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  • 314159
    Registered User
    • Nov 2001
    • 555

    #1

    soundclip of 30 bps blowback cycling (no paint yet)



    finally finished off the prototype of my custom board for the m3 frame in my spare time, can set the rof to whatever. here it is at 30 bps automatic.
    As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won't be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide

    sometimes I just freaking hate people. which means the next day I will love them for the sake of balance, but right now I will just concentrate on the hating. Hate hate hate. Blaaaarg! ;)

    turborev - with ai like this, if it controlled any more than a paddle, it would kill you and everyone you care about. ;)
  • BajaBoy
    Registered User
    • Jun 2002
    • 2158

    #2
    sounds like u needed to re cock is a couple of times lol
    RT
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    • Butterfingers
      PhD in Automagology
      • Jan 2001
      • 2263

      #3
      What airsystem are you using with that?

      It seems like its just freecycling until it dosent cock back anymore.
      Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags

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      • shartley
        paintball player
        • Mar 2001
        • 9169

        #4
        Originally posted by Butterfingers
        What airsystem are you using with that?

        It seems like its just freecycling until it dosent cock back anymore.
        My thoughts exactly. And why does it need to be cocked every time? Does this indicate a problem? I know it would to me..... cock ONCE before a game, not after every burst of shots.

        I am interested to hear the response. I don't like getting the wrong impression, and as it stands, THAT is the impression I get.....

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        • 314159
          Registered User
          • Nov 2001
          • 555

          #5
          the hammer is going all the way back, it just sticks sometimes on the sear. keep in mind that the frame is being used with a marker that it was not designed for. i need to give the sear some loving.

          i would complain, but rember the fact that the sound you hear is comming from $150 in parts. hehehehehe
          As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won't be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide

          sometimes I just freaking hate people. which means the next day I will love them for the sake of balance, but right now I will just concentrate on the hating. Hate hate hate. Blaaaarg! ;)

          turborev - with ai like this, if it controlled any more than a paddle, it would kill you and everyone you care about. ;)

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          • shartley
            paintball player
            • Mar 2001
            • 9169

            #6
            Originally posted by 314159
            the hammer is going all the way back, it just sticks sometimes on the sear. keep in mind that the frame is being used with a marker that it was not designed for. i need to give the sear some loving.

            i would complain, but rember the fact that the sound you hear is comming from $150 in parts. hehehehehe

            www.ShartleyCustoms.com
            Custom Paintball Products and Accessories
            CLICK HERE to Check out our PDU SERIES GEAR!


            its more like a paper cut that has primadonna's yelling murder... - Glickman

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            • Evil Emperor
              CEO of Evil Empire Inc.
              • Jan 2002
              • 134

              #7
              Im guessing consistency is out the door.
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              • Patron God of Pirates
                ~pgop1.0
                • Apr 2002
                • 1196

                #8
                Your velocity must be through the roof to produce sufficient blowback for 30cps. Correct me if I'm wrong since all I have to go by is experience.

                Every blowback I've used does that partial cocking thing if you put two shots to close together. And that is with me pulling manual. What is your air supply? What does the gun chrono firing one shot at that setting?

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                • 314159
                  Registered User
                  • Nov 2001
                  • 555

                  #9
                  Originally posted by shartley
                  even though the marker does have a couple bugs, the sear is catching the bolt every time after you hear a pop, there is enough time delay between catches to chamber a ball based on the data that the racegun folk are using for load times. i am not reaching these speeds using perfect condition markers, or even high end equiepment...

                  Originally posted by shartley
                  i have recieved a couple pm's, and a couple responses in the 40bps blowback thread of people telling me to keep them posted on the current progress of my project. you are dammed if you do, and dammed if you don't i guess.

                  Originally posted by shartley
                  the marker does catch the sear after every pop you hear, it is verry functional. the marker just has a bug, i could easily fix this by going with a new marker, but i would prefer to use the old rental pirahna and dragun black that i am currently using. i think that by dooing a little work on the sear, i can resolve the problems that you are hearing right now.



                  Originally posted by shartley
                  yay, flame on, some people might have a 40hr a week job, school, a personal life, and might just be dooing this in thier spare time as a side project that is not a first priority, at their expense, and is probally not going to profit from this.

                  Originally posted by shartley

                  Sorry, when you can post a video or sound clip of a properly working marker shooting at those speeds (sustained), I personally will LOVE seeing them (I like anything that pushes limits). But until then I just sit back and shake my head wondering why I even bothered looking.
                  rar, flame on, glad i could have wasted a small chunk of your life, no refunds, door is to your left.
                  As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won't be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide

                  sometimes I just freaking hate people. which means the next day I will love them for the sake of balance, but right now I will just concentrate on the hating. Hate hate hate. Blaaaarg! ;)

                  turborev - with ai like this, if it controlled any more than a paddle, it would kill you and everyone you care about. ;)

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                  • 314159
                    Registered User
                    • Nov 2001
                    • 555

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Patron God of Pirates
                    Your velocity must be through the roof to produce sufficient blowback for 30cps. Correct me if I'm wrong since all I have to go by is experience.
                    it was chronoed at badlandz 2 weeks ago at 300fps with some paint.

                    Originally posted by Patron God of Pirates
                    Every blowback I've used does that partial cocking thing if you put two shots to close together. And that is with me pulling manual. What is your air supply? What does the gun chrono firing one shot at that setting?
                    it is fully cocking every cycle, the burping noise is not the marker running out of gas, not the hammer skipping over the sear, it is cycling completley every time. the sear needs a little filing/polishing to make it fit right, i am just a little nervous dooing this unless i have a spare laying around.

                    i guess that the significant point that i am trying to make is this is not being done from a $1000 emag w/ a $200 emagnum board.... this is being done with what is regarded as some of the crapiest equipmant around, and i feel that itself is significant. this was done with a $130 m3 frame (could have gone with the $80 plastic led), $20 bucks in parts, and a old dragun black (not the black dragun) which was obtained at no cost to me, and also a rental pirahna that was used for 2 years as a rental gun that was also free.
                    As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won't be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide

                    sometimes I just freaking hate people. which means the next day I will love them for the sake of balance, but right now I will just concentrate on the hating. Hate hate hate. Blaaaarg! ;)

                    turborev - with ai like this, if it controlled any more than a paddle, it would kill you and everyone you care about. ;)

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                    • 314159
                      Registered User
                      • Nov 2001
                      • 555

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Evil Emperor
                      Im guessing consistency is out the door.
                      it all depends on the air source that you feed the marker with, the marker was fairly consistant at badlandz 2 weeks ago, powered by an air america armageddon tank, firing some cheap paint. consistancy could be improved by using better paint, and a matched bore barrel. but at high rof, i could tolerate a little inconsistancy because it would lend itself to a nice spread.
                      As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won't be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide

                      sometimes I just freaking hate people. which means the next day I will love them for the sake of balance, but right now I will just concentrate on the hating. Hate hate hate. Blaaaarg! ;)

                      turborev - with ai like this, if it controlled any more than a paddle, it would kill you and everyone you care about. ;)

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                      • shartley
                        paintball player
                        • Mar 2001
                        • 9169

                        #12
                        yay, flame on, some people might have a 40hr a week job, school, a personal life, and might just be dooing this in thier spare time as a side project that is not a first priority, at their expense, and is probally not going to profit from this.
                        rar, flame on, glad i could have wasted a small chunk of your life, no refunds, door is to your left.

                        www.ShartleyCustoms.com
                        Custom Paintball Products and Accessories
                        CLICK HERE to Check out our PDU SERIES GEAR!


                        its more like a paper cut that has primadonna's yelling murder... - Glickman

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                        • 314159
                          Registered User
                          • Nov 2001
                          • 555

                          #13
                          the gun does not need to be recocked after the bursts you hear, the gun is in the cocked position!!!

                          this was only indended to be a proof of concept model, not a product, it was created to prove a point, it proved that a blowback could cycle at 30 bps, cycling and feeding should come shortly.
                          As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won't be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide

                          sometimes I just freaking hate people. which means the next day I will love them for the sake of balance, but right now I will just concentrate on the hating. Hate hate hate. Blaaaarg! ;)

                          turborev - with ai like this, if it controlled any more than a paddle, it would kill you and everyone you care about. ;)

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                          • beam
                            The end.
                            • May 2001
                            • 2036

                            #14
                            ***Edited****

                            The project is lookin good 314159!
                            Last edited by beam; 08-15-2002, 09:02 PM.
                            <---Should be banned for circumventing the cuss filter.

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                            • Butterfingers
                              PhD in Automagology
                              • Jan 2001
                              • 2263

                              #15
                              What kind of mechanism do you propose to feed the thing? Because I want one of those too.
                              Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags

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