what he is doing allright! Shartley, what program are you using to make these so some of is can try and make some cool ones too! I love the 16 Kaye one, it's really cool.


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[shartley]

MikeCouves:
Actually you are not seeing my work, what you are seeing is Miscue's stuff. http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif

irbodden:
Hey, you trying to start something? LOL If I am asked, I may see what I can do for you all.... but that would have to come from the top.

Miscue:
I see you are giving it a run for it... may I suggest a couple things?

Not quite enough integration. It looks like you are taking ideas and putting them together, but NOT together. I don't know if that is clear enough.

Your elements seem to be all put on the jersey, but not integrated into an overall design. Try this.... take the grey background of the logo and do a diagonal sash from the top right (as you view the graphic) OVER the top of the shoulder and around to the back design. Then do the same thing for the bottom left, around and over the hip and up to the bottom of the back image (these "sashes" are NOT separate from the Logo, but extended FROM it with no dividing lines or borders.).

Then you could take that "sash" and run it down the arm of the corresponding side. And then you could take that and add a border around the sash and arm stripe. Adding electricity or flames (play with it).

You can also take the stripe running down the arm and do a fade from Neon Green to the grey about half way up the arm. Then to balance the other side, you could make a Neon Green stripe of the same size run up the arm.

Now you can also take the word PAINTBALL and do some MAJOR work with it. As it is, it is simply too amateur looking compared to any jerseys on the market. No offence is intended. But you may try some other font and do a border only... let's say in the same Neon Green you used for the other parts, and leaving the center (or the main part of the letters) the black of the jersey. And make sure it actually integrates with the other design elements... such as coming OUT of the lower sash and across the body. To make it come OUT of the sash, you could make the extreme bottom of the sash that Neon Green and fade into the grey halfway between the bottom and the corner of the actual logo. This would allow a transition to the word PAINTBALL.

THEN, you could take AUTOMAGS.ORG and run it OVER the shoulder on the sash itself in the Neon Green on the grey (In the SAME font as the word PAINTBALL). Of course every time you put the text on things it needs to be outlined somehow with a contrasting yet bordering color.

THEN you could add either on the back or on the front, a lion's claw ripping through the center design (at a slight angle). Or at a minimum make it look as if it has giant paw rips through it. It does not matter if it takes away from the actual logo because the untouched one will be on the opposite side anyway. The effect will be worth it.

This design would work even on a multi colored jersey.. say one that is divided into two major colors like black and red, or black and green, etc.

I hope you do not take offense at my suggestions. They were just off the top of my head.

But I would still like to see Tom's approval of the project. http://www.automags.org/ubb/wink.gif And as mentioned, any worthwhile design would NOT be cost effective to print only 50 or even 100.... it will take MUCH more than that to make is worthwhile. To do it right takes a lot of work and more than a front and back 8X10 silk screen...

Feedback and constructive comments welcomed. http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif

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[zvanut]

oh great now shartley is in on the design, LOL http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif shartley u idea sounds good.

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[Miscue]

Another...

<IMG SRC=http://www.liquidmagma.com/automags/jersey5.jpg>

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[zvanut]

once again a nice design. oh now i see why u werent in the chat talkin. http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif

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[chaoticorigin]

I would try adding one big blue stripe with white or yellow borders down the length of the arms for the jersey and have the words "Airgun Designs" inside the blue stripe. I would also make the AGD logo smaller. Where it is placed now, it would just be covered up by a harness. You can email me the source pictures and I could take a try at it. If you want to play with designs, I would use Illustrator which uses lines and dots just like Macromedia Flash instead of pixels. It is easier to move things around and change solid colors.

[Miscue]

I'm done. There's a couple posts in here that took away all enthusiasm for it. I pointed out two things: 1. These are rough drafts, I put maybe 20-30 minutes into each. 2. Just as they were 8 months ago, they are merely to give you guys ideas on what you would like to see in a jersey... so you guys can voice some opinions so that hopefully Airgun would have some ideas for suggestions to give to a professional artist.



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[shartley]

Miscue:
I hope one of those Posts you are talking about was NOT mine. My post was for the same reason you said YOUR posts were for.

I admit I take this stuff a bit more seriously than some people do, but is that a bad thing? After all, isn't it to produce the best product that can be done? And I see no reason why your enthusiasm would be taken away.... I was hoping my post would SPARK the creative juices, not put them out.

If they did, I am so sorry. Again, maybe this is yet another thing I should stay out of until asked to contribute?

My aim was not to make people look bad, but to spur them on. I did not take your idea and then actually produce what I had envisioned, and then posted it up for all to see.... I gave YOU the ideas and was hoping you would run with them.

Once again, I am sorry. I will keep my ideas and suggestions to myself.

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[MagMan5446]

I'm think that the AGD logo is fine...but where is the Automags.org? A good place to put it would be on the sleeves.

I'm also thinking red or an american flag version...

[AGD]

To Everyone on AO,

I am a little late catching up on this thread, sorry. I am going to make a general statement about using AGD logos, info and pictures so as not to cause problems in the future. We support the use of our images as long as it is used in a positive manner and with the interest and intent of promoting AGD. We would not allow use of images or logos on products that we sell, for example if we sold stickers we would not let someone make and sell stickers with our logo. In the case of this jersey, since we are not selling them you can make them with our logo and sell them here for a reasonable profit. Once we have jersey (not likely very soon) we would ask that you sell the remaining inventory so we could move forward with our version. If they continue to be popular we might just cut a deal with you in some way.

In general we are ok with stuff that doesn't compete with our products, you have to stop if we ask you too and you should check with us for approval on the final design before it goes to production.

I hope that clarifies things so continue with the jersey ideas,

AGD

[Muzikman]

Ok...now that has been said...who want to go a head and make a final design, find a place to produce them (I like Robs idea of mock turtle necks). This way we can use them for "Team Automags.org" at Skyball http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif



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[shartley]

Thank you Tom. THAT was what was needed. http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif

People may Develop there T-Shirts, Jerseys, etc. But before they go into production, Tom must approve the design(s). This is VERY good of Tom and I am sure no one will abuse this.

(Note: Edited content sent directly TO Tom.)

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[DryIce]

those look pretty nice

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