An Interesting Thought on how to Control the ROF with Cheater Boards

[AGD]

AO,

There has been much debate of late on how to regulate the cheating going on with aftermarket boards for electros. Many proposals have been put forth but none seem to fit the bill.

I have an idea to throw in the mix. Have a "standard" e-gun with a short / light trigger pull equivalent to how most guns are setup. This gun would be controlled by the refs or tournament organizer and has known, validated legal software in it. Players before the event, or maybe after a particular game, would shoot this particular marker over a speed crono and record their highest FOR REAL BPS rating. This would get recorded on paper somewhere.

While on the field simple sound recordings could profile the max shots per second and give a readout of the firing rate in real time. If the player is found to be shooting past their pre-tested limit they forfeit the game.

This seems to be a no bones about it method to put a clamp on whats actually happening on the field. Since Diablo spent 100k to get the radio cronos to display on the scoreboard this shouldn't be much of a trick. I think you will find that the reality is no one can shoot past 15 so anyone above that would be automatically suspect.

Your thoughts?

AGD

[magman007]

tom, why not just include bluetooth technology into electros, and make it mandatory for electros to have a board with the technology incorporated, then have the blue tooth record max bps reached ingame, and sent to a central computer for evaluation in correlation with the chrono readings?

[Big_Chops]

i think that this is an awsome idea.hopefully somebody will take action

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

How easy is it going to be to get everyone to use the same type of marker? Maybe have one compony in charge of electronics for all guns that the manufacturers go to with their guns so that all triggers are same? Just seems like that wouldn't work either.

[Bad_Dog]

and during the game, while taking recordings to tell if the players are cheating, how do you tell one player's shots from another? You'll end up with players saying "they recorded someone else"...?

[stealth assassin]

This is off the wall, but why not let them shoot as fast as they want, no limit; only limit the paint ( so many pods )When your out of paint, your out of paint.

[Miscue]

Seems like a 15bps ROF cap to me... except much more involved.

Electronically prevent from people to go above 75mph, or instead chase them with cop cars and radar guns instead of preventing the problem to begin with.

[Steelrat]

I dont think it will work. The trigger setup and "feel" on the various guns are different enough that a person may be able to shoot well on one, but not on another. I also think it may be a bit harsh to forfeit the game just because you may have managed to shoot faster than you did before the game. Heck, I have games where I shoot great, then the next game i cant hit the same ROF. Just too many variables involved.

[1stdeadeye]

How hard would it be to standardize all of the boards? If it is a huge capital cost, why woud other manufacturers go along with it?

[RRfireblade]

Re: An Interesting Thought on how to Control the ROF with Cheater Boards

Originally posted by AGD
AO,


I have an idea to throw in the mix. Have a "standard" e-gun with a short / light trigger pull equivalent to how most guns are setup. This gun would be controlled by the refs or tournament organizer and has known, validated legal software in it. Players before the event, or maybe after a particular game, would shoot this particular marker over a speed crono and record their highest FOR REAL BPS rating. This would get recorded on paper somewhere.

While on the field simple sound recordings could profile the max shots per second and give a readout of the firing rate in real time. If the player is found to be shooting past their pre-tested limit they forfeit the game.


AGD

I don't like it.

A) People will just argue that they are "used" to their gun therefore able to shoot it faster.Also,for instance,poeple always say I shoot way faster during a game which could be true based on being amped up on adrenalin.('course,maybe not.)

And #2- This just opens the door for cheater boards that simply make it much easier to hit the established "dial in" speed.For instance,you "dial in" on the test gun,in total concentration,trying your hardest to hit a max bps,then set the cap on your gun to that and allow the "chaeter" board to do the rest.Basically legitmizing a "turbo" or capped full auto setting.

My thoughts,
Jay.

[p8ntball72]

what ever happend to a single trigger frame?
its kinda hard to fan,walk,or piano a single trigger with trigger gaurd.
the only reason anyone ever thought of the double frame in the first place was to increase the ROF anyway.

new rule for 2004 single trigger frames with trigger gaurd only.

[wobbles82]

TK, it sounds like a good idea at first, but there would be way to much complaining. Everyone has preferences, and this would be a battle.

If I may propose this, what tournies are we talking about exactly? I mean I dont want to sound like I know everything, but in Miami, they DID a great job IMO of taking care of this. Sure guns with WAS have debounce, but you have to lock the board, and if you lock the board, and they dont like how the trigger is set, well..your SOL for that game unless ya have a backup. E-Cockers also, they were checking backblocks and debounce, I never thought they would do this.

Im just saying, maybe it is a problem in some tournaments, I know it is in PSP, but as for NPPL, they have been good, heck I would even say too good, downright annoying! If we want to find a real solution, number one, PSP needs better refs! I was tackled by a guy in NPPL, turned out it was a bad, very bad call, but heck, I remember it. At PSP, ive seen multiple headshots off the break especially in 10 man go unnoticed, something to be desired in reffing is always to find the cheaters, and now they must worry about two things so they are practically lost. Maybe if they didnt hire the people sleeping in the park for the Philly event the refs wouldnt be so bad. And lots of tournys are like this, so maybe, just maybe, if their was a standard set of rules on how to check triggers and make sure boards are locked, and having dedicated refs that arent just plain stupid, then maybe just maybe this problem can be eliminated.

Finally, I think we should calm down A BIT about this subject. It is slowly being fazed out IMO, and heck, every gun is capable of cheating. One time my RT-PRO, during a game, just started to lose control of the sear, at a low input. I pulled myself, but heck, not one ref noticed the full auto. We must understand this sport is quickly turning to speed, X-Ball is a prime example. The fast players play, they run fast, they hit fast, and they shoot fast. This is how the game is going to be, the question is will our machine guns exceed us in time? Prolly..

[JesseB]

or take the people that care about stuff like this and make a league. And let the big boys fling as much paint as fast as they want.

A ROF cap is ridiculous half the fun is flinging more paint faster than the other team...

[tony3]

I agree with Jesse, the only way to beat cheaters is to beat them at their own game

[decimator4]

Well, I could be wrong, but wouldn't the adrenaline of play make u shoot faster on the feild?