New 03 Shocker vs Used Emag

[gc82000]

from what i seen at the feilds shockers are extremely problemmatic i have seen guys show up with them and spend the whole day asking to borow batteries or orings or something else to that point.go with a mag any day of the year new or used.

[Mr. Frodo]

I've been trolling around shockerowners.com to get an idea of kinds of problems that popped up the most, and from what I can tell, the new bolt solves most of the them. Despite the issues, Shocker owners have the same level of dedication when it comes to their markers as Mag owners do when tuning a Level 10 bolt. I also realize the opinions I get will be slanted towards Mags here, but that's okay. I want to hear how an Emag is so much better than the Shocker, and not just "they suck." I can get that from another forum. :)

I don't pretend to know the why everyone hates SP so much, but that doesn't mean the '03 Shocker is a bad marker. Heck, I hate Nissans, but the 350Z isn't bad, and I almost bought a G35 Coupe. Anyway, it all comes back to the marker and value. I have an F2 Illustrator that I bought new 11 years ago when I used to play all the time. I'm getting back into the game, which has changed quite a lot, and feel an upgrade is in order.

A Karta or ULE Emag with Level would be great. But like gtrsi had pointed out, used ULE Emags are hard to come by, and they keep their value. Modding a stock Emag with a ULE body (I'll leave out the Karta for now) and getting another barrel is more than a new '03 Shocker. Plus, I have to get HPA and gamble on how the previous owner had treated her. That's why I'm comparing a pre-owned stock Emag with a new '03 Shocker.

Larch: I plan on getting the marker online, but I still support my local pro shop because the guys there have been a great help. They just know that helping out a customer save money will just help themselve out in the long run.

[SanDiegoMag]

The difference IS the company. SP is not a bad marker maker, even if they are dousches. The difference is the quality. AGD has a reputation for quality, reliability, service and durability. **IMPORTANT** E-Mags can go manual if the battery dies. But they both have the single chamber design.

In conclusion, shockers and e-mags are coperable exept the manual mode, but AGD is a higher quality company.

[evan123]

Alright well all those Anti-sp people please get out of the thread.

In my opnion which means nothing a emag can be pretty darn heavy with no ULE X-Valve and other ule stuff. I didn't read most of the first reply so i don't know if you would be getting those. THe shocker has no problems chopping if you have a eggy or halo b. The halo is recomended imo. I used one on mine today and had zero chops non-vision. The shocker is fast, lighter, and just plain out more comfy without the battery pack.

Just my opionion

[Enemy]

really you need to go out and try to shoot each gun as best you can..imo the shockers feel cheap and fragile but thats cuz im used to hefty guns and then i finally got to try to walk one today and i had a big problem with the trigger guard being to small for my style then ofcoarse i walked an emag today which was easy to say the least so this comes down to if you were to buy a car would you test drive everything that you might want or just go get the first thing that jumps out at you..

[Jon/xpm]

Mr. Frodo-
Just choose which one you would be more comfrontable with...
Boths gun are great and both have good and bads things with them...
But i would not forget about other markers on the market...
viking, impulse, mech mag, etc...

[lldb003]

i would go with the 03 shocker cause they are very fast guns and light weight.. but i have never heard of usin c02 on a shocker... i bought my shocker for 1300 i got everything with it the vision eye,tank freak kit so i got a good deal.so i would go with the shocker over the e-mag only cause it is lighter and i think it is faster

[teufelhunden]

03 Shocker. Lighter, faster [none of the BPS cap crap... and yes, 4.0 isn't coming out because there's issues with the hardware], nicer trigger [imo], more efficient, and yes, you can run it on CO2, but obviously it's better with HPA

[1stdeadeye]

03 Shocker more efficient,

Bwahahahahahahaha!!! THey are ultra gas hogs!!!

[WetPaint]

I've been trolling around shockerowners.com to get an idea of kinds of problems that popped up the most, and from what I can tell, the new bolt solves most of the them.

I don't pretend to know the why everyone hates SP so much, but that doesn't mean the '03 Shocker is a bad marker. I have an F2 Illustrator that I bought new 11 years ago when I used to play all the time. I'm getting back into the game, which has changed quite a lot, and feel an upgrade is in order.

A Karta or ULE Emag with Level would be great. But like gtrsi had pointed out, used ULE Emags are hard to come by, and they keep their value. Modding a stock Emag with a ULE body (I'll leave out the Karta for now) and getting another barrel is more than a new '03 Shocker. Plus, I have to get HPA and gamble on how the previous owner had treated her. That's why I'm comparing a pre-owned stock Emag with a new '03 Shocker.

I'm in the same situation, getting back into the game, and my only semi is a F1 illustrator.
My upgrade choices are between a Karta/ULE setup. or the 03 Shocker. Both are in-line designs, which I like, but the Shocker, with an optional bolt (Why don't new ones come with the SP HE bolt??) is very efcicient, and requires NO fiddling about with springs and shims to make it work. I suppose one could even turn it into a mech marker replacing the electronics with a 3-way trigger valve..
My starting point from AGD would be a RT-ULE, which is much cheaper.. The Shocker has come disadvantages, such as price, and the need (stupid) to upgrade the bolt to make it efficient.
Aside from the adjustments, the AGD design seems to require less routine maintenance, in that you just need to shoot some oil through it occasionally. The Shocker needs to disassembled and greased religously, some say after every day of playing. Also, there are more choices in cocker barrels than Shocker-threaded ones.
Still, if I want to support my local shop, they have a selection of nealry half a dozen 03 Shockers, and zero ULE Mags.
BTW: From this thread: http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/1514/
Nbossi1 commented:
"GENTLENESS ON PAINT
Hmm, let's see, I can stick my finger in the breech, walk the trigger, and still pull back a finger when I get bored... I have yet to TRY to break paint, but I am fairly certain it won't, you know what I mean?? Let me know if you chop with yours,..."

This says it won't chop FINGERS anyway :-) The one paint breaker is a sharp ridge between the breech and the reduced diameter bore entry at the bolt O-ring. The solution here is to grind down the ridge to form a gentle ramp instead.
The only thing I can't find out about the 03 Shocker is HOW IT WORKS! The photos of the current bolt assy don't look at all like the patent drawings. These show a design that had separate bolt and valve actuators, which let it fire open bolt. The current one, from the pics, seems to only drive the bolt, which by moving forward opens the dump valve (open bolt).
This is the one single-tube Shocker deawing I found (colored to
I suppose I could just keep my F1, although, with it's heavy recoil and trigger, it gets tiring to shoot after a while.

decisions, decisions..

[teufelhunden]

Bwahahahahahahaha!!! THey are ultra gas hogs!!!

Yeah, almost as much so as Mags. But the Shocker still beats it. Plus, with his saved $100 he can get a nice bolt kit.

[1stdeadeye]

Yeah, almost as much so as Mags. But the Shocker still beats it. Plus, with his saved $100 he can get a nice bolt kit.

I don't think so. I last a lot longer with my X-mag then all the Shocker owners I play with. The Shocker is basically a copy of the Matrix and suffers the same ineffeciancy problem!

[evan123]

Finally a person here isn't completely centered up about mags.

I have shot many emgas and now own a 03 shocker. This isn't biased at all.

The shocker is just plain out lighter and smaller then the emag could ever be with x-valve and ule. The trigger may not be as walkable but none the less it is super fast with some trigger adjustments. It is a gas hog but like Tuefy said it can be fixed very easily with a new bolt kit.

[logamus]

(Why don't new ones come with the SP HE bolt??)

the paintball world is all about upgrades. you could ask the same question about why dont they all come with vision, or why dont all impys come with a tapeworm. upgrades, everyone does them.


btw, i would love to have a working F1. i loved mine so, i wish i still had it.

[the larch]

Call AGD for customer support 10 times
Call Smart Parts for customer support 10 times.
Compare results.

Perhaps you should try asking questions about the 03 shocker on the Smart parts supported "smartparts.org" website...oh, there is none.
THink about it.

There is a difference, and it is more than just the marker.

Seriously, were would paintball be right now if AGD had played the same patent games Smart Parts has?

When was the last time a Gardner came online to discuss product developments, or walk people through paintball ballistics?

Can you still get parts from Smart parts for all of the stuff they've sold?
Can you still get parts from AGD for all of the stuff they've sold?

Which company is committed to paintball and its customers. Which company is committed to itself.
Think about it.