Arnold for Governor

[WicKeD_WaYz]

I dont know about the rest of you but he gets my vote simply becuase he is Arnold. :D :)

Thoughts? Opinions?

<B>*Warning: Sig too big*</B> -Miscue

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz
I dont know about the rest of you but he gets my vote simply becuase he is Arnold. :D :)

Thoughts? Opinions?

I am afraid more people will vote for him based on the same reason.

[1stdeadeye]

http://www.unclephilly.com/july03/arnoldsw.jpg

[Restola]

This exact same thread got locked maybe 2 days ago.

[LittleKrems]

isnt the owner of some porno magazine running too?

[Vash02]

Yeah, well unfortunatly until the election is over we will be seeing threads like this one pop up all the time.

[gibby]

Originally posted by LittleKrems
isnt the owner of some porno magazine running too?
Yes...Larry Flynt...and for that matter, so is a female porn star.

[LittleKrems]

how can so many poeple be running for govener of california?! it seems like there should be at LEAST under 10!

[Gumby]

Ahnold is moderately conservative, and that's enough for me.

[RoadDawg]

Unfortunatly most people are gonna vote for Arnold just cause he's Arnold. I personally am yet to hear any of his issues/policies. Til then Davis has my vote for no recall. This thing is a circus. 150+ candidates. Mary Carey is the porn star that is running. Larry Flynt publisher of Hustler is running. There are several used car sales men. This is just a huge joke. Let Davis serve out his term and if you don't like him vote him out then. He isn't the only one responsible for the condition this state is in. The whole legislature needs re worked. I think it's funny how everyone points the finger at Davis. Oh no the Republicans can have nothing to do with this ... oh no... not them. If you'd like to flame me or what not PM me don't do it here cause for one it's against the forum rules.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

as long as this thread stays civil and stays on topic about arnold and away from direct politics I see no reason a mod would lock it.

I think you can talk about Arnold trying to get into politics, without directly talking about politics. See what im sayin..?

[1stdeadeye]

Campaign literature:

http://www.unclephilly.com/aug03/csoonas.jpg

[Army]

Arnold is pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-taxes, pro-welfare, and anti-big business. He is only moderate on his fiscal policies. That he is a registered Republican, is a farce.

The only thing he and I agree on, is that he is anti-illegal alien (however, he supports amnesty for those criminal aliens already here).




Yes, keep this "non-partison" as much as possible, and I will keep it open. First "Oh Yeah butthead? Well I think..." and it's gone. Army

[FalconGuy016]

He's had a lot of speaches and things showing his opinions, I think they play alot on cspan

[1stdeadeye]

The real reason Arnold is running!
http://www.unclephilly.com/aug03/wtfhappend.jpg

He got tired of working out!!

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Army
Arnold is pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-taxes, pro-welfare, and anti-big business. He is only moderate on his fiscal policies.

he is anti-illegal alien (however, he supports amnesty for those criminal aliens already here).


Looks like I might have to change my ideas on voting for republicans. I think I finally found one that I can vote for and still be able to look myself in the mirror :p . Since I agree with all his points except the immigration one.

[LongDuckDong]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
The real reason Arnold is running!
http://www.unclephilly.com/aug03/wtfhappend.jpg

He got tired of working out!!

Yeah... we call that PHOTOSHOP. At least they could have gotten the skin tone on his head and neck to match the rest of the old mans body and make it look like he tanned his head with his body, lol

[Hasty8]

I have to say that I would certainly choose Arnold over Gary Coleman, who is also running, however I do think that only those who actually vote in the election should be allowed to vote in the recall.

[Albinonewt]

I think the Arnold candidacy is great. But I wouldn't expect him to really solve very much if he wins, the California legislature just as dirty as Davis. I've read a whole lot about the situation and it's a disgrace that argueably the most important state in the Union has been trainwrecked the way it has been.

I hope Arnold is the polarizing agent I believe him to be. They need to get someone new in there and to block the legislature from casuing any more damage and wait out the next state legisslature elections.

And my only problem with the recall is that the threshold for getting the recall going is very low. But, it's low because the bulk of Califorians didn't vote last election. had voter turnout bene higher the recall might never have happened.

[Matt_mg]

it's a disgrace that argueably the most important state in the Union has been trainwrecked the way it has been.

Republik of Kalifornia!

[shartley]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
And my only problem with the recall is that the threshold for getting the recall going is very low. But, it's low because the bulk of Califorians didn't vote last election. had voter turnout bene higher the recall might never have happened.
And I think that is the key…. Those who didn’t actually go and vote this past election.

When I first started watching all this, I kept forgetting that this is not his FIRST term in office. If it WAS, then this recall would bring serious worries for me.. but it isn’t. So folks can’t say no one gave him a chance, since this is all an ongoing problem, not one that only has had a few months for the Governor to “fix”. Davis and the entire Californian system have caused this problem…. But it is easier to target the “head” and chop it off.

But you are correct, just changing the head will not solve all the problems…. the body still exists.

I personally think though, that if you didn’t vote in the election, than you can’t complain. This is not a new problem for CA, not by a long shot. And saying “oops” maybe we should not have re-elected him, is not the answer in my opinion. Recalls should be made for gross mismanagement or crimes, when other methods have already been tried…. And the ELECTION was the correct time and place to make these corrections, not after it.

Like I said, I am not worried about this process, I just think it is not the correct way to use the system. Should Davis be out of office? I say YES, as well as a good deal of other people involved. But I think the time to have removed him was when the standard votes were cast this last election…….

As for Arnold….. He can’t do any worse. And it has already been shown that “seasoned” politicians were unable to fix the problems, so they can take THAT argument and flush it.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Army
Arnold is pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-taxes, pro-welfare, and anti-big business. He is only moderate on his fiscal policies. That he is a registered Republican, is a farce.

The only thing he and I agree on, is that he is anti-illegal alien (however, he supports amnesty for those criminal aliens already here).




Yes, keep this "non-partison" as much as possible, and I will keep it open. First "Oh Yeah butthead? Well I think..." and it's gone. Army
Pro-Abortion? Do you mean pro-choice? I don’t know a single person who is PRO-ABORTION.. but that is a typical way to warp the issues.

Pro-Gun control. So am I. ;) I think everyone should own a gun and learn how to control it. But even those who want stricter accountability and stricter laws governing gun ownership are not always “bad”. Gun control is a big issue and has a lot of different levels to it.

Pro-Taxes. So am I. That is how we get the things we need in society. The taxes are not always the problem… it is how the tax money is SPENT. ;) So, saying pro-taxes is a good way to make someone look bad, but does it MAKE them so? Not always.

Pro-Welfare. I think welfare has its place. I think it can do a great deal of good. I guess that means I am also pro-welfare? I do however think that the old style of welfare is BAD, and I am glad many places are changing that…. even though they have quite a ways to go in my opinion. But the idea of welfare is not a bad one.

Anti-Big Business….. For me, I don’t care. Big Business, Small Business, ANY business. A job is a job, and $13 an hour paid by a big business is the same as $13 paid by a small business (random amount typed). And I have been hearing nothing but how Arnold wants more jobs. Seems to me that THAT is the most important thing…. Not how big the business is that creates the jobs.

I guess what I am saying is that it is not hard to make something look like something it is not. And I do think Arnold IS a Republican…. And all parties have a wide range of members and positions… far left, left, center, right, far right.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by shartley
I guess what I am saying is that it is not hard to make something look like something it is not. And I do think Arnold IS a Republican…. And all parties have a wide range of members and positions… far left, left, center, right, far right.

Arnold is a California Republican, which is different from a Missouri Republican which is different from an Alaskan Republican.

I think Army's point was is that Arnold is not a conservative republican, he's is a liberal/moderate Republican. And he's right.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. California is a left of center state, so both of their parties skew that way.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by shartley
Anti-Big Business….. For me, I don’t care. Big Business, Small Business, ANY business. A job is a job, and $13 an hour paid by a big business is the same as $13 paid by a small business (random amount typed). And I have been hearing nothing but how Arnold wants more jobs. Seems to me that THAT is the most important thing…. Not how big the business is that creates the jobs.
This is the main point I'll pick out to disagree with.

Anyways, big business is very important. While in the strictest sense small business do also employ people you will find the quality and quantity of jobs available increase with increased big business. Big business has capital not available to smaller businesses. It can afford better benefits for their employees then small business. It can employ more skilled laborers then small business (since most small busineses aren't small Airplane manufaturers or small sattelite companies, they're convenience stores and resaurants). The importance of big business simply cannot be understated. Any place that is going to employ a couple thousand people in one complex is going to create a lot of tetiary jobs, like restaurants, convenience stores, security, grounds keepers, maintenance, etc. The economic foundation of a town with a large business is almost always that large business, just like a college town or a town with a military base.

As for Arnold's posistions, he hasn't been clear with them yet. From what we know about him we know that he does not favor regulating abortion in any way, he is for "sensible gun control (he hasn't said what that is yet though), and is for gay marriage. Those things do not a conservative make, However, that hardly means I don't think he should be governor, it just means he isn't a full blown conservative Republican, which in California is a good thing. As Bill Simon (a brilliant person who could probably do some real good) proved in the last election, being too conservative in that State is a death knell.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Albinonewt
is
This is the main point I'll pick out to disagree with.

It depends on what your definition of IS is. ;)

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by shartley

This is the main point I'll pick out to disagree with.

It depends on what your definition of IS is. ;)

^%&$^*%&*#@

Ya got me

[shartley]

:D

;)

[RoadDawg]

If arnold becomes governor of california does that mean that Hulk Hogan can be our next president? lol

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by RoadDawg
If arnold becomes governor of california does that mean that Hulk Hogan can be our next president? lol

He ran once before, he got creamed.

But sure, why not.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

:::sniff:::

does this mean no more arnold movies? :(

:::::sniff,snifff::::::

[Gumby]

Originally posted by shartley

Pro-Abortion? Do you mean pro-choice? I don’t know a single person who is PRO-ABORTION.. but that is a typical way to warp the issues.


I HAVE to say this:

Being 'Pro-Choice' is the same as being 'Pro-Abortion'. Anytime you are giving someone the right and the choice to kill a LIVING human, you are allowing it. And that is nothing but murder, no matter how you 'warp' it.

[Albinonewt]

Wait a moment Gumby, we're trying to avoid being too partisan or issue related.

[Gumby]

Ya ya, I'm not being Pro- Republican.

It just really pisses me off when the abortion issue comes up. And people are pro-abortion, or pro-choice, whatever you want to call it.

I've stated my opinion. That's all that I wanted to say.

[shartley]

Isn’t Texas a “death penalty” state? Don’t they rank as one of the leading states who execute people? Yeah, that is “murder” too I guess…. No matter how you want to wrap it.

Now…. I wonder about rape, incest, the health and welfare of the mother, verified extreme birth defects or severe mental retardation, multiple birth pregnancies that have one or more “problem” children/fetus and by aborting one or more it will save the others and/or the mother, and so many other reasons a person may consider abortion……. What EVIL murdering people. Of course it is easy to sit back when not in any of those situations, and not even being a woman and make a clear cut determination on what is right and what is wrong………………..

With that said, I do think that abortion for the sake of “convenience” is wrong. But I will not, and can not, say that abortion is wrong no matter what the circumstance…. But to each their own.

I hope this does not cause a big “problem” with folks… because let’s face it… most of us agree on many things but disagree on far more. It does not make us either “good” or “bad” people.

(sorry about the edits... messed up when adding another "reason".)

[Gumby]

No doubt that in certain circumstances abortion is needed, when the mother is in danger. I will agree with you on that one. But having an abortion just because you didn't think about the consequences of having sex is no excuse.

You can't even compare the death penalty to abortion. Killing an innocent newborn, and killing criminals convicted of serious crimes are two VERY DIFFERENT things, so don't compare the two.

And besides, were you trying to get back at me by dissing Texas? Nice try.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Gumby
No doubt that in certain circumstances abortion is needed, when the mother is in danger. I will agree with you on that one. But having an abortion just because you didn't think about the consequences of having sex is no excuse.

You can't even compare the death penalty to abortion. Killing an innocent newborn, and killing criminals convicted of serious crimes are two VERY DIFFERENT things, so don't compare the two.

And besides, were you trying to get back at me by dissing Texas? Nice try.
Then it seems we AGREE on many points. And by your own admission the abortion debate is not as cut and dry as you made it seem in your first post. ;)

And if you are being so cut and dry, killing is killing… be it of an innocent or because it is punishment. Sorry… And abortion does not kill newborns… they are not born yet. This is not debating when “life” begins, only pointing out that they are not “newborns”.

And………….. I didn’t “diss” Texas. LOL I actually am quite fond of Texas (I used to live right on the TX / OK boarder) and am a supporter if the Death Penalty. Nice try. ;);)

(Added: It seems that we are not as far off in beliefs as one might have first thought. :) )

[Gumby]

Well, I just really don't like abortion. Except in the case of danger to the mother. Rape, and Incest, those are hard to cut, but I think that they still should have the baby and give it up for adoption. Like you said, it's hard to decide when someone's life is on the line.

I do believe that fetus' are living, they feel pain, eat (if you could call it that), and exhibit all the other characteristics of living organisms. Even if you don't believe they are living when you kill them, they were still GOING to be living.

Where did you live in TX. Probably pretty close to Tyler. Oh well, it does seem that we agree more than we thought we did. But abortion is a sensitive topic with me.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Gumby


I HAVE to say this:

Being 'Pro-Choice' is the same as being 'Pro-Abortion'. Anytime you are giving someone the right and the choice to kill a LIVING human, you are allowing it. And that is nothing but murder, no matter how you 'warp' it.

Being pro-choice doesn't mean you are for abortion. You and I have the same ideas about abortion. I feel it is bad and should only be used if the life of the mother is in danger and so chooses to have it.

The difference is I am not about to tell a woman what she is going to do with her body. I do not feel that it is my right to do so. I am pro choice, for I am all for a woman’s right to choose to have an abortion or not. Let them vote and see what they want. Then go off of that.

[Miscue]

Please note that this thread is getting into sensitive topics... and may be closed if lines are crossed.

[Jack_Dubious]

Originally posted by shartley

Pro-Abortion? Do you mean pro-choice? I don’t know a single person who is PRO-ABORTION.. but that is a typical way to warp the issues.


Im Pro-Abortion!

I think the fetus should be able to be aborted up to the age of 16. :D


JDub

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Miscue
Please note that this thread is getting into sensitive topics... and may be closed if lines are crossed.

Yeah, we're screwed, this thread is totally getting closed :(

But, back to the topic at hand:

What's interesting to note is that the Bush Administration was against the recall from the beginning. It appears that Karl Rove thought it would help Bush the Republicans in the next federal election if California was still being governed by an inept Democrat. Pretty smart if you think about it, but I doubt it would make a difference in the Presidential election (although maybe in the house races). California is not likely to ever vote for a Republican President in my life time.

[Albinonewt]

Arnold is one brilliant guy

Today he recruited Warren Buffet as financial advisor. While I don't agree with a lot of Mr. Buffets theories on stimulating growth in an economy he is a long time Democrat and will really help Arnold get elected.

He's really playing this game shrewdly.

He also recruited a lot of staffers from former Governor Pete Wilson's staff. They're very talented political operatives. This is going to be very interesting.

[Albinonewt]

Warning, these columns are from conservatives:

Anne Coulter (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/ac20030814.shtml)

Brent Bozell (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brentbozell/bb20030813.shtml)

Tony Blanley (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/tonyblankley/tb20030813.shtml)

David Horowitz (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/davidhorowitz/dh20030813.shtml)

Larry Elder (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/le20030814.shtml)

Robert Novak (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030814.shtml)

[Jack_Dubious]

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