Empire Intimidator....

[manike]

I will be shooting this at the PSP Philly in X-ball with Ignition :D

This is a PROTOTYPE gun. Not sure if the parts on here will be on the final version, this is one of about 5 guns that Bob made in time to show for PSP Philly.

It's got some prototype stuff on it from the new timmy gun like the gripframe and front reg mount etc. As yet they aren't sure what eye covers or regs will be used on production guns.

The Empire logo is 3D and machined all the way through the body so there are gaps right through and you can see a lot of the ram tube. It's light! Currently about 2oz lighter than the Lasoya.

I put my bolt and ram cap on it. They are not stock items.

http://www.automags.org/~Manike/empire1.jpg

http://www.automags.org/~Manike/empire2.jpg

http://www.automags.org/~Manike/empire3.jpg

http://www.automags.org/~Manike/empire5.jpg

http://www.automags.org/~Manike/empire6.jpg

http://www.automags.org/~Manike/empire7.jpg

[wyn1370]

DAMN that looks nice
couple of questions (if you can spill the beans)
anything different internally in the front reg housing?
did you have to shorten the bolt or lengthen the bolt pin?
did anything change in the grip other than the looks (looks like snatch is part of it, no LCD and the grip is farther forward than the old style clams)?


and one more DAMN for good measures

might wanna try the o-ring trick on your tank to get the fill nipple out of the way of your palm

[manike]

>anything different internally in the front reg housing?

Yes. That's not the new front reg cap. More to come in that area ;)

>did you have to shorten the bolt or lengthen the bolt pin?

Nope.

>did anything change in the grip other than the looks (looks like snatch is part of it, no LCD and the grip is farther forward than the old style clams)?

Yes. There is to be an LCD. This is a prtotype gun and it's not all finished yet.

>and one more DAMN for good measures

:D

>might wanna try the o-ring trick on your tank to get the fill nipple out of the way of your palm.

Cheers, it doesn't bother me in play but I might try that anyway.

[wyn1370]

almost forgot
you're bringing her to shatnerball right???
I'll buy you a beer if you do

[BuddhistMonkey]

Mind if I post this link up on PBN?

[rpm07]

very nice

[covadsucks]

WOW!!!! That is amazing! I dislike the Empire logo on most items but that looks fantastic!!!!

[BuddhistMonkey]

I went ahead and posted the link to this thread on pbn, if you have a problem with it just tell me and i'll close it down...

[Paintballer1833]

that is amazing

[FalconGuy016]

very nice timmy :)

[Thordic]

Damn Simon, nice job. One of the cooler bodies I've seen on any gun since prolly the Kapp flame cocker.

[JT2002]

hrmm. might pick one of these up before an xmag. timmys seem to sell a lot quicker than x's. manike what connexions u have that u always get so hooked up? lol. btw, you never responded to my pm. oh and manike, was wondering, what part of cnc do you do?

[SlipknotX556]

y0 Simon, you best be bringing that beast to the cup, so I can tinker with that beast. If you dont, I will tinker with your Xmag, ethier way I win :D ;)

[JAM]

looks cool, I love how the grip is moved up, timmies always looked really long to me. but, cleaning paint outta the body must be pretty tough.

[robert heatwole]

thats hot!!!

[luke]

manike,
did you build the gun, if not how/why did you end up with the proto type? What's the scoop? :p

Also, don't you have some other top secret stuff in the works, you been teasing us for some time now!:D (about two years I think) ;)

[Marek]

So Bob Long is making this version of a Timmy as well as the new secret gun for Philly? Someone has been working overtime at BLAST.

[heftylefty]

holy, thats hella sweet. so thats what the hyped up timmy looks like. i like it, but whats the price tag on it? 1200-1300?

[wyn1370]

Originally posted by heftylefty
holy, thats hella sweet. so thats what the hyped up timmy looks like. i like it, but whats the price tag on it? 1200-1300?
that's not actually the hyped up timmy
that is the empire timmy body with a few of the new mods that will be comming with the hyped up timmy.
I don't think there are any pictures up of the new BOB timmy.

[GaryWV]

Being the poor highschool student I am, I doubt i'll ever be able to afford any timmy but a classic. *sigh* but I can dream, very nice indeed.

[dansim]

pirg eht ni pmuh neggirf taht rof tpecxe ecin yllaer skool


look at it in a mirror;)

[magman007]

Simon, you never seem to stop amazing me. Im assuming you designed that one as well? great mill pattern, that is the first "beautiful" timmy i have seen, all the others up to date, pale in comparison.

NICE JOB SIMON!

[thecavemankevin]

WOW!!

I kinda like how the grip is a bit further forward, but it will look far better when they come out with the LCD. That snatch looking part on the grip should go too...looks better smooth.

[Automaggin2]

Wow, looks very very nice. How much is that gonna run?

[chizle97]

ahh nice one, someone told me that empire was owned by 32degrese and 32degreese is owned by brass eagle, so if it was true it would be the first brass eagle Timmy!:D

[Automaggin2]

Originally posted by chizle97
ahh nice one, someone told me that empire was owned by 32degrese and 32degreese is owned by brass eagle, so if it was true it would be the first brass eagle Timmy!:D

WOW, completly wrong. National Paintball Supplies owns 32 degrees and Empire. Brass Eagle? :rolleyes:

[personman]

What!1/11!!!
Why?
What happened to the ManikE-mag? :(

[Ov3rmind]

Ok, Bob officially has a second good looking Timmy now (I only liked the GZs before). I just wish they'd loose the palm swell on the clammy, IMO it would flow with the gun much better. I also love how they moved the reg and the grip frame closer together, it must eliminate that horrible "long" feeling they had.

[SlipknotX556]

Originally posted by personman
What!1/11!!!
Why?
What happened to the ManikE-mag? :(


Simon has moved onto better guns. :)

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by SlipknotX556



Simon has moved onto better guns. :)
Oh man Slipknot, now you've done it.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Damn that's sexy!! **thinks to himself how that would look in a blue-black fade**

[SlipknotX556]

Originally posted by Ov3rmind

Oh man Slipknot, now you've done it.


I really dont care, Simon knows it. :D

[JT2002]

Originally posted by DiRTyBuNNy
Damn that's sexy!! **thinks to himself how that would look in a blue-black fade**
Dirtybunny thats exactly what i was thinking. well, you can have the blue xmag, and ill have the blue empire timmy, maybey we trade :D i think now im gonna hold off on teh xmag and get one of these, especially since timmys seem to go through the forums and ebay a lot quicker than x's:rolleyes: :D wheres simon? he hasnt replied in a while. simon some questions....
do you know when these will be out for sale? i really like the design

do you know about how much they might be charging for it?

Top notch work. looks like simon decided to bring the 3d milling to other guns :D

[1stdeadeye]

I got to check this out first hand yesterday at NPS. It is wicked Awesome and light!

Like I said yesterday Simon, you keep outdoing yourself! Now I need to buy the wife something nice so that I can add one of these to my arsenal. Maybe if I sell the R/T, I can convince her I need a back-up!

Seriously though! Wicked cool!!!!

Thanks for letting me handle it yesterday!!!!
(wait that doesn't sound right!;) )

[Jonneh]

Your grass looks nicer than ours :(

[SlipknotX556]

Originally posted by Jonneh
Your grass looks nicer than ours :(


Everything Simon has is nicer then everyone else's.

[JT2002]

Originally posted by SlipknotX556



Everything Simon has is nicer then everyone else's.
And thats the sad truth, at least in our eyes:D

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by SlipknotX556



Everything Simon has is nicer then everyone else's.
Oh man, how true is that (VERY true).

BTW, anyone else think it would look better without the palm swell?

[SlipknotX556]

Thats ugly you need the hump, the hump makes it pimp.

[JT2002]

hrm, i wonder, the hump might actually not look too shabby

[personman]

Hump is ugly. It looks so much better without the hump :)

[Jack & Coke]

OMG!!!

That is sick!

I love it!

[Lone Wolf2]

looka like a mini-timmy sorta.

[SIGSays]

dayum sheksy i wish i could have one...

[spydervenom]

i like humpin...i mean humps ;)

[RetroEclipseMan]

Man, that is one sweet timmy. Can't wait to see what the other new design Bob has coming out though.

[Mighty Mike]

I think the Lasoya still looks better. I just hope it's price goes down when the new Empire comes out.

[JT2002]

nah, i think this gun definitely BLOWS the lasoya out of the water. the milling on this gun is crazy, and i will be buying one of the first bunch made :D

[rdb123]

OT, but what is the "oring trick"???

Thanks

EDIT: Bye SFL!

[Automaggin2]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
I got to check this out first hand yesterday at NPS. It is wicked Awesome and light!

Like I said yesterday Simon, you keep outdoing yourself! Now I need to buy the wife something nice so that I can add one of these to my arsenal. Maybe if I sell the R/T, I can convince her I need a back-up!

Seriously though! Wicked cool!!!!

Thanks for letting me handle it yesterday!!!!
(wait that doesn't sound right!;) )

Yea Scott, I think you do need a new gun ;)

I think i need one too. But i rather have a 2k3 shocker :D its lighter

[Ov3rmind]

Another pic, courtesy of FON:

http://www.forceofnature.com/images/newspics/empire_timmy_sm.jpg

[Marek]

Are there any pics of the other timmy? The new one from Bob Long?

[dansim]

oring trick

drop an oring inbetween your tank and screw in reg and it will move the postion of the tank


and the hump is retarded

[wyn1370]

http://www.forceofnature.com/images/newspics/empire_timmy_sm.jpg
I didn't see it before, but after looking at this picture you can tell that the trigger guard will get in the way if you try running a 90 straight off the back of the torpedo reg.


and what the hells all the complaining about the hump? The hump is what gives it the unique feel.
how many of you have an emag without a ULE frame???

[Jack & Coke]

http://www.tunes.co.uk/tunes/images/thumbs/humpty_dance.jpg

[spydervenom]

i always have my macro to the side so it doesn't matter to me :)

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by wyn1370
and what the hells all the complaining about the hump? The hump is what gives it the unique feel.

It's more uncomfortable than unique for myself.

[rdb123]

Originally posted by dansim
oring trick

drop an oring inbetween your tank and screw in reg and it will move the postion of the tank...

Sorry, I'm a little slow this morning. What??? ;) Thanks hehe

-Ron

[LongDuckDong]

ugh...

"a new Timmy a new Timmy a new Timmy!!! There is gonna be a new Timmy released!!!"

New Timmy = Same gun with new milling.

Yippie....

[JT2002]

Originally posted by LongDuckDong
ugh...

"a new Timmy a new Timmy a new Timmy!!! There is gonna be a new Timmy released!!!"

New Timmy = Same gun with new milling.

Yippie....
for some part, WRONG!!:D i guess u didnt see manike's post but he said there are some different internals

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by LongDuckDong
ugh...

"a new Timmy a new Timmy a new Timmy!!! There is gonna be a new Timmy released!!!"

New Timmy = Same gun with new milling.

Yippie....
Not this time. They redesigned the reg housing and have a totally new grip frame that'll change the balance of your gun (and is also not as tall). Not to mention the new internals that manike mentioned (like JT2002 said).

So no, not just the same Timmy with a new milling pattern. This one will perform differently also.

[AlabamaMan]

you think they could put something else on it other than the torpedo reg.

[BlackVCG]

Originally posted by AlabamaMan
you think they could put something else on it other than the torpedo reg.

Yeah, like a reg. that actually works...

[JT2002]

Originally posted by BlackVCG


Yeah, like a reg. that actually works...

what are you talking about? torpedo's are one of the best regs out there now. they are very sonsistent, have great flow, and look good

[wyn1370]

Originally posted by BlackVCG


Yeah, like a reg. that actually works...
I've had more problems with my flatline than either of my torpedos. True there are better regs out there, but for a stock reg, they kick the crap out of an angel or worr reg.

[Jack & Coke]

I wonder if it's possible to jimmy-rig my air valve to my timmy?

LOL! j/k:)

[AlabamaMan]

I was baseing my previous post on more of a looks basis, than anything else. I mean honestly every timmy ever made has the same torpedo reg. If i was paying the $1600 for the shocktech timmy, or whatever the price of this thing is. I would want something that looked a little different than what comes on every other one.

[Infection5]

Originally posted by wyn1370

they kick the crap out of an angel reg.

I wouldnt say that at all. There is no way the torpedo reg is better than the angels mini reg.

[Jack & Coke]

As much as you don't believe that the Torpedo reg is not better than the Angel mini reg, how can you say the same for the opposite? (i.e. Angel mini ref better than the torpedo reg)

Do you have test results with direct comparisons between the two regs supporting your statement?

...Or are you just as biased in your belief for the Angel mini reg as wyn1370 is for the Torpedo?

[Angry Man]

All I know is that my torpedo is incredibly consistant and flows really fast. Basically a palmer stabilizer with different milling (i think....)....angel mini-regs are decent, but not nearly as nice as a torpedo. There's a reason you see torps on every timmy--the same reason you see sidewinders on all vikings....there's no reason to replace either, they're both awesome regs.

[sps16]

nice milling, although, isnt it funny that bl keeps puumping out guns that are the same, but with diff milling. dont give me that reg housing is different bull crap, bc the gun still works the same.

[WarBUCKs]

Manike.. how do I get your hookups!!! I am good for it!!!

:p

[hitech]

Originally posted by dansim
pirg eht ni pmuh neggirf taht rof tpecxe ecin yllaer skool

Everyone complained about this in the emag. Does everyone like it now that it's in a Timmy?

[magman007]

Originally posted by Angry Man
All I know is that my torpedo is incredibly consistant and flows really fast. Basically a palmer stabilizer with different milling (i think....)....angel mini-regs are decent, but not nearly as nice as a torpedo. There's a reason you see torps on every timmy--the same reason you see sidewinders on all vikings....there's no reason to replace either, they're both awesome regs.


no the reason you see sidewnders on vikings is because AKA makes the sidewinder and its cheeper to do.

Now the side winder is considered one of the best aftermarket regs, its right up there with the stab. if aka didnt make the side winder, i garauntee there would be somthing else on there.

IF the torp is so good, why isnt it on more trixes? cockers? and other high end guns alike?

the bob long reg is good, but there are better regs out there, and i agree, if i pay that much for a gun, i want a better working, nicer looking reg.

[Angry Man]

That's what I'm saying....the sidewinder is the stock viking reg, and no one replaces it, just as no one replaces the torp because it's a great reg.

[Angry Man]

Also, my torp doesn't shoot down, gets me +/-4 at the chrono usually (+/-0.5 last time) and runs co2 fine. The torp is basically a stabilizer with different milling...that's why no one replaces it.

[Marek]

Have there been any tests concerning the Torpedo reg? I am curious as well how consistent it is. It always served me well, and was cheaper than most of the other regs.

[Infection5]

Originally posted by Angry Man
That's what I'm saying....the sidewinder is the stock viking reg, and no one replaces it, just as no one replaces the torp because it's a great reg.

How many angels have you seen with out a mini reg on them.....;)

[845]

I saw this at the Philly Open. I did not notice the differnces though.

[ICOM]

This gun sure looks nice but was never a fan of a timmy. Wont shoot one unless someone handed me a free one, :)

[Angry Man]

The mini-reg and the angel are another story. The ASA coming out of the angel has metric threads so no reg other than the mini-reg will work. To replace it, you also have to replace the ASA itself, which is just more trouble and expense than it's worth. Beyond this, angels come in colors that are very hard to match, meaning that any angel with a different reg and ASA with have an unmatched reg and ASA...not great. With intimidators, the accesories are always either chrome or black (the two easiest colors to match), so it's easy to find another matching reg, yet almost no one chooses to do so. Vikings, too, are usually black, so someone could find a matching reg without much trouble, yet no one wants to replace a reg as good as the sidewinder.

Oh, and I've seen a couple pics of angels with gladiators, etc....despite the fact that changing a reg on an angel means changing the ASA too, some people see the mini-reg as such a piece of junk that they choose to replace it despite the trouble.

Oh, and the empire is allegedly very similar to a standard timmy with some of the 2k4 improvements...the 2k4 is almost totally rebuilt, but is still an intimidator and compatible with most intimidator parts.

[Dayspring]

Pics of the beast in action. And the gun too. :D

[Dayspring]

#2

[Meph]

Originally posted by Ov3rmind

Not this time. They redesigned the reg housing and have a totally new grip frame that'll change the balance of your gun (and is also not as tall). Not to mention the new internals that manike mentioned (like JT2002 said).

So no, not just the same Timmy with a new milling pattern. This one will perform differently also.


Ummmmmmm, new reg housing and a grip frame that's pushed forward. That's all I see different in both pictures and what Manike mentioned. I must've missed it in his posts, but I read all of them and I didn't see anything about new internals to the marker.

Perform different? Poppet valve with a stacked tube pneumatic-hammer/bolt connection. Perform different? I'm not seeing much of anything special about this. Sure it looks amazing, and I bet that the grip frame pushed up makes it pleanty shorter and a good balance. But besides that..... looking like just your every other Intimidator to me.

Until I see just how different, if they even are different, the internals are (not a REG housing, but actual internals) I'm sort of let down. All the hype about this for the past month about it being shorter and lighter and such. They just cut off a back chunk of body and pushed the grip frame forward. I was expecting something truely different.

But for the game on hand you're using it in Manike, good luck to you. Hopefully it performs top-notch and doesn't show the 'prototype' side! :) Have fun in Philly, and as already said if coming to Shatnerball I'll see you there.

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by Meph



Ummmmmmm, new reg housing and a grip frame that's pushed forward. That's all I see different in both pictures and what Manike mentioned. I must've missed it in his posts, but I read all of them and I didn't see anything about new internals to the marker.

Perform different? Poppet valve with a stacked tube pneumatic-hammer/bolt connection. Perform different? I'm not seeing much of anything special about this. Sure it looks amazing, and I bet that the grip frame pushed up makes it pleanty shorter and a good balance. But besides that..... looking like just your every other Intimidator to me.
Yes, these changes may make it perform better. No one said "function" differently, just perform. Remember people, this is still an Intimidator, so therefore it's still going to work like an Intimidator. I don't go around whining about the X-Mag because it's still a blowforward design.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

I still want to see one in a blue/black fade..

[Meph]

It can't fire any faster, and a reg housing isn't going to make it more consistent.

Perform better?

Yeah right! Until I shoot it myself and get amazed at it's sheer speciality..... it's just another Timmy to me.

[Angry Man]

The new reg housing will make it have less drop off and will allow the lpr to be set lower (the old single reg housing had the world's worst flow rate...two TINY little holes). The old single reg housing was also prone to spiking because of its somewhat convoluted design, as well. The new frame really will allow for a tighter and more balanced set up and the new reg housing will (hopefully) flow better and have a better design meaning lower lpr pressure, no spikes, and less drop off at high rates of fire.

Is this enough to justify buying a new timmy over an older one? Of course not, but it's a reason to buy this gun over an older timmy given the option of buying either.

Hopefully the 2k4 will have more changes, however, but the 2k2 isn't that different from a classic and it really took off, so small changes can make a big difference.

[JT2002]

so manike, any updates on these?

[manike]

http://www.empirepaintball.com/html/empiretimmy.asp

Other than that I'm sworn to secrecy, but this gun ought to have some updated internals as well. Quite a few nice improvements coming! ;)

[shartley]

Didn’t I see Batman carrying one of those when he jumped out of the Bat-mobile the other day? ;)

Seriously, nice milling. Good job.

[JT2002]

1500? eh, stop the madness! :( :D

[manike]

Yeah SHartley I knew it reminded me of something and that's it now that you mention it.

I used to have a skateboard emblazoned with the 'Bat' logo... when I was younger that is :D

JT2002, I have nothing to do with pricing! But for some reason when I design stuff it tends to turn out as expensive products, hence C&C X-mag and now Empire Timmy. I only do top of the line stuff ;) :D hehehe

That's MSRP, so I expect once it comes out they will be cheaper to get hold of...

[JT2002]

cool, no wonder theres noone on the pre order list, lol. but manike, do you know if theyre even going to continue to use that new reg housing? because on that site it looks like theyre going whith the old single regs like on all the other timmys. and dont get me wrong, that is a very sweet gun. heh, now i dont know about this or xmag :rolleyes:

[manike]

The reg on that gun is not how the finished gun will be. That was a prototype for Philly, and it didn't have all the finished parts on it.

It will have a new front reg and housing.

[JT2002]

ok cool. can you speak anything about the new internals? of what they are and what they will do?

[manike]

Not yet, sorry.

[bob87]

Also, don't you have some other top secret stuff in the works, you been teasing us for some time now! (about two years I think)

hum what is that Emag body in the midle of his sig?

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by bob87


hum what is that Emag body in the midle of his sig?

Are you kidding?

It is his custom X-Mag body, the Manike Mag. Simon (Manike) designed/created the X-Mag(the bodies at least).

[Spartan X]

Nahh, JT you want a X-Mag...

[JT2002]

heh i dont know spartan lol, the empire timmys do look real sweet

[Spartan X]

Yah but compared to a X-mag...dude that's not a choice!! LoL

[JT2002]

what do u mean, elaborate

[boomerfoxtrot]

any idea if the new Boblong guns are going to be for sale at cup??

[manike]

Originally posted by boomerfoxtrot
any idea if the new Boblong guns are going to be for sale at cup??

I believe that is the intention, but I don't know if there will be many...

[JT2002]

sorry to ressurect this manike, but do you happen to have any pics/ seen and blue faded ones?

[manike]

I've seen them in quite a few colours, but I'm not sure about that combo. I saw an orange one and a pink one though... :D

I expect it will be a colour combo though as most timmies have been available in this combo.

[Clare]

I saw an orange one and a pink one though...

Don't those belong to Mondo and Rosey of Animal Paintball?

[manike]

Originally posted by CaPoEiRa
Don't those belong to Mondo and Rosey of Animal Paintball?

Yes, exactly. :cool:

[JT2002]

So these are out for sale now or what? and manike do u know if they have the new parts?

[manike]

Originally posted by JT2002
So these are out for sale now or what? and manike do u know if they have the new parts?

Nope, not out for sale yet as far as I know, also I don't know what parts Bob is putting in them.