2x Frame Need Design Help Fast!!! (pics) >>

[AGD]

Team AO,

Here are two pics of laser engraved designs we are thinking about for the new frame. Please give us your opinions!!

Thanks AGD

http://www.spectrashift.com/images/2xframeL.jpg

http://www.spectrashift.com/images/2xframeR.jpg

[MagMan5446]

Personally, I like the second one.

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[E-Mag man]

I think they both look great. Keep up the good work

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[Arturus]

Nice... I like them both.

Up until now I wasn't sure if I would buy one...

I understand this isn't the tech forum for those of you who posted about it earlier...

... but what's the level of difficulty in installing one of these frames/grip on to an RT Pro? Are there any 'physical' adjustments I have to make in order to put one of these on, as in drills... cutting, etc?

An additional question to AGD is, will it void the official, as well as 'unofficial' warrenty policy that my marker has if I put this frame on it?

Yes, I am the official forum newbie! http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif

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[Flamebo]

I like the second one a bit more, but the first is great too... Very nice, I can't make a solid call.

[RobAGD]

I dont care for eigher, I am a fan of understated stuff.

I would like the AGD to look more like the logo thats in the AGD grips in the RT / RT Pro.

Maybe do some light edging high lights on some of the mill work.

-Robert

[Miscue]

Honestly, I like it better w/o it. It's too busy. That thing that circles the safety/trigger pin looks like big lopsided [Female reproductive organs which produce life giving essence for the consumption of recently born young humans]... http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif



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[Arturus]

Personally, if I had a choice... would love just a plain polished/chrome version of it to match the look of my RT Pro.

Miscue - lol I didn't even notice 'till you pointed it out.



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[MNMINIMAG]

Miscue hit it on the .... whatever. I'd say skip it. The look doesn't fit with the rest of the product for which it's intended.

[keebler]

i like the second one better. cooler design. that is which one i would buy. also are the sticky grips coming with the frame?

[PaintGuy89]

It looks nice but if the money can be saved without having it, I would rather save money. It looks nice though.

[Chaos]

if I were to choose, I'd go with #2, but I think flames would look cooler. Personaly I dont like the western style AGD logo there, I think AGD needs a simple logo to put on things, instead of just 'AGD'. I'm with Rob though. Look at DYE, its DYE but it has the target behind it, and its world known in the paintball industry. if they just had DYE written in normal letters, it'd be boring, but with they make them in the same font with the target behind it, its much more popular.

BTW I love the new look, I have my local store ready to order as soon as they're available.

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[shartley]

I would echo Miscue's comments.

And I think the flames take away from an elegant design, not add to it. I personally would not buy it with flames... but I guess that is a personal style.

Now if you were to use latigo (sp?) style.... LOL Either go all the way with etching, or not at all... LOL

Just my opinion.

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[Cardinal_Biggles]

Personally, i'd prefer the first. It just seems a little easier on the eyes... http://www.automags.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[noonagon]

neither. I'm a fan of plain old polished frames. but if you had the whole gun done it would look really cool

DOUG

[PsychoMag]

They both look good...I'll take one...Maybe two (one for each...Rt and mag)



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[Steven]

Guys those are the exact same designs. Jsut one is filled while the other is not.

Personaly I would prefer without and a simple AGD maybe on the rail.



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[mag_pbg]

They both look so sweet but if I had to choose I would pick the second FIRE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

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[bofh]

I think it would be better plain. If I wanted milling and "trick" stuff, I'd go aftermarket.

[luke]

That's WAY too much. (A tad on the cheesy side... Sorry)

Sometimes simplicity is more beautiful.

The original was great with the simple milling.

[wyn1370]

Just one comment. The flames around the trigger pin and safety look like boobs. Take the part out. But I like #2.

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[Load SM5]

Neither, as others said before me, the frames look a little cleaner without flames.

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[Tbone]

I'd have to say the frame looks better without the engraving. Granted, it may be a little empty, but the flames add too much to the point of it looking a little overkill. There has to be something else that can be added instead.

[cphilip]

I agree with the neither comments. I like understated elegance. Just put a small AGD on it and leave it alone. And pass the savings on to us?

[crm]

i have always been a fan of function over form, i.e. the KISS principle...while neither of those designs would keep me from getting one, i would prefer a simple AGD logo (maybe like the one used on the Z-grip)instead of the flames and such. i think the overall elegant design of the frame and trigger already lends a style that speaks for itself.

if i had to choose one, i would prefer the outline instead of the full etching.

and yes, the etching near the safety does look like lopsided mammaries http://www.automags.org/ubb/wink.gif

i gotta say that the amount of input sought by the man himself is really coooool. i dont know of any other company that really takes the time to practice the "we listen to our customers" sermon. maybe with all the feedback Tom has asked for and received about this frame it should be called the "AO Frame" hehehe

good work on the design, but plz just try and keep it simple. its much easier to tolerate someone who is quiet than someone loud and overstated http://www.automags.org/ubb/wink.gif

[krafty]

I'd say skip it as well... Keep the AGD logo (I'd say the outline looks better than the filled-in one) but ditch the flames.

Is there an echo in here?

krafty


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[irbodden]

yea, those flames do look like [Female reproductive organs which produce life giving essence for the consumption of recently born young humans]. i think it would be cooler without that milling. maybe cut out another weird shape or two out so it dont look plain.

-rick

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[cphilip]

I would rather see the AGD milled into it. That way even raw frames could be purchased and Anno or Powder coating would retain it.

[thecavemankevin]

I think #2 looks real nice!

[sajohnston]

Personally I would prefer plain. It would also help keep the cost down and get it on the market sooner.

[Magsrule3]

I would agree with Rob, not that those designs aren't cool, but I like plain things unless the hole gun is engraved like that.

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[Thordic]

Out of the two I pick the first one...

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[Magsrule3]

Now that I look at it in the first pic. I like the little white flame on the back, it gives it a good touch.

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[mykroft]

Like the plain frame best, if you go for the engraving lose the claws/boobs, and put another flame there, outline version does look better.

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[Major Ho]

hehe, lopsided [Female reproductive organs which produce life giving essence for the consumption of recently born young humans]... http://www.automags.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
They look a lil too busy...I like the filled AGD font from the first one but maybe in a different font? The plain look with the AGD would look good I think...
But if I had to choose between the two I'd say the second.

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[shartley]

I may be off a bit, but one point to ponder would be that when doing a flame job, all the flames tend to go in ONE general direction. However, the flames used on this frame seem to be used to take up space, NOT add accent.

If that was the intent (to add content) vines would look better. But then again that is not a Paintball Theme (unless it was to be added with a cammo paintjob).

Other than that, I see no positive effect from the flames. And yes, it does look like ["Female reproductive organs which produce life giving essence for the consumption of recently born young humans"]... (you know what I am referring to). the overall effect created makes me think of a cheap child's toy.

Just because you CAN does not always mean you SHOULD. I say, keep it simple, keep it strong.

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[gam-e]

less is more, yes, less is more

just keep the AGD logo and send it to us

[MagDog68]

Personally, I'd like to have the Lion Seal AGD Logo on it, but that may be to intricate for such a small space.

As for the "Tribal" design, they look a little too much like a "Tribal" electro. Ickkkkk.

Tom, Got any plans to offer a Chrome version???

~Fred

[squall]

I like the plain frame and the open set of flames... It might be just the way the light hits the picture, but i like the way AGD shows up in the open flame set.

[PyRo]

Well, i don't like either of them much, but if i were to choose i like the 2nd one.

[AGD]

Ok we hear you, we will go with the plain frame with a little something more on the logo.

Thanks guys!

AGD

[shartley]

No Tom.... Thank YOU. LOL

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[Automager]

They both look great, but the second one is better. Do they come in colors.

[WickeDKlowN]

personally, i dont like either of them, i liked them better before, w/o the stuff.they are both nice, but i just dont care for the extra stuff.if i had to choose, i would choose the top one

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[beam]

That's good. Keep it plain.

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[Marbelizer]

Im not to fond of the flames on the first one, but Id say if you were to go with either of them, pick the second one. Why not design a new AGD logo for the frame? Im sure some ppl around here could help to make something catchy, that will make the frame look awesome. Flames are gettin old, we need a new concept. But then again this is only my opinion. Just a little food for thought!!

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[cphilip]

Great! Glad to be a part of the decision process. Thanks for asking us Tom.

[gam-e]

God this is why i love AGD so much!! The presient of the company is here interacting with us and listening to our ideas.

We love you Tom and it really is us who should be saying Thank You

Take it easy
Dion

[shartley]

Phil, I agree.. ditto.

But does anyone actually READ? The decision was made, and the suggestions keep rolling in. LOL

For all who seemed to skip over it, This is what Tom posted:

<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Ok we hear you, we will go with the plain frame with a little something more on the logo.

Thanks guys!

AGD
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LOL http://www.automags.org/ubb/wink.gif



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[cphilip]

Aww Shartly your spoiling my amusement. http://www.automags.org/ubb/wink.gif

No they never read the responses. Just went right to the reply button. That will bite you in the behind every time...

[shartley]

LOL Sorry Phil.

Oh, you will be happy to know that I will actually NOT be working this afternoon. I am taking the family to one of the large amusement parks up this way. LOL

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[The Mad Painter]

the second probably goes as the winner. but if you look at a mag, the BEAUTIFUL SIMPLICITY of it, you cant really justify the extra money or time for the flames. DYEs are plain, Benchys are plain, and they all STILL look and sell great. but if it were a must have, go with 2. or perhaps a new design, just the AGD milled in, and perhaps one small milled thing.

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[cphilip]

Oh goodie! We will talk about you then. Let me know when you leave so I can start the "Shartly is really Sawtan-Sucks! thread. By the time you get back you will be banned! http://www.automags.org/ubb/wink.gif

Seriously, have a good time with the family. I'll try and keep Tom straight while your gone. (j/k Tom) http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif

[magic55]

I like the second one better. They both look really good though i can't wait to get one

[WarpedBOB]

Stay with the plain look and don't add any engraving.
But if I had to choose between the two I woud pick #1. It's a lot less busy.

bob

[shartley]

Phil,
LOL Too funny! http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif

Time...
Leaving at approx. 12;15 EST.
Back... who knows. You know how it is, I do the driving, not the scheduling. LOL http://www.automags.org/ubb/wink.gif

And about the me being "Sawtan-Sucks"... LOL Sure, that is my style alright. LOL But banning me would not solve much... IP Addresses matter little to me. What one do you want me to use to post with next? LOL But you know that TOO. LOL I always prefer to keep things real though.

Oh, and it is nice to see your entertainment with "blind" posters is still going on. LOL http://www.automags.org/ubb/wink.gif


(glad to see someone is on the job... the Tom thing... LOL jk2)
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[Major Ho]

I got it!!! If people like the flames and the logo wants/needs to be changed...
AGD Logo in a flame design!!! Woo hoo! D'oh, wait a minute, hows that gonna work anyhow?
I cant picture a font that is flamelike but y'all get the idea.

[Dragoon]

Oh thank the gods, no engraving.
It's great to know that this board has an impact on the products it worships.
Thanks for listening Tom.

Douglas

[automagkid]

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[LittMag]

<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by AGD:


Ok we hear you, we will go with the plain frame with a little something more on the logo.

Thanks guys!

AGD</font>


Heh, Mr. Kaye you just read my mind =P



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[ReTroMagBoy]

<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by AGD:


Ok we hear you, we will go with the plain frame with a little something more on the logo.

Thanks guys!

AGD</font>

i agree...the flames were a little too much but if you made the AGD logo a little flashier and likeable that would be nice!

BTW, the frames looks Bad *** ~ http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif


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[Meric]

I think it's too much. The Flames just take away from the frame. Just have it all solid black and chrome the trigger. That would be sweet. Simple is better. And if the user decides to add designs on it, they can do it themselves or send it to a specialist.

Meric

[Micromag5371]

if i had to pick, i would pick the second(bottom) but i am pretty simple, if i could get it in satin black i would be thrilled

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[LawFox32]

Beautiful! I love both of them, but I would have to go w/ the 1st b/c it goes w/ my guns chrome body

sweet

[cphilip]

<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by AGD:


Ok we hear you, we will go with the plain frame with a little something more on the logo.

Thanks guys!

AGD</font>

Sheeeeesh!

(submitted for Shartley in his absence)



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[luke]

SMART move Tom, those would have been a flop on the field.

THANK YOU!

[randomboy]

Sure, so I type up my first post and the things dont show up no matter what I do, then I post, it refreshes the page, and sure enough there they are http://www.automags.org/ubb/wink.gif Yeah definitely go with the plain AGD Frame.....

yay for plain http://www.automags.org/ubb/wink.gif

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[StevoC]

I prefer the plain-jane look myself. Don't care much for the engraving.

[jon-boy]

here's my vote for neither... I want mine either brushed stainless or ano'd black.

[Magoo]

I say go with the AGD logo like on the Z-grip, but if you already threw that idea out, I say the second one.

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[Blue 88]

I like the second one better, but the first is also nice.

[Meric]

<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by AGD:


Ok we hear you, we will go with the plain frame with a little something more on the logo.

Thanks guys!

AGD</font>

Hey AGD!!!

Since you're going for the plain frame,... can I have the frame you used to take these pics? I'll be more then happy to take it off your hands. http://www.automags.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Rooster]

After polling one out of every five mag owners about their favorite, #1 or #2, i have to say..

The decisions been made=P.

Good call, AGD.

Move along, nothing to see here.

[X-Plosive]

I say tag it all off and just leave the milling at the back and the engraved AGD. I have a funny suspiscion that this design all has to do with the name Tom has already chosen for the "Name the Frame Giveaway"

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[shartley]

Thanks Phil! http://www.automags.org/ubb/smile.gif

I see it did little good anyway. LOL

I am back now. All was wonderful, but while we were there, there was an accident on the largest roller coaster. None of us were on it, but you can imagine people's concern. When I got back, I wasn't in more than 2 minutes and the phone rang.... LOL

It is good to be loved.... even if it WAS just from an associate of mine. LOL

Oh, I say we go without the flames.. what about you? LOL (jk)

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[Phatty]

I think the extra engravings are pushin it. I like the AGD engraved on it, but that is all I would want on mine.

[mikey101]

I think I like the frame a lot better without the engraving. The AGD is good, but I think you should leave it alone. Maybe lazer engrave around the grips.

[jah871]

I dont really like either of them but if i would have to choose i would choose the first one. if u did anything i would like to see u guys countersink the back frame screw. cuz i played today and i have a red sore form it. i think it would be great if u guys did that on the plaint frame. also if u didnt engrave them mabe make it in a few more colors.

[Starfire]

PLAIN IS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDD =)

[frgood]

Not fond of either. Something a little simpler would be preferable. Or, If there was someway to get the two lions logo on the frame

[Milkmag]

gotta go!

[magman007]

i think it would look good if it were just plain with either al silver chrome what have you or just black with a laser inscribed agd logo

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[rictus]

The 2nd one of course. Just ask Hetfield, flames rip, oh wait he's in rehab....never mind.

[Dubstar112]

the second one definitely, the first one is more contemporary looking, while the second one looks more classical engraving

[slayer]

I think I am too late but just make the frame teflon black, and if you wanted to do something interesting put a checkering patern(like on real guns), or fishbone pattern on it. I felt that the flames made it look cheesy and like all those other companies that try and sell their gun cause it looks cool and is shiny. Or put lions on them that way it is the company insignia.

[billybob]

They looks cool but why not use the AGD symbol like in the Z-grips? those were sweet.

[Xzion]

Between the two of them, I prefer the second one(the bottom one) though the frame should be sleek and elegant, to go better with the markers they're being made for. I get a notion that they're trying to be 'angelized' though, perhaps thats what alot of people want these days. All in all, I say go with, or give an option to have a practical, functional, elegant looking frame to go with the superb products they're made for.
just my two cents.

[Bailey]

Ill disagree with most and say i love em both they would look great with the way im gonna set up my mag. !
Personally i like the boobs! Nice touch AGD!
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[-§on-]

I like the 2nd one the most.

[frgood]

What you are seeing is here is a long lost attribute. The willingness of a company to adjust and change to market demand in such a visible way.
This type of visibility is very rare. After working in business for almost thirty years. It is quite a thrill to witness.
Keep up the good work.

[Zumina]

K.I.S.S. AGD! Save us some money, and you some production time. All we really want is a frame that works!

[AGD]

Guys,

We really appreciate all the feedback. We have decided at your request to go with a plain frame. I am going to lock this thread because I don't want to wear out your batteries, we will have more stuff for you to comment on.

Thanks!!

AGD