cocker valve poll

[triggerman]

whitch do you all think is the best valve. If you clicked other please spesify what you think is the best cocker valve.

[manike]

Supercharged or stock valve, many of the others aren't really worth it. You get just as good results in my opinion from springing the gun correctly. A set of springs and some time is a better investment than many new valves.

manike

[mykroft]

Manike's right on the springs. Valve-wise, I'd go with the Belsales valve.

[InfinatyBPS]

Mac-Dev Red valve...

[paintbattler]

i like the stock valves...

[liigod]

rat is the best design with its orings. i have an aka lightning but rats are cool. sandridge paintball is the ones who made the rat valve, for shocktech. Shocktech ripped em off and didnt buy enough of them so sandridge is selling em off cheap. Give them a call, they are like 20 bux.

[RaV3n_Pa1ntba||]

Red Valve best cocker valve you can get.

But why your at you you might as well go with the works.

You can get it here: http://www.vital-paintball.com/produ...alve%20Kit.htm

[MPCfox]

I think the whole valve argument is mildly useless. I doubt that because one valve is milled out a couple extra microns that it's gonna stick more gas in it. I agree with manike, springs make the most difference, as can hammer weight (in the same way as springs, holding the valve open longer to allow more air, allowing for a lower operating pressure) The whole double o-ring design thing is almost useless, air still pushes out through the valve stem into the hammer chamber. I'd go with a stainless valve (less ware damage), and any cupseal design that allows for greater flow, like the rocket or the tornado. Just my 2 cents tho.

MPCfox

[triggerman]

Thanks for everones 2 cents all you advice has helped me alot.

I have decided to go with the aka tornado valve and tungsin carbide hammer from por paintball. I know I want a stiffer spring for the hammer but do I want a lighter or stiffer spring for the valve?

thanks again for the help guys.

[manike]

Originally posted by triggerman
tungsin carbide hammer from por paintball. I know I want a stiffer spring for the hammer but do I want a lighter or stiffer spring for the valve?

Are you sure about your choice here? You don't want a stiff spring with such a heavy hammer. The WHOLE purpose of a very hammer is so that you can use a very light main spring and set your pneus lower to avoid chopping.

You may find with such a heavy hammer and open valve that your efficiency isn't so good (It's not always best to have a very free flowing valve if the bolt and spring set ups are not correct).

You MUST get a set of springs and work with them to get the best our of your gun. I'd suggest setting up with the light main spring that comes with the hammer, and then a moderate to stiff valve spring with 250-300psi beind the valve and then go through the whole tuning process to get the balance right.

manike

[triggerman]

thanks manike. air is free where i play. I have one cocker that is really good on air. This cocker is just going to tinker around with. i want to be able to rip on it hard and not break. So air efficancy isn't really a big thing for me. I don't have a stock valve and the gun is being biult piece by piece from after market parts. So which are you advising against the valve or the hammer. Either way am I correct in that you recomend a lighter spring with a heavy hammer. And a lighter spring with the valve?

[manike]

A very light spring with that hammer. Not a stiff one, was may main point. Then work with the valve springs and firing pressure (input pressure) to get a decent velocity and short dwell. That way you will have a low main spring so you can set the pneus low and not chop paint. And you will also get an efficient well set up gun.

You may get free air but running out mid game sucks. And having to que for everygame is not good either

Don't get bought into the hype of trying to run your input pressure too low. It won't give you any advantages whatsoever, in my opinion. Running at about 250-300 seems to be just perfect.

manike

[Spaceman613]

I run my cocker at about 350psi, and it works great. I use a rat valve and AKA springs. I hope to have some estimates on efficency soon. The premilinary guesses put the efficiency at "pretty darn good"...

Manike is corect about the low firing pressure, Unless done perfectly (which is difficult at best) it is worthless.

I went for higher firing pressure because i use a freak and have a very short effective barrel (tube before porting). This allows for a very short dwell and less wasted gas.

Click here to see my groovy homebuilt cocker

Have a good day