Is this really the way things are with the pro level markers?

[XbeasleyX]

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My B2K4 = Absolutely no bounce. None. I'm always broke and paint isn't cheap so I guess I like it that way.

[AGD]

Well this is a big point of contention. Most pro eguns today go full auto when fired above a certain rate for a certain time. This is against industry agreed and voted on ASTM standards. Going against instustry standards opens the companies up to huge lawsuits. Since we are not in a position to take on huge lawsuits we dont produce this software and hence will never be conpetitive in the tournament world.

If you look at the ASTM votes you will find it really interesting on who was behind this and you have to ask the question why are they now making products that dont meet this standard.

AGD

[teufelhunden]

Tom, AGD won't be competitive in the tourney scene not because your guns don't ramp or bounce, they already have a bounce mode, you guys just call it hybrid. Your guns won't compete because you don't market them and hell, you don't even produce them. On top of that, the future of the 'Mag [or whatever you're gonna call it] is being left up to the hAir trigger, which, aside from being mech, goes against all the 'Mag ever was... simple and reliable. While I can't say anything about the reliability of the hAir, which I assume will be excellent like most Airgun products, it adds a level of complexity to 'Mags. Adding a system very similiar to 'Cocker pneus makes the 'Mag what it never wanted to be... complex. Well, at least that's what I'm lead to believe by every 'Cocker vs 'Mag, as the 'Cocker is "omg sooooo complex and hard!" Unless you make it unadjustable, which would defeat the purpose of it, because trigger feel is a big thing among ballers. You know as well as anyone else does, that you like your trigger different than I do, and I like it different than Army does.

[Stimulation]

Whoa, dont want to start anything, but the ball is in your court Mr. Kaye...

What can you possibly say to that?

A beauty of a post teufelhunden, a beat!

[JimmyBeam]

yes it sure is, im very interested in what he hasd to say

[GotMag?]

yeah, it is like that, and not, cause on my friends pbx vike i can walk it like over 10 with no debounce most eblades have crazy bounce, but also they might not have been bouncing cause anytime im shooting a good electro i can usually get a decent rof

[The Action Figure]

you dont need bounce to get a high ror, personally I think major tournaments series should have a capp on bps. anything above 20 is simply ridiculous. Velocity can also be spiked when some guns hit 10 bps. refs can somewhat regulate that by handheld chronos. Pros suck the freakin cheaters

[tony3]

I don't think many people are hitting 20 bps....

[AGDlover]

i really do think electros are overrated mainly bacause if ya look at my gun and the deadly wind gun they preform just as good as a electro with out haveing boards to worry bout and going in the rain. u get a mech like a few months ago i was playing in near floods and never had a problem. with turnys like i siad just 1 too many things that could go wrong that you really may not be prepaired for. i would rather go mech mainly because you know ou can't cheet and saying your going semi when they can just look and see it but on the other hand electro are usealy faster witch is sometimes better. but if you look at my theroy bout me owning a mag it puts it into some perspective

[teufelhunden]

The only [possibly] tourney level mechs are really nice 'Cockers and hAir Mags, both of which have more moving parts than most electros, save Eblades.

[ilikePB]

i swear...half of the threads on ao are about/turn into people *****ing about how people shoot fast and they dont like it, and it was better in their day and how we shouldnt shoot so fast.

Annoying, isn't it. They sound like my Grandpa"Well back in my day it wasn't like that....". Well guess what it's today not yesterday.

I don't think many people are hitting 20 bps....

Not w/o cheater boards.

[68magOwner]

I don't think many people are hitting 20 bps....

sustained...no way in hell, bu ti think you would be amazed at the # of people who can shoot 20bps in 2-3 shot bursts, while tehcnicially its not 20bps becasue its no a whole second, you know what i mean, i think if you put a 20bps cap on most markers alot of people would experience skips in streams of paint from hitting over 20bps for a few shots

[$tevo]

i was playing around with Rob's Alias from team Hustler today, the trigger was amazing. i currently own a mech mag, classic valve. i was able to rip on it, it had 0 bounce and i loved it..i guess thats why im buying it from him

[lamby]

Well this is a big point of contention. Most pro eguns today go full auto when fired above a certain rate for a certain time. This is against industry agreed and voted on ASTM standards. Going against instustry standards opens the companies up to huge lawsuits. Since we are not in a position to take on huge lawsuits we dont produce this software and hence will never be conpetitive in the tournament world.

If you look at the ASTM votes you will find it really interesting on who was behind this and you have to ask the question why are they now making products that dont meet this standard.

AGD

Tom, this sounds like it is dancing on slander .. Do you have any proof of this? If so, post the code and PROVE it to us.

I know you can make a gun ramp with the code but I do not think that most or ANY out of the box markers use ramping code.

Shot buffering is another thing... If you have shot buffering with a large buffer and a small debounce setting you can get a a runaway situation, but that is not ramping just allowing the marker to store registered trigger pulls. Hell, your own 3.2 software does this but your trigger timming was so slow that you could not get the same effect as a timmy, dm4, or eblade can do (but will most likely get banned in most tourneys under the " trigger bounce" rule.)

Dont blame being non competitive on "the other guys cheat and we dont" mentality. Try blaming your poor marketing, small market presence, slow development, terrible roll-out capabilitys, and just plain lower performance for once and fix the problems instead of complaining about the situation.

[jesseyo13]

Dont blame being non competitive on "the other guys cheat and we dont" mentality. Try blaming your poor marketing, small market presence, slow development, terrible roll-out capabilitys, and just plain lower performance for once and fix the problems instead of complaining about the situation.

ouch..I do agree that they need to fire the marketing directer at AGD though. I only see advertising here. If you come here than you are all ready a customer or have been. Go place adds were it really makes a difference like pbn, pbreview and warpig. "terrible roll-out capabilitys" you said it brother.