DeadlyWind's new Chord body!

[nicad]

Chord body #001 just off the mill.. so yes it hasn't been polished yet. if i get the time ill hand polish it this evening and post more pics of the shiny niceness..

the gripframe is my own personal one i made.. its an entirely different story- for now lets stick to the body, now named the "Chord".

finished carving with big -ol- mess-
http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/02270026s.jpg

closeup of feedneck, etc-
http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/02270032s.jpg

with Xvalve, angel ball detent, chrome angel lowrise, and 12" AA barrel-
http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/02270033s.jpg

closer up-
http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/02270034s.jpg

other side-
http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/02270035s.jpg

on a setup-
http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/02270036s.jpg

other side-
http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/02270038s.jpg

and an update-
http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03010016s.jpg

[darklord]

WOW that's looking NICE! Making me reconsider buying a ULE....

[hitech]

Nice job. I'll bet it looks even better once it's polished and anno'ed. :D

[LaW]

I don't know, it looks great but its missing something over the valve..... can't wait for the new sluggos :)

[_Spork_1]

hmm the first mag ripper
very nice


BTW that trigger frame looks crazy good

[jah871]

WOW!! i really like the look of that body! although i agree with LaW it really needs that extention over the valve but other than that excellent job.

[Fred]

Nice!

Yes, when you can go over the valve... it will achieve a new level of hotness... maybe continue the ribs(?) with windows between to expose the valve body a bit...

---Fred

[MicroB]

I'm with law, hope the new sluggos are ready soon!!!!!

B

[snakestang]

Looks Fantastic!! Keep up the great work!

[JAM]

yeah, really nice job with that nicad!

[nicad]

i agree with the over valve setup,
BUT.. grrr... no info about those next sluggos yet!!

heres a shot of a little buffing-
http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/02270042s.jpg

[Blennidae]

Looks great. Any chance of pics of it on a standard mag rail?

[GT]

love the body and the "ripper" mill. not a big fan of the frame, very nice work my friend:D

[LaW]

Originally posted by nicad
i agree with the over valve setup,
BUT.. grrr... no info about those next sluggos yet!!

heres a shot of a little buffing-
http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/02270042s.jpg

oh there is some underground info ;) but thats ok don't worry about it :)

[Puddleglum]

I see you went with your favorite. Good choice. This could be an awsome replacement of the MicroMag.

[Basketballer16]

How much are you gonna charge to do these?

[AGD]

SAAAAWWEEEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This deserves a sticky! Bring on the polish!!!!! New slugs in process but waiting on tooling because of the over valve extension.

AGD

[Conqueror]

If I may quote Tom: SAAAWEEEEETTT!!!

By no small margin the best mechanical mag body I have ever seen.

Kudos to you!

CQ

Please tell me that wasn't a manual job...

[nicad]

for some reason, the only body rail i have is for an old RT.. no normal rails.

AGD- glad ya like it.. id love to make many more of these. any chance of getting the datasheet for the next gen slugs so i can start preparing for them?

"manual job" as in manual milling? no no.. thats what nightmares are made of! this is all CNC work..

i dont know if this is the place to talk pricing and selling.. ill prolly put a post in the dealers corner. for now, they are planned to go for around $225, just the milled body no anno. if you suply the body, i guess knock off $100. :)

[Bubonic Plauge]

Very nice..that thing is super dizzopafied....=)

[Xzorz]

Do you meen if we give you our stock body you will knock off 100?!?

[LaW]

Originally posted by Xzorz
Do you meen if we give you our stock body you will knock off 100?!?

You have to supply your own SLUGGO BODY ..... that he will do the milling on it

[nicad]

yep.. if you supply the sluggo, i dont have to purchase one.

on a side note- these bodies weigh in at 4oz exact.

[GT]

Originally posted by nicad
yep.. if you supply the sluggo, i dont have to purchase one.

on a side note- these bodies weigh in at 4oz exact.

what is the weight on the current p/f bodies with the plastic plug?

jb

[da_shibmeister]

that gas through rail is pretty cool. maybe consider selling those?

[Miscue]

Oh my.

I wants me one a dem!

Great job!

[ShinyGuy]

If I may; did you do that with a full 4th axis or just an indexer? I can't quite tell what you're using from that pic.


BTW-- very nice work

[manike]

Very nice work Nicad.http://www.automags.org/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

It looks excellent.

Shiney guy he's using a 4th axis.

[yeahthatsme]

omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg!!!!! thats so beautiful i'm reconsidering my warp :O

[luke]

Please pardon my ignorance, but exactly what function does the "4th axis" perform?

Is this a "ripper mill" as gtrsi suggested?

Very nice work by the way, the fanciest sluggo so far!

[manike]

Originally posted by luke
Please pardon my ignorance, but exactly what function does the "4th axis" perform?

It allows you to turn the piece around a '4th axis' as you still do the conventional 3 axis (X,Y,Z) movements with the milling bit.

So in effect for this body the part is rotated around the long axis (barrel direction) as the milling bit moves up and down to cut the shape into it.

I think Nicad is avoiding using the term 'ripper milling' as that is done by someone else entirely.

[luke]

Thanks manike,
That was my guess (Spinning motion), but now I'm curious about a 5 axis mill. What's the 5th function? (I'm pretty sure I've seen you write about such a machine)

So in regard to "ripper milling" it's a function, not a type of mill? I thought he was talking about a brand name. :D

I am curious what mill he is using.(?)

[GT]

I used the term "riper mill" as a style and ment nothing else.

jb

[manike]

Ripper milling is a 'brand' of milling style. Owned by Jim Eaton I believe. It's a style.

'Axis' when it comes to machine can mean many things and different machine's with 4 or 5 axis can be of a completely different style. Bear in mind every darn manufacture calls their axis differently I'll try to explain one particular set up with a horizontal arm machine.

An axis, usually refers to a direction of movement, which can be linear or rotational.

If you hold your wrist out square to your body and point your finger out. Now imagine you can move your hand up and down (Z) in and out (Y) and then left to right (X)

And you can also pivot (or wiggle your finger) by bending it at the nuckle (A axis).

Now you can also twist your wrist around keeping the finger pointing in the same direction (often called B axis depending on manufacturer).

This gives you 5 axis. A four axis machine may have either a B or A type axis, or something else completely. They can get an axis by moving the tool, or the part, or the machine bed. Some 5 axis machines keep the tool locked solidaly and then swing the bed from side to side and rotate it to get the extra axis.

Now do a combination of A and B axis movements with your hand and you will see you can point the tool in pretty much any direction. Move it around in the X,Y and Z planes and you will see that you can get anywhere pretty much (depending on tool length).

If you move the axis while cutting this is called continuous machining. Nicad is using his 4th axis continuously, but I suspect just two of the basic axis directions to cut his body (up and down and then stepping over along the body)(it all gets hella complicated trying to explain all the possible combinations).

You can move all axis continuously while cutting and this allows you to make some weird and wonderful things. For instance cutting a ball with an end mill and leaving a perfectly smooth surface finish. Imagine using your wrist and finger pivot to move around a ball, always pointing your finger into the centre of the ball.

Ultimately there are so many combinations of axis that you can even get upto 7 axis machine quite commonly. But almost all can be done with a 5 axis in one set up. Most can also be done with a 3 axis machine but you may need multiple set ups and to 'blend' paths together.

Phew. I hope that helps and I haven't just clouded things further :)

[Mook564]

Drool, Drool, Drool,............... OK I am Done now.
That is one HOT looking CNC job for a slug body.Great job.

[luke]

manike,
Thank you! That was very well written, and very informative. (I even understood it! ;) )

I've been gleaning as much information as possible on the subject for sometime, so this is very helpful and appreciated. :cool:

[nicad]

hey Simon, how ya doin? glad ya like the work so far.
are ya going to be sending me a bill for your time in posting here? hehh :)

yes manike is correct- since these bodies are mostly a tube, I am rolling the piece parallel to the X-axis with the A-axis rotary table to work "around" the body.
He is also correct in the statements about the "ripper" name.

in a coupla days I will be polishing up this one to a nice shiny finish and letting everyone see what the "finished" deal will look like.

[shartley]

Very nice... not my style, but very well done. Great job. :)

[Will Wood]

Nice work. Good to see people starting to get stuff going with these sluggos.

[manike]

Originally posted by nicad
hey Simon, how ya doin? glad ya like the work so far.
are ya going to be sending me a bill for your time in posting here? hehh :)

If I thought you could afford it...

I'm a definite fan of a lot of your work. Some very innovative and cool stuff.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

So what's the overhead (expenses) for doing these bodies? Like we all know AGD's selling them for $100 retail but if you're buying wholesale do they cut you a deal and sell them for less?
How much does it cost to anno one single body? A group of 5 bodies? 10? 50? 100? Is annoing done in a batch process so making more than a certain number brings the price way down?
Besides the time it takes to design the model for it to carve, what is involved in producing the bodies? I take it the machine is automatic and making 100 is way more efficient than making only 5 and wouldn't raise material and labor costs much because it would still be 100/body and whatever time it takes to manage the process.
I'm mostly asking all this to find out the best route for me to take in getting a body, this body is amazing but since it is being produced custom, the price is too steep for me. I was hoping AGD is going to do a mass-batch and really keep the costs down and pass the savings to the customer. I also want to anno my barrel and trying to figure out if it's worth the cost or if I should just look for a company that sells annoed barrels they do in batches.

[SHAZAM-AGD]

over head can not always be factored down to one single part...it cost money just to turn the lights on in a machine shop before you do any work.

annoing is done in batches...the more parts you have on a tray that gets dipped into a anno bath the cheaper it is per part.

to machine 100 as opposed to 5 increases your labor equally cause you need some one to take the other 95 parts of the mill and keep it running to spec so you do not cut a bunch of parts out that will not fit right.

I work for AGD and yes I am going to be making some mass produced custom bodies but it will not be released anytime soon and the cost will still be high due to the overhead.

you can anno the barrel yourself if you wish not real hard but requires some knowlege of the process. custom products has the best price on barrels that I have found and they make very tight specs.

good luck...

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

Hey thanks for the response Shazam, I'm dying to get something nice on my gun (especially since it's my only one and sitting in my room without a body cause I sold it expecting the ULE's to be out by now).

I'm not sure what you're leaning at in regards to expensive, I'm looking for a good-looking body set up with the ball detents at least, and hopefully a gated lo-rise, for $175. With the mass-production this seems possible but I understand if it really isn't. Like I said, I am clueless in regards to the expenses related to this. But if people would have to spend $1300 (prices of Emag, custom body, and such) or go on the waiting list for an XMag to get a gun with performance and looks comparable to an IR3, the new LaSoya Timmy (nasty piece of gear), or Orracle EClass they'll probably go with those because they're ready to go.

How soon is soon? Spring's coming up and everybody's launching their new gear (Shockers making huge news right now). I'd love to be sporting a nasty Mag before the big tourneys in this area start but again, can't see spending $225 for a body being produced in low volumes when I could sell the Mag and use that money to get an IR3, 2003 Shocker, Timmy, or other gun that looks nasty, performs just as well, and would cost less to get the good looks of these C+C sluggos because they mass-produce the bodies. People'll be buying their new gear soon and if AGD waits too long they might miss a great opportunity for people to be sporting the new-bodied Mags right from opening day!

Not bashing AGD or anything, just dying to get my AGD baby cranking this spring and looking good without going broke and not being able to afford paint at the same time. :D

[SHAZAM-AGD]

I feel your pain and completely agree with you but AGd is doing a whole transformaiton from completley stainles steel to almost entirely aluminum.

everybody else has been making aluminum guns for a good while and have a head start on us but we as the turtle will win the race.

you can always find what you want if you are willing to put the time in to search for it...best of luck.

my bodies are going to be different than anything anyone else is doing in paintball right now but that is all I can say at the moment.

[Evil Bob]

Manike, give them the link to "Carmen" for a visual example of what you are talking about.

-Evil Bob

[Dark Cloud]

NICE! Make one for an Emag and i'll buy IT!

[FESTUS33]

Verryy Sweet NiCad:cool:
Now You got me DROOOOLLLLLIINNNGG!!
I Need a 4axis Tabletop and sure can't afford one right now!
Very Nice Work.
Rick :eek:

[FutureMagOwner]

ill be your number 2 if i get money for this

[manike]

Originally posted by Evil Bob
Manike, give them the link to "Carmen" for a visual example of what you are talking about.

-Evil Bob

OK, but Carmen is pretty serious machining. If you want to see it go HERE! (http://www.tebis.com/tebis_neu/index.php3?LNG=en&R1=01&R2=01&R3=00&R4=01)

It's a combination of 3+2 axis roughing, and 5 axis semi and finishing techniques. An impressive piece by many accounts.

The whole thing takes under 6 hours...

[FESTUS33]

LOL The Guy who wrote that program, Should get an Award for being the first person to create Porn on a Mill :D :D
Rick:eek:

[sniper1rfa]

if i remember correctly, there was no writing involved. it whent from a 3D scan of a statuette into tebis, which converted the model into the code needed to run the cnc machine. VERY cool, nontheless

[FutureMagOwner]

also did you shorten the front of it at all because normally it lines up perfectly with the battery pack on the emag and shortening it would look very odd(angled would be nice however)

[mag-hatter]

sorry, i dont know if someone posted this or not, but how much are these going to be?

[chris007]

will your body's cover valve.they allways look better with valve covered with c&c.:)

[ChucktheMAGician]

To, mag-hatter

Originally posted by nicad
i dont know if this is the place to talk pricing and selling.. ill prolly put a post in the dealers corner. for now, they are planned to go for around $225, just the milled body no anno. if you suply the body, i guess knock off $100. :)
and chris007

Originally posted by nicad
i agree with the over valve setup,
BUT.. grrr... no info about those next sluggos yet!!

:rolleyes:

[TITAN]

Do you have an ETA on these beutiful things?

[nicad]

ok yall.. got this one allll polished up.. man i gotta say. WOW. you will no believe it. ofcourse you wont believe it, cause i cant get the pictures off my camera where im at! so, look for pictures shortly..

this means everytning is ready. sine AGD does not have any slugs for sale right now (they will again soon), I cant get any more slug bodies to mill right now. For those of you who already have a stock sluggo wanting to make it into a Chord body, please go ahead and email/PM me. the price for this will be $125 for it a beautifully milled, polished, ready to be annodized body.

yes they will cover over the valve once the new slugs are out...

the front stops exactly where the barrel threads into the body, just like an angel.

again, be looking for pics of the polished body soon (looks like chrome!!!) :)

colin

[darklord]

$125? :eek: Very nice price! I would've expected more for such a beautifully milled body. Looks like AGD already has some competition ;)

[FutureMagOwner]

alright ill definantly do it can you polish it along with all my other emag parts?(ill disasemble as much as possible)

[ncsurfer00]

Originally posted by nicad
ok yall.. got this one allll polished up.. man i gotta say. WOW. you will no believe it. ofcourse you wont believe it, cause i cant get the pictures off my camera where im at! so, look for pictures shortly..

this means everytning is ready. sine AGD does not have any slugs for sale right now (they will again soon), I cant get any more slug bodies to mill right now. For those of you who already have a stock sluggo wanting to make it into a Chord body, please go ahead and email/PM me. the price for this will be $125 for it a beautifully milled, polished, ready to be annodized body.

yes they will cover over the valve once the new slugs are out...

the front stops exactly where the barrel threads into the body, just like an angel.

again, be looking for pics of the polished body soon (looks like chrome!!!) :)

colin



By 125 you mean if we already have a sluggo for you right? Also, is anyone coming out with a warp body!! Please someone!!!!!

[darklord]

No longer classic? :( To the top she goes, then!

[nicad]

new pictures will be up tonight! :)

out..

[sniper1rfa]

nicad, you out there? check your PM's and TURN ON NOTIFICATION!

;) :D

[nicad]

i think youll enjoy... i know i do..

http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03010012s.jpg

http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03010013s.jpg

http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03010016s.jpg

http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03010018s.jpg

http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03010021s.jpg

out!

[Russ]

Damn, that is SPECTACULAR!

All this ULE-body stuff has my head spinning...I can't decide what I want http://www.thehighroad.org/images/smilies/banghead.gif

[sniper1rfa]

whoaoow!

you may send that right along with the cap for testing. i dont mind. :D ;)


BEAUTIFUL!

[PsychoBaller]

nice.... put that bad boy together with an Xvalve.... and fully set it up... I wanna see.

~da baller

[LaW]

Originally posted by PsychoBaller
nice.... put that bad boy together with an Xvalve.... and fully set it up... I wanna see.

~da baller

werd to that.... looking hot!!! :)

[darklord]

Looks nice now that it's polished! $125 if we send our own sluggo, right? Very nice job.

[GT]

Originally posted by nicad
i think youll enjoy... i know i do..

http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03010012s.jpg

http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03010013s.jpg

http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03010016s.jpg

http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03010018s.jpg

http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03010021s.jpg

out!

yea thats right quote this to take another look.
SWEEEEETTTTTTTTTTT1

JB

[nicad]

thanks for the feedback yall.. :)
yes if you already have your own sluggo.. I will make it look just like this one here for $125.

** Because of AGD's sluggo production problems, right now I can only do this for those of you who already have a sluggo and can send it to me to be milled.**
my turnaround for this should be within a day or two.
I can also do pretty much any kind of ball detent setup you want.. cocker, angel, single, double. The $125 + body price does not include a feed neck nor the ball detent..

out!

[TITAN]

where in houston are you? j/w

[Clare]

Wow!! Very Impressive!

[langrage]

Are you bringing this to the TX AO meet?

[Quiet]

I'm just...well...Speechless
:eek:

[nicad]

im in the Galleria area of Houston..
and yes this will be at the TX AO meet in Dallas! :)

[AGD]

YEA BABY!!! Now that looks HOT!!

Put it on a gun and lets see it!!

AGD

[mag-hatter]

can you bore out the back so the black part of the xvale is covered up, because if some people have a chrome scheme on their gun, the xvalve blackness messes it up, and you could just bore out the back of the body to let the xvalve slide in. OH! and you could ripper mill the part that slides over the valve to look purdy!

[ChucktheMAGician]

Originally posted by mag-hatter
can you bore out the back so the black part of the xvale is covered up,
That would take another sluggo;) :D

[halB]

so, with all this talk of 4th and 70th dimensions, ur saying i cant make a body like that with my shop smith lathe :( ?

[mag-hatter]

Originally posted by ChucktheMAGician

That would take another sluggo;) :D

you mean like a longer one?

[nicad]

as per requested- heres a coupla shots with it on a gun.. however the only actual AGD mag parts i have laying around are an ol RT rail and a hyperframe! :-/
the forgrip is just laying there for imagination, not connected. also lighting is really bad.. oh well!

http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03040012s.jpg

http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03040016s.jpg

[pito189]

Very, very, very, very nice. I think you just made up my mind showing that polished one, and saying you can do double detents. I will just have to wait until AGD gets some new sluggos out.

Just wondering do you have a weight on the body?

VERY NICE THOUGH

:D :eek: :D :)

[nicad]

Chord body weighs 4oz..
stock unmilled sluggo weighs 8.7oz, so yep its less than half!

this body with an Xvalve + lvl10 bolt and longest spring weigh in at 13.2 oz!
so it should be very easy to build a marker (body, rail, triggerframe, xvalve) which weighs less than 2LB. :)

out!

[pito189]

Is the Chord 4 oz with the feed tube, and ball detent?

[Matt Crawford]

Nicad: you have a PM, gotta question for ya

Nice body, I love the "ripper" look to it

[pito189]

Crawford, delete the name in your signature that aren't Links, so you will be within the limit.

The body is AWESOME!:D

[nicad]

just got back from Paintballmaxx where i took some shots of the Chord body on BradAGD's emag. wow...

http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03060003s.jpg
http://www.deadlywind.com/chord/03060006s.jpg

out!

[_Spork_1]

could i get a sluggo mailed to you direcly from AGD you mill it, then send it to me?

and anyone neear you do powder coating or anno?


LMK, i'm a 100% sure buyer

[AutoMaggot]

That is HOT. Almost makes me want an Emag again... almost

[Russ]

Oh man, I gotta go change my shorts! That E-Mag is SWEET

:cool:

[pito189]

Good lord that is freaking awesome. WOW!

Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: :eek:

[darklord]

The full setup is simply breathtaking!

Can we just order these directly from you, instead of buying a slug from AGD, then sending it to you? Are they going to be annodized? I'd love to see one in black, or a red>black fade.

[AGD]

Nicad,

Start a new thread with pics and I will sticky it.

AGD

[nicad]

done..
new pics thread located at: http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=682437


out!