the dirt on the new Shocker 03

[nerobro]

Well. I saw the shocker last night. Saw it again today. I had a long talk with one of the smart parts brothers (I can't remember his name off the top of my head) I got to fondle a red and blue shocker.

Here's what I gathered from our discussion.

1. Better Efficancy. 1000 shots off a 68/45. Now this is NOT a great number. but it certianly blows the old shocker out of the water. to put this in perspective, my spyder gets 1500-1700 on the same size tank. (yes, it's completely stock internally)

2. Fewer parts. There are only about 6 parts inside the shocker, only two of which move. It's still a dump chamber design. it still runs in the 170psi range.

3. Easier maintanance. There's only two moving parts..... I think this is pretty self explanatory. It's not like the old shocker, it's only got one solinoid. My big guess is that the gun is going to be very matrix/mag like inside, with a ram at the back of the gun instead of around the sides of the bolt. We will find out when they deliver manuals.. or if I go back tomorow and really grill them on how they work ;-)

4. Shocker threads. I'd like cocker threads... but yaknow, SP is out to sell barrels.

5. Price. It's supposed to list at $750

6. Eye. The current guns have no eye on them. but they are milled and have pasages for an internal eye mount. it appears it will be a reflective sensor on theright side of the gun.

7. Open bolt. The gun IS open bolt. There were working on a closed bolt version... they couldn't get it much above 10 bps. As it stands now it's a bit above 18bps. That's respectable for a non mechanical gun. (mags, spyders, are both at 50 right now..)

8. No lpr. They are continuing to run the solinoids at line pressure. they have confidence in this...... I don't. We'll see how that works in the long run. :-)

This gun blows the old shocker out of the water. Heck, it even gives the impulse a run for it's money. (yes I hold the impulse as a much better gun than the shocker.... )

Oh yea, the nerve should be out in ~3 months.

[BajaBoy]

any info on demand? is there a preorder list like the xmag? whats that wait... Im serously thinking about buying one of these when i get the money

[nerobro]

I'll talk to the smart parts guys tomorow about it.

[GT]

Re: the dirt on the new Shocker 03

Originally posted by nerobro


This gun blows the old shocker out of the water.

no offense nero,
I have no idea why it is THAT much better than the current shocker. Its smaller, new trigger, better eff, its open bolt (if closed really makes a deff), and is supposed to be faster(I have yet to feel the "wall" on my current shocker).

SO w/o an eye, its basically an over priced impulse. Honestly the prices on the current shockers arnt bad. Pick one up and throw and OTB frame on and your set.

jb

[damageinc54]

Originally posted by BajaBoy
any info on demand? is there a preorder list like the xmag? whats that wait... Im serously thinking about buying one of these when i get the money

No pre-order list at Samrt Parts. They told me at the Chicago Open that they are in production right now and they are filling up their warehouse before they start selling them. Apparantly Smart Parts does not like the idea of players waiting 6 months for their guns like some other company does

[nerobro]

the gun is completely different from the impulse. the overpriced impulse is going to be released in 3 months. *ahem* nerve...*ahem*

It's lighter, smaller, more efficant, easier to maintain.... You tell me what ISN'T better about this gun than the last shocker? If you don't feel the wall then ROF over 11 doesn't matter to you. It DOES matter to me, and any player who can walk a trigger.

So, if you compare shocker to shocker. the new one is better in ALL respects. I think that supports my statment very well.

As for AGD not stockpileing guns.... AGD doesn't have the money to do it. (at least that's what the explanation we got from tom was) and the margin on x-mags is REALLY slim.

[GT]

Originally posted by nerobro
It's lighter, smaller, more efficant, easier to maintain.... You tell me what ISN'T better about this gun than the last shocker?

I just dont see it. Its kind like all the guys that dump thier Led angel's for LCDs. I just dont see a huge bennifit/change in performance. BTW not all shockers were limited to 11bps. My eclipse is limited to 15 bps, although eclipse calls it shots per second, sps.

Dont get me wrong it is improved but when you sit down and work the numbers.... Current shocker I think is around 350 bucks and this new one is 750. So is there really 400 bucks worth of cool stuff on this new shocker?

No trying to be a butt, however I am kind tired of the industry lacking the think tank required to produce real inovative products. I swear all of the new sp products sound like they will revolve around one common platform, the impulse, very simliar to the automotive industry.

just my opinion,
jb

[nerobro]

The old shockers are only cheap to DUMP INVENTORY. And as for $400 on new and cool stuff. Well given the gun has the same MSRP, you're definitely getting more for your money. You're getting a carved body, instead of an extruded aluminum brick. You're getting a gun that's somewhere less than half the weight. You're getting a frame that you won't need to replace imedately. You're getting a gun that runs on 9 volts instead of battery packs. I don't see the problem with pricing in comparison to the old shocker. Again, the fact that places like pbgear are trying to dump the old ones doesn't reduce the value of the new gun.

Even if you can set it to 15, the gun will only do about 12. I've never seen anyone able to reliably set shockers above 12. Even with aftermarket boards.

Anger at the industry does not change the fact that this gun is better in all respects than the last shocker. And it does not change the fact the the gun IS a new design... so it is some of that innovation you were complaining about a lack of.

Your ability to use the gun, does not change the fact it does in fact preform better. You only need a gun that's better than you.

As for not seeing the difference... would a chart help? There isn't a single thing about the new gun (it's hard to call it a shocker becuase it's utterly different from the shocker in all respects... funny how it works better too.) that's not better than the old gun. How can you not "see" the difference. Even if it is only efficancy and a better frame from theh factory.

Then again. I still wouldnt buy one. It's still not up to par with what I considder "good" guns.

If you want to turn this into a comparison thread. The gun still isn't as good a LX mag.

Your oppinoin is not based in fact. And I think you have blinders on due to owning an older shocker. Keep in mind I HATED the old shocker. This one, I can't yell and scream at people for owning. And tha'ts a drastic improvement.

[breg]

Nerobro,
Thanks man, for the info. It's what I've been waiting for for a while now. I'm looking to buy a marker here soon, after what I read, I don't think it's what I'll buy, but more info on more markers always helps. Thanks again man.

Later,

Breg

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

Originally posted by nerobro
This one, I can't yell and scream at people for owning. And tha'ts a drastic improvement.

You yell at people for owning a shocker? That's funny.

[GT]

Originally posted by nerobro
As for not seeing the difference... would a chart help? How can you not "see" the difference. Even if it is only efficancy and a better frame from theh factory.

Then again. I still wouldnt buy one. It's still not up to par with what I considder "good" guns.

If you want to turn this into a comparison thread. The gun still isn't as good a LX mag.

Your oppinoin is not based in fact. And I think you have blinders on due to owning an older shocker. Keep in mind I HATED the old shocker. This one, I can't yell and scream at people for owning. And tha'ts a drastic improvement.

Nero,
wtf crawled up your shorts? All I am saying is that I am not that impressed with the new design. My opinion is not wrong, its my opinion simple enough. Hell SP still beats thier chest about this closed bolt crap and I am very suprised if they release this marker in open bolt form. Yes I belive that a mag is better than my shocker or anything that SP puts togther, infact that is why my shocker is the "backup."

For one I think any praise is a little premature. Sure we can say the desgin is a good one but, as proven in the past, SP excutaion is always piss poor. I know you were around when the first shocker came out and the impulse. I can remember the countless threads of pissing and moaning about QC issues and "beta test" guns that seemed to be sold to the public.

Your ability to use the gun, does not change the fact it does in fact preform better. You only need a gun that's better than you.

Bro this is a pretty lame statment. If you can't play your game with a spyder/tippmann I would suggest another sport. In all honesty I wont be able to play my "A" game with a gun I am unfamiliar with but I can still play fairly well with what ever you hand me.

Anger at the industry does not change the fact that this gun is better in all respects than the last shocker. And it does not change the fact the the gun IS a new design... so it is some of that innovation you were complaining about a lack of.

I am not angry just tired of the industry taking advantage of stupid people. Look how many folks honeslty think that LCDs and IR3's are giant leeps for angel owners. Cops is cool but give me a break. Take timmy's for example, I think bob long has done a dam good job of packging the same crap with a different mill and pretty colors and all these kids eat it up. Good buisness sence.

As for not seeing the difference... would a chart help? There isn't a single thing about the new gun (it's hard to call it a shocker becuase it's utterly different from the shocker in all respects... funny how it works better too.) that's not better than the old gun

we will see if this holds true, however in the meantime no need to be a smartass. It just doesnt come off very well on AO..

jb

[DjGruv]

This gun ROCKS! If you think 750 is alot then maybe you look at the price of most tourny guns. How can anyone say the gun isn't worth it when NO ONE has one. Unless your on the All Americans. So how is the LX mag better? You can't yell at someone for owning a older shocker?? Don't you own a spyder?

Anyway you CAN preorder a shocker from hypersportworks.com

[FreshmanBob]

Re: the dirt on the new Shocker 03

Originally posted by nerobro
(mags, spyders, are both at 50 right now..)

Wait, when did this happen? I thought the most a mag could go was around 38 or 40

Are there videos or sound wave thingys to prove that?

[nerobro]

GTRsi.

The praise is for a gun that's signifigantly better than the last gun of that name. (fact) I was convinced it wasn't going to be an improvement on any front. This gun actually has numbers good enough to justify the guns existance. (opionion that can't be backed up by anything but personal prefrence) We haven't seen this kind of all around improvement on any gun.... ever. The mag has only lost efficancy. The cocker took the last 5 years to become something decent.

I dunno, what would you considder worthy of praise?

DjGruv

The LX mag is better with efficancy, and rate of fire.

Yes I own a spyder, Yes that's what I use at tournys. It also gets 1500-1700 shots off a 68/45 and cycles in 20ms. Other than being noisy what more could I ask for?

More importanly, what does that have to do with the shocker?

[nerobro]

Re: Re: the dirt on the new Shocker 03

Originally posted by FreshmanBob


Wait, when did this happen? I thought the most a mag could go was around 38 or 40

Are there videos or sound wave thingys to prove that?

Fatty striker spyders cycle in 20ms. documentation on that is in deep blue. the mag bolt finishes it's cycle in 20ms. The mag needs some time to recharge, the spyder doesn't.