New Rail Need New Cosmetics!!

[AGD]

AO Design Team,

We are reworking the standard rail on the Classic and Minimag. We are going to lighten it and put some cuts on the side. We are not sure of exactly how to do the cosmetic side cuts so once again I am looking to you for help. Post your ideas and comments here!

Thanks,

AGD

Here is a pic of the side to get you started.

[Hexis]

Can we get a cad file of exactly that?

[punkcmonkiez]

heres somthing that jam made a little while back that would look pretty goodhttp://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=929028

[ZAust]

wait. is the nubbin going on the rail now? or is that just a guide on where it will. because, i dont think the nubbin would work if it were placed there.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Originally posted by ZAust
wait. is the nubbin going on the rail now? or is that just a guide on where it will. because, i dont think the nubbin would work if it were placed there.

That's not a nubbin..that's the cuts for where the sear is...haven't you ever looked at the top of an RT/eMag rail?

and btw..I'd do a rail that matches the cosmetics of the ULE bodies...just my 2 cents..

[Spray Painter]

Originally posted by DiRTyBuNNy

and btw..I'd do a rail that matches the cosmetics of the ULE bodies...just my 2 cents..

same here, make it look good with the ULE bodies

[Mighty Mike]

AGD - I give you my permission to copy the rail of the "Mighty Mag." All I ask for is a red X-valve in return.;)

[Jerhew]

definitely...
make it look great next to my ule body and i'll buy one
(the rail is the only thing i have left from my classic...everything else has been upgraded)

it's funny
we we're just talking about how the only thing that hasn't changed is the rail... and how a new look would be cool

btw i do like the way the ones that jam designed look... if you could do something like that with a classic rail... i'd buy either one

let me just say that it'd be cool to have a few different varieties...
one sleek conservative one, one with radical cuts in it (a la omega rail) and maybe a 3rd different one
that'd rock

[TAW]

Buy the Omega rail Pat. Enlarge it to use with the E-mag/RTP.

[Jerhew]

AGD - I give you my permission to copy the rail of the "Mighty Mag." All I ask for is a Red X-Valve in return.
ooh i like that one too...

looks like it's already shaping up to be a tough decision...
i guess you'll have to make slug rails now too :)

[tony3]

IMO, agd should just make the omega rails and put them on all mags, that would be cool, but I have another idea, make the rail and body 1 piece, you should do a run of guns like that, that would be cool:cool:

[muirtach]

Whichever design is chosen, I know myself and a few others would really like to see some offered with Warp ULE compatability.

[Benfica4ever]

FINALLY!!!!

I HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR WEEKS NOW

Hope it comes out good.
Any idea on how much it would be?

[magman007]

Originally posted by punkcmonkiez
heres somthing that jam made a little while back that would look pretty goodhttp://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=929028


those designs look alot like these http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93954 , which is what jam was in reference to. I dont think its fair for agd to consider ripping off detroits body rail style

[Blennidae]

I can hardly wait to see what the artistic members of AO come up with. So many members are quite talented.

[lopxtc]

How about one with a cut for the ULE warp body? :)

Aaron

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by magman007



those designs look alot like these http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93954 , which is what jam was in reference to. I dont think its fair for agd to consider ripping off detroits body rail style

Detroid didn't make the second one.

[punkcmonkiez]

i just was reffering to the teardrop milling...i didnt see that detroit actually made the one..... i wouldent want detroit to get ripped off either

[nuclear zombie]

took about 5 min to make....

[magman007]

these are detroits, i say avoid using the rail style, or the milling on them


http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=956841

[Kai]

I wanna see a rail design that fits more with the curve of the mag bodies. I actually dont care for the Detroit ones.

[Kellen_p8nt]

Hey Tom.
OK I think everyone is on the right path with this refering to Detroits amazing designs is good. BUt we run into a problem. All these fancy carves and suck only looks good with other complimenting features on the gun. LIke matching carves in a frame or body.

If AGD is going to start packaging minis/autos with a newer flashier rail. It needs to easily appeal to everyone. Saying "Look at me im sexy" but not be gaudy. I have a rail I believe detroit made a LONG time ago. I havn't seen another like it.

O believe this rail fits the bill because its smooth. The only edges on the rail are where the body attaches the rest of the rail is smoothed off and has a very sleek elegant design.

Ill go hunt up my camera and get some pictures f Patricia and her rail.

[Mag Master 04]

stop making things for like a year...give my wallet time to fatten up again...it looks WAY to scronny for my likings:p

[detroit]

yu could have us do it tom ????are new one look a lot like the pick its a lot better [email protected] here are email ?tom

[Kellen_p8nt]

okie dokie here they come

[bob87]

make it so that you can put the RT/RTP front grip on it

[Kellen_p8nt]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[nicad]

Tom:
gimme a rail just like the one you posted and I'll be happy. :)
except, why not just make one rail for both the Emag & AM/MM?
extend the front to cover the battery, and add the extra .075" thickness...
use one sear pivot type, either roller or non.
would simplify things up..

[Star_Base_CGI]

My Rail COncept. Im totaly serious here. ANy takers?

[Kai]

Originally posted by Star_Base_CGI
My Rail COncept. Im totaly serious here. ANy takers?

YOU CAN'T TREKIFY THE MAG!

[LudavicoSoldier]

My thought was to mill the side wings off the stock rail (i dont see a real need for them) and do an elongated teardrop (like the ULE bodies) the entire length of the body (not valve). Here are pics of before and after:

<img src="http://idisk.mac.com/dgreening/Public/rail.jpg">

<img src="http://idisk.mac.com/dgreening/Public/rail2.jpg">

[Star_Base_CGI]

Ateempt # 2.

[wobbles82]

Ill have my ideas up tomorrow, but for now just this. Star Base...somebody better beam you up man because everyone being abducted nowadays is just some low-life farmer, you earned it! :D

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by Star_Base_CGI
My Rail COncept. Im totaly serious here. ANy takers?

Oh hell no. You didn't...

[USAF-Flyboy with a Mag]

Originally posted by No sKiLLz


Oh hell no. You didn't...


LOL...I second that!!

[Hucklbry]

maybe instead of the words "This is not a toy......." you should put on the side "Powered by ELVES"

Just a thought to make people stop and think.

[bunkermaster10]

I think whatever the design is it SHOULD have AGD milled into the side of the rail. IMO it would look koo.

[ncsurfer00]

at least mill AGD like I did...

[Big'n slo]

Think we could get one refrence dimension on that slug?
total length? Center to center from rail bushing to front screw? Maybe...please...

[SIGSays]

you know who the ules have the milling? well you should match it so that it looks natural with each other.. so they become one...

[Darkstorm]

I am actually looking into having a customer rail done because the current one is just too short.

I want a foregrip that is a farther away from the trigger. Where the current fore grip is only makes sense for a guy in front and tight against a bunker.

I am a big guy that wanders around on a scenario field.

[Kai]

Originally posted by ncsurfer00
at least mill AGD like I did...

Hahah.

http://www.automags.org/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[JAM]

... just messin' around....

[muirtach]

JAM that's great. Almost the exact idea I was tossing around. Just mine had a bit more of a flat feel to it. Kind of like a double helix.

[gibby]

Very nice Jam...how about putting a little slant in the front too?

[Ov3rmind]

There are only two things that I think must be done to it:

1. Simple, yet sleek. An over detailed design would look very out of place.
2. Flows with the ULE.

[punkcmonkiez]

jam that thing is awsommmmmeee to say the least

[David9862]

Jam that looks great! I would buy one if it looked like that.

[Blennidae]

I think AGD needs to put JAM on the payroll. He always does great work.

[Miscue]

That's pimp, yo!

[Burphel]

Ok, not cosmetic, but how about milling in a slot for a pump rod with just a mm or so wall on the outer edge so that a person that wanted to do a pump mod could convert the rail with a Dremel rather than sending it off for an airsmith to do it?

I realize there's a limited market for pump mags, although you might be suprised how big it is, but this wouldn't affect the conventional version and make the new rails a lot more attractive for those of us with Luddite mentalities.

[shinobidice]

*looks at JAM's and cries* ... well my friend, there goes the contest...

anyways heres my idea

The AGD thing in the front would be a bubble sticker in a slightly milled oval like on the emag rail, the back curves down to allow the field strip screw to go through the rail,the curved thing that slopes down then up fades into more of a flat bump towards the agd logo. There is a teardrop milled into it (thats what the grey thing is supposed to be) Where it looks like it curves up towards the body (2nd cutaway) its supposed to look more curved/ flush looking to some extent with the body

EDIT: If one of you CAD gurus or whatever it is would like to make a 3-d rendition, it would be nice :D

[Jerhew]

jam's is awesome(as usual)
but in my opinion is the x-mag of rail concepts...
very pretty...but very expensive and time consuming to make
many compound angles...etc...lots of milling

i think something like either one of these would be more reasonable

[Cryer]

I love how the Omega rails look, and I think the new AGD rail could be loosely based on that.

You know how the Omega rails have to sets of 'wings', one set at the front and one set at the back? Well put similar wings on the back of this one, but at the top of the rail instead of the bottom.
At the front, have some small wings like what JAM shows at the bottom of the rail.
Also, the front should be angled down like the omega rail.

Sorry I cant put a pic up, I'm at a public computer right now, and mine doens't have internet access at home yet.

I think there needs to be just a little more decorative meat to them on the sides than the current rail. Sharp angles are good in this case

[Jerhew]

here's kinda more like what im thinking...
only with a "agd" laser engraved with a cooler font than i could find

[Jerhew]

gah it didnt attach...

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by Jerhew
gah it didnt attach...

doubt that'll work, it needs the z-lock

[Jerhew]

sorry if that was confusing
those are actually 2 side views of 2 different ones...
the inside of the rail wouldnt change

[rikkter]

i modeled Jam's design so. its crappy made, i didn't take my time really, but now that i have it made to the size and all that according to the picture, i can go back and make a much smoother version of it.
http://www.rikkter.com/junk/jamrail.gif
http://www.rikkter.com/junk/jamrail2.gif
http://www.rikkter.com/junk/jamrail3.gif

[Quackman71]

With my super skills with Paint (haha) I have come up with a simple yet cool looking rail (I think?)All the milling would just be side etching and a little chop off the back piece. Well ill just post the pic....

[AGD]

Jam,

You might be close to solving the warp body delema. If you can put the curve that goes in toward the centerline UNDER the area of the feed tube it will automatically clear the warp ULE body. To explain it another way, if you carve into the side of the rail you cut away the upper part of the "U" shape that the body sits in. Get it? See if you can do something with that and make everyone happy.

Thanks!

AGD

[FooTemps]

Originally posted by AGD
Jam,

You might be close to solving the warp body delema. If you can put the curve that goes in toward the centerline UNDER the area of the feed tube it will automatically clear the warp ULE body. To explain it another way, if you carve into the side of the rail you cut away the upper part of the "U" shape that the body sits in. Get it? See if you can do something with that and make everyone happy.

Thanks!

AGD

Very good point you made on JAM's rail design. The only problem is that it doesn't flow with the ule body very well, maybe some more modifications would make it flow better.

[edweird]

well pardon the intrusion but I fiddled with JAM's design to reflect what I "think" TK was thinking about.

Behold the JAM Anti-Warp ULE rail Butchery... um rail!

basicly by removing the top portions of the bowtie areas you magicly make room for the warp body sillyness that I love so much

[Darkstorm]

Is there an autocad file of the rail? I want a new rail that is much longer and it would be a nice place to start from.


Also, Why not change the "sear pin" from setting in the rail to a through rail item? Then you don't drop it and such.

[nippinout]

How much time do we have to submit an idea? I don't have time today, because I'm going to the MN state fair.

How complex can we get these things?

Deep fried Snickers and Twinkies. And a foot long, 1/3 lb corn dog. :)

[JAM]

oh yeah...

a couple thoughts..
1- it's not really the xmag of rails, it's actually made of a couple simple cuts- mainly a "diamond shaped" cross section, with a couple of the "diamond points" shaved down..

2- yeah, on the warp idea... working on it now.

man, my real job suffers whenever i get on here... ;)

[punkcmonkiez]

heres another butchery of jams awsome rail.. but without the front wing and an added tear drop to flow with the ule body better....

[JAM]

butcher-away!

...working...

[JAM]

everyone loves gel logos,

[sdsm_99]

Continuing the Butchering.

Nice work Jam.

[shinobidice]

YAY Jam's got the Bubble Sticker Idea (is sold on the rail right now;)) lol nice, i'm liking the new JamRailV2

[trevorjk]

Originally posted by edweird
well pardon the intrusion but I fiddled with JAM's design to reflect what I "think" TK was thinking about.

Behold the JAM Anti-Warp ULE rail Butchery... um rail!

basicly by removing the top portions of the bowtie areas you magicly make room for the warp body sillyness that I love so much


i like this one----hmmmm no pic oh well its the first one that jam did for the warp ule

[Mr.Orange]

Hello all,

Don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but PLEASE change your sear and pin to match the RTPro Sear and pin, so all your markers use the same sear and pin, and all the markers have the same level of tolerance for high rates of fire as your RTPro and Emag, making all your markers the best they can be!

I just get scared thinking of the higher rates of fire the XValve and RTValve allow on a standard rail with that sear able to wobble around on that lose pin... :)

James

Naples Italy

[SIGSays]

i think they do have a conversion for $300


this is jams rail.. i thought it would look better like this...

[JAM]

yeah. that would be cool (and i don't think too diffucult) to extend the rail to the end of the ULE... that would also move the foregrip up a little- maybe have 2 or three possible foregrip mounting holes to give options. that would be sweet.

[nicad]

please.. if anything, make the rail longer in the nose (ie- cover the emag battery pack)..
and discontinue one of the sear pin configurations, so that the rails and the sear pivots will be cross-compatable for AMs and Emags..

[JAM]

...

and while we're at it... somepone please make a body that's less organic.... it'll be cheaper/simpler to machine and it fits the gun better- lots and lots of people love the SFL look- someone please make this for me. ;)

[Blennidae]

Originally posted by JAM
...and while we're at it... somepone please make a body that's less organic....

I thought I was the only person who likes the more angular, less organic designs. I'd buy the body rail combo you just did.

[speeddemon]

Originally posted by RogueFactor
Been in the works for months!!!.......behold The RogueRailWhat else could you ask for in a rail?

Uhh, the price?:D :D

[gibby]

WOW! With all these choices...I can't decide! :)

Jam, I like that last SFLish design you made! All these new rails/bodies almost justifies me to make one of each! LOL! Mags are going to break my wallet, if not already...hehe.:p

[JAM]

Originally posted by gibby
WOW! With all these choices...I can't decide! :)

Jam, I like that last SFLish design you made! All these new rails/bodies almost justifies me to make one of each! LOL! Mags are going to break my wallet, if not already...hehe.:p

thanks gibby... someone make it! (nicad, detroit, AGD)... ;)

[Remington]

I agree, JAM's SFL-like design is the coolest body/rail combo! The only downside I see is that AGDE is already making new body/rail combos(Xmag bodies) so it wouldn't be logical for AGD(US) to make a body/rail combo when it has the ULE bodies(which require rails). Sorry I had to point that out but that's probably what Tom will say. If anyone has acess to a CNC mill they should definetly make JAM's design, it would make for a very custom mag! manike? ;) :D

[GatoLoco]

it should come with a slot for ule warps

[shinobidice]

I like the no-rail body combo, just wouldnt it me kind of difficult to make the stuff like the sear stay in, or even go in for that matter because of the way its held? On the e/xmag isnt the sear and stuff seated in the grip frame? That could pose a problem, unless thats gonna be an emag only body?

Anmyways, i might be totally off course there, but you need the bubble sticker ;)

[arowmic]

I'll model Jam's SFLish design. We'll see how it goes from there.

[CoFFeY[NiTrO]]

eh....

[Mr.Orange]

Hello all!

An integrated body and rail I think would be the best. Less parts and better tolerance control.

No the sear and pin are not sealed in the grip frame. you pull the body/rail off, and insert the sear into the bottom, and screw the pin through the side to secure it. I have an EXtreme body as a Mechanical marker, and it works the same as the Xmag...

James

Naples Italy

[rikkter]

modeled Jams idea.
i know the body is wide, i did the main part a little too quickly, and time i realized it, it was too late
http://www.rikkter.com/junk/jame.gif
http://www.rikkter.com/junk/jame2.gif
http://www.rikkter.com/junk/jame3.gif

[Mr.Minus]

i love all the smooth designs, especially the teardrop and stuff, but i dont like the repeated designs too much, finally some competition with the Omega rail :)

[bmexline]

i like the angled boxy look also. elegant is for drapes and flower arrangements.

[sneakyhacker420]

little sketchy, but its pretty simple


ripper-like milling and a laser engraved AGD logo

[Hexis]

Here's an offering from me. I think it would clear the Warp ULEs without issue. I styled it to match the ULEs.
It would weigh 8 ounces.

http://www.hxxl.com/~mjb/paintball/hexrail1-iso.jpg

http://www.hxxl.com/~mjb/paintball/hexrail1-views.jpg

Any suggestions?

[FooTemps]

oh wow... first you make the reverse mini sluggo idea and now this... I LIKE!

[Crimson_Turkey]

I say JAM's newest one (with the gel logo) is the most arse kicking of the all

[xatle]

how heavy will these new ule rails be?
the modified stock rail that i use right now is 97 grams (about 3.5 oz). im going to remove some more material ule style this evening but i wont have a scale to get a new weight till monday.

[Star_Base_CGI]

Viper rail

[nippinout]

ULE Versi-rail.

Accepts Automag, Minimag, SS Emag/RT Pro, sluggo, ULE vert, ULE warp left, and ULE warp right.

Rail is cut to accept warp breeches and ACE. This is for a body that I am hoping for. :D ULE body but with a warp breech. :)

EDIT: I don't know what cuts to put where. Hacked JAM's and basically wanted to submit my idea for a versitale rail.

The warp breeches is the main idea.

[JAM]

here it is again, but for a mech frame... mmmm, no batteries.

[JAM]

TIGHT cross section:

[Evil Bob]

Hex, your design won't clear the feed neck on the ULE, it needs to be cut to the same level as the screw nipple cutout on the rail, needs to be flat across that section 100%. Take a look at the Warp ULE body and you will see that the body is straight at a right angle from the nipple.

-Evil Bob

[Evil Bob]

Jam, remove the AGD logo to another part of the body and lower the detent so that it is centered on the barrel line, it's currently at the top end of the barrel and due to it's roundness, may not properly stop a ball at that location.

Now, we'd like you to make a right and left warp version of that same design :)

-Evil Bob

[gibby]

Very tight indeed Jam...dang! Talk about giving the mag a new facelift! In fact, let's keep the ideas coming! This is the kind of thing the mag needs. Fresh ideas to break that phrase..."The mag's design is old looking." Keep it up guys and gals!

But one thing...for the foregrip, would that be a gasthru? If not, you might want to give the people the chance to use it as a foregrip. But I like the fact that it's pretty flush with the trigger frame. Definitely keeps that "tight" look.

[Hexis]

Gotcha. I'll work on the issue tonight. See if I can come up with a clean solution. Frankly the abrupt cutouts just look wrong to me. I would rather have a clean body for vert ULEs and one with the cutouts for Warp.

[Evil Bob]

Yeah, I agree, something very unprofessional looking about a plunge cut. I'm having A+ do a smooth curve transition on my rail, I told them "no sharp corners", can't wait to see it.

-Evil Bob

[JAM]

Originally posted by Evil Bob
Jam, remove the AGD logo to another part of the body and lower the detent so that it is centered on the barrel line, it's currently at the top end of the barrel and due to it's roundness, may not properly stop a ball at that location.

Now, we'd like you to make a right and left warp version of that same design :)

-Evil Bob

sure...

[JAM]

actually, stretch it out a little and you could use the same body for the emag... plus the grip would be more comfortable out a little.

[JAM]

warp:

[nippinout]

Originally posted by RogueFactor
Nippin:

Already beat you to it, check page 3 of this thread:



http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=982839

Will they accept warp breeches like those found on the X-Mag?

[zyklon69]

I still think the omega rail body looks the best. I bet Tom even has an omega on his mag. :)

[Star_Base_CGI]

I Think the milling on top of Jams Body should form into a site rail. Just because there is almost anough room for a site rail there. I also think he should have a simple sqaured rail on the body to reduce milling steps. Just a flat rail with the bottom rounded in and AGD on that to.

Just my two cents worth.

[rikkter]

Originally posted by zyklon69
I still think the omega rail body looks the best. I bet Tom even has an omega on his mag. :)

i've only seen two of his mags, his xmag and a mech mag that he had at the twin tower scenario, it had a chord body and the ULT in testing, but stock rail :P

[Benfica4ever]

I VOTE FOR JAMS DESIGN!!!!!!

[rikkter]

which one lol

[Benfica4ever]

The last one, with the extended for-grip

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

get rid of the rail and just use a spacer like they do on micro mags.

[nippinout]

RogueFactor, that's the beauty of the rail! Emag/RT Pro spec tolerances, ULE, high compatability, and ready for the future!

[CaliWagon31]

see, i want a rail that will work on a mech mag, but so i can still use my VA and gas thru so it will still be tiny, the omega look nice, something like one of JAM's designs i think would be the best

[CaliWagon31]

i like these the most

[CaliWagon31]

these have versatillity for all the bodies our belloved AGD makes

[Lefty]

Wow, i have to say that i really like JAM's and Rogue's creative look at things. However, didn't this thread start by talking about a rail for the AM/MM? Will JAM's or Rogue's rails fit those? If so, when can we expect them in production?

[tony3]

I love jams design....except, i dont like the built in foregrip, it will make all guns look to much the same

[Koosh]

Remember... Tom is looking for a new RAIL designs not rail/body combo... they already have the Xmag. Although a new xmagish body that could be done in the US might save AGD some headaches...

With that said, I think they should have the Slug Rail and Slug body cut from the same peice of metal...

I mean, look at the slug body

http://store.airgun.com/agdprod/images/slug_med2.jpg

See where it just stops when it gets to the rail? Make the Slug Rail a continuation of that so the Body/rail combo would flow together more then look like two seperate pieces of metal.

[Lefty]

The only problem with that is that the slug body is a raw body that is ment to be milled in whatever design you (the buyer) want. If you make a rail to complement a raw body, you wouldn't need any design. You would leave that up to the buyer to carve his/her own. So, no, i dont like that idea. I believe the thread was started to come up with a new rail design for classic minis and classic mags. Good thoughts, but keep thinking.

Lefty

p.s. If i had any good thoughts, i would post but i'm not a good design man. I leave that up to the more creative people like ROGUE and JAM...lol(inside joke)

[Lefty]

OH OH OH, I had a creative thought...Make something lighter than the stock rail...I'm done now...lol

[Koosh]

Originally posted by Lefty
The only problem with that is that the slug body is a raw body that is ment to be milled in whatever design you (the buyer) want. If you make a rail to complement a raw body, you wouldn't need any design. You would leave that up to the buyer to carve his/her own. So, no, i dont like that idea. I believe the thread was started to come up with a new rail design for classic minis and classic mags. Good thoughts, but keep thinking.

Lefty



I was talking about the SLUG rail that AGD had mentioned in the product report, not the new rail they are looking for designs here... wrong thread to mention that in now that I think about it ;) :D

[Lefty]

lol...

[DWill]

Wow there are a lot of options...Rouges rail, detriots rails, and soon to be AGD rails. I can't decide!

[zyklon69]

.

[CoFFeY[NiTrO]]

zyklon69 - I like your design, you should definetly make it on sluggo rails if Tom doesn't use your idea or something similar.

[ZyperioN]

I want an Omega rail with the inside milled out to ULE specs.

[Hexis]

Originally posted by ZyperioN
I want an Omega rail with the inside milled out to ULE specs.

The omega rail my friend has already is milled out on the inside. I suspect they all are.

[zyklon69]

revised

[zyklon69]

last revision i promise.

[zyklon69]

I'd buy it :)

[ZyperioN]

cant we just do an Omega rail then with a dip in it to support warp-ULE's?

[TheClapp15]

I'm a huge fan of Jam's design. Make it in polished and sign me up for one.

and please hurry, I'm re-vamping my mag with a warp ULE and I need a stylin body rail.

[-=Squid=-]

I guess im just not seeing whats so great about rogues rails?

[rikkter]

Rogues design is just versatility(spelling?), but jams just look nicer

[-=Squid=-]

Originally posted by rikkter
Rogues design is just versatility(spelling?), but jams just look nicer

Whats so much more versatile than just a RTP rail...just looks likes a hollowed out RTP rail is all. Not bashing rogue or anything ;)

[aut911]

so ok, AGD wants to make a new rail. I have one question. why not get rid of the rail all together? i know about the people that are in the dark ages( like me and my classic mag) but i thought the only reason for the rail was because of the stainless bodies. And now that AGD has done away with the stainless bodies i think that there shoud be a slug and a ULE body that has a (sudorail) integrated into the body. I have no drawing but i am very verbal in my ideas. Also, i think the newest version of mag should have an air inlet similar to the classic RT in that its kind of hidden. ideas ideas.



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[Marchborne]

That's what we need, a little stretching out to keep the foregrip away from the trigger guard...very comfy. Good one, JAM.

[Edit: stupid image didn't "quote" along with the text...]


Originally posted by JAM
warp:

[Darkstorm]

Jam, I have wanted a new rail since early in the year. Your drawings are helping me get it done. It may not be what most of AO wants, but this is pretty close.

[xrancid_milkx]

Originally posted by Darkstorm
Jam, I have wanted a new rail since early in the year. Your drawings are helping me get it done. It may not be what most of AO wants, but this is pretty close.

That would be one awesome rail.

[Benfica4ever]

Your right that is a really cool looking rail.

[rkjunior303]

I really like this one, but for some reason I don't lik ehow the front squares off.. What if it came more to a point similar to the back?






http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=988197

[ZyperioN]

If darkstorms wasnt quite so long in the front i would love it

[FooTemps]

wow, that's cool darkstorm, the front end is just a little too long.

[danheneise]

http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=986978

hey jam what about mabye adding an interchangeable breech, so that you don't have to have separate bodies for warp and verticle setups? anyways i love what i'm seeing but think i would probably just go for a plain rail rather than a whole body, just a tad more customization, keep goin though guys, these are great

[CoFFeY[NiTrO]]

Thats soo cool, the only thing I would suggest is keep the forgrip compatible/nice looking with the normal forgrips too, that way players don't have to what for a whole new style of forgrips to come out.

[CaliWagon31]

if AGD made the new rail so the color matched their SS bodies, i would be the first person to get one.

[SIGSays]

Originally posted by danheneise
http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=986978

hey jam what about mabye adding an interchangeable breech, so that you don't have to have separate bodies for warp and verticle setups? anyways i love what i'm seeing but think i would probably just go for a plain rail rather than a whole body, just a tad more customization, keep goin though guys, these are great

ahhh the foregrip i seen it so many times...you stole Rogue's! ahhhh

[xrancid_milkx]

Originally posted by danheneise
http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=986978

What program do you guys use for to edit those images?

Adobe Photoshop?

[danheneise]

i dunno ask jam, i meant to quote his post but messed up a tad.

[rikkter]

has AGD come up with an new cosmetic idea to use yet?

[Benfica4ever]

Originally posted by rikkter
has AGD come up with an new cosmetic idea to use yet?
Just what i was wondeirng im sure that he is going to hold out on us for a while.

[Doobie]

I hope it comes out soon. I'm gonna build my wife, Trina (who is here on AO) a complete ULE mag a soon as my X-mag comes in. (i'm told it is at anno drool... )
This would complete the package! I need a rail for a ULE Warp body 'cause she's tired of getting shot in the hopper! :D

[xatle]

this is what i did to my stock rail. its not what i had in mind at the start but i think it turned out even better.
the scale at my work says its 80 grams(2.8 oz)

[ZAust]

Originally posted by xatle
this is what i did to my stock rail. its not what i had in mind at the start but i think it turned out even better.
the scale at my work says its 80 grams(2.8 oz)

that is really, really nice. i could totally see agd using that for all its rails. my only suggestion would be getting rid of the holes on the back. i know, they reduce the weight, but i guess they dont really flow for me.

[Warped]

YEs YES i love xatle's design. make it on all mags. its simple and elegant. and matches everything.
-sebastian

[danheneise]

yes i agree ^ but i don't really care for the 2 holes in the back either just dosen't really seem right

[Warped]

i really like the holes. lightness, and they can't be seen from the side...they seem like a cool thing to me but whatever. with or without the holes, i would most likely buy that rail :D
-sebastian

*edit* could someone somehow like shave the sides down on that rail so that it would fit a warp ule? thanks.

[TITAN]

Originally posted by danheneise
http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=986978

hey jam what about mabye adding an interchangeable breech, so that you don't have to have separate bodies for warp and verticle setups? anyways i love what i'm seeing but think i would probably just go for a plain rail rather than a whole body, just a tad more customization, keep goin though guys, these are great

I'd say that grip should be more rounded to be more comfortable... just my opinion

[magmasta1234]

yah i say make a grip like the ones on e-mags

[ZyperioN]

i say that has got to be close to the worst idea ever, why would you want something that big, unless you completely cut it out inside it would weight a ton. the biggest gripe about emags is the battery size.

[angels one]

This is an idea using JAM's design with a rail.

[angels one]

Another of just body and rail.

[edweird]

Them last ones look to much like an SFL....

[rikkter]

anyone else notice that this thread went way off topic?

[angels one]

anyone else notice that this thread went way off topic?

I guess it did. I think AGD should either incorprate the rail into the SLUG (like x-mag) or make it match the slug so you can design it to look like 1 piece.

[zyklon69]

New rail for the automag/minimag, i don't think it was aimed for the emags.

[Benfica4ever]

Originally posted by angels one
Another of just body and rail.
why wouldent you just make one body, not make a big thing like that and then another rail....

[Athius]

Originally posted by angels one
This is an idea using JAM's design with a rail.


WOW!!!!:eek:

i hope somebody start making that body and rail soon.

[Crimson_Turkey]

Although it's far fetched, I LOVE darkstorms.

[AGD]

Guys,

Thanks a TON! I am cooking up the rail now and will post pics in a new thread. Thanks to everyone who participated you are making YOUR marker!

AGD

[danheneise]

yey, this is gonna be great

[zyklon69]

No one liked my rail :(

[solidesign]

anyone have one. looking to machine some up and add some cosmetics to it.

using Solidworks

[Dueydog]

Matt

[Dueydog]

Just make it match the frame and foregrip so there are no ridges.
Matt

[hAppy]

Originally posted by xatle
this is what i did to my stock rail. its not what i had in mind at the start but i think it turned out even better.
the scale at my work says its 80 grams(2.8 oz) nice job!, needs a little curve near the other end though