EMAG & XMAG triggers suck - CAN'T WALK! Says this guy...

[Jack & Coke]

From: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2007363#post2007363




terrorizer666 wrote:

...I have never seen a video, in which someone walked his e / xmag trigger real fast, and that always prefented me from buying an E or X Mag.

I know I <- (!) can walk the trigger with a Racegun Cocker, an Angel, an Intimidator, but I can´t with a Mag...

...If you happen to have a video of that, it may be an argument for the Mag. But these fullauto videos (TK and Butter's vids) don´t mean very much to me...

...Jack and Coke, I actually shot an X Mag C&C on my local field I own with a friend of mine. And I gotta say, either that dude was a complete techniquefish or X Mags feel like normal Automags.

The trigger he had was just crappy, very hard triggerpull, far away from walkable.

And with saying "I haven´t tried E or X Mags tho, cuz they arent allowed in Germany " I wanted to say, that I haven´t bought and owned an X or E Mag yet. I shot one, but that wasn´t such a good experience.

Well come on, dig em trigger-walking vidz up buddy!



I told him, the MAG E trigger can be "dailed-in" for max ROF, just like any other fast electro.

He says he has never seen live or video of anyone walking a mag E trigger fast.

My EMAG should arrive in a few weeks so I won't be able to video tape a demo until then...

Can the AO Army point me to a link of a video clip of someone "walking the trigger" of an EMAG?

Thanks

[askman]

there was vid of someone walking the ULE trigger at the last AO megameet. That is with a mechanical trigger. That should impress anybody.

[Jack & Coke]

links?

What I really need is a link to a clip of someone walking the E trigger of a mag. (very fast)

Anyone care to help out and make a clip?

Otherwise, I'll have to wait a few weeks until I get my own EMAG...

[Ityl]

walking the trigger is dumb anyways, just for show, imo. Many people, including angel owners, could fire my brother's emag faster than there own gun. I can't fire a matrix, IR3, imp, or race as fast an the emag.

[puckmaster]

I'll make a video today of me getting 14 bps walking the trigger.

[puckmaster]

walking the trigger is dumb anyways, just for show, imo. Many people, including angel owners, could fire my brother's emag faster than there own gun. I can't fire a matrix, IR3, imp, or race as fast an the emag.

I walk the trigger in games, and it is NOT for only for show. It gets ALOT of paint in the air very quicky. Trust Me, I know.

[Jack & Coke]

pickmaster is correct.

During games, I can easily "walk" my Timmy 14-16 bps (as indicated by my new LCD clamy frame w/Equalizer)...

..and I don't do it for show... :):):)

[Evil Bob]

By design, we have been given an incredibly flexible trigger, not only can we adjust the trigger travel and sensitivity using the trigger stop and the magnet mounted on the trigger, we can also adjust the Emag/Xmag trigger pull weight by removing magnets from the grip frame and adding a spacer or two under the magnets. You can make it as hard or light as you wish.

Most Emags ship with 3 rare earth magnets in the trigger frame for a really crisp pull/return, remove one or two and you drasticly cut down the pull resistance and return strength. Drop in an on/off pin oring in there and it'll get so easy to pull that you can blow on the trigger and it will fire as was done with Capo's mag. There is a video floating around here that shows a straw being used to fire her mag, the author was blowing on the trigger :) That would be a good one to post for the adjustability argument.

Keep in mind that the easier the pull, the less the trigger return strength. Ideally you want a trigger that will snap back quickly when walking, so there is a point of dimishing returns. This is, of course, if you are not using the mag in hybrid mode, hybrid throws all bets off and allows you to setup a sweet super sensitive trigger with a solid return.

Playing around with the magnets/oring config and you can fine tune the trigger to where you can walk it like a madman.

On my Emag, I use one magnet and no spacer, my son uses only one magnet and one spacer, everyone will have their particular config that they are comfy with.

-Evil Bob

[puckmaster]

i have 2 white teflon o-rings and 1 magnet it mine, and it is LIGHT and it is also very easy to walk.

[Evil Bob]

The only way an Emag/Xmag would feel like any other mag triggerwise is if the guy who owned the gun that terror shot had the trigger rod unscrewed and butted up against the trigger, which would 100% defeat the whole purpose of the electronic frame. I highly doubt someone would be so stupid as to do that, but you never know.

The more plausible theory is that terror has never actually fired an Emag/Xmag, those who have know there is a night and day difference between them and their mechanical counterparts. Even my six year old can describe the difference in feel.

-Evil Bob

[FeelTheRT]

i can't walk E-Mag triggers either. Sorry but i hate magnet triggers! I prefer the classic feel of springs where it's not hard at first and gets lighter.

[wes]

what aboot the video wiht capo and she had her trigger so light, it would shoot when you blew on it?

i'll try and find it....




thread (http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64957&highlight=straw) thats the link


edtiaasdsd- the video seems to be down...

[Jack & Coke]

From:http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=2013709#post2013709


Originally posted by terrorizer666
That´s more interesting than these videos that have been around for a while.
Don´t get me wrong, I just wanna see how someone easily rips on an X Mag.

That thing is hella expensive, like an ir3 c&c over here, and if anyone of my freinds and teammates is going to buy it, I´d like to see the possibilities before.

I kind of wonder why there are no such Videos, cuz everytime you see an E Cocker video or a Timmyvid, they all easily walk the trigger. It´s essential for me in my game, it´s my style of playing to shoot the trigger walking. And I would say every gun that is that expensive should at least give it´s user the possibility to rip on the trigger like hell, in order to hit RoF´s of 14+ bps in semi auto.

[Kevmaster]

two words:

ROLLER and TRIGGER

[LittlePaintballBoy]

bottom of the page (http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64957&perpage=30&highlight=straw&pagenumber=2)

[Jack & Coke]

Maybe the request was not clear...

"W A L K I N G the trigger fast"

not "rolling the trigger"

not "raking the trigger"

not "blowing the trigger"

:)

Something like this:

http://homepage.mac.com/alle/iMovieTheater7.html

[LittlePaintballBoy]

that matrix is pretty sick. i like when he shoots the x on the bunker.:D

[Jonno06]

haha...that guy is such a retard...

nice gun though.

puckmaster said he was gonna make a video for you, but maybe he forgot?

[beefstew]

i will get a vid of me ripping on my X. I can get up to 13-14 no problem, with my off hand. I think i can get it saterday? hmm, we shall see.

[lack of grace]

Originally posted by Ityl
walking the trigger is dumb anyways, just for show, imo. Many people, including angel owners, could fire my brother's emag faster than there own gun. I can't fire a matrix, IR3, imp, or race as fast an the emag.

I walk my trigger while playing and I dont do it for show...I can shoot faster by walking, in turn creating a tigher stream of paint in front of someone running.

I guess I don't see how or why you would think its for show..

[TheJester]

even i was able to walk an emag trigger the 1st time i picked it up...and that was my 1st time ever shooting an electro gun, so needless to say i wasn't used to the feel, nor did i have the proper rythem for walking, but i pulled it off.

[Jack & Coke]

TecnoRobo found this:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=66109&highlight=emag+video

Although it's fast, I can't tell if BlackVCG is using HYBRID (illegal bounce), or WALKING the TRIGGER...

I think this is only 13-14 bps though.

:)

Anyone else with a clip of someone "walking the trigger" of E-MAG's?

Strange how the E-trigger of the E-MAG is supposed to be so awesome and easy to shoot, but there's no video proof of anyone walking the trigger faster than 15+ bps (common for other top end electros).

[BlackVCG]

That's just me pulling the trigger in straight E-Mode. I don't even have a trigger rod or a rod on the sear arm for the trigger rod for that matter. I can't walk the trigger. I guess it might have to do with how I have the trigger set, but for me walking the trigger it's pointless when I can pull at that speed with one finger.

[Jack & Coke]

Cool!

Thanks for the details BlackVCG :)

[TecnoRobo]

glad you got what you needed...
Show this non-believer the light!

[Jack & Coke]

it's still not "walking" though... :)

[shartley]

What does it matter if you can “walk” a mag or not? Isn’t it more important that you can shoot it fast any way you CAN? And isn’t a marker shooting fast by “walking” it as fast as one shooting the same speed by “pulling” the trigger, or “fanning”, or “rolling” it?

If “walking” is the ONLY way an individual can reach the speeds he/she WANTS to reach while shooting a marker then getting one that may not be ideal for that type of firing process may not be the best choice for them to make.

Is that a reflection on the marker though? Nope… it is a reflection on the user. But then again it is much easier to blame the equipment. ;)

It has already been established that the fastest marker is most often determined by the USER and what they are comfortable with, and not the capabilities of the marker itself. Any given marker or trigger setup may or may not be faster than any other, given the preferences and skills of each user.

So, to this guy, I say……… If YOU can’t walk a mag, and that is what is most important to you, don’t get one. No problem. Now have a nice life.

[FreshmanBob]

Honestly guys, I've always had trouble walking e-mag triggers of any lightness and length, but that's me. I'll walk maybe 7 or 8 at best on an emag, pick up a matrix LCD and get about 15 going. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of magnetic triggers in general, but that's me. Hell, Blazing Ace can easily hit 13 or 14 bps with his e-mag, so one person's opinion doesn't mean much.

[Jack & Coke]

shartley, I agree... however, he does have a point that for a "fast" marker, it's strange that there are no existing videos of anyone "walking" their e-mag with any mouth watering speed.

"What does it matter if you can “walk” a mag or not?"

It does matter to some...

I for one prefer walking a super light trigger. Since it's what I like, it does matter to me. That how I like to shoot. ...and as I suspect, the same may be true for the guy who posted the original question.

It's all about preference. If indeed it is very difficult to maintain a high ROF via walking technique with the mag, then many people who have horned their walking skills may shy away from the mag.

I know this is not the case... but just like everything else on AO, we want "proof".

[MagAl]

A few quick questions I know waht walking and fanning but waht is rolling? I made a search but had no successThanks in advance

[Jack & Coke]

rolling = raking = http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72838&highlight=jack+coke

[Daroach]

If i had a digi camcorder i would get a vid of me walking my Xmag trigger, but i don't.....sorry d00d

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

I walk my emag's trigger easier then I could walk my adrenalin angel's trigger. Only gun that i've shot that I could walk the trigger easier then the emag trigger would be the matrix that the field owner has at my field.

[Jack & Coke]

I'm still waiting for my ULE EMAG to come in so I havn't had a chance to try out the E-mag trigger.

As far as electros go, I've shot a Timmy, Matrix, Angel LCD, Angel IR3, Impy, Shocker 4x4, and Bushy...

By FAR, the EASIEST to rip FAST (walking @ 16+ bps) was the Timmy w/Equalizer!http://www.automags.org/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

The Matrix was a close second.

I can't wait until I get my ULE EMAG!:)

[Skoad]

well jack? did you ever get the emag? ;)

[CFD323]

To all of you that said you had no problem walking the Emag trigger...what are your trigger setups ? Just curious how everyone has theirs set.

[Jack & Coke]

Skoad,

Not yet!:(

Tunaman is waiting for it to come back from the engravers.

Tunaman has been very nice and helpful in keeping me updated.

My ULE EMAG started off as a bare-bones kit, then it got polished and anoed, then it went to AGD for processing, and now it's at the engravers...

Tuna is just waiting to receive it, assemble it, test it, fine-tune it, install magic elves in it, and ship it.

You guys will know when I get it! :)http://www.automags.org/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Skoad]

bleh

i want to see how you fair....i can't walk my emag trigger for beans. I'm thinkin about setting the trigger pull longer and try that but i can get like the first 5 shots off pretty fast then I crap out. And thats in E-mode, in hybrid i can't even get started.

I just do the old finger/wrist spasm, and i seem to get good rates. But i'd sure like to walk.

[S.S Bandit1]

I can walk my new Xmag like its secondary to breathing. As far as I know, the trigger is equivilent to emag triggers. I just got it yesterday and I picked it up and walked REALLY easily. I think it is cuz it has a pretty strong magnetic return and the pull is about 1.5mm-2mm long. I guess it all has to do with how the trigger is setup.

[BajaBoy]

Originally posted by Jack &amp; Coke


Tunaman is waiting for it to come back from the engravers.



My ULE EMAG started off as a bare-bones kit, then it got polished and anoed, then it went to AGD for processing, and now it's at the engravers...

what does this all mean???:D :p are you cookin up something special?

[Jack & Coke]

"are you cookin up something special?"

Nah...

nothing too crazy...;)

Gloss Black ULE Tuna EMAG

Ingedients:

1 part ULE Body
1 part ULE Rail
1 part ULE Frame
1 part X-VALVE
1 BMF ULE Magic Elf

*licks chops at what will come out of the oven*

:cool:

[Automaggin2]

O man, i know 1stdeadeyes xmag can be walked very easily. 1DE, you should put up a video :)

[1stdeadeye]

This past weekend, two of the refs from Paintball Invasion walked Mango's and my X-Mag triggers very nicely.

I prefer to fan the trigger.

;)

[Jack & Coke]

Can you describe your technique for "fanning" the trigger?

Thanks :)

[1stdeadeye]

I hold the gun with my left hand. Usually by the battery pack. I then fan the trigger using the middle finger of my right hand.

I do not have a digital video camera yet so I can't post a vid of it. I'll have someone take my picture this Sunday at Paintball Invasion and post it!

[Jack & Coke]

Is the tank pressed into your right or left shoulder?

[1stdeadeye]

Into my right shoulder. Sometimes I hold it by the Warp bracket when I want to get really tight into a bunker.

[GatoLoco]

any vids, or is everyone at ao day:p

[GatoLoco]

up, i am sorry people, i just love seing emags shooting, its almost as good as jello pudding on an obese cat

[nospmas311]

A guy down at the field I play at has an e-gripped A-5 with modified springs in the grip and a double trigger. Basically, he just rolls his finger from the top of the trigger, to the middle, then the bottom. He does this really fast and hits like 14/15 bps (says the chronograph). Pretty amazing if you ask me.

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by nospmas311
A guy down at the field I play at has an e-gripped A-5 with modified springs in the grip and a double trigger. Basically, he just rolls his finger from the top of the trigger, to the middle, then the bottom. He does this really fast and hits like 14/15 bps (says the chronograph). Pretty amazing if you ask me.

You mean like this?

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72838&highlight=GZ+roller

http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=697842

This is called: Trigger "raking". :)

Funny how there are STILL no video clips of people "WALKING" their EMAG triggers FAST... :confused:

Rest assured, as soon as my EMAG arrives, I'll record a video clip of me trying to "WALK" an EMAG - wether it's FAST or SLOW! ;)

[WarBUCKs]

Any news on walking cuz "No Skillz" was telling me that people were having a hard time walking the X-mags trigger at AO Day in Southern California. If I wasn't on vacation, I would of videotaped people playing and attempting to walk the trigger. I need more footage for the video I am putting together anyways.

BlackVCGs video is fast, but he supposedly isn't walking the trigger. If I could move my hand that fast, I wouldn't need a girlfriend. :eek:

I am ready to see a video people. I have a digi-cam but I am just missing the gun.

[EsPo]

jack and coke = teh 1337 pball forum narc ;););)

[magman007]

any one going to philly psp and bringing a camera? il take my sfl, and il walk the trigger for you, it isnt hard folks!

the e is easy as hell to walk the trigger, my personal preference is to have a little of pre and after travel, not something that is all hysterisis, i like a lil travel, then throw the oring uptop with one magnet


its a walkable wonder

[rdb123]

Jack, assuming I get the SFL repaired, I should have it back within 10 days I'm thinking. I can only walk it at about 11bps--not fast at all, but I'll do it if you think that will be ok.

Let me know.

-Ron

[DiRTyBuNNy]

I walked PBZ's Green X and also walked No Skillz NYX Matrix at AO Day SoCal...not a problem whatsoever...it's easy..

[Boothhead]

I was walking my emag(1.37 software) with my newly tuned trigger. The tigger was set up so well for my walking style that I burned out the board. I have to send the gun away to agd tomo to get the board replaced.

I would video tape it for ya, but the board has seased to work.

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by Boothhead


...The tigger was set up so well for my walking style that I burned out the board...



WOW!:eek:

Your technique must be magnificent!

The EMAG board can't handle your kung fu!:confused:

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Yes Grasshopper...for your next test of will...catch paintball in mid-air with chopstick...

[Boothhead]

I caught a paintball outa mid air with my nuts once.
Does that count?
:D :D :D

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by Boothhead
I caught a paintball outa mid air with my nuts once.
Does that count?
:D :D :D

That depends on the degree of difficulty.

[Kaiser Bob]

anyone trying to walk the emag trigger and cant do it... Make sure you are putting your fingers on the middle hump and the bottom edge of the trigger... makes it easy to walk just about any emag trigger regardless of the setup.

[Boothhead]

Yeah I walk all triggers on the points that protude the most.

A Blade makes it alot easier on an Emag.

[terrorizer666]

Hey guys, nice thread.
Just seeing this on here cuz I haven´t been here for a long long time. Jack + Coke : thanks for bringing it up, and the question is still there : Who´s got a vid of walking an E / X Mag trigger ?

What I saw til now is a bunch of f/a videos, which isn´t impressive. And then a few retro videos (come on, that´s no skill ;)) plus a guy from Odyssey shooting or "raking" their rollertrigger, which wasnt fast ,too.

Someone mentioned that he was only raking or fanning his trigger, could you show me how you would handle that while running and shooting ? Or while crawling / lying in a small bunker like a snake ?

Everytime I am attempting to rake the trigger like J+C showed in his animation it looks like a dog wants to do a cow... or something like that... :rolleyes:

Get the videos on guys, or isn´t it only a myth that you can not walk X Mag triggers ? I hope it only is, cuz I like these guns for sure.

Ben