Did you vote for Bill Clinton?Originally Posted by CitsejaMkraDehT
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Did you vote for Bill Clinton?
......You know you want one!!
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Try not living in the past and wondering of someone voted for a president 30 years ago.
But why don't you tell us who you voted for in 92? Was it Bush or Perot? How about 96, were you all in on Bob Dole?
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He was referring to adulterers in reference to Trump so I responded in kind, are you too stupid to figure that out?
Voted for Bush. Here's a clue, I didn't vote for Bill Clinton although I don't think he did a bad job even with all the republican party crap that went on. Just like Donald J. Trump, the 45th president with all the crap that the BLUE people threw at him.
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Nobody = Mister Bucket the Bridge Troll
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Well, Clinton did balance the budget and had market growth, which Bush turned into a recession, which Obama turned around and handed a booming economy that trump trashed, that Biden turned around in fewer years.
I didn't care about the adultery, as I have no morals being a godless heathen, liberal tree-hugger, so the mere fact that Bill stepped out does not concern me. As long as they get the job done, that is the bottom line. But before you twist your panties up, Clinton is not nor ever claimed he was a saint. Yet, the republicans, who shield themselves with the moral blankets of being better, happen to point fingers at those adulterous, while clutching their pearls.
Which means what? Does adultery mean anything, or is it only useful when you can use it as a cudgel against your opponent? So, if trump did no wrong being on Epstein's plane, then neither did Trump being on Epstein's island/mansion.
The biggest difference is that fact that trump misused campaign funds, and got caught, and then went to trial where he was found guilty.
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I'm not the one championing some sort of religious high road here.
No I did not vote for Bill Clinton, wasn't anywhere old enough to vote for him.
Last edited by CitsejaMkraDehT; 11-19-2024 at 09:22 AM.
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You should really get off your soapbox. Do you live in a glass house, or are you too young to understand the reference?
Even Adam and Eve even had the original sin if you believe in the Old Testament. If you don't then IDK maybe you an atheist or agnostic at which point we have not established your morality so maybe your opinion is important only to you.
Last edited by Loguzzzzzz; 11-19-2024 at 11:07 AM.
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Don't even start with Epstein. Bill Clinton had many trips on the Lolita Express along with many others. According to YOUR news Trump was on the plane but there is no evidence that he was ever at the island. If he had been it would have been all over YOUR MSM.
If you believe that Epstein committed suicide then you are even more stupid and gullible than I thought. He was "silenced" because he knew all the dirt on some very important high level people. Donald Trump on the plane pales by comparison.
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Lol, according to my news? How about the videos of trump with Jeffrey gawking at the various women? There is no question that both people where or had been on the plane. The question is, on how much time they had spent at Epstein's dens of disrespute.
But that is problem. You believe that trump is so innocent that, though he had been associated with him that there is no way he could have possibly done anything wrong or illegal. Yet, Clinton who had never denied using the plane, HAD to have done anything and everything there and is guilty by mere association. It is the same story by both, yet you want to lock Clinton(BOTH Clintons) up without any evidence. I want to believe Bill did nothing but I am not naive enough that he is innocent. But I do know, from previous acts of evasion, that trump has more to hide, cause he hides everything.
As for the suicide/murder? Sure, it is probable that he was silenced because he had too much dirt on a bunch of people that didn't want anything to come out, But who had more to loose? Would a retired former president loose more than a British Royal, or even a presidential(at the time) candidate?
I will say that trump had nothing to do with Epstein's death, owing to the fact that trump can't keep his mouth shut and he is so damn cheap that the news would have come out. But you are naive imbecile to think that trump didn't profit more from his death than anyone in the news today.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AUDr_c2PalI
Video from 1992, before Clinton became president. Makes you wonder how one NY socialite didn't know another NY socialite?
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If you read further into their friendship, Donald Trump admitted to know him and being friends. Once the pedophile thing came up he banned him from Mar Lago.
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You're consistent I'll give you that, but it's just constant whataboutisms that have nothing to do with the original point.
The republican party as I'm sure going_home identifies with, consistently berates the "radical left" and how they are the party of values.
I honestly don't care what people say or write when they do the counter opposite of their belief system when it comes to voting or enacting policies that go against what they think they believe.
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In regards to Project 2025 you guys have shown yet again that you believe a wolf in sheep's clothes.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-vett...y?id=115993180
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/18/polit...man-cnc-digvid
https://static.project2025.org/2025_...CHAPTER-28.pdf
You guys are so gullible. As they say 'a fool and his money shall soon part' but in this case it won't just be your money.
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Lol, talk about revisionist history. Did trump distance himself from him after the last charges or was it the first charges that a certain Florida district attorney happen to dismiss because he knew all the players?
But what is even more funny is that you are wanting to cover for the man, that it is equally a stain upon you as it is for the character of Donald trump. Do I care if Clinton gets wrapped up in any charges? Not really, as I can separate the man from general politics and what he had done. Do I believe that Epstein more than likely approached the Clintons after his presidency, and wanted to shmooze with a former president for clought and anything he could get? Absolutely. Has anyone brought any accusations against Clinton in that time or in conjunction with Epstein. Nope. Again, I hope he didn't but we may never know.
So, you either have to paint trump with the same brush as Clinton for his association with Epstein or you have to face facts that trump is a felon, and that he was tried and convicted in a civil trial of sexual misconduct. All Clinton got was some oral in the Oval Office and an impeachment that increased his popularity.
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You make up this garbage as you go, everything you stated above is conjecture based on your perspective. You have no idea of any of the timelines and think you are so smart that you won't even bother to look. This makes you look foolish and just propagates your continued misinformation.
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OMG, you are absolutely fuming that you can't even come up with any retort and wave it off as if it is merely opinion.
Here is the cliff notes version:
Epstein is bad.
Epstein did bad things to people with his friends
Epstein was friends with trump and Clinton
Possibly both Clinton and Trump did bad things with Epstein
If you accuse Clinton of something bad, then you need to also say that about trump
There is no evidence either Clinton or trump did those bad things with Epstein
You cannot paint one as bad, without painting the other the same way
Trump also has done bad things to women and got convicted of that
It is a higher probability that tru.p would have done bad things, as he has shown a higher propensity of doing the same things that Epstein had done.
Logic is not conjecture. The timelines are well established in the public sphere.you just don't want to believe the possible truth to because you drank deep of the kool-aid.
Like I said, I want to believe that Clinton didn't do anything, but I will not stake anything on it. He would loose my opinion and respect for him, but also, he has no idea of who I am. I do not hold political figures as paragons, as they are just humans, and humans do stupid things.
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Now, that's funny.
As if anything posted on a message board is something other than opinion. Yours, mine, anybody's. All different, yet all valid to their holder.
Please, keep it up.
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If you deal in nothing but opinion, sure. You would be absolutely correct. Yet, there are these things called facts.
Facts are those statements that can't be (but are) refuted. While you may certainly argue established fact, you generally are looked at like you are but a fool. For example:
TK designed the first HPA systems for paintball use.
Cockers are based on the Sheridan platform.
TK hated the Xmag platform and didn't want to make them.
Now, there are statements that could be argued, and from a certain prospective are true but not necessarily. For example:
Mags don't work on co2. Unarguably, they work better on HPA, but you can make a classic valve run well on co2.
Twist lock barrels are better than ULE bodies with cocker threads.
Those are 2 true statements that can certainly be argued, either way.
Then, for the topic of these posts.
Trump is a felon. He was convicted of defrauding the state of NY.
Trump sexually abused and defamed E. Jean Carrol and was convicted of those crimes in civil cases.
Like it or not, those things really did happen. It was not a bad fever dream, it was lawfare, the deep state isn't against Trump nor was this an attempt by Biden to knock trump out of the election. Trump did illegal things and was held accountable for those actions. You can and may have an opinion of them, but that opinion doesn't make them go away.
So everything I have written is easily found and confirmed. You may not like the sources, but that doesn't mean that it didn't happen. The truth should never have a bias.
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WRONG! Not fuming at all. Actuallyat the level of BS you are willing to spew. I have learned that even "FACTS" presented to you will ignored unless it is a source that YOU deem credible.
Since you despise Donald J. Trump, the newly elected 47th president of the United States of America, I will assume that any savings you get from this administration (i.e. lower fuel costs, lower cost of living, or tax benefits savings) will be donated to a charity that helps those people that you claim Trump hates. Possibly the LGTBQ... community (maybe to help fund the sex change operations that SHOULD NOT be government funded). The ACLU is another one that comes to mind, but I'm sure have others to consider.
Don't pocket those saving as that would make you complicit.
Just a thought (high and mighty Nobody) Mr Bucket, the tattooed, pierced, fat POS!
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Well, you must insult to try and prove your superiority over anyone, which belittles any argument that you could have.WRONG! Not fuming at all. Actually
Since you despise Donald J. Trump, the newly elected 47th president of the United States of America, I will assume that any savings you get from this administration (i.e. lower fuel costs, lower cost of living, or tax benefits savings) will be donated to a charity that helps those people that you claim Trump hates. Possibly the LGTBQ... community (maybe to help fund the sex change operations that SHOULD NOT be government funded). The ACLU is another one that comes to mind, but I'm sure have others to consider.
Don't pocket those saving as that would make you complicit.
Just a thought (high and mighty Nobody) Mr Bucket, the tattooed, pierced, fat POS!
I know that no matter what source I may have, you won't believe it. That is because you have drunk deep of the propaganda.and bath in its overflow. Of course there can be nothing wrong, as the man, the candidate could do no wrong.
But let's face facts. Even though a slight majority of the people voted him in, that doesn't make him a saint. They voted for Nixon twice. I don't despise him, I just think he is an idiot, a moron, a con artist, a sex offender and the worst thing that this country could have done, again.
I won't have any extra money as trump will tank the economy yet again. Everything that he has was built by other people, literally and figuratively. Like his buildings, so is the economy. So when he goes on the tariff war(AGAIN), and deports all the people that actually play a part in the economy, what then? So you better sign up for your social security before Trump takes it away. And before you ask, no a real estate guy doesn't know economics. And you would be a fool for following a reality TV personality.
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Shi Tamajutsu Ka
Thanks for your opinion.
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And the same goes to you too
PrestonCoPaintball
rotflmfaowrong! Not fuming at all. Actually
Since you despise donald j. Trump, the newly elected 47th president of the united states of america, i will assume that any savings you get from this administration (i.e. Lower fuel costs, lower cost of living, or tax benefits savings) will be donated to a charity that helps those people that you claim trump hates. Possibly the lgtbq... Community (maybe to help fund the sex change operations that should not be government funded). The aclu is another one that comes to mind, but i'm sure have others to consider.
Don't pocket those saving as that would make you complicit.
Just a thought (high and mighty nobody) mr bucket, the tattooed, pierced, fat pos!
Shi Tamajutsu Ka
I can appreciate that you acknowledge what I've already posted. That each has an opinion valid unto themselves.
While I respect your opinion and the "fact" that you are entitled to it, the way you present it is abhorrent, confrontational and unworthy of respect.
(in my opinion)
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Well then, maybe you are but one opinion and it is the others here that don't share you presentation of opinions. I try not to berate, demean or I sult anyone, but there are times that I do stoop that low. Others here that are on your side, don't seem to have that problem. So what am I to do?
I present, not just my opinion, but the general consensus on topic. Though it may seem like it is an opinion from an opinionated man, but what do you call it when I retell an opinion on a subject matter expert? I don't site my sources, because you(everyone) won't click on them, and you will deny that any source that I might provide as highly biased and fake news(do we still use that term anymore?). And since you won't believe anything that you haven't been told to direct by your choice in your news media, how can you ever, possibly believe that someone might actually know more than you?
I like to think I am well read and know a great deal about a lot of subjects, but I don't know everything. So when someone comes off either biased against the truth or ignorant about something, what should you do? You should tell them they are wrong, provide examples of what they got wrong, provide the truth and what for an interactive discussion, pitting what you know against what is said, so everyone can learn. Yet, that doesn't happen here. I think everything that has been talked about here, doesn't belong, but it is being allowed. So be it. And when anyone challenges what you perceived as the truth, no talk happens, it is the insult and the "listen to your betters". And that doesn't fly well with me and a lot of the people that left.
So, if and when you want a more better atmosphere and good healthy discussions on whatever topic is of the hour/day, I am all for it. But that doesn't mean I wish to be talked down to by people that only seem to regurgitate what is running on foxnews, or whatever is feeding your biased and uninformed news "sound bite".
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I'll never forget when I turned 18 , yeah almost 50 years ago, I told my grandpa I registered as a Republican, the old farmer was in his 70s then, he almost flipped out.
I had no idea what the difference was at the time.
Not that I'm proud of the Republicans, they are just as crooked as the Democrats.
But I can't help but wonder what he'd think about his beloved Democrat party now, supporting the qu**rs and reprobates like they do.
Not that the Republicans aren't also I guess, they just aren't as annoyingly vocal and in your face about it, the left must silence anything other than they way they think.
On another note how about Elon buying MSLSD and having Alex Jones run it ?
That would be just hilarious
Last edited by going_home; 12-02-2024 at 07:12 PM.
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Yes, and supporting child molesters and rapists is so much better. Great jobI'll never forget when I turned 18 , yeah almost 50 years ago, I told my grandpa I registered as a Republican, the old farmer was in his 70s then, he almost flipped out.
I had no idea what the difference was at the time.
Not that I'm proud of the Republicans, they are just as crooked as the Democrats.
But I can't help but wonder what he'd think about his beloved Democrat party now, supporting the qu**rs and reprobates like they do.
Not that the Republicans aren't also I guess, they just aren't as annoyingly vocal and in your face about it, the left must silence anything other than they way they think.
On another note how about Elon buying MSLSD and having Alex Jones run it ?
That would be just hilarious
PrestonCoPaintball
He wasn't speakin to you
It was nice and quiet here ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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If going_home wants to talk privately, then he knows what a PM is.
But I thought that the republican party was all about the inclusion ,the workers, the everyday people? Guess they forgot to take down the white, male, Christian and heterosexual only sign down.
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