Zap Cheater Interest Thread

[Spiritchaser]

I'd have to see pics/dims bu potentially interested in one or two depending on price

[Dnomyar]

yes

interested pending price. would also like to see size reduction to fit more frames

[Dark Side]

Interested pending the price

[river031403]

After the condition we received our new 2K9 MM bodies in (non-working brand new bodies)....

,... I will never participate in a venture where PTP in involved with the QC. They just dont have the ability to do what is required.

^^^this

[p8ntbal4me]

y not call Forrest? they make parts all day and im sure if there is intrest or u give him a cut he would do it, he was always willing to make me parts in the past... that way some joe blow makes it and messes it up. For me i would want Luke or XMT to make it or forrest they have all the knowledge.... but i like the idea so im interested

After the condition we received our new 2K9 MM bodies in (non-working brand new bodies)....

,... I will never participate in a venture where PTP in involved with the QC. They just dont have the ability to do what is required.

[Patron God of Pirates]

You got a fun job like me?

I've got lots of hats. I make my living as the owner of an Candlepin Bowling Center. As a hobby I've developed a few redemption arcade games (the kind that give tickets). Sometimes I'm a graphic designer, sometimes I'm a web developer. So I guess the answer is yes, all my jobs are fun.

[Frizzle Fry]

This was done to me by a major arcade manufacturer.

You got a fun job like me?

[Patron God of Pirates]

I've heard nothing but good things about PTP. I've owned a few of their products. I did not me to infer any nefarious intent by speculating on why they might not be moving on this patent. I fully understand them, or anyone else, trying to make money on their IP. Nor do I endorse anyone trying to skate around the patent. This was done to me by a major arcade manufacturer. They signed a non-disclosure then artfully dodged my IP by applying an older technology to achieve an inferior version of the same concept.

While I'm very interested in seeing this get done, I'm not sure what I would add. I'm an artist and software guy who owns a bowling ally. Besides the fewer hands in the pot the lower the cost to consumer. The way I see this working best is AGD (platform) / PTP (hAir) / Luke (design and machining). That partnership could bring a fully pneumatic, built to purpose, electro-killer to market.

I'd gladly help to market it (all 3 parties could use a website overhaul).

[Frizzle Fry]

I wonder what the reason for squatting on the patent is. I can think of a few, but they are all rather unfortunate. They bothered to produce and sell the 2009 Micro-Mag which was just a redo of there existing Automag based marker. The demand for a purely pneumatic marker equipped with the hAir trigger has to be just as big if not bigger.

The opportunity to market it is there as well:
-"Batteries not Included"
-"Batteries are for [insert derogatory term or feminine product requiring batteries here]"

I could go on.

They're not sitting on it per se, they've licensed the technology before to other people but for whatever reason negotiations broke down or were a nonstarter with DW. The information about what happened between them was shaky at best in 2004. Forrest didn't say anything at, and the guy from DW complained a lot publicly without sharing what actually happened, but made it seem as if he didn't feel he should pay anything at all which could have severely hindered negotiations. Looking back on the few threads about it there are more holes than there is information, so it's not really worth speculation anymore.

They are very nice and very reasonable people to work with, and believe me everyone wants to put a few extra bucks in their pocket these days, and the less work involved, the better. Give them a call, or send them an email with very specific information about what you want to do.

Partner with LUKE for. He's already been in contact with them and of all the people on AO offering parts and service he clearly has the best reputation for product quality, support, and timely delivery of products. Even if he makes his own frame maybe you could pay to have the Cheaters made?

[RT Lover]

Well if this guy can't/won't do it, I'm going to send the stuff to luke if he's interested. This isn't some joe blow machinist however. Everyone know's who this guy is.

I dont c y he wouldnt. and not stepping on your guys toes just saying any old machinist is good enough imop I think with forrest he has a set up tooling fee then material but this is a lot of years ago. PTP has made some sweet stuff

[luke]

I wont make any parts until I work something out with Forrest first. I'm not sure if I want to design something myself or make the cheater...

[Tek2974]

Well if this guy can't/won't do it, I'm going to send the stuff to luke if he's interested. This isn't some joe blow machinist however. Everyone know's who this guy is.

[RT Lover]

y not call Forrest? they make parts all day and im sure if there is intrest or u give him a cut he would do it, he was always willing to make me parts in the past... that way some joe blow makes it and messes it up. For me i would want Luke or XMT to make it or forrest they have all the knowledge.... but i like the idea so im interested

[p8ntbal4me]

I wonder what the reason for squatting on the patent is. I can think of a few, but they are all rather unfortunate.

Pretty sure you have it correct right here.

[Patron God of Pirates]

I wonder what the reason for squatting on the patent is. I can think of a few, but they are all rather unfortunate. They bothered to produce and sell the 2009 Micro-Mag which was just a redo of there existing Automag based marker. The demand for a purely pneumatic marker equipped with the hAir trigger has to be just as big if not bigger.

The opportunity to market it is there as well:
-"Batteries not Included"
-"Batteries are for [insert derogatory term or feminine product requiring batteries here]"

I could go on.