FYI: TOTALLY New INTIMIDATOR DESIGN (not just new milling pattern)

[Jack & Coke]

No pics yet. Sorry.

This is just a "heads up" for AO's Timmy fans...

From:http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=276574


Originally posted by Terry59 07-19-2003 12:33 AM


At the PSP/NXL tourney in Philly next month, the NXL Oakland Assassins will be sporting brand new, never seen before, redesigned Intimidators.

This marker will sport an entirely new body and fame, it will be the fastest, smallest and lightest Intimidator to date. Should weigh in at 2 lbs. or less.


Balance will improve with newly repositioned feed port and grip.

An all new main valve, sleeve, ram, bumper and cap assembly for improved flow, faster cycling and longer service intervals.

A new LP regulator mounted on a new reg housing that will void the need of an aftermarket volumizer. ( No more need for LP conversions or volumizer capatibility issues.)

LCD screen and buttons will be repositioned on the frame.

Lastly, there will be a few other changes that I will hold back and will release prior to Philly.

As a side note, I've been biting my tongue for the longest time and laughing at the peeps on this forum who say that Bob is only interested in developing new milling patterns for the Intimidator.

This new marker, which I'm not even sure if it will be called an Intimidator, has not been priced and has no set release date for retail sales.




Enjoy :)

[SlipknotX556]

Word, I would love a re designed timmy.

Cant wait to see it. :)

[rehme]

man i want to see that thing

[845]

I should be going to Philly maybe I will take pics.

[Curly]

Sounds pretty cool to me. This is something I may have to get.

[tranman]

How can they really call it an Intimadator if its completely new and redesigned? They really should give it a new name or something.

[Aliens-8-MyDad]

so.... it wont be a pretty spider anymore?

[oneshot]

all I can say is WOW.

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by Aliens-8-MyDad
so.... it wont be a pretty spider anymore?
When was it a Spyder?

[Archangel Kid]

always :P... they were millenium bodies :D

[wobbles82]

Yes pretty Milennium bodies that can cycle and rip incredible streams of paint consistently...thats right. Only a few early Classics were Milennium bodies actually, and even then they had a totally new design INSIDE the body. Anyway, I think Bob realized that the Trixxies and other markers (lightweight mags anyone) are really closing in on em. With the new Speed out, who didnt expect a new design out? I will go to Philly to watch and hope to see this new "amazing" marker. I wasnt overall impressed with the new Shocker, but im hoping this will turn heads. Cmon...ULE development takes off, and now markers are trying to be under 2 lbs? Heh..heh. :D

[_Spork_1]

hmmmmmmm i know what my next marker is. screw the new dye matrix

[Jack & Coke]

From: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=213472


I found this on the web:

Exclusive Interview with Bob Long (http://www.thempn.com/reviews/blong/blong.html)

It is a MUST READ for everyone!

http://www.thempn.com/reviews/blong/bobs.jpg

Regarding the Bob Long - Spyder connection:




...Bob set foot in the paintball industry with his own products when he could not get what he wanted from his distributors. He realized that there was demand for paintball products that were not currently available. His first product was his own line of Bob Long Signature Series vertical feed cockers. The STO Autococker from WGP followed it to the market one year later...






...Manufacturing his own products for almost 2 years now, Bob has a variety of products on the market, ranging from custom bolts (http://www.thempn.com/reviews/blong/bolts.jpg), barrels (http://www.thempn.com/reviews/blong/barrels.jpg), and triggers (http://www.thempn.com/reviews/blong/triggers.jpg), all the way up to inline pressure regulators (http://www.thempn.com/reviews/blong/regs.jpg) and tournament paintball guns (http://www.thempn.com/reviews/blong/blcockers.jpg). “The life of a product in the industry is around 18 months” according to Bob, and believes that “there should be a new product on the market every six months to keep the industry moving.” Due to the huge success of the Kingman Spyder, one of Bob’s best selling aftermarket products is the Cyclone bolt, which has sold over 15,000 nationwide.
Other popular products include the Long Shot barrel series, due to its availability in a large scale of bore sizes to fit any size paintball on the market. The Bob Long Regulator is another popular item, which allows you to adjust the inline pressure with a simple twist from a dime. The Millenium (http://www.thempn.com/reviews/blong/splashmilleniums.jpg) (available as a fully tricked assembled gun, or as an upgrade body (http://www.thempn.com/reviews/blong/millenium.jpg) for an existing Spyder) is Bob Long’s tricked vertical alternative to the Kingman Spyder...



The BODY of the Timmy was INITIALLY BASED on what he had on hand... spare Millenium bodies. Why spend thousands of dollars designing and creating a brand new body, when you already have a ton of AFTERMARKET PARTS available in your warehouse? Makes sense to me!

As for the internals of the Timmy, as appears that this came as the result of the developement of the Defiant/Bushy, and NOT just sticking a solenoid into a Spyder.




...The Defiant

Doug Zander (of Benchmark) machined the first prototype of the Defiant for Bob (prototype is pictured below). Not satisfied with the first attempt, Bob teamed up with Jerry Dobbins from Indian Creek Designs (creator of the original Bushmaster, Pro-master, Desert Fox, and Thunder-cat line of paintball guns).

After the 98 World Cup, Bob realized that electropneumatic was the way to go in order to compete with WDP Angels and Smart Parts Shockers. Bob called up Jerry with the idea. Fortunately, Jerry had already had the same thought.

Utilizing the best concepts from existing designs, the gun in production now emerged. It incorporates a ram similar to the Angel’s and the same 4-way solenoid being used in the Shocker, Jerry came out with the Bushmaster 2000 for himself and a custom signature series for Bob Long called the Defiant.
The Bushmaster 2000 and Defiant (http://www.thempn.com/reviews/blong/bm2000lt.jpg) are almost identical in design except for a few key differences. The Defiant has a custom double finger trigger frame that features a fully adjustable trigger. The Defiant also comes with some milling and custom anodization. The interesting difference is that the Defiant takes cocker barrels while the Bushmaster 2000 takes Indian Creek Designs barrels. A big plus for current cocker owners with an existing barrel collection (http://www.thempn.com/reviews/blong/defiantftrt.jpg). Check out all of the features (http://www.thempn.com/reviews/blong/bdefiantlt.jpg).
...



http://www.thempn.com/reviews/blong/defiant1.jpg

[magmonkey]

"then it wont be a spyder"

show me a spayder that will keep up to a good running timmy

yes yes yes we know that the first timmy was built on a bob long Millenium bodies but they are re machinied

#1 a Millenium is not really a spyder, it is an after market body for a spyder

#2 THE BODIES WERE RE MACHINED

#3 who really cares where it came from it is a fast quality marker

don't get me wrong I love my emag and will never get rid of it for a timmay but there are other quality makers out there and just because this one started life as a "spyder" does not make it any less of a terror on the field

[SIGSays]

hmmm what now? are they gonna throw an lpr onto there spyder? HAHAHA:rolleyes:

[FalconGuy016]

Why does everyone say its a spyder when the internals are so differnt.

[jinxed]

Originally posted by FalconGuy016
Why does everyone say its a spyder when the internals are so differnt.

How are they different? Have you looked inside???

A Timmy -IS- a spyder with parts "added". In fact, you could convert any blowback to a ramvalve with just a morlock, ram and LPR. In fact, thats how the Timmy started. It was originally a "bolt on" kit for a spyder.

I don't know why timmy owners get all bent out of shape.
Timmys, Spyder and Cockers are all based on the same gun: The Stacked-tube Sheridan.

It is very easy to convert a cocker to a timmy or spyder (there kits for both). They all work on the same basic principle, with the main difference being the method of "cocking" the hammer.

So who cares. The Bushy/Impy uses generic sheridan specs, while the Timmy used specific kingman spyder specs.
This does not, in any way, mean that the performance of a Timmy is anything like a Spyder.

Nick

[FalconGuy016]

Alright, I was just thinking "the timmy is not a blowback..." but now, its just a refined blowback :)

its just that people say spyder, and infer that the timmy sucks because of that... why?

[spydervenom]

Originally posted by tranman
How can they really call it an Intimadator if its completely new and redesigned? They really should give it a new name or something.

did you read the thread? he said it might not even be called a timmy anymore and i doubt it will. the only gun that i can think of thats been totally re-designe and kept its name was the shocker and bushmasters(i think)

[punkncat]

Bushys,Defiants,and Timmies are all from the millenium base body.You can still see it.
I am not saying these markers are spyders , but they are certainly the same lineage.REdesigned and vastly superior , but still from the same egg.

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by punkncat
Bushys,Defiants,and Timmies are all from the millenium base body.You can still see it.
I am not saying these markers are spyders , but they are certainly the same lineage.REdesigned and vastly superior , but still from the same egg.
I don't think Defiants are based off of the Millenium body, and I KNOW Bushys aren't. The very first run of Timmys were, but that was in the past.

[manike]

Defiants are not based off the millennium body.

The Bushmaster and Defiant are based off the extrusion from the original Promaster semi auto which was a stacked tube blowback. It was one of the first ever semi's.

The first intimidators were based off the millennium bodies, but they aren't any more. It was why the first timmy's had silver plugs at the back where the ram is. Timmy's haven't had that since the classic and rippers.

[Jack & Coke]

Hi manike,

Long time no talk... great info http://www.automags.org/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

BTW, which guns are you running with nowadays?

Thanks, take care :)

[spydervenom]

timmy bodies are still basically the same as spyder bodies with a few differences. i dont see any problem with that and i dont see any reason why anyone else should.

[jinxed]

Originally posted by manike
Defiants are not based off the millennium body.

The Bushmaster and Defiant are based off the extrusion from the original Promaster semi auto which was a stacked tube blowback. It was one of the first ever semi's.


Ya, but the spyder is a NEAR EXACT copy of the promaster.

Again, I guess it doesnt really matter.
The Cocker is obviously based on the Sniper, which was originally based on the PGP. (even using some PGP parts). There even used to be a sniper-style upgrade kit for the PGP.
So, the cocker is definetly based on the PGP, but performance is completely different.

So, people will say "timmy is based on a spyder" to be an insult, but it only shows a general ignorance of technology.

Just ignore them.

Nick

[punkncat]

To say that a Timmy is based on the same principal as a Spyder is in no way an insult.Its a fact.
All stacked tube blowback markers work generally the same.Just different ways of supplying the air to "blow back" the hammer again.
Just because the "electros" use a ram/solenoid to achieve the same job as the vented valve doesn't mean the principal isn't the same.
The major advantage being that it becomes possible to delay the bolt coming forward thru the electronics that control the solenoid and/or a lower pressure required to bring the hammer forward in the first place , thus reducing or eliminating chops.

I am really sorry that it hurts some peoples feelings that they own a fancy stacked tube marker , that shares much in common with a much cheaper stacked tube......

I mean lets really face it.Just about the only marker that works on a significantly different principal is the Automag.I am sure there are others but thats all that comes to mind right now.