Sc Village On The 10th Jan

[gibby]

Originally posted by Schnitzel
AGD doesn;t know who their dealers are anymore.

I don't think that's the main reason. From what I understand, it's because the date set was determined by a few people and the SoCal players felt like they were left out in that decision. So that contributed to the low numbers of SoCal players vs Norcal ones. To add to that, SoCal players were complaining how come AGD doesn't come over to the west coast as much as he does the east coast, and how the west coast players and dealers are trying their best to get the word out about AGD products. Then, one of the east coast dealers who's also affiliated with AGD decided he would come and would bring tons of stuff to sell at event prices. The dealers felt like they were being snuffed out again. For me, I can understand why people might be upset but I think a lot of people are missing the point of this meet in the first place...that's to go out, meet more players from our state, and play paintball. I also think there's a little bit of pride that's been hurt too.

I'm sure this issue was discussed yesterday and I might not have all the facts about why some people are pissed, but please fill me in. I highly doubt it's because AGD doesn't know its dealers out here. I can remember, not so long ago, that our Rogue won "most popular AOer" and we all know he's one of the west coast dealers.

[gibby]

You know..it's funny. A lot of people complain about the "politics" of it all, yet, you create your own. For me, that's just kind of stupid. I for one am not a "fanboy" and I am going for the pure fun of meeting and playing with people. I might not know the whole "insiders" point of view yet at the same time, nor do I want to waste my time worrying about it. For me, this whole AGD doesn't support the west coast is getting out of hand.

Dan, we both know each other and we've played many times. I've got nothing against you or anyone else who might feel like they've gotten the short end of the stick. I just feel as if so much is being made out of nothing. The idea behind this whole event is over shadowed by the drama that's been going on.

[gibby]

Originally posted by DiRTyBuNNy
There are those that are going to have fun and make friends and yadda yadda yadda...then there are people who know what is going on, have decided to be part of the problem rather than part of the solution, and are still going. I've always thougt you were the former, rather than the latter. If you think for some reason I lumped you into the wrong group then I'm sorry and I know and will admit that you and TDS do belong to the first group and that's all I'm going to say.

The only comment I will make is that I refuse to be put into a category. All I know is, I'm out to have some fun, introduce my cousin to paintball, and meet an old online friend who will also be there who is also interested in learning how to play paintball.

[Curly]

This has gotten blown way out of proportion. The meet is a way for all us californian (and other) AO'ers to get together, play some ball and have a good time. This is not a trade show. Potatoboy is coming as an AGD representative, not as an east coast dealer undercutting costs. His presence says that AGD does (for once) see a reason to come to california. But tato was originally coming for a different reason, he was not planning on selling anything at all. If anyone is so lost in their own self that they cannot make it due to whatever injustices they think have been done, then fine. Let them be that way. The rest of us will go hang out and have a good time together, thats what this forum is really about anyways.

[tsc]

The original reason Tato was coming to the meet was so he and I could have some time together.

Tato and myself were planning for this close to TWO MONTHS before the event --his coming out as an AGD rep is simply convenient for AGD.

If you want to complain that AGD is now taking notice of the west coast-just like you wanted- go ahead, have fun.

If you'd like to read this post, Tato's posts, and Curly's post and see that the west coast is finally getting AGD's attention and be happy about it, thank you.

Tato is NOT coming here to 'undercut' anyone. If the store he worked at had sent him out to be a dealer (highly unlikely) then you would have cause to complain; trying to nudge out local dealers is a low buisness tactic. Instead, he is coming out as an AGD rep-- some of you do not seem to be able to see the difference between the two.

[Potatoboy]

This is also posten in TK's announcement thread, but since this is also one of the threads with the sources of strife regarding this event, it is topical here.

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Yes, I'm am coming, and It's no secret that I will be bringing AGD product with me.

This is one of the major parts of each AO event.

I will be bringing limited quantities, far less than anyone would bring to an east coast event, and yes, I will be selling it for special event pricing.

Any and all dealers are willing to come out and sell whatever they wish. These are special event limited quantity offers that I will have, and tes, I am expecting to sell out. This is not at all going to be a regular occurance and because of such does not pose any long term threat to any of the local dealers.

I would like to think that if an east coast dealer were coming instead of an AGD rep, and he was still able to "under-cut" pricing, nothing similar would happen, so why the fuss now?

This is something that has not occured at any other AO events.

Why the assumption that I will drastically be undercutting dealers anyway? The pricing for this event has not been shared, and will not be until I am set up and selling product. No one besides myself and AGD even has any idea of what I am even bringing to the event.

As Army stated, I planned on coming out to the event myself (for personal reasons) and saw an opportunity to extend that into an official representation, mostly because I've heard all the cries about AGD ignoring the west coast. Now that some actions are being taken, there are cries of AGD coming to the west coast.

As far as undercutting prices by direct sales, RF has a line of products that are not even available for purchase from AGD, and therefore does not compete with whatever he may have brought.

If anyone has any other concerns about myself coming and having AGD product for direct event purchase, feel free to contact me and we can discuss.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Originally posted by Potatoboy
This is also posten in TK's announcement thread, but since this is also one of the threads with the sources of strife regarding this event, it is topical here.

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Yes, I'm am coming, and It's no secret that I will be bringing AGD product with me.

This is one of the major parts of each AO event.

I will be bringing limited quantities, far less than anyone would bring to an east coast event, and yes, I will be selling it for special event pricing.

Any and all dealers are willing to come out and sell whatever they wish. These are special event limited quantity offers that I will have, and tes, I am expecting to sell out. This is not at all going to be a regular occurance and because of such does not pose any long term threat to any of the local dealers.

I would like to think that if an east coast dealer were coming instead of an AGD rep, and he was still able to "under-cut" pricing, nothing similar would happen, so why the fuss now?

This is something that has not occured at any other AO events.

Why the assumption that I will drastically be undercutting dealers anyway? The pricing for this event has not been shared, and will not be until I am set up and selling product. No one besides myself and AGD even has any idea of what I am even bringing to the event.

As Army stated, I planned on coming out to the event myself (for personal reasons) and saw an opportunity to extend that into an official representation, mostly because I've heard all the cries about AGD ignoring the west coast. Now that some actions are being taken, there are cries of AGD coming to the west coast.

As far as undercutting prices by direct sales, RF has a line of products that are not even available for purchase from AGD, and therefore does not compete with whatever he may have brought.

If anyone has any other concerns about myself coming and having AGD product for direct event purchase, feel free to contact me and we can discuss.

No comment and if you want to discuss it; you talk to me.

[RoadDawg]

AGD is coming to a west coast event where no one from the West Coast is represented. If this was an east coast thing I'm sure that Tuna would be the "official" AGD person. I have nothing against tato or AGD. But they ARE undercutting the local dealers (meaning AGD) by selling items at lower then dealer costs. If dealers sell under this costs not only do they loose money but AGD gets upset at them. The fact AGD is coming out is exciting but there are West Coast people that would of been cheaper to "send" then someone from the midwest. BlackVCG or Miscue are closer and still represent AGD. The fact RF isn't going isn't the point. He couldn't go anyway due to bad timing and still recovering from Xmas bills. Much like MOST people are. It's obviuos that people are mis interpreting what is going on here. It has nothing to do with TATO. It has everything to do with the fact that by AGD underselling the Dealers at big events like this hurts the local dealers. People will wait for these events rather then going to the Local guys. For example. Would anyone buy a Xvalve for $300+ from a local dealer or would you wait til an event and buy one for $225? Better yet we all know that it's now foolish to build a custom ule mag piece by piece anymore due to the Custom ULE RT. AGD is hurting there own dealers by doing this. Stuff like this made dealers disappear during the gov't projects.
Also Tato. AGD could buy RF items off of Rogue. They already buy Barrel Socks from him. He's basically added style to the stock AGD rails. If you haven't figured it out yet RF is a AGD Dealer. He pushes AGD stuff more then most people out here. We are speaking our frusterations because we talk and no one seems to listen. We are having this event and it looks like we are getting represented but we aren't. Sure AGD is coming and your selling AGD products. The point is We are having a West Coast event and NO west coast rep could compete with AGD's "event" prices. That is undercutting the Dealers. Either way we are glad to have you and AGD out here. We are just expressing our frusterations as far as WHAT we on the outside see.

[Curly]

No prices have been released. I think you are jumping ahead of yourself. Until you see agd selling under dealer cost, do not accuse them of such. Everyone is getting too worked up about this. AGD is using tato because he was going to come no matter what. If tato was not coming then there would be no AGD rep. Its not like many of the AO-Ca guys shoot mags anyways.

Lets please try to drop this topic. Arguing about it is not going to change anything. Lets just focus on making this a fun day of paintball.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Originally posted by Curly
No prices have been released. I think you are jumping ahead of yourself. Until you see agd selling under dealer cost, do not accuse them of such. Everyone is getting too worked up about this.

Ask anyone who has been to IAO or WorldCup...why change your prices that people have already come to expect..so don't tell me people don't know what AGD's event prices are.

Originally posted by Curly
Its not like many of the AO-Ca guys shoot mags anyways.

Yeah..well...not only is that stupid...but it's completely wrong. We were actually planning on having a 5-man team of X-mags come out to NorCal just to rape you fools..

[RoadDawg]

Originally posted by Curly
No prices have been released. I think you are jumping ahead of yourself. Until you see agd selling under dealer cost, do not accuse them of such. Everyone is getting too worked up about this. AGD is using tato because he was going to come no matter what. If tato was not coming then there would be no AGD rep. Its not like many of the AO-Ca guys shoot mags anyways.

Lets please try to drop this topic. Arguing about it is not going to change anything. Lets just focus on making this a fun day of paintball.

First off I know that EVENT prices are way better then dealer prices. I know this because I've heard from people that went to other AGD sponsored events or Tournies. Don't know about the north but the SoCal crew shoots quite a bit of mags. Mag shooters out number the non mag owner in AO SoCal. Many SoCal players have more then one. Sure AGD is camelbacking Tato. AGD paid for Tato after they found out he was doing it out of pocket. Why wouldn't they send BlackVCG (oregon) or Miscue (nevada) to be the rep, I'll add both are in DRIVING distance. After all they are often time refered to as our AGD reps. We are getting worked up because we see an injustice and are calling AGD on it. Read between the lines and tell me what you see. I'll tell you what I see. I see a West Coast event with the only representation being the West Coast players and no west coast Dealers. Instead we have a Midwest Dealer undercutting our Local Dealers via AGD orders. Now tell me that isn't wrong?

[Potatoboy]

BlackVCG is in class.

Miscue isn't in a position to come out either.

I AM NOT SELLING ANY PRODUCT AS A DEALER

Besides, would you be crying bloody murder if Miscue was coming out and selling product for AGD?

I asked AGD if they were interested in supplying me product to sell at the event as their representative.

I didn't see any of your beloved West Coast dealers doing the same. It wouldn't interest them at all since they would be selling for AGD and not themselves and not making a damn dime doing it.

[Curly]

The mag comment was a joke. AGD always sees california as a lost market and I was playing into it. Sorry if I offended you guys.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Originally posted by Potatoboy
BlackVCG is in class.

Miscue isn't in a position to come out either.

I AM NOT SELLING ANY PRODUCT AS A DEALER

Besides, would you be crying bloody murder if Miscue was coming out and selling product for AGD?

I asked AGD if they were interested in supplying me product to sell at the event as their representative.

I didn't see any of your beloved West Coast dealers doing the same. It wouldn't interest them at all since they would be selling for AGD and not themselves and not making a damn dime doing it.

Well...if they didn't want to save the cash and actually swallow their pride and ask someone out here then that's their own problem. We set it up..we're putting it on...we shouldn't have to ask for representation...they can just as easily make a phone call to a dealer...it's not like they don't know who they are...come...don't come...most of us don't care...it's the games and meeting people that matter to us...

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Originally posted by Curly
The mag comment was a joke. AGD always sees california as a lost market and I was playing into it. Sorry if I offended you guys.

Hey...you're preaching to the choir my friend...but I see this current move as just something to please the direct few who show up at this event. I'd rather have AGD not send anybody and not have "event pricing" and spend the money on an Ad in APG or sponsoring a tournament here in California...that would better AGD in the eyes of Californians...not saving me five bucks on a ULT kit...